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    I know this thread is old, but every time she threatens you or takes aggressive action w/ her horse she needs to be reported to the rangers. The video is perfect evidence to start this process. If the rangers receive enough complaints she will absolutely get a visit from them for harassing and endangering mountain bikers on a multi-use trail.

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    Stay tuned, there has been (July 4, 2013) some major action regarding this women, horses (BTW, she does not own the white horse), the LAPD and a physical "battery" along with a life threatening verbal threat made against a cyclist, all witnessed by other (non-cyclists) trail users as well as video of the incident(s) I can not say more at the moment, because this is only two days old, and the LAPD detectives have just begun their investigation. But, I promise to post more once I can.
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    Quote Originally Posted by El Salt View Post
    Stay tuned, there has been (July 4, 2013) some major action regarding this women, horses (BTW, she does not own the white horse), the LAPD and a physical "battery" along with a life threatening verbal threat made against a cyclist, all witnessed by other (non-cyclists) trail users as well as video of the incident(s) I can not say more at the moment, because this is only two days old, and the LAPD detectives have just begun their investigation. But, I promise to post more once I can.
    Interesting. She gave me a hard time last Sunday right at the bottom of squirrel cage.

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    Yes!...(Grabs popcorn)

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    Again, I can't say any more, as the LAPD has the link to this thread, and I am involved in the case. But I wanted others that ride in this area to know that things really came to a head on Thurs. The best outcome is that this woman is barred from trails in the SM's, and that she gets the help that she obviously needs. I do promise to post more when I feel I legally can.
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    It kinda figgers that she would lose it on July 4th.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Cycle Shawn View Post
    She'll just get more aggressive. It's just a matter of time before she goes from really stupid, to really really stupid, and someone gets hurt. If I took that video, I wouldn't bother with the ranger, he/she can't do anything. I'd take it to the local sheriff or PD.
    Quote Originally Posted by El Salt View Post
    Again, I can't say any more, as the LAPD has the link to this thread, and I am involved in the case. But I wanted others that ride in this area to know that things really came to a head on Thurs. The best outcome is that this woman is barred from trails in the SM's, and that she gets the help that she obviously needs. I do promise to post more when I feel I legally can.

    I'm surprised it took this long. The best outcome would be spending some time behind bars and getting some help.

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    Wow is this true?

    Judge should give her a shovel + wheelbarrow to clean hs from SM trails

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deerhill View Post
    Wow is this true?

    Judge should give her a shovel + wheelbarrow to clean hs from SM trails
    I doubt if the Judge will impose such a demeaning penalty on her. After all, she is a member of a Higher Class of citizen than the bicycle riding trash....Judges tend to take one's Station in life in account when they mete out "justice".

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    She might get what she deserves this time if not more, threatening somebody's life from horseback and actual battery.. Would the horse be considered a deadly weapon similar to threatening somebody from an automobile?

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    We rode through "her territory" the weekend before last but we did not see her.

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    The best result would be if she was tied between 4 draught horses and had her arms and legs pulled off in front of heaps of mountain bikers that have donated to charity to watch he being de-limbed.
    Id travel to the states for that for sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tone's View Post
    The best result would be if she was tied between 4 draught horses and had her arms and legs pulled off in front of heaps of mountain bikers that have donated to charity to watch he being de-limbed.
    Id travel to the states for that for sure.
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    People like this are too stupid to learn. Once she has a case on her, next incident, absent any other witnesses, she'll be assumed to be the aggressor.
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    This is a great reminder for everybody that rides in "hostile territory" to bring along a camera/cell phone to catch kooks in the act.

    I hope that chick gets smited. Smited hard...
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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtvert View Post
    This is a great reminder for everybody that rides in "hostile territory" to bring along a camera/cell phone to catch kooks in the act.

    I hope that chick gets smited.
    Smited is such a great term. Holy Retribution indeed.

    And yes, always having a device to record interactions is a good idea.
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    I can't wait to hear how this turns out . . . .
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    Quote Originally Posted by 007 View Post
    I can't wait to hear how this turns out . . . .
    Was that her that we passed going down the pavement on the left? Remember that lady with a white horse in the stable?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawg View Post
    Was that her that we passed going down the pavement on the left? Remember that lady with a white horse in the stable?
    I believe so, yes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 007 View Post
    I believe so, yes.
    Wasn't she kinda hawt looking?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawg View Post
    Wasn't she kinda hawt looking?
    Maybe if you like turtles she is?
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    Quote Originally Posted by 007 View Post
    Maybe if you like turtles she is?
    That must be it. I guess she reminded me of a turtle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by El Salt View Post
    Stay tuned, there has been (July 4, 2013) some major action regarding this women, horses (BTW, she does not own the white horse), the LAPD and a physical "battery" along with a life threatening verbal threat made against a cyclist, all witnessed by other (non-cyclists) trail users as well as video of the incident(s) I can not say more at the moment, because this is only two days old, and the LAPD detectives have just begun their investigation. But, I promise to post more once I can.
    I'm pretty sure I saw part of this. My friend and I had just come down into Sullivan Canyon from Squirrel Cage when some hikers heading from further up the canyon told us about some confrontation happening between two bikers and a lady on a horse. It was a pretty busy time (around noonish) with lots of other trail users, mostly hikers.

    Next thing I know, there is a ton of commotion coming from up the canyon. Some woman was on a white horse and also had another horse (brown I think) with her, at a full gallop, chasing down two bikers. That lady is crazy in a Lindsay Lohan way -- maybe kind of hot, but you really don't want to be around her. Her eyes were bulging out of her head, and she kept goading the horses on, screaming at the top of her lungs, "HHOOOOO! HOOOOOOOO! HOOOOOOO!" over and over again.

    My friend and I jumped off the trail as fast as we could, and pretty much ended up in the bushes. One of the hikers near us immediately tried calling 911, but could not get reception. Fortunately, it sounds like someone else was able to get in touch with the police.

    Afterwards, we spoke with a couple of other hikers and we got snippets of what happened. I still don't really know what the precipitating events were, but trying to run down bikers with two horses while endangering everyone else on the trail (like I said, it was a busy day) was probably uncalled for. I'm thinking maybe if those bikers cut out the heart of the woman's puppy in front of her, then it might be okay to do what she did.

    As for those two riders - whoever you are, you looked like you were keeping your cool. I don't know if I would have been as calm with two horses chasing me. You guys definitely looked liked you were handling the situation as well as possible.

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    Dear Peons,

    I would like to apologize for almost trampling ya'll, but gluestix (that's my horsie) and me just watched the preview special screening of the Lone Ranger!

    Next thing you know, we are in this canyon full of colorful targets, and well, the rest is history.

    PS thank you for all the debates we have had over the last few months.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ladyonwhitehorse View Post
    Dear Peons,

    I would like to apologize for almost trampling ya'll, but gluestix (that's my horsie) and me just watched the preview special screening of the Lone Ranger!

    Next thing you know, we are in this canyon full of colorful targets, and well, the rest is history.

    PS thank you for all the debates we have had over the last few months.
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    Quote Originally Posted by El Mango View Post
    I'm pretty sure I saw part of this. My friend and I had just come down into Sullivan Canyon from Squirrel Cage when some hikers heading from further up the canyon told us about some confrontation happening between two bikers and a lady on a horse. It was a pretty busy time (around noonish) with lots of other trail users, mostly hikers.

    Next thing I know, there is a ton of commotion coming from up the canyon. Some woman was on a white horse and also had another horse (brown I think) with her, at a full gallop, chasing down two bikers. That lady is crazy in a Lindsay Lohan way -- maybe kind of hot, but you really don't want to be around her. Her eyes were bulging out of her head, and she kept goading the horses on, screaming at the top of her lungs, "HHOOOOO! HOOOOOOOO! HOOOOOOO!" over and over again.

    My friend and I jumped off the trail as fast as we could, and pretty much ended up in the bushes. One of the hikers near us immediately tried calling 911, but could not get reception. Fortunately, it sounds like someone else was able to get in touch with the police.

    Afterwards, we spoke with a couple of other hikers and we got snippets of what happened. I still don't really know what the precipitating events were, but trying to run down bikers with two horses while endangering everyone else on the trail (like I said, it was a busy day) was probably uncalled for. I'm thinking maybe if those bikers cut out the heart of the woman's puppy in front of her, then it might be okay to do what she did.

    As for those two riders - whoever you are, you looked like you were keeping your cool. I don't know if I would have been as calm with two horses chasing me. You guys definitely looked liked you were handling the situation as well as possible.
    good night! That is crazy, she obviously has no care whether or not her and her 1 ton pets trample someone to death, hiker or biker.... I wonder if they can charge someone with Assault with a Deadly weapon for that kind of action?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Klurejr View Post
    good night! That is crazy, she obviously has no care whether or not her and her 1 ton pets trample someone to death, hiker or biker.... I wonder if they can charge someone with Assault with a Deadly weapon for that kind of action?
    'Betcher boots they can. What else would they call it......"Misbehavior of the Privileged"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ladyonwhitehorse View Post
    Dear Peons,

    I would like to apologize for almost trampling ya'll, but gluestix (that's my horsie) and me just watched the preview special screening of the Lone Ranger!

    Next thing you know, we are in this canyon full of colorful targets, and well, the rest is history.

    PS thank you for all the debates we have had over the last few months.
    aha

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    Not a horse but some dog came full tilt at me when I came out of a trail on to another trail this morning. Lady sitting on a big rock with her dog says; "watch out", dog jukes left, then goes to the right of me. I look over at her and she says, "not my dog" as the dog proceeds it's sprint out of site. No idea who the dog belonged to or why it was in such a hurry.

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    this ever go anywhere?

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    i can tell you I have not seen her on the trail in weeks

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    Well (anything come of this?), I can tell you, the incidents one month "anniversary" is tomorrow Aug 4th. And, with nothing from the DA, not a courtesy phone call or email, I still feel that I can not post any of the evidence, etc. Come Monday I will re-contact the LAPD Detective I met with at the WLA station now three weeks ago to see where things stand. I realize the "wheels of justice" turn mighty slow, but I would think in nearly a months time someone from the Districts Attorneys office would have at least confirmed that they have the report, my evidence, and my desire to pursue legal action against this person, but no. The Detective did indicated that he would pass the info along, and did feel that based on the evidence (my verbal, written, photographic, and video evidence, along with a verbal report from at least 6 others of the horse riders actions that day) the DA would be interested in some action.
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    Quote Originally Posted by El Salt View Post
    Well (anything come of this?), I can tell you, the incidents one month "anniversary" is tomorrow Aug 4th. And, with nothing from the DA, not a courtesy phone call or email, I still feel that I can not post any of the evidence, etc. Come Monday I will re-contact the LAPD Detective I met with at the WLA station now three weeks ago to see where things stand. I realize the "wheels of justice" turn mighty slow, but I would think in nearly a months time someone from the Districts Attorneys office would have at least confirmed that they have the report, my evidence, and my desire to pursue legal action against this person, but no. The Detective did indicated that he would pass the info along, and did feel that based on the evidence (my verbal, written, photographic, and video evidence, along with a verbal report from at least 6 others of the horse riders actions that day) the DA would be interested in some action.
    Good luck. LAPD is worthless. The best way to get them interested is to find an angle where they can generate some money. Maybe her horse is missing some sort of license or registration and they can fine her for that. The monetary gain vs. the actual work they would have to do for arresting someone assaulting a biker is not worth their time. You're not in the hospital, so they can avoid having to do anything. I'm moving soon and glad to be out.

    (Edit: So no one takes this the wrong way, I'm not blaming any policeman, it's the local governments priorities/culture. Based on what everyone has said about this lady I hope I'm wrong and something is done about her.)
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    Again, I feel it is not right (or even legal?) to post much, but I will say I've met with the City Attorneys office mid August. Since that meeting I've been told that "the horse lady" and her "attorney" will be present at a hearing with the City Attorney, but that a date has not been scheduled.

    The wheels of justice sure do turn slowly, its now coming up on 2 months since the incident.
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    Is she allowed back on the trails? Has anyone seen her?

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    the wicked witch is gone.

    still could not believe a lady riding alone in the wilderness would have the audacity to talk to people like that.

    some of the countries I have lived in, bad bad things would have happened her (in those places even if she was a nice lady, still just is not safe for a lady to go wandering around the wilderness like that - but talking to people like that? blew my mind).

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    Never seen her, usually out there in the AM. The most sound advice that has been said here is to not say anything and move on.

    Do I care if someone is pissed at me?

    No. I'm having fun riding my bike.

    Am I out there to set the record straight?

    No. No. I'm having fun riding my bike.

    Are we going to all come together in some hippie tra-la-la nonsense?

    No. I'm having fun riding my bike.

    I've been in confrontations with horse people, runners, hikers, and other bikers. Just the other week I was told to slow down by another cyclist. You want understanding, sure we all do, but it is simply not worth your time. Just get upset over something that you can't control.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rev106 View Post
    Never seen her, usually out there in the AM. The most sound advice that has been said here is to not say anything and move on.

    Do I care if someone is pissed at me?

    No. I'm having fun riding my bike.

    Am I out there to set the record straight?

    No. No. I'm having fun riding my bike.

    Are we going to all come together in some hippie tra-la-la nonsense?

    No. I'm having fun riding my bike.

    I've been in confrontations with horse people, runners, hikers, and other bikers. Just the other week I was told to slow down by another cyclist. You want understanding, sure we all do, but it is simply not worth your time. Just get upset over something that you can't control.
    So what you're saying is that only your experience counts? Nice. And this is why people organize and complain about mountain bikers and trail access gets threatened. You might want to think a little bit about the consequences of your actions.

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    the lady on the white horse (if you ran into her you know what im talking about)

    Quote Originally Posted by rev106 View Post
    Never seen her, usually out there in the AM. The most sound advice that has been said here is to not say anything and move on.

    Do I care if someone is pissed at me?

    No. I'm having fun riding my bike.

    Am I out there to set the record straight?

    No. No. I'm having fun riding my bike.

    Are we going to all come together in some hippie tra-la-la nonsense?

    No. I'm having fun riding my bike.

    I've been in confrontations with horse people, runners, hikers, and other bikers. Just the other week I was told to slow down by another cyclist. You want understanding, sure we all do, but it is simply not worth your time. Just get upset over something that you can't control.
    I don't know you, per se, but I imagine this is very much the worldview of a complete and utter a-hole.

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    NO tard face, that is not what I meant, but you can read it that way if you want. I'm not out there to change anyone's mind. I'm not on a crusade, in fact the less people on trails the better, this includes other cyclists. People will not like what you do even if you're being nice as was seen and viewed in the video that was posted. So don't bother. And thanks "dad" I've given it a lot of thought and I'm not doing anything wrong (was that implied? no.), not looking for a confrontation with this lady like some people on here espoused to be doing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2TurnersNotEnough View Post
    So what you're saying is that only your experience counts? Nice. And this is why people organize and complain about mountain bikers and trail access gets threatened. You might want to think a little bit about the consequences of your actions.
    Where did you get that from? Like he said, the best thing to do is absolutely nothing and just go about your riding. These types of people are looking to get a rise out of you. It really chaps their ass when you just ignore them. And there's nothing better then chapin' some dumb ass when you have done nothing wrong. It's one of life's simple pleasures!

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    Quote Originally Posted by rev106 View Post
    Do I care if someone is pissed at me?

    No. I'm having fun riding my bike.

    Am I out there to set the record straight?

    No. No. I'm having fun riding my bike.

    Are we going to all come together in some hippie tra-la-la nonsense?

    No. I'm having fun riding my bike.
    lol nice little jingle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Cycle Shawn View Post
    Where did you get that from? Like he said, the best thing to do is absolutely nothing and just go about your riding. These types of people are looking to get a rise out of you. It really chaps their ass when you just ignore them. And there's nothing better then chapin' some dumb ass when you have done nothing wrong. It's one of life's simple pleasures!
    It really is nice when you can afford the luxury of ignoring them. But that luxury disappears when you find out that those same haters have gotten some serious leverage over the authorities who control access to the trails you ride, while your'e just ignoring them. When they close those trails to bikes, and armed rangers begin ticketing you, do you just ignore them, too?

    That's when the reality hits you square in the face, and I don't think that you or anybody else here would be able to 'just ignore them'.
    In case you hadn't guessed, once those people whose threats you just ignored have succeeded in getting you banned from using the trails, it ain't that easy to get them opened back up again.

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    In case you haven't read the thread, we aren't talking about people who are getting us banned from the trails. We are talking, here, about one crazy ass ***** on a horse.

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    There was a time if you had an automobile you had to pull over and shut it down for the horse to pass. As in this old law from Pennsylvania. " If a motorist sees a horse coming down the road, the driver must pull off to the side of the road and cover the vehicle with canvas. If the horse is still scared the driver must get out of his car and take it apart until the horse isn't scared any more."

    Can you imagine that?!?! Lol fortunately here in CT where I live we don't see to many horses on the trails but we do see dogs that will give chase cause their owner feels the dog should be free. Went hiking yesterday with the GF cause she doesn't ride a bike and we came face to face with a very agitated Akita . Luckily the owner wasn't too far behind cause I'd of shot it if it attacked me or the GF
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Cycle Shawn View Post
    In case you haven't read the thread, we aren't talking about people who are getting us banned from the trails. We are talking, here, about one crazy ass ***** on a horse.
    My bad. In my case, I tend to assume that crazy ass **** on horses are also the usual suspects behind getting bikes banned from trails, when they're not busy being crazy-assed *****. It's certainly the case where I live and ride.

    Do you assume that they are not?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Cycle Shawn View Post
    In case you haven't read the thread, we aren't talking about people who are getting us banned from the trails. We are talking, here, about one crazy ass ***** on a horse.
    I can't believe I'm going to say this (and it pains me to do so) . . . but I agree with MCS. This thread is not the place to debate trail access issues. This thread is about a lunatic on a horse.

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    My bad. In my case, I tend to assume that crazy ass **** on horses are also the usual suspects behind getting bikes banned from trails, when they're not busy being crazy-assed *****. It's certainly the case where I live and ride.

    Do you assume that they are not?
    I DO agree with you that these are the same people who are often involved with revoking trail access to user-groups such as bikers. However, thats not what's happening in this thread, and I've never heard any such notion mentioned that this is a possibility in Sullivan.

    Lets ALSO remember what El Salt has said about the investigation . . . a) its on going and b) the authorities have a link to this thread. Whether or not they use the information is beyond me. But lets not derail this thread and get carried away from the main point - which is keeping unstable people off the trails.
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    I can't believe I'm going to say this (and it pains me to do so) . . . but I agree with MCS. This thread is not the place to debate trail access issues. This thread is about a lunatic on a horse.



    I DO agree with you that these are the same people who are often involved with revoking trail access to user-groups such as bikers. However, thats not what's happening in this thread, and I've never heard any such notion mentioned that this is a possibility in Sullivan.

    Lets ALSO remember what El Salt has said about the investigation . . . a) its on going and b) the authorities have a link to this thread. Whether or not they use the information is beyond me. But lets not derail this thread and get carried away from the main point - which is keeping unstable people off the trails.
    OK, I get your points, guys. I have a tendency to conflate one thing with another. Not quite paranoia, but close......

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    My bad. In my case, I tend to assume that crazy ass **** on horses are also the usual suspects behind getting bikes banned from trails, when they're not busy being crazy-assed *****. It's certainly the case where I live and ride.

    Do you assume that they are not?
    Not in this case, but I see your point.

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    I can't believe I'm going to say this (and it pains me to do so) . . . but I agree with MCS. This thread is not the place to debate trail access issues. This thread is about a lunatic on a horse.
    Come on man, I'm not that bad of a guy.

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    Was out there yesterday. Only people at the bottom of squirrel cage was a family of three and a dog. The youngest one asked me, "How was the 'cage?" I said, "Loose and scary as usual!"

    ...and we were on our way. I wish people could just chill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by El Salt View Post
    Again, I feel it is not right (or even legal?) to post much, but I will say I've met with the City Attorneys office mid August. Since that meeting I've been told that "the horse lady" and her "attorney" will be present at a hearing with the City Attorney, but that a date has not been scheduled.

    The wheels of justice sure do turn slowly, its now coming up on 2 months since the incident.
    I'm pretty sure this thread will go "back on track" once the still pictures, the video, the police report, (and whatever I'm allowed to share from my meeting with the city attorney) and the final outcome is shared. Right now this is still an active case being investigated.

    rev106, I think you will realize that this issue was more than just some pissed runner / hiker / horse back rider, etc. once you are able to learn the full story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray Raton View Post
    OK, I get your points, guys. I have a tendency to conflate one thing with another. Not quite paranoia, but close......
    Well, there's nothing wrong with being vigilant! Take a trip to Marin or San Mateo counties (or Del Mar or Auburn or the Sierras, etc.) sometime. Even though there's some fun riding around, elitist horse folks and hikers have banned cyclists from many trails and parks. Crazy equines also tend to be rich, well-connected people that will rally their cronies at public meetings. I hope this particular one gets smited hard! Thanks, El Salt, for keeping us updated.

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    ^ It's already been pointed out, at least once, that this is not the topic of this thread. The topic here is one crazy vitch that is going overboard.

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    Set to guitar, xylophone, or kazoo?

    Bongos would do. "Beatnik" bongos that is....

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    You need to post your evidence right now. It is obvious the pigs have no intention of doing anything about this. Post all your crazy photos and videos up in the hope they will go viral forcing the police to do something about it. You have to hold the cops accountable just like crazy horse lady.

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    You need to post your evidence right now. It is obvious the pigs have no intention of doing anything about this. Post all your crazy photos and videos up in the hope they will go viral forcing the police to do something about it. You have to hold the cops accountable just like crazy horse lady.
    That might work, but on the other hand, it might backfire. Cops are always looking for an excuse to not do any work. The accountability thing is to cops like garlic to a vampire.

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    ............ It is obvious the pigs have no intention of doing anything about this.............
    The 70's called, they want their euphemism back.

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    they already aren't taking action, what could it hurt? There would have been a warrant for her arrest issued within 48 hours had they done the least bit of follow up. Make them look ineffective in public and you'll get some attention on the issue.

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    they already aren't taking action, what could it hurt? There would have been a warrant for her arrest issued within 48 hours had they done the least bit of follow up. Make them look ineffective in public and you'll get some attention on the issue.
    I guess you haven't heard of the cops + retribution, eh? Oh yeah.... they exist to "Protect and Serve". Ah, what a virtual Utopia...

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    Well (deep breath), it seems we all may be dead by the time anything comes of this. The wheels of justice really do turn slowly. Me, being the fine upstanding citizen that I am, have never had any real interaction with the police or court system, so all of this is new to me.

    Again, the PD / Detectives, the City Attorney, and I assume the "Horse Ladies" attorney, have the link to this URL / forum, so I won't say too much.

    Nearly four weeks ago (August 27, 2013), I spoke with the City Attorneys office via telephone, this 2 weeks after meeting with them at the LAX Court House, for an update. At that time I was told that the "accused" and her attorney would be meeting with the City Attorney at a hearing, but that it had not yet been scheduled.

    Today, now four weeks later I called to see if there was any update. I was told that they [City Attorneys office] were still waiting to meet with the accused and her attorney. I asked if there was any time frame, any "statute of limitations" on this. I was told they [her attorney] have up to ONE YEAR to schedule and attend this meeting. And, that I would be informed of the outcome sometime after that meeting.

    So, once again, being the "good guy" and not wanting to screw anything up, I feel I can't post real names, any of the official documents I have, or any of the photographs or video. Though trust me I will, regardless of the final outcome.

    Keep this in mind, if you see the "Horse Lady", no punishment or restrictions have been placed on her. Right now, as ___________ as she is, she can legally travel any of the trails that are open to horses. I highly suggest carrying a camera of some sort when you ride in the SM's. The main reason this case has made it into the legal system is the photos and video, plus the witness reports made at the time of the indecent by other trail users that saw what happened.
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    I think the words you're looking for is phucked up! If there's video, pictures and witnesses, they'll wait out the year and end up pleading to a much lesser charge, unfortunately.

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    Quote Originally Posted by El Salt View Post
    Well (deep breath), it seems we all may be dead by the time anything comes of this. The wheels of justice really do turn slowly. Me, being the fine upstanding citizen that I am, have never had any real interaction with the police or court system, so all of this is new to me.

    Again, the PD / Detectives, the City Attorney, and I assume the "Horse Ladies" attorney, have the link to this URL / forum, so I won't say too much.

    Nearly four weeks ago (August 27, 2013), I spoke with the City Attorneys office via telephone, this 2 weeks after meeting with them at the LAX Court House, for an update. At that time I was told that the "accused" and her attorney would be meeting with the City Attorney at a hearing, but that it had not yet been scheduled.

    Today, now four weeks later I called to see if there was any update. I was told that they [City Attorneys office] were still waiting to meet with the accused and her attorney. I asked if there was any time frame, any "statute of limitations" on this. I was told they [her attorney] have up to ONE YEAR to schedule and attend this meeting. And, that I would be informed of the outcome sometime after that meeting.

    So, once again, being the "good guy" and not wanting to screw anything up, I feel I can't post real names, any of the official documents I have, or any of the photographs or video. Though trust me I will, regardless of the final outcome.

    Keep this in mind, if you see the "Horse Lady", no punishment or restrictions have been placed on her. Right now, as ___________ as she is, she can legally travel any of the trails that are open to horses. I highly suggest carrying a camera of some sort when you ride in the SM's. The main reason this case has made it into the legal system is the photos and video, plus the witness reports made at the time of the indecent by other trail users that saw what happened.
    More than likely, it's not only being the "good guy" to not post her name, pic, etc. but also the legally prudent thing to do. Since no trial or charges or anything have been made, she could sue you for doing that. Pretty screwed up, but that is how the legal system often inadvertently protects the predators in our society.

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    Quote Originally Posted by El Salt View Post
    So, once again, being the "good guy" and not wanting to screw anything up, I feel I can't post real names, any of the official documents I have, or any of the photographs or video. Though trust me I will, regardless of the final outcome.
    I'm interested to know why you think posting up your information (especially a video) will hurt this case. It seems to me that in our age of social networking and on-line media, evidence of crime or general douchbaggery posted on the internet gets more attention from citizens and media- pushing for quicker response from the government.

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    Quote Originally Posted by michaelscott View Post
    I'm interested to know why you think posting up your information (especially a video) will hurt this case. It seems to me that in our age of social networking and on-line media, evidence of crime or general douchbaggery posted on the internet gets more attention from citizens and media- pushing for quicker response from the government.
    Exactly my point, the squeaky wheel gets the grease. If no one makes a stink it will be quietly swept under the rug.

    Give me the videos and I'll post them up, I dare her to sue me for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray Raton View Post
    More than likely, it's not only being the "good guy" to not post her name, pic, etc. but also the legally prudent thing to do. Since no trial or charges or anything have been made, she could sue you for doing that. Pretty screwed up, but that is how the legal system often inadvertently protects the predators in our society.
    Exactly what I am thinking, though I really don't know. I'm happy that at this point I myself do not need an attorney. Based on the evidence, the report of FIVE police officers (two patrol cars with two officers each and a Sargent in her own car) that were involved, the 5 (that I know of) adult witnesses outside of my own riding party, the investigation of the evidence by a Detective at LAPD WLA (that I met with), and my visit and meeting with an official at the LA City Attorneys office (LAX Court), THEY are looking to prosecute in some form this person for their actions upon me and others that day - July 4, 2013.

    What does get me is that it would, or could take this long to get to the bottom of it. Google around a bit, you'll find that this "Horse Lady" is not only mentioned here on MTBR but elsewhere in public / social media.
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    Quote Originally Posted by musikron View Post
    Exactly my point, the squeaky wheel gets the grease. If no one makes a stink it will be quietly swept under the rug.
    I hear ya (squeaky wheel! LOL), but I have too much time invested now. A trip to LAPD WLA Division, a trip to the LAX court house, phone calls to each, phone calls to the rangers in the SM patrol area, written documents, electronic and printed photographs, etc. So, because of this I DO plan to keep after this. I surely don't want anything I do to jeopardize the outcome, and be a waste my time and effort. And, beyond this I don't want, or have the means financially to retain a lawyer for myself.

    Many of you know what she looks like. Some of you have had run-ins with her, and if you dig a little you can find images / video on the web of her.

    Suffice it to say, the woman was using her (2) horses in an incredibly dangerous manor, intending them to kick with their hind legs a cyclist, dismounted her horse and kicked at a cyclist, ran other trail users (outside of my group) off the trail more than once using two horses, and then verbal threatened death in no uncertain words to a cyclist. All of this captured in photographs and or video. There are several other bits of "evidence" that I am privy to that I really can't divulge until this goes farther.
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    Salt, I think you're doing the right thing. It may take time, but it sounds as though there is ample evidence against the individual in question that it can't be ignored.
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    Sure takes a long azz time. Too bad for the b that El Salt has the "receipts", sounds like she is finally going to get a full reimbursement for all her actions
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    Salt, I think you're doing the right thing. It may take time, but it sounds as though there is ample evidence against the individual in question that it can't be ignored.
    +100 Ditto.

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    lol funny when I started this thread I never expected it to go this way

    I expected a few sympathetic f-that ***** type responses and then for the thread to vanish.

    now it has a life of its own.

    on the very plus side I have not seen her once since the "incident", and previous to that I musta run into her at least 20 times minimum

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    Quote Originally Posted by jasonjm View Post
    lol funny when I started this thread I never expected it to go this way

    I expected a few sympathetic f-that ***** type responses and then for the thread to vanish.

    now it has a life of its own.

    on the very plus side I have not seen her once since the "incident", and previous to that I musta run into her at least 20 times minimum
    I'm sure her attorney has warned her to stay low till its all over.
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    I think I've seen her once and I think it was shortly after this incident.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kdiff View Post
    I think I've seen her once and I think it was shortly after this incident.
    I did as well, and it was definitely within the month of July. Never saw her after that.
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    Any pics of this lady? I ride santa monica a couple days a week and would like to know what this menace looks like in case we meet, been riding here for 10years and have never seen her.
    nothing witty here...

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2w4s View Post
    Any pics of this lady? I ride santa monica a couple days a week and would like to know what this menace looks like in case we meet, been riding here for 10years and have never seen her.
    View this: Jedi Plunge - Squirrel Cage Video - Pinkbike

    Not my video, and not me in the video. The link is from earlier in this thread. Begin viewing at 6:20.
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    I was riding down sullivan canyon yesterday after noon and had just turned onto one of the the entrances to the single track that follows the canyon. I heard what I thought was a car or something but it was a lady on a white horse galloping full blast up the canyon. I was very lucky to have just cut onto the single track because if not, she could have run right over me and done some serious damage. Surly horse riders aren't meant to be galloping full blast around there, as there are loads of hikers and mtn bikers on that trail???

    I spoke to 2 other riders on the trail and asked if they saw her. They said, they were on the single track too, and that she saw them and shouted something at them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by El Salt View Post
    View this: Jedi Plunge - Squirrel Cage Video - Pinkbike

    Not my video, and not me in the video. The link is from earlier in this thread. Begin viewing at 6:20.

    wow, thanks for the link. all i can say is with that attitude she's going to mess with the wrong person or kill/injure somebody.
    nothing witty here...

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    Quote Originally Posted by El Salt View Post
    View this: Jedi Plunge - Squirrel Cage Video - Pinkbike

    Not my video, and not me in the video. The link is from earlier in this thread. Begin viewing at 6:20.
    I am still blown away by how calm and respectful that guy was to her..... major props again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mmtt View Post
    I was riding down sullivan canyon yesterday after noon and had just turned onto one of the the entrances to the single track that follows the canyon. I heard what I thought was a car or something but it was a lady on a white horse galloping full blast up the canyon. I was very lucky to have just cut onto the single track because if not, she could have run right over me and done some serious damage. Surly horse riders aren't meant to be galloping full blast around there, as there are loads of hikers and mtn bikers on that trail???

    I spoke to 2 other riders on the trail and asked if they saw her. They said, they were on the single track too, and that she saw them and shouted something at them.
    Shouldn't you call the police. I would think all of this behavior needs to be documented. It's not likely that the police/DA will ever do anything but in the rare chance something is done I would think it would make their job easier. (Sorry for the typos, I'm on my phone.)

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    I was riding down sullivan canyon yesterday after noon and had just turned onto one of the the entrances to the single track that follows the canyon. I heard what I thought was a car or something but it was a lady on a white horse galloping full blast up the canyon. I was very lucky to have just cut onto the single track because if not, she could have run right over me and done some serious damage. Surly horse riders aren't meant to be galloping full blast around there, as there are loads of hikers and mtn bikers on that trail???

    I spoke to 2 other riders on the trail and asked if they saw her. They said, they were on the single track too, and that she saw them and shouted something at them.

    So, she's STILL out there, running loose. Amazing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by El Salt View Post
    Well (deep breath), it seems we all may be dead by the time anything comes of this. The wheels of justice really do turn slowly. Me, being the fine upstanding citizen that I am, have never had any real interaction with the police or court system, so all of this is new to me.

    Again, the PD / Detectives, the City Attorney, and I assume the "Horse Ladies" attorney, have the link to this URL / forum, so I won't say too much.

    Nearly four weeks ago (August 27, 2013), I spoke with the City Attorneys office via telephone, this 2 weeks after meeting with them at the LAX Court House, for an update. At that time I was told that the "accused" and her attorney would be meeting with the City Attorney at a hearing, but that it had not yet been scheduled.

    Today, now four weeks later I called to see if there was any update. I was told that they [City Attorneys office] were still waiting to meet with the accused and her attorney. I asked if there was any time frame, any "statute of limitations" on this. I was told they [her attorney] have up to ONE YEAR to schedule and attend this meeting. And, that I would be informed of the outcome sometime after that meeting.

    So, once again, being the "good guy" and not wanting to screw anything up, I feel I can't post real names, any of the official documents I have, or any of the photographs or video. Though trust me I will, regardless of the final outcome.

    Keep this in mind, if you see the "Horse Lady", no punishment or restrictions have been placed on her. Right now, as ___________ as she is, she can legally travel any of the trails that are open to horses. I highly suggest carrying a camera of some sort when you ride in the SM's. The main reason this case has made it into the legal system is the photos and video, plus the witness reports made at the time of the indecent by other trail users that saw what happened.
    Keep at it, man. I had a similar incident where I was attacked by this homeowner while I was walking through the Hollywood Hills...the guy said I was on a private street, but it actually wasn't and he's been doing this to people for several years. Fortunately, I had some witnesses and amazingly found a YouTube video of the guy doing the same thing to someone else.

    Even when I filed the report the police were trying to convince me not to do it. I filed a police report, followed up so so so so so many times with the police and the city attorney's office. I basically did all of the investigative work for them. After 4 months, I finally managed to get the City Attorney to tell me that they actually had my file, and it took several more months before he was even arraigned, and a few more months after that before the trial was set to start. Of course, he ended up pleading no contest and got his punishment. All in all, it took almost a year. I was extremely frustrated with the system, but really happy at the outcome in the end, So don't give up hope!

    I think you're doing to the right thing by not disclosing names, etc., because the defense will use anything they can to discredit you. Just keep plugging along. Don't get frustrated by it and think of it as a job.

    Also, I don't know if you've done this already, but try to get the name of the City Attorney that's working the case and/or his supervisor. I found that talking to them was the most useful thing.

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    ...get the name of the City Attorney that's working the case and/or his supervisor. I found that talking to them was the most useful thing.
    Well, I'm not sure if the case has been assigned to an attorney per se, but I have met with, at their office and have had telephone conversations with a "Hearing Officer" at the City of Los Angeles LAX court house.

    I agree with everything else you are saying, obviously.
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    Well, I'm not sure if the case has been assigned to an attorney per se, but I have met with, at their office and have had telephone conversations with a "Hearing Officer" at the City of Los Angeles LAX court house.

    I agree with everything else you are saying, obviously.
    Sound like you might be heading down a different path than my case went down. I just saw this link, which provides some more info. about what a hearing officer does: City Attorney Hearing | Stephen G. Rodriguez & Partners | Criminal Defense Attorney in Los Angeles, CA. Based on this site, it looks like the hearing is a way to potentially get around formal criminal prosecution, almost like a mediation or preliminary hearing. It does say that failure of the defendant to attend the case will lead to formal prosecution, so the one-year limit they told you about may be the time the lady has to agree to the hearing, not when the statute of limitations runs. Anyway, good luck!

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    I was riding down sullivan canyon yesterday after noon and had just turned onto one of the the entrances to the single track that follows the canyon. I heard what I thought was a car or something but it was a lady on a white horse galloping full blast up the canyon. I was very lucky to have just cut onto the single track because if not, she could have run right over me and done some serious damage. Surly horse riders aren't meant to be galloping full blast around there, as there are loads of hikers and mtn bikers on that trail???

    I spoke to 2 other riders on the trail and asked if they saw her. They said, they were on the single track too, and that she saw them and shouted something at them.
    Assuming you are telling the truth, and I have no reason not to believe you, I'd encourage you to contact El Salt via PM and ask him for the contact information of one of the investigators assigned to this case, as EVERY incident at this point is very important to document. Alternatively, straight up calling the police would also achieve a similar effect, but perhaps not as prompt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 007 View Post
    Assuming you are telling the truth, and I have no reason not to believe you, I'd encourage you to contact El Salt via PM and ask him for the contact information of one of the investigators assigned to this case, as EVERY incident at this point is very important to document. Alternatively, straight up calling the police would also achieve a similar effect, but perhaps not as prompt.
    + 1 on this, plus I also think LowLow's suggestion to consider this like a "job" is good.....just think of it as "Community Service"! It really IS a service that your'e doing, you know...

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    This woman has all the hallmarks of being a direct descendant of the Wicked Witch in the Wizard of OZ. Throw water on her next time. Bet she melts.

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    And she will be until she is held accountable for her actions. Which she obviously will not be. Post the videos to social media, let it go "viral", and pressure the DA into doing something.

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    I'm sure a civil suit will slow her down. It can only be a matter of time before someone goes after her.

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    Saw a worker putting up a sign for bikers not to go down the horse trail next to Queensferry. Should have stopped a taken a picture but wanted to keep on riding.

    Sign said nothing about hikers.

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    Bummer. Been riding horse trail for 10 years. No-one is ever on it - you can't even ride horses on it as the tree canopy is too low in places...wonder why they suddenly want to close it to bikes and on whose authority.

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    It is a bummer. Very rarely do I see anyone else on that trail. Although every once in a while I hear distance voices yelling about hikers or some such nonsense.

    Unlike the utility workers I have seen up at the Nike tower and gas company guys in the canyon, the worker had no official uniform or decals on the work truck that I could see. I'm guessing it was his truck since it was parked 5 feet from the gate at Queensferry. He looked like an average handy man with plain clothes and a hat.

    The only official looking thing was the sign telling bikers not to do this and that. this and that.

    Man, I should of asked who hired him to put up the sign.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bbbrad View Post
    and on whose authority.
    Given LA's rich history of entitled aholes putting up fake signs, I wouldn't be surprised if it was on no one's authority.
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    The only thing I can think of in regard to horsetrail being closed is that it DOES deposit you onto a private road.

    Either way, that sucks . . . that's a fun little section of trail.
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    Hope this isn't to far off topic from the main point of this thread.

    So in my limited google search, I found this link

    Have Fun and Enjoy the Canyons! | Brentwood Community Council

    here is a paragraph from the link dated 11.29.2012

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    2. Sullivan Canyon can be reached from the end of Old Ranch Road or from Queensferry Road. This property actually belongs to Southern California Gas Company, but they are very nice about allowing the neighbors to use it for recreational purposes. There is a small branch of the LA River system that runs through the canyon, so it feels like a different ecosystem—sort of east coast. The trees are typical riparian woodland and many are deciduous. It is very shaded and cool, even in the summer. If you keep your eyes open you might see the big swing in the clearing on your right.
    "

    Can anyone confirm that So Cal gas owns this land also?

    I don't recall seeing any signs that Old Ranch Rd is private.
    I do remember passing some white horses boarded on Old Ranch Rd.

    And just to reiterate, the sign guy had no So Cal Gas emblems on him or his truck.

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    The land is definitely owned by the gas company, no question about that. And Old Ranch Road IS private. Signs are clearly posted as you enter off of Sunset.
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    A private road just means the public is not responsible for maintaining it and that it doesn't have to meet the standards of a public way. It doesn't mean exclusivity. Public access is still allowed.

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