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    Mountain Lion @ Daley Ranch

    On 4-27-06 during a solo ride I encountered a mountain lion while descending on the upper part of Hidden Springs trail. Scared the crap out of me!! I came around a curve and there it was in the middle of the trail. It wasn't a huge one but it wasn't small either maybe about 45lbs. I stopped when I saw it about 50 yards away, it stared at me for about 5 seconds and then took off into the brush. After riding for 13 years, this was a first for me and hopefully a last.

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    ohhh mahn. I ride there at least twice a week. We're suppose to go tomorrow too........

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    I remember about 6 years ago

    I went out there for a ride and saw the main trail to the right as you leave the parking lot was taped off. There was a sign saying something about a Mt. Lion. Oddly enough, the paved road to the left was open as was Boulder Loop and all connecting trails on that side of the park.

    I spoke briefly with a ranger and they said that they knew about that cat for some time but he apparenlty got a little too curious and was checking out some peeps so they decided to tape off a portion of the park and see what it'd do.

    I just thought to myself "what, if we stay on our side of the tape the kitty will stay on his?"

    They're out there. Just becuase we may never have seen one doesn't mean they haven't seen us.

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    Best tip, don't ride alone.

    Does anyone know how fast mt. lions can run? Just wondering if i could foolishly outrun one.
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    Small tidbits

    Quote Originally Posted by silentak1
    Best tip, don't ride alone.

    Does anyone know how fast mt. lions can run? Just wondering if i could foolishly outrun one.
    Not the info. Us.

    Here is the info you want.
    They are built for speed, not endurance, reaching speeds of 40 mph in less than 50 feet. The backbone is very flexible, allowing it to make vertical leaps of 15 feet and horizontal leaps of 45 feet.

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    Kill it!

    Right on! Someone, hurry up and alert the authorities so they can kill it!

    The media will be most appreciative!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquaholic
    Right on! Someone, hurry up and alert the authorities so they can kill it!

    The media will be most appreciative!
    "Tee Hee!!!!!!!!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by noslogan
    Not the info. Us.

    Here is the info you want.
    They are built for speed, not endurance, reaching speeds of 40 mph in less than 50 feet. The backbone is very flexible, allowing it to make vertical leaps of 15 feet and horizontal leaps of 45 feet.

    0-40mph in 50ft???? I'll start practicing my shouting and bike lifting right now!
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    Quote Originally Posted by scstough
    On 4-27-06 during a solo ride I encountered a mountain lion while descending on the upper part of Hidden Springs trail. Scared the crap out of me!! I came around a curve and there it was in the middle of the trail. It wasn't a huge one but it wasn't small either maybe about 45lbs. I stopped when I saw it about 50 yards away, it stared at me for about 5 seconds and then took off into the brush. After riding for 13 years, this was a first for me and hopefully a last.
    45lbs? There is nothing on this earth that weighs 45lbs that's gonna take me in a fight for my life.

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    I was out there solo two Saturdays ago and noticed some smaller lion tracks on Hidden Springs. Needless to say I didn't hang around. I was climbing; I guess next time I'll reverse it and descend through there.

    Although I guess it could be anywhere in there.

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    Time to start carrying the Glock

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    What can you carry to defend yourself besides a gun? Pepper spray? Knife? What's best?

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    best defense is a good offense

    Quote Originally Posted by West Side Rider
    What can you carry to defend yourself besides a gun? Pepper spray? Knife? What's best?
    A rider slower than you
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    Sounds pretty small to me...a whole lot of nothing to worry about. I've seen bigger coyotes out there.

    Worse news: I know an 18-year old kid who broke his neck out there two weeks ago. He's in a halo now and it's still too early to tell if he'll need surgery. Great young man, already has academic scholarships lined up to several schools. He was still a relatively newby to the sport, but he's athletic just the same. In any event, the ruts at Daley Ranch are likely to do more damage than a little 'ole mountain lion.

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    hope he heals

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    Top of Noble 2 weeks ago we saw one chasing a deer into the brush. I think animals appear naturally in nature. Kinda like plants and rocks and dirt.
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    Of course the easiest way to fix this is to go for a hike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rivet
    45lbs? There is nothing on this earth that weighs 45lbs that's gonna take me in a fight for my life.

    ...yeah....that's what the 180lb mule deer said too.....
    ...every day sends future to past...

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    Quote Originally Posted by xjbebop
    ...yeah....that's what the 180lb mule deer said too.....
    If you think a prey animals defense skills are on par with a humans you should probably be afraid of a 45lb mountain lion.

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    didn't they just find some MTB'ers bike, foot and a shoe last year in LA? I'm sure he was suprised that a little lion could eat his azz too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by silentak1
    Does anyone know how fast mt. lions can run? Just wondering if i could foolishly outrun one.
    Ha, don't even bother out running one. Even my 10 pound house cat out runs me when I am chasing it down for it's weekly brushing/grooming.
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    so......

    Quote Originally Posted by uno-speedo
    Time to start carrying the Glock
    Since Mt. Lions attack from the rear, what good is a Glock going to do?

    You'll already be on the ground before you realize what's happening. How are you even going to get a gun out to do anything with it?

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    I thought

    Quote Originally Posted by Duzitall
    I think animals appear naturally in nature..
    that this is why we had zoos.........keep them out of their natural environment so we can enjoy it and put 'em all in zoos so we can say "nice kitty"

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    noslogan...

    the article you posted ruffles my feathers. the author's anti-bush sentiment is evident, but his rhetoric is tiring. you are obviously likening the fight or flight response of an animal to a group of religious zealots, a parrellel that i feel cannot be drawn since animals have a relatively predictable manner and live in harmony with their surroundings. the US government can and will do anything it wants because nobody can stop them. this is something that has been so since the very beginning. the American Indians can tell you this, and if their story isn't sad enough i have no idea what is. who cares about Palestine? not me. i really wish that all religions practiced mass suicide. if we could kill off all the people that are too weak/victimized/corrupted/ignorant/etc. to live at peace with their surroundings we would be WAY better off. trouble is, we killed off most of the people that lived in peace with nature a long time ago. they got in the way of the machine.

    i feel a bit better now. wish i could go for a ride but i need to do my part in the machine!

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    Hope More ruffled feathers

    Quote Originally Posted by mechmann_mtb
    noslogan...
    i feel a bit better now. wish i could go for a ride but i need to do my part in the machine!
    I do not have the intelectual stamina to read anything more than a mountain bike magazine or mtb website. And then the ADD kicks in. Politics and religion are a tough nut for my nut to crack.
    I truly thought the artical was about David and Goliath.:blush2: I, at least, remember that story.
    I'll try to thoroughly go over anything that I post via another website to make sure the thread remains on topic and to not enflame others.
    I did not read the artical.


    Now, back to the topic. I am walking my dogs last night. 62lbs female and 75 lbs male. We come up on a 5 lbs cat. The cat arched, hissed and didn't back down. I had to pull the dogs passed the cat. The cat would have fought a good battle. And prolly scared the dogs and hurt them as well. If Bul or Ana could have gotten that cat in their mouth it would have been a goner.
    If a mountain lion and I had to go to blows, it is becuase I saw it coming.

    I remember holding a cat once that scratched the h3ll outa my arm. I am still trying to figure out how its hind legs made it over its head and scratched my beak when I was facing the cat holding in my outstreched arms.
    Sorry to ruffle feathers and not realize I was doing so.
    I am glad you vented.

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    My condonlences

    Quote Originally Posted by MTP
    Sounds pretty small to me...a whole lot of nothing to worry about. I've seen bigger coyotes out there.

    Worse news: I know an 18-year old kid who broke his neck out there two weeks ago. He's in a halo now and it's still too early to tell if he'll need surgery. Great young man, already has academic scholarships lined up to several schools. He was still a relatively newby to the sport, but he's athletic just the same. In any event, the ruts at Daley Ranch are likely to do more damage than a little 'ole mountain lion.
    That's sad ... hope he'll be ok. I was out riding with an 18-19 year old out at Daley about this time of year in 1999 and he took a spill and likewise broke his neck ... it was just he and I, had to leave him lying there ... go for help at 7:00 AM ... had to life-flight him out of there. I would suspect that with as many hikers/walkers as there are up there - it'd be more likely that we'd see aggressive activity towards those that frequent the park/ranch to participate in such activities before we ever heard of a mountain-biker being taken down or even approached by a mountain lion. And, if you happen to come upon one flying around a corner or something ... I'd think the thing would run, not immediately attack.

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    I think the rattlesnakes are more of a threat!
    I've spotted bobcats and mountain lions over at Black Mountain Park quite a few times.

    Hate to hear about any injuries!
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    So has anyone contacted the park ranger to let them know where they spotted the mountain lion? A forty five pound mountain lion can be dangerous if you do not see him coming. If your head was down on a climb, and he jumped on your back you might be in trouble. In 2004 a mountain biker was killed, and another was severly scared from a mountain lion attack at Whiting Ranch up in Orange County. All the same I would keep my eyes open and ride in a group if you can. Just my own opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by noslogan
    I do not have the intelectual stamina to read anything more than a mountain bike magazine or mtb website. And then the ADD kicks in. Politics and religion are a tough nut for my nut to crack.
    I truly thought the artical was about David and Goliath.:blush2: I, at least, remember that story.
    I'll try to thoroughly go over anything that I post via another website to make sure the thread remains on topic and to not enflame others.
    I did not read the artical.


    Now, back to the topic. I am walking my dogs last night. 62lbs female and 75 lbs male. We come up on a 5 lbs cat. The cat arched, hissed and didn't back down. I had to pull the dogs passed the cat. The cat would have fought a good battle. And prolly scared the dogs and hurt them as well. If Bul or Ana could have gotten that cat in their mouth it would have been a goner.
    If a mountain lion and I had to go to blows, it is becuase I saw it coming.

    I remember holding a cat once that scratched the h3ll outa my arm. I am still trying to figure out how its hind legs made it over its head and scratched my beak when I was facing the cat holding in my outstreched arms.
    Sorry to ruffle feathers and not realize I was doing so.
    I am glad you vented.

    "Atheism cures religious terrorism".

    Quote Originally Posted by Rivet
    45lbs? There is nothing on this earth that weighs 45lbs that's gonna take me in a fight for my life.

    Back on topic. Rivet, you are naive if you don't believe that a "small" lion of only 45 pounds can't inflict magor damage, or even kill a human. Have you ever seen the carnage that a pissed off, 10 pound, house kitty can inflict?

    Albeit, I have to believe that it is unlikely that a juvenile lion would ever attack, but if the animal is injured, desparate, or provoked... all bets are off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yeti_Rider
    Since Mt. Lions attack from the rear, what good is a Glock going to do?

    You'll already be on the ground before you realize what's happening. How are you even going to get a gun out to do anything with it?

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    I was being facetious

    Or maybe not :wink5:

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    Its like Grandpappy used to say... "you think your so tough, go grab that squirrel"
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    That's NUTS

    Quote Originally Posted by boboso
    Its like Grandpappy used to say... "you think your so tough, go grab that squirrel"
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    I was riding alone at Daley maybe 5-6 years ago at dusk (not too smart in retrospect).

    In a group, a week or two earlier, we had spotted mt lion tracks in the western reaches of the ranch.

    Not far from there I became aware of a odd bad smell and decided to cut things short and not too fast.... thinking there may be a kill around and I didn't want to compete.

    What made me VERY nervous is the "bad smell" followed me for at least a mile and a half. I maintained my "not too fast" pace (based on my kitty experience) and the smell finally subsided.

    And I decided Daley wasn't a good place to ride at dusk alone.

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    Carry a small pistol, .22 caliber or so. And never ride alone. If you are threatened by some hyper aggresive forest or high desert creature, shoot a buddy in the leg, and ride screaming for help...
    Actually, make alot of noise and travel in a group. If confronted, make yourself as big as possible and try to keep somethign between you and the animal. Distance is your friend.

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    "heeerrre kitty-kitty-kitty..."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Julie
    .... And I decided Daley wasn't a good place to ride at dusk alone.
    Did a solo ride out there around 7:30 last night needless to say i was the last one out of the park. I think it would be cool to see a mtn lion out there. Up until this year had no problems with solo night rides at Hodges but one night ran into homeless guys just standing on the trail in 3 different spots, gave me the heebie geebies. No more night solo's out there for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by holycromoly
    Ha, don't even bother out running one.
    And what does a predator do when something flees? You probably do not want to try it unless you have a good head start.

    People have seen a bear pretty close to a trail that I ride frequently. No trouble, though. When I was a kid I was almost run over by a couple of European moose that panicked while crossing a road....
    (edit: my last paragraph may not be really relevant in California but my first might well be.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ratt
    one night ran into homeless guys just standing on the trail in 3 different spots
    Was it the same homeless guy each time, in locations far enough apart that it would be physically impossible for him to appear at unless he could astroproject? That'd be pretty creepy. Especially if he (they) didn't say anything and just stared at you without moving. Maybe their lips would be moving like they were mumbling some incantation, or speaking with aliens.

    Sounds like a Twilight Zone episode.
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    Road Hodges last night....no homless guys. Started at dusk about 7 or so. Ran into 4 deer on the upper trail...stopped for a few minutes and watched them go down into a canyon...really cool....I have seen some solo before but never in a pack. Down the trail ran int a King snake, then on the way back on the fire road right by the water saw really wet tracks...like something just went for a swim....then the lights caught 2 blue marbles...
    got up closer and it was a huge coyte with a friend next to him and one still at the water.
    This thread came to mind as I saw the reflection of the coytes eyes as you couldn't make out what it was until we were closer and got some light on them.....needless to say the pace picked up rapidly! Solo nite rides are out at this point.

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    Be vigilant while riding along the Dawson canyon side at F-line, especially at dusk. That PUZZY was huge that I saw couple months

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    Frankly, you sound like a bunch of women (no offense to our female riders out there, who likely wouldn't be as timid as these animal-fearing boys). Geez.

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    The squirrel...salute him!

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    If yer scared, stay home!

    ...but seriously, no one wants to get hurt (let alone mauled by Charlie the lonesome cougar...), BUUUTTTTT.......that's a big part of why we MOUNTAIN BIKE in the first place.
    The (potential) risks involved and to get closer to nature. If ya just wanna cruise around the city parks and/or reserviors, you take your chances with the two-legged pree-verts. If you venture further out (like most of us), you take your chances with the local fauna...

    ...nature of the beast, so to speak...
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    Quote Originally Posted by SKULLY
    got up closer and it was a huge coyte with a friend next to him and one still at the water.
    This thread came to mind as I saw the reflection of the coytes eyes as you couldn't make out what it was until we were closer and got some light on them.....needless to say the pace picked up rapidly! Solo nite rides are out at this point.
    No offense, but . . . SoCalers and their reaction to wildlife never cease to amaze me. If you are scared of a coyote you've got some deep hidden issues. Last time I heard of someone being attacked and killed by a coyote, or a pack of coyotes, was, let's see . . . never. No really, no offense meant. This rant has been directed at a larger group of people and not one indiviudal.

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    Never said I was scared of a coyote or being attacked by one......I grew up in the sticks and still live in the sticks and see them cruise by my house all the time. If you ride at night though....and see the reflection of eyes but can't see what they are attached to....that is a different story. I saw a large Mountain Lion at Hodges about 15 years ago on a solo ride....I was on a upper trail above Felicita Creek...it was probably 60-70 lbs. so I know that they are there...and I have a great deal of respect for them.....if you don't just ask Anne Hjelle about her meeting with one. She was the one at Whiting Ranch that had her head pulled out of the mouth of one that killed another mtn biker. No offense taken.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquaholic
    "Atheism cures religious terrorism".

    Back on topic. Rivet, you are naive if you don't believe that a "small" lion of only 45 pounds can't inflict magor damage, or even kill a human.
    It may be able to kill a human, it just ain't killing this one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquaholic
    "Atheism cures religious terrorism".




    Back on topic. Rivet, you are naive if you don't believe that a "small" lion of only 45 pounds can't inflict magor damage, or even kill a human. Have you ever seen the carnage that a pissed off, 10 pound, house kitty can inflict?

    Albeit, I have to believe that it is unlikely that a juvenile lion would ever attack, but if the animal is injured, desparate, or provoked... all bets are off.

    Hey Steve, I completely agree with you on how much damage any size cat can do. But if you look at the statistics on mountain lion attacks, it is usually a juvenile male that attacks a human. They are just like humans in their behavior. Look how stupid young male humans act. The male lions that attack humans are usually in there teenage stage of life.
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    You guys are all nuts thinking one of these cats can not take a 200LB man down. Someone mentioned they take down 180lb mule deer. I am from Colorado where they routinely bring down 700LB Bull Elk. Mountain lions are a serious predator and demand respect. Sure it is a rare thing for them to attack a human but it does happen. Be a smart rider and buddy up with someone, it will give you a better chance if an attack does happen. Never ride alone. If you do encounter a lion and have a chance before it attacks, hold your bike up as a barrier between you and the cat. Never run or try to ride away from it, as this triggers a predatory response for them to chase you down. If you do see one consider yourself a lucky bastard as it is a rare sight indeed.
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    "heeerrre kitty-kitty-kitty..."
    Tee Hee!!!!!!
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    Mtn loins aren't the only thing to worry about at Daley

    Rode Daley today at noon in a <b>group</b>, we came up on a runner on the trail and she was pretty spooked. A freak was trying to lead her off into the bushes. She was so freaked out she was hard to understand. We should have went with her to the parking lot but she was so spooked she just ran off to get to her car, hopefully she made a report to the rangers.

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