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    Caution;  Merge;  Workers Ahead! mountain lion sightings

    From time to time, i read posts about seeing a mountain Lion. I am challenging all those that actually saw one to step forward with more detail on what they saw. I will be honest, I dont like biking alone, or in a remote area due to fear of them. I know the chances are remote, and I know that they dont consider me prey, however the fear is there. A couple weeks ago, there was a sighting in Sullivan Canyon in Santa Monica Mtns. WHo saw the lion? Please come forward with more description(not the friend that post it, but the actual person who saw it) as I still think it was a bobcat or other animal. Its so rare to see one, that i doubt those that did. If anyone has actually saw one, and not 3rd party sightings, please step forward so we can discuss this in more detail. At the end of the day, I want to make sure that the sighting was genuine. Mtn Lions are very smart, if they are spotted, its because they want you to see them, or they are just comfortable around humans, which bothers me.

    I know for a fact, that I have been watched by them from a distance. That is unavoidable, however, seeing them is different. They are very good at cloaking. Thanks for bringing this to the table, as I want this to be clear to those that dont like to bike and hike afraid.

    I am sure you ask, who gives a crap, they are there, nothing you can do about it, like dying, and this proves no point. I would feel very comfortable if I could prove that some of these sightings, like the one a couple a weeks ago was not a mtn lion, especially P1.

    Its funny, I bike with my knife at the ready, knowing it will serve no purpose if I am under attack as I will probably be surprised from behind, and most likely get knocked out. I still do carry it anyway. Does anyone have any other ideas to prevent attacks or have at the ready to defend yourself?

    I do agree with one submission, if we do get attacked in the rare circumstance, it would be by an adolescent lion, which I hope is fairly young and can be stopped.

    Later. Off to the canyon for a spin in peace and happiness. On a funny note, one day, I was coming down the canyon and almost got hit by a giant deer. That would hurt, it was huge. The sad thing is when there are deer, there are lions!

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    I have been biking in these parts, San Gabriels and Verdugos primarily, for a number of years. I have seen bobcats, deer, snakes, rabbits, lizzards, hawks, and various other critters. I have never seen a mountain lion. I have, however, seen direct evidence of mountain lions. I regularly see kitty tracks in the San Gabs that are much too large to be bobcats. I've also seen large pieces of deer carcas, such as lower hind legs, that could only be remnants of a cougar chow fest. So they are out there for sure, though well hidden.

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    There was a documented mountain lion attack where a couple used a ball point pen to fight off a mountain lion....they actually stabbed it in the eye.....they both survived.....I think carrying a knife at least you gives you a fighting chance.......

    I always wanted to carry one but the knife rules in California are complicated...... county parks, state parks, national forrests, they all have diffrent rules I think......

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    Mountain Lion Sighting

    Several years ago, I was fortunate to see a mountain lion in Marshall Canyon. If you are familiar with the area, I was near the Equestrian Staging Area. This is a large flat area qa couple of miles from the trailhead When you reach the end of the flat, you typically take a hard right to continue on towards the upper reaches of the trail..
    This is where the encounter occurred, we had several seconds to size each other up. The two guys I was riding with came around the corner and caught a glimpse of the cat (I would estimate to be at least 8-9 ft long head to tail)as he jumped to a concrete scrabble pile some 15 feet below the trail.

    We continued our ride that day warning hikers and riders that there was a mountain lion in the area.

    I feel very lucky to have seen such a awesome looking animal.
    I have seen bobcats...I know the difference.

    As a side note, I have also seen 2 black bear at different times near Potato Mountain, which is also in the area.

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    I've seen two lions so far this year. One on a ride and one sneaking through my yard. Both were medium size and alot smaller than the cats I've seen when I lived in Oregon's Coast Range. I've lost count of the bobcats I've seen because they're so common. Same with coyotes. Other animals I've seen are wild pigs, tons of small deer, and earlier this week, the biggest black bear I've seen out of a cage. I'm in the San Bernardino Mtns and ride alone, and the only animals I'm worried about are the neighborhood dogs who's owners let them run loose in the forest and roam the neighborhoods off leash. They rush me so often that I'm an expert at kicking them in the chops. I bounce rocks off their heads too.
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    Why on earth do you not believe the people on this board who say they've seen a mountain lion? I've seen two dead ones, does that count? Both fresh road kill, one near my home in Simi and another on 101's Cuesta Grade in SLO. Beautiful animals.

    Please give mtb'ers and other avid nature lovers some credit for knowing the difference between mountain lions and bobcats. We do NOT confuse the two. Both species are reclusive by nature, but I think we (humans) have helped select mountain lions to be particularly reclusive. Mountain lions that get noticed get shot!

    Watch the Interview of the NorCal couple (Jim & Nell Hamm) who fought off a mountain lion in Prairie Creek Redwoods S.P. My boyfiend and I mtb'd the Ossagon Loop at Prairie Creek two months before the Hamm's ordeal. We got separated & rode out ALONE IN THE DARK WITHOUT LIGHTS due to various blunders of our own and an unplanned detour around some aggressive Roosevelt Elk. I've never seen (or rather, not seen) a darker place than Prairie Creek Redwoods at night, with the possible exception of a cave. And I was sick with a high fever, which probably put me at greater than normal risk for predation. We did every possible dumb thing except hang raw porterhouse steaks from our camelbaks, but we did not get attacked. The Hamms were not so lucky.

    If I had it to do all over again, I'd rather repeat that wonderful ride in the dark (minus the flu) than walk alone through Central Park at night. Seriously.
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    mnt lion

    I have no doubt there are some that know the difference. There are many others, like folklore, confuse them with bobcats or other large animals that they see quickly. The usual sightings are at dusk which further inhibit a quality sighting. I am talking specifically about Sullivan Canyon in SM mnts, where it is likened to the 405 freeway. It has a lot of humans on the trail, including myself, so I doubt the lion was hanging around there in plain sight as the viewer posted. Also, the viewer never saw it, but a friend did and they reported it. I just want more specific details so I can be a little more at piece with this local area. I have no doubt the folks that saw the tracks or carcas, was the real deal. I cant get the image of that guy getting eaten a few years ago in Orange County. I think he was leaning over fixing a chain when a lion with rabbies or something attacked him. That was rare,

    I love biking and wont stop because of this fear. I just want to deal with it and overcome it. They travel 150 miles a day, which is impressive. I am thinking of putting eyes in the back of my helmut to prevent a surprise attack. I understand they are more prevalent in remote areas, especially in San Gabs and even Point Magu, where people told me about sightings.

    Can anyone verify that story?

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    I've seen well over fifty bobcats in the San Bernardino Mountains. I've also been lucky enough to see one mountain lion. Riding through miller canyon near Silverwood Lake, I startled one taking a drink of water from the lake. It ran up over the trail till it was around 100 yards uphill from me... then turned around and stared. Scary! Eventually it ran off but needless to say I was watching my back for the remainder of the ride. However... Even knowing that Mountain Lions are around, I think Rattlesnakes pose a far more realistic threat to the rider. Keep your eyes and ears wide open!

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    There are about a half a dozen mountain lions in the SM's, most of them tagged. I believe the sightings in Sullivan to be genuine(as documented on bike sites AND hike sites). It makes perfect sense that there have been sightings in the eastern SM's recently, since their main habitat, above Pepperdine, recently burned. This event would scare most of their food eastward.

    I have a few friends that live in the Westridge/Mandeville area, and they have had MANY lion sightings over the years. A flurry of them about 5 years ago. The deer like to eat grass and flowers in peoples yards and use human habitat as cover from the lions. I try to remain aware of how many deer I see on a particular ride, since where there are deer, there are lions. You may have noticed the increase in deer in Sulli canyon, again likely due to the fires.

    The best thing you can do to avoid an attack is not ride alone, and not ride at dawn or dusk. Another trick is to glue some stuffed animal eyes on the back of your helmet, since they rely on stealth to attack. A bear bell is another popular choice.

    I agree with you, it is NOT good that this lion has allowed himself to be seen more than once. I've heard P1 is one big dude.

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    Quote Originally Posted by merlin1011
    Can anyone verify that story?
    This thread not only verifies, but has photographic evidence...

    Mountain Lion in Sycamore

    Pretty funny actully, the lion is trying to hide from the biker by hiding only his head! Haha, kinda like a 3 year old would do.

    If you want to continue to scare yourself, just do a search for "mountain lion" in this socal board.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ElyWoody
    I've seen well over fifty bobcats in the San Bernardino Mountains. I've also been lucky enough to see one mountain lion. Riding through miller canyon near Silverwood Lake, I startled one taking a drink of water from the lake. It ran up over the trail till it was around 100 yards uphill from me... then turned around and stared. Scary! Eventually it ran off but needless to say I was watching my back for the remainder of the ride. However... Even knowing that Mountain Lions are around, I think Rattlesnakes pose a far more realistic threat to the rider. Keep your eyes and ears wide open!
    I live right above upper Miller Canyon. Here's a link to a sighting in my neighborhood yesterday. Probably the one that cruised through my yard.


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    Quote Originally Posted by merlin1011
    I know for a fact, that I have been watched by them from a distance.
    Can you prove this claim?

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    Ignorance is Bliss

    I read a number of threads re: mtn lions on mtbr including a frightening tale by BobL here. It spooked me from continuing to do solo night rides in remote canyons. Fortunately I have a couple of friends that join me on most night rides, so not only are things safer but it's much more fun riding with friends.

    Anyway, I wish I had never read these threads. I ran into a guy on a popular trail in San Diego who has been riding solo at night for 10+ years and he's never seen a lion. I asked him if he's heard about the recent cat sightings on the trail we were riding and he said no. I almost felt bad for scaring the guy, but I wanted to give him the heads up.

    Ps. I haven't seen a lion yet...just bobcats.

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    I figure westridge and sullivan canyon has so much traffic, its not riding alone. I wont ride alone outside of that area. I dont know anyone that rides as slow as I do. I hate holding people up. My friend that I ride with has to wait for me on every switchback. Anyway, I hope p1 is nowhere near Sullivan!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vader
    the only animals I'm worried about are the neighborhood dogs who's owners let them run loose in the forest and roam the neighborhoods off leash. They rush me so often that I'm an expert at kicking them in the chops. I bounce rocks off their heads too.
    I second that

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    Quote Originally Posted by merlin1011
    I do agree with one submission, if we do get attacked in the rare circumstance, it would be by an adolescent lion, which I hope is fairly young and can be stopped.
    How do you know that? And why would an adolescent be any easier to defend against than an adult?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mealsonwheels

    Ps. I haven't seen a lion yet...just bobcats.
    I've never seen any mt lions in person but several bobcats on a number of occasions. The only time I've truly been worried about a lion was this spring when a buddy and I were riding at the top of the mountain and we encountered a group of hikers that said they had seen a mountain lion. We shrugged it off but by the time we had ridden down the canyon to a spot directly below where the hikers had said they'd seen the lion we both got an eerie feeling that we were being watched. There was a section of the trail where we didn't see any deer or hear any birds...very quite... and had the distinct feeling that there was something there that we couldn't see but could see us, Very creepy and I didn't feel better until we got the heck out of there.

    I don't know if it was a lion or not but I'm positive they are in the area. A couple of years ago one was captured right in someone's front yard in Palo Alto only a few miles away so I know they must be in the hills.

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    I saw one across from Hidden Ranch in Blackstar Canyonr running down the mountain 2 years ago in August.
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    Quote Originally Posted by osmarandsara
    There was a documented mountain lion attack where a couple used a ball point pen to fight off a mountain lion....they actually stabbed it in the eye.....they both survived.....I think carrying a knife at least you gives you a fighting chance.......

    I always wanted to carry one but the knife rules in California are complicated...... county parks, state parks, national forrests, they all have diffrent rules I think......



    Wow, so California doesn't even trust it's own citizens to carry knives into the backcountry, thats really sad.

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    1. An adolescent is smaller than a full adult,
    2. I believe the documented attacks were by adolescents and not full adults.

    The bottom line is I would not want either fight. If you were to ask me if I had a choice between P-1 and a smaller adolescent, I would obviously choose the younger smaller lion. That was my only point. If p-1 wants to kill you, your ball point pen or your 5 inch knife will be useless. The adult lions skills are much more superior to that of a younger one.

    Believe me, if I am attacked, and I am not knocked out, my survival instinct will kick in and if I can reach my knife, I can assure you that f___cker will be stabbed!!!!

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    well with the fires sadly probably a few less lions now. that always pisses me off but then I remember the rest of california has thousands of them, so we could always import a few from the santa cruz mountains.

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    sorry about that..;-) not sure what happened. Bobcats do not have tails. This guy did not make this up, I assure you!!!! --- as far as the challenge, should I call him and tell him to join MTBR and defend his sighting? I don't think so. -- again, if you doubt it, please call the authorities and you can find information online about lions in our area.

    I realize it's strange to have one sitting in the trail, which is exactly why I posted the information. Some are more computer savy than others. But if you like, I will ask him to join MTBR and fill you in with more details.
    If I were he, I would not bother.

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    It was a mt lion - bobcats have no tails ...

    I posted the original message here and thought I was being nice.

    My friend of 10 years saw it and he has been riding the Santa Monica mountains for over 15 years. He knows the difference between a bobcat with no tail and a mt lion with about four feet of tail.

    He called me right away because he knows I ride Sullivan canyon alone all the time. He is not a member here on mtbr so I thought I would pass it along...not to scare anybody, just to keep us on the look out, I guess. He agreed we should notifiy people but he was not sure how.

    I will ask him to get a user name and give a bit by bit detail of seeing the huge lion sitting right in the trail --- the lion heard him coming..he stopped and the lion ran off. Maybe the lion is looking for water?

    Nevertheless, if there is somebody who wants to call him personally, please email me personally and I would be happy to set it up.

    There is not even a ranger I would trust that has more knowledge of what a mountain lion looks like than the person who told me about this.

    Not to mention the tone in his voice as he called me as soon as he got to his car! Again, I didn't mean to scare anyone...as for me? I am trying harder now to find someone with whom to ride, thought not always possible, of couse.

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    Here is my story from a while back:

    My Mtn Lion Encounter - 1/18/06

    Nearly two years later, I'm not comfortable riding at night alone anymore. I probably will never get over that. Actually, I don't want to get over it.

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    bobcats do have tails

    I am not saying your friend doesnt know the difference, but here is a picture of a bobcat., They do have tails. Also, please have your friend contact me at brcell@yahoo.com and I would love to talk in more detail with him or her. I dont want 3rd party accounts on mnt lion sightings. Please have your friend contact me as there are plenty of other large domestic and non dom. animals in that area. Please dont think I am discounting it entirely, the thread was created to get first hand info. Thats all.

    Thanks. Sully canyon is so frequented, it would be rare to see one there. Its like the 405 of our trails. You mentioned it was late too. Is it possible he was wrong?



    Quote Originally Posted by stenogrl
    I posted the original message here and thought I was being nice.

    My friend of 10 years saw it and he has been riding the Santa Monica mountains for over 15 years. He knows the difference between a bobcat with no tail and a mt lion with about four feet of tail.

    He called me right away because he knows I ride Sullivan canyon alone all the time. He is not a member here on mtbr so I thought I would pass it along...not to scare anybody, just to keep us on the look out, I guess. He agreed we should notifiy people but he was not sure how.

    I will ask him to get a user name and give a bit by bit detail of seeing the huge lion sitting right in the trail --- the lion heard him coming..he stopped and the lion ran off. Maybe the lion is looking for water?

    Nevertheless, if there is somebody who wants to call him personally, please email me personally and I would be happy to set it up.

    There is not even a ranger I would trust that has more knowledge of what a mountain lion looks like than the person who told me about this.

    Not to mention the tone in his voice as he called me as soon as he got to his car! Again, I didn't mean to scare anyone...as for me? I am trying harder now to find someone with whom to ride, thought not always possible, of couse.

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    I am challenging all those that actually saw one to step forward with more detail on what they saw.
    You have no hesitation in stating your own opinions, yet you "challenge" others to provide more information. Pretty arrogant and fatuous.

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    Upset in response

    Am I the stating I saw a mnt lion? Thats a major claim in such a popular trail. Why dont you re-read my thread from the beginning. I stated my own fears. There was no arrogance in what I said. I am questioning the folklore and stories that are past on. Everyone will believe there was a lion in the most populated trail in california. With that much traffic, I was doubting the veracity of the comment. I just wanted the actual person to come forward. Am I discounting all the other accounts? NO. You dont need to be her knight in shining armour. She can handle this on her own. If you want to know the truth, I dont believe p-1 was in the canyon that day. The original account mentioned the lion with another at the time. They run in solitude, especially as an adult, which was stated. There are many holes to the accounts, and I dont want there to be false rumours about this in such a populated trail. She also said bobcats dont have tails, we know this, not to be true. Re-read all of my posts. The basis for what I am saying is to express my fear for them, and to discount fact from fiction.

    Trust me, I do not think I am all that, in fact I mentioned how I suck and hold people up on rides. I dont know ****, thats why I set up this thread. It certaininly provoked a lot of response. Thanks for your thoughts. Also, I do believe it is possible that a lion has been on that trail considering the fires as of late and the trail they cover in a day. I just dont believe the sighting was accurate. It was also at dusk, further inhibiting clarity, which is something you need to digest.

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    You have no hesitation in stating your own opinions, yet you "challenge" others to provide more information. Pretty arrogant and fatuous.

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    I know the guy stenogirl is talking about. He knows what a mountain lion looks like.
    Believe it or not mountain lions are around. I've seen too many deer in Sulli canyon for there not to be a predator like a mountain lion looking for food.
    A bobcat tail is way shorter than a mountain lion and it would be pretty difficult to mistake a bobcat for a mountain lion.
    Take it for what it's worth. I would be cautious no matter what the trail is and accept that we are in their habitat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EMrider
    You have no hesitation in stating your own opinions, yet you "challenge" others to provide more information. Pretty arrogant and fatuous.



    I agree.............if someone chooses not to believe something, than thats on them. Merlin has an attitude that people owe him/her something and if he/she wants more information, than damnit, it better be presented on demand.

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    [QUOTE=merlin1011]..... I cant get the image of that guy getting eaten a few years ago in Orange County. I think he was leaning over fixing a chain when a lion with rabbies or something attacked him. That was rare,

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    Arrogance for sure

    Quote Originally Posted by merlin1011
    Am I the stating I saw a mnt lion?
    No. You stated that a mountain lion saw you.

    Quote Originally Posted by merlin1011
    I know for a fact, that I have been watched by them from a distance.
    Why should we believe your claim?

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    Holy Giant Lions Merlin!

    It seems that your fact gathering is based on fear and denial. Crowded trail or not, lions are there. But for the most part, they don't give a damn about you. Be concerned about the rattler you startle that lets some venom go into your ankle!
    An article in the Malibu Times a few months ago talked of lions in Malibu that are not tagged that people who live in the back country of the Santa Monica's have seen.
    Since the recent fires, they will be expanding their range in search of food. Their territory can cover up to 100 miles. I don't think they can travel 150 miles a day as you posted but I'm not looking it up. Did you? How much fact finding have you done? Did you call any biologists or rangers to talk to them? Better yet, did you go to a ranger station and state your fears and ask questions? Have you tried to educate yourself about this or did you just ask the mtn bike community and then tell them NO WAY when they said something you didnt want to hear! So here's the truth! The lions are there. You are in their home. This is where they live. We are trespassing on their land. We should not be there but it's just too late, we are here and the lion gets killed if it so much as snarls at us. Pretty fair huh?
    If you have gotten this far and i hope you have, I saw a mountain lion on dirt Mulholland a couple years ago on a night ride with my partner. It was just before the Nike sight. He had a long tail and was beautiful! He was a lion, absolutely! I dealt with lots of people that did not want to believe what I saw! They are ignorant fools. You need to accept that they are there! whether it is P1 or ABC or Leo, they are there and talking to the person that saw the lion won't change that fact. Trust me! I am not lying to you! I saw a lion and could get my partner to back it up! Educate yourself. If it's any consolation, most of us glance over our shoulders nowadays since poor Mark passed away! Good luck overcoming your fear. I know how you feel but for me, I don't like tunnels!
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    sighting

    All I wanted is first hand accounting of the frickin lion, thats it, Well I got my email and here it is:

    writing you to clear up 'mt. lion sighting'. nov. 7th at 4:30 i was coming down sullivan cyn. at the bottom part where it first starts to widen maybe 1/2 mile from the end and came up behind the said mt. lion (at +- 100 ft. away), it looked over its shoulder, turned sideways to me and ambled off the trail into brush. at side view it appeared to be six feet + from head to tail tip, the tail was 3 inches thick at least. i've been riding15 years in these mts. and have had a few other sightings and i know the differance between a puma and a bobcat. my first thought was it's a large dog or coyote but when it turned and gave me a perfect silhouette there was no doubt, this was a very large CAT. so be careful and be alert

    Now,with that being said, Pacman, you know that we have been watched at least once by a lion. How can you deny that? Yes, I have no proof, it is just makes sense that it had to have happened at least once. And no, you dont have to believe my claim, for I am an idiot, and should never ask anyone to validate the description of first hand info instead of 3rd party accounts. My bad, I should never have challenged anyone. Everyone has a right to believe what they want, and I shouldnt say ****. Maybe thats why I suck at riding, cause I dont challenge myself on the trail and am too busy arrogantly challenging others to state their claim. Maybe I should focus on the trail instead if looking at the perches and cliffs above me for the chance to see one. I would like to warn the kids and parents that go up sully that there is one around there for they dont have access to mtbr. I have seen many deer too, and PAc, you do agree with me, that where there is prey there is predator. I am just scared of seeing one, but I will never, ever, stop my passion for riding, for we can both agree again, it is the greates sport on earth!

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    Now you have the answer you didn't want (disprove a sighting).

    You're wrong about lions "if they are spotted, its because they want you to see them, or they are just comfortable around humans'. Sometimes they are surprised by someone who approaches fast and quietly. In my case I theorize that the lion was very interested in the small female jogger who went up and down the fireroad - he was going in her direction when I surprised him. In fact he was interested in me, hanging around instead of running away. By my walking around looking for paw prints I out-flanked him and got a good view.

    Pepper spray is a better weapon than a knife. It works at a distance and close-in spray wildly and you can't miss. Even if you spray yourself - so what?

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    If you spray yourself with pepper spray, you'll taste a lot worse. An ounce of prevention...

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    I didnt want to hear that answer, but like you all said, we are in their land, and we need to assume they are always around. Who caries pepper spray with them? How about Bear pepper spray, its a bigger bottle. Also, In an attack, you should probably have both, because a Knife may be easier to reach for a quick attack, who has time to get the pepper spray out in time? I would like to have some protection out there either way.If the attack is done right, I am dead anyway.

    PacMan, that some crazy stuff with the female jogger being tracked. IIs it true, 99% of the time a lion will run away if there is an encounter, thats what I heard.

    The last thing I would want to see is P-1 coming down a trail with me going up. I will probably die of a heart attack before I get the spray out.

    Thanks for all your inputs and clarifying this for me. Sorry to be such a pain on this. At the end of the day, I just wanted 1st party accounts of the sighting.

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    Heres a story that happened to me. Pasted from his first thread. Talk about an eerie feeling.

    This story was very interesting and you should consider yourself very lucky just to have seen one. I have lived in So. Ca. for nineteen years and have never seen one. I am from Colorado and have seen every creature in that state except a Mountain lion. I used to be an avid Elk and Deer hunter and have spent many hours in the wilderness. I have seen tracks a few times but never an actual Mountain lion. One time while hunting Elk my buddy and I were in a tent. We turned in for the night with dry conditions. But when we awoke there was a fresh blanket of four inches of snow on the ground. We were surprised and rather chilled to find fresh Mountain Lion tracks circling our camp site. They were about a hundred feet out from our tent. We never heard a sound the night before. It was a very eerie feeling knowing such an awesome cat had been that close and checked us out with out us ever knowing a thing. I am sure we are all being observed and one point or another without us realizing it. Anyway I feel you are very lucky to have had the encounter that you had.
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    I came across a mtn lion this past june in malibu creek, I wasn't on my bike I was night climbing at the planet of the apes wall, it's right by the big swimming hole. My climbing partner and I heard an odd noise and didn't think much of it, then about ten minutes later heard a loud roar (much too deep to be a bobcat) directley behind us, it sounded like it had gotten a kill and was defending it. Turned around and shined my turbocat light on it (which i was using to illuminate the wall), and saw it staring us down about 25ft away. We then backed up against the wall to make ourselves appear bigger and made lots of loud noises for about 15 min til we couldn't see it in the adjacent bushes. We then made makeshift weapons out of our climbing hardware and hiked out back to back just in case. It was an adrenaline filled evening, gave me more respect for the outdoors

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    A few years back I was riding cheesboro,was just past the sulfer flats/baleen wall "Y"going towards the baleen wall,when about 50 yards up the trail I seen a mountain lion.It stopped,turned looked at me for a second,then disappered off the trail into the brush/woods.well that ended that days ride!I truned around and started back for the parking lot,when I came upon two rangers.I told them what I saw and they said that they were tracking it.now when I ride out there,I'm very much more "alert".

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    Attack stats

    The following link has some interesting info(and reassuring info, unless you're one of the stats).

    http://tchester.org/sgm/lists/lion_attacks.html#stats

    Like most of you, I've seen bobcats a few times and felt like I was being stalked by a mountain lion once in a while, usually riding at night by myself. Also have had some bear encounters in the Sierra Nevadas and in West Virginia. Personally, I'm more worried about dogs, than bears and lions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by merlin1011
    1. An adolescent is smaller than a full adult,
    2. I believe the documented attacks were by adolescents and not full adults.

    The bottom line is I would not want either fight. If you were to ask me if I had a choice between P-1 and a smaller adolescent, I would obviously choose the younger smaller lion. That was my only point. If p-1 wants to kill you, your ball point pen or your 5 inch knife will be useless. The adult lions skills are much more superior to that of a younger one.

    Believe me, if I am attacked, and I am not knocked out, my survival instinct will kick in and if I can reach my knife, I can assure you that f___cker will be stabbed!!!!
    I dont mean to sound ignorant, but a 5-inch knife would be useless??! I hope not. I'm think that stabbing and twisting a 5in blade in "P-1" (not sure what that means, but assuming its an adult) would make it twitch...

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    This is all hypothetical but here's something fun to do. Go to Moorpark College animal actor zoo, go see the two big pumas there, size them up. Then imagine what weapon you would need to fight one of them off if it jumped on your back and bit down on your neck with about 2000lbs of pressure. Or even if it sauntered right up to you and let you have first blow. Or the first three blows. Imagine a creature that can attack 10 times faster than you, feels pain 100 times less than you, and is 50 times stronger than you and then picture you fighting it with your little tonto blade or even with a chainsaw. Around 1993 when I lived in north van a woman and her 12 year old son where riding along on horseback on the Gordon Powell trail, puma came out of nowhere took the kid right off the horse and was gone in a flash without breaking stride. EDIT: Now if only that could happen to all horseback riders around here HAHA j/k

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    Quote Originally Posted by dusthuffer
    Here's what you do. Go to Moorpark College animal actor zoo, go see the two big pumas there, size them up. They appear to be about 300lbs to me but judge for yourself. Then imagine what weapon you would need to fight one of them off if it jumped on your back and bit down on your neck with about 2000lbs of pressure.
    Well, now that I visualized that nice painting (300lbs, and that nice touch of 2000lb pressure back on the back of my neck) you drew, I hear ya...

    But, I will go see one as I have never and don't know first-hand how big they are proportionally.

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    Here's some wildlife cam pics from Orange County. There's some very nice pics of Mountain Lions. Courtesy of Jamr.

    http://www.socaltrailriders.org/foru...tive-note.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by merlin1011
    All I wanted is first hand accounting of the frickin lion, thats it, Well I got my email and here it is:

    writing you to clear up 'mt. lion sighting'. nov. 7th at 4:30 i was coming down sullivan cyn. at the bottom part where it first starts to widen maybe 1/2 mile from the end and came up behind the said mt. lion (at +- 100 ft. away), it looked over its shoulder, turned sideways to me and ambled off the trail into brush. at side view it appeared to be six feet + from head to tail tip, the tail was 3 inches thick at least. i've been riding15 years in these mts. and have had a few other sightings and i know the differance between a puma and a bobcat. my first thought was it's a large dog or coyote but when it turned and gave me a perfect silhouette there was no doubt, this was a very large CAT. so be careful and be alert

    Now,with that being said, Pacman, you know that we have been watched at least once by a lion. How can you deny that? Yes, I have no proof, it is just makes sense that it had to have happened at least once. And no, you dont have to believe my claim, for I am an idiot, and should never ask anyone to validate the description of first hand info instead of 3rd party accounts. My bad, I should never have challenged anyone. Everyone has a right to believe what they want, and I shouldnt say ****. Maybe thats why I suck at riding, cause I dont challenge myself on the trail and am too busy arrogantly challenging others to state their claim. Maybe I should focus on the trail instead if looking at the perches and cliffs above me for the chance to see one. I would like to warn the kids and parents that go up sully that there is one around there for they dont have access to mtbr. I have seen many deer too, and PAc, you do agree with me, that where there is prey there is predator. I am just scared of seeing one, but I will never, ever, stop my passion for riding, for we can both agree again, it is the greates sport on earth!

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    Ive never seen a Mtn Lion...

    ... thankgod, but I have seen bears, lots of 'em up near chilao and buckhorn. I'm a little more scared of them! Bigger and more of 'em...
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    http://www.nbc11.com/news/14726600/detail.html

    "Berger said the dog that was killed was named Otis; he found Otis on his back. He said Otis weighed more than 90 lbs., so he believes the mountain lion must have weighed close to 200 lbs."

    and

    http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?se...cal&id=5791457

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vernon Dozier
    I agree.............if someone chooses not to believe something, than thats on them. Merlin has an attitude that people owe him/her something and if he/she wants more information, than damnit, it better be presented on demand.
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    Berger said the dog that was killed was named Otis; he found Otis on his back. He said Otis weighed more than 90 lbs., so he believes the mountain lion must have weighed close to 200 lbs.



    Well, thats a little bit of false reasoning really, pound for pound the cat would kill the dog even if they were both evenly sized.

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    Your username brought back so many memories. I miss the old days when Phil Hendrie was on KFI and at a decent hour. He has to be the funniest guy on radio. I haven't listened to him since he has come back from his short lived retirement.





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    I saw a mountian lion near the top of Middle Peak in Cuyamaca State Park two years ago while riding alone. I caught it by surprise on the trail (fire road at that point) as I was coming down. It ran for a little bit on the trail then darted down the hill into the trees, which had lost much of the cover due to the 2003 Cedar fire.

    It was a beautiful animal, but I'm extremely glad it was startled and scared.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MTP
    I saw a mountian lion near the top of Middle Peak in Cuyamaca State Park two years ago while riding alone. I caught it by surprise on the trail (fire road at that point) as I was coming down. It ran for a little bit on the trail then darted down the hill into the trees, which had lost much of the cover due to the 2003 Cedar fire.

    It was a beautiful animal, but I'm extremely glad it was startled and scared.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray Dolor
    More than a little bit of error: A few years back, a local F&G Trapper shared a pic with a friend of mine of a disemboweled Rottweiler that was killed when the lion jumped the fence in it's back yard, and apparently was surprised by the dog, who charged it.

    The Rotty weighed in excess of 130...he was a big 'un. When F&G tracked the cat and killed it a couple days later, it did'nt have so much as a nick on it from the encounter with the dog.

    The cat's weight? 85lb.s
    Yep there is no dog that could hold it's own against a Mountainlion. Even big Timberwolfs from up north are smart enough to avoid a fight with one. The most leathal preditors on earth are the big cats African lions, Tigers, Leapards,Cheetahs,Jaquar, Pumas [Mountain lions] , Bobcat, Lynx. Take your average housecat and look at it's atheticism and weaponry it possesses, claws and teeth. And multiply that by a hundred or more and thats what a big cat can do. If a Mountainlion attacked you as a prey item and was set on killing, you would be dead . Most attacks are young males that are confused as to what they are attacking. And once they realise the mistake they usually release and run. A 150 lb Mountainlion can bring down a 750 lb Bull Elk if that doesn't show the power of one I dont know what does.
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    His new show isn't close to what it was, its 90% political commentary with about 10% character involvement.
    That sucks. I'll have to get a subscription to his site to hear archives of Bobbie and Steve Dooley then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MTP
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    I saw one drag a girl off her mtb bike by her face and into the bush...... but why live in fear. Chances are you'll die by your neighbors dog a few times before ever being attacked by a cat.

    Yeah it still kind of haunts me but the thought haunted me before the attack and that's why I'm alive now(kept me alert when I saw the first victims bike)

    FACT: Everyone ever attacked by a cat that wasn't alone lived.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DIRTJUNKIE,
    Yep there is no dog that could hold it's own against a Mountainlion.
    While it probably couldn't kill a Mountain Lion the Rhodesian Ridgeback could hold it's own as this is what it was bred to do against much larger African Lions...

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhodesian_Ridgeback

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    Quote Originally Posted by Koke
    While it probably couldn't kill a Mountain Lion the Rhodesian Ridgeback could hold it's own as this is what it was bred to do against much larger African Lions...

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhodesian_Ridgeback
    My brother had one of those. 130 pound male. His name was Phil! Philly had paws 5 inches across with claws 2" long and stout. If there was a dog that could handle a big cat, it is a Rhodie. We took him backpacking into the Sespe wilderness. He climbed hills and over boulders with a 40 pound dog pack on ALL DAY LONG. I would not want to be on his bad side.

    I hope no one has to stare down a big cat. I surely would want some big kitty scratching my bike!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Koke
    While it probably couldn't kill a Mountain Lion the Rhodesian Ridgeback could hold it's own as this is what it was bred to do against much larger African Lions...

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhodesian_Ridgeback




    I had a female Rhodesian growing up, Taffy was her name, damned good dog. But she alone would be no match for a mountain lion, Rhodesian Ridgebacks get their strength in numbers. Get 2-3-4 together guarding against a lion and you have a more fair fight.

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    my story...

    I saw a what I thought was a mountain lion in Rose canyon (between the 5 and Genesee Ave) about five years ago. I was riding my mtn bike and came upon the animal lurking on the side of the dirt road (it was facing away from me). It heard me when I was about 30 yards away and darted into the brush. I had just moved to San Diego that year so I didnt know what it was until I got home and looked on the internets. All I remember is that it was pretty big with a long tail with darker fur on the back and the tip of the tail. I sent an email to the city park rangers to let them know in case other people reported the same thing but I never heard anything else about it.

    Not a confirmed sighting but thats my story. From what I have heard it is definitely possible for a lion to make it that close to the coast considering all the open land directly to the east of that area (Miramar MCAS, etc).

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    Quote Originally Posted by tedroy
    ... thankgod, but I have seen bears, lots of 'em up near chilao and buckhorn. I'm a little more scared of them! Bigger and more of 'em...
    bears, cats......I am more scared of the political people shutting down trails and then bulldozing them for housing tracks
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    Quote Originally Posted by Koke
    While it probably couldn't kill a Mountain Lion the Rhodesian Ridgeback could hold it's own as this is what it was bred to do against much larger African Lions...

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhodesian_Ridgeback
    hold it's own....not likely.....harass or bother is good but the animal couldn't take a hit
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    ridgeback

    That is my ideal next dog. I agree that they stand no match. They were breed for keeping a lion at bay for a few minutes with other dogs of course, so the master can go in for the kill. They have no chance otherwise.

    This thread was intended to explore peoples experiences with mountain lions. I am no scholar in this field. I am, however , obsessed with them. I hope I never see one, unlike others who would think its awesome.

    It really comes down to this, if you cant handle that there are lions in our local trails, you should pick up another sport. Since that is NOT an option for me, I better rely on honest stats and say the episode is very remote to encounter one, and even more remote to get attacked.

    Thanks for all the responses.

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    Saw a mountain lion and bear cub above the Winter Creek trail on Dec 16. Cat was big! As soon as he saw us he bolted.

    Bear cub was climbing a tree and fell out when we scarred. It scurried back up very quickly. Of course we didn't stick around because we weren't sure where the mom was.

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    I've spent about 40 years in the San Diego backcountry and never actually seen a lion, but have seen bobcats many times, and up close too. I really want to see a lion, and don't want to, at the same time...maybe from a good distance as it's moving the other way. However, I know many have seen me, and there are many around.

    They aren't always afraid of a group of people. About ten years ago I was unloading my kids' bikes at our campsite in Cuyamaca when people started yelling. A lion had just crossed the campground right by the restrooms. I had my back turned and missed it.

    I used to hike & backpack solo. Late one afternoon I headed up Rockhouse Canyon (the northern one) in Anza-Borrego. Knew I started late and it was a risky time of day. Kept my knife ready. Arrived after dark & spent the night, but left the next day. Didn't feel right there. It had rained the day previous so there was a fresh thin coat of mud in the wash. Walking out I saw lion tracks that had followed me a long ways up canyon the night before.

    Earlier this year I also got that being watched feeling riding at dusk at Santa Rosa Plateau. I had expected other riders but there were none. Then there was the ballpoint pen story...so I quit riding alone at dusk in areas with known lion "incidents".

    It all comes down to "what's your acceptable level of risk?".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nagaredama
    Saw a mountain lion and bear cub above the Winter Creek trail on Dec 16. Cat was big! As soon as he saw us he bolted.

    Bear cub was climbing a tree and fell out when we scarred. It scurried back up very quickly. Of course we didn't stick around because we weren't sure where the mom was.

    Hey, I heard a group took the trail above Sturdavent Sunday and did a ton of hike a bike. Was that you, and is that WinterCreek?
    Bears and lions......wow!

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    I'm still freaked out about that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MTP
    I saw a mountian lion near the top of Middle Peak in Cuyamaca State Park two years ago while riding alone. I caught it by surprise on the trail (fire road at that point) as I was coming down. It ran for a little bit on the trail then darted down the hill into the trees, which had lost much of the cover due to the 2003 Cedar fire.

    It was a beautiful animal, but I'm extremely glad it was startled and scared.

    I was out there today and saw some big kitty prints prints in the trail. I was spooked the entire ride after that.
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    You know, it's one of those thing we can't control though. Like being hit by a car or being in a plane crash. I was reading this issue of bicycling magazine, and they have an article that includes many road bike-related death statistics, most of which are car accidents. So many road bikers die each year, but how many mountain bikers have died? As far as I know, just that one rider in Orange County in 2004. Since we can't control how or when we die, we might as well just ride. Easier said than done though.
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    acceptable level of risk...... Stacking on a bike and breaking a bone is a a lot more likely than having an encounter with a lion. There are no true stats on this, but lets say seeing one is rare, The thing to do is accept what you love and not worry about the unknowns and improbables. I thinking riding with a partner is much better in singletrack country and backwoods. I still feel pretty safe solo around the Santa Monicas South/East of Topanga to Westridge.

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    local lion & fire stroy

    They tracked this female very near to many OC riding spots.

    http://www.ocregister.com/news/sforz...-cave-mountain

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    Thanks Roberto, that was very interesting. Here's some good reading too...

    http://www.cougarinfo.org/outdoor.htm

    http://www.vetmed.ucdavis.edu/whc/sc...ion_report.pdf

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