makes no difference what I do, every time I get a mouthful from her. She has threatened me with cops, used the horse to try block my path (in a confrontational face off type setup), etc etc etc
I also always tell her horse just left 30 lbs of sh1t back there, can she go pick it up.
Hasnt somebody shot this woman and her horse yet? if not id suggest shooting her horse first, you wouldnt want her to miss seeing that, then pop her off second.
In no way is this any "official" City / SM Mtns Conservancy / Gas Co, etc. sign. None of these would use angle iron shelving material as the structure, nor would they pour about 6" deep concrete to secure it.
Now, I'm not saying weather or not what this sign says is true or not, as I do not know the answer. I do know cyclists have been riding this since the mid 80's however.
It does look like someone had a very serious collision with the sign, maybe it is too close to the trail? We can only assume it was a hiker or horse back rider that collided. Looks like dogs don't think too much of it either!
I'm not here to argue the law and people need to get their own legal advice, but I can tell you that a "Private Road" sign does not equal "Private Property" or "No Trespassing".
If they want to keep the public out legally (ie have cops remove them) they need to put up a gate & a fence & properly mark the property as private property and trespassing as prohibited. The sign they have up on Old Ranch Road saying "Private Road" "24 Hour Security Patrol" & "No Park Entry" does NOT cut it.
Question for ScottR1 - Does your friend reallty think the sign they have up on Old Ranch Road entrance would result in someone being arrested for trespass? Really???
I've never been on Old Ranch Road, as maps and GoogleEarth show that it doesn't have enough climbing to interest me. I'm sorry, I don't even know where the access on Old Ranch Road is located. Parcel maps do show the lower end of Old Ranch Road is a private easement through private property, from Sunset up to 1740 Old Ranch Road, but that's just a legal description, I have no idea what it looks like on the ground.
Hey ScottR1 - It's probably unwise to comment on something you know nothing about. Here's pic of the sign from the street view on google maps.
You & your attourney friend need to do a little research on the differences between a "road on private property" and a "private road". In the meantime you should stop spreading misinformation that limits access for MTBers.
You mean the only one thats defaced? Why yes, it does appear to be the case, and if so, I'd wager that gives a taxpayer rights to access. Though I'm not an attorney so don't listen to what I say.
The City maintains a lot of roads on private property for things like fire fighting, access to radio towers, reservoirs, power lines, and other equipment. Because the City maintains the road does not mean it's open for public access.
That being said there is nothing on that sign that would indicate that public travel on the road is not allowed.
"Not dedicated for public use" seems to me to be a deliberate way of getting as close to saying "public use prohibited" as they legally could. If there's no indication of it being private property I don't see what the problem is.
Hey, bbbrad, don't pop a vein, 'k? How is copying and pasting sections of the California Penal Code "spreading misinformation?" Your photoshopped sign indicates property owners may try to limit access for park users, but it's not aimed specifically at MTBers, so drop the paranoia. The City's sign indicates the street is not for public use, so I, personally, who have some respect for private property, would (and will) avoid that street. Thanks for letting me know what the sign looks like, but I still don't know where it is.
wtf does that mean? it means nothing..... if this was private the signs would say:
PRIVATE : NO PUBLIC ACCESS, trespassers will be prosecuted etc etc and there would be a gate with a security guard knowing what kind of ********s live down there.
I personally think the horse trail is a waste of time, really not a great trail, but after seeing all these signs im gonna tear town it at mach 5 at every chance I get.
Well lets just hope that they come back and say that its public, because if they come back and say that it is in fact private, you just sealed the coffin on the Horse Trail . . . .
What do I care . . . I don't even live near there any more :lol:
I interpret that sign to mean that dirt bikes are allowed, I figure a dozen dirt bikes up and down the trail once a day for a week and they'll be begging the MTBers to come back...
This thread has turned into a circus. Wasn't it originally about a lady on a white horse who violated the rights of some people? Now you guys are arguing about the wording, location, and officiality of some signs?
It's true, I think, in 16 years of riding here (near) the Tetons, I have yet to have one truly negative horse-rider conflict...except one ride I was on in the very early days of Teton Pass/Ritalin, (2001?) and that encounter turned into the beginnings of Teton Freedom Riders.
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