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    La Costa Trail Day

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    January the 19th, a Saturday, at 8:00am we will meet at the corner of Corte Romero and Camino Junipero. From there we will walk to a site on the mtn and open up a brand new trail. At the same time we will rehab an old trail that has become rutted and is 8-6 feet wide. It has become unsustainable and wider by the day. CNLM has given the go ahead to put that trail to bed and open up a new trail. I hope I see alot of the usual trail users. We have our work cut out for us. Don't waste the opportunity to enhance your local trail. When we are done it will be time to try out the new trail. There should be enough tools between the SDMBA MTN BIKE CLUB and CNLM to keep everyone busy.
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    Great news!
    Hope to see a lot of old friends there!
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    Quote Originally Posted by taffy15
    Hello Everyone
    January the 19th, a Saturday, at 8:00am we will meet at the corner of Corte Romero and Camino Junipero. From there we will walk to a site on the mtn and open up a brand new trail. At the same time we will rehab an old trail that has become rutted and is 8-6 feet wide. It has become unsustainable and wider by the day. CNLM has given the go ahead to put that trail to bed and open up a new trail. I hope I see alot of the usual trail users. We have our work cut out for us. Don't waste the opportunity to enhance your local trail. When we are done it will be time to try out the new trail. There should be enough tools between the SDMBA MTN BIKE CLUB and CNLM to keep everyone busy.
    Thanks Taffy15
    from this thread: That's going to leave a mark - cross post from Passion

    and this comment

    That's going to leave a mark - cross post from Passion

    "For the sake of those of us who ride this trail (daily), please DON"T disclose it's whereabouts! The neighbors already dislike the cars with bike racks.

    I would really hate to see it become overused and or ruined. It's great having a neighborhood trail. (I am spoiled and I admit it.)

    Please don't spoil it by disclosing where it is..... kind of like the Penasquitos Tunnel Trail.

    PS: This trail rocks.

    bikerneil["

    shouldn't we be keeping this trail secret? I mean, it is in his backyard and he doesn't seem to want to share it with anybody. My god, publishing directions to trailwork just might alert people to a legal trail to ride on!

    Okay, all kidding aside I will plan on attending. This is my lunchtime ride from work so I will do what I can to get the morning off and head to the trail for some much needed love.

    Thanks for the heads up Taffy.

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    I will be there. The biggest thing that needs to be resolved is parking. I think the access road along the powerline right of way should be opened up for parking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtbbill
    I will be there. The biggest thing that needs to be resolved is parking. I think the access road along the powerline right of way should be opened up for parking.

    <a href="http://www.mountainbikebill.com/blog">My cut on publishing a trail or not.</a>
    I agree with the parking issue. At least open the gates for the day.

    Hey mtbbill, after reading your "publishing" article I disagree with this statement..

    "...I believe, on average, the folks on the bigger rigs cause more of the trail issues on those types of trails because compared to your average XC rider, they can go faster with the same skill level..."

    Generally, "bigger rig" (6"+ travel and up), riders are more experienced riders. They know how to control speed, and "finesse/modulate" the brakes as to not cause skidding. "Skidding" is very inefficient. I spoke with a trail builder and he stated that the "skidders" he's seen out there were mostly the inexperienced "hardtail" riders. A good indicator is "How much dust/powder/dirt is kicked up on the descent".

    IMHO, the cause of "trail issues" are improperly installed and improperly maintained trails.

    BTW: This is a totally legal trail network.
    The sad reality is, as the "illegal" trails are closed down, the legal trails will experience more user traffic. I'm not gonna give up riding altogether if land owners or whomever, shut down a trail network that I use often. This sport is pretty darn addictive!
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    Trail Day

    I was not even thinking about broadcasting this trail to the universe but rather getting the word out to all the locals that the 1/19/08 is the work day. Mudd is right about there has been so many closures the existing trails are bearing the brunt of the work load. The person he refers to concerning skidiots is me. I have been out building trails for quite awhile now and I have witnessed the smoothest sweetest riding from full suspension all mtn 6" bikers. The most skidding as I have seen it is from hardtails trying to use the same dh lines. The new bike technology does allow a rider to ride more intelligently. Anyhow thanks for saying you will be there. I will ask about the gates. The problem with the powerline road is that it is on private property. The utility company got permission to run their towers there but the land is private for now. The guy that owns it is planning to build there but with the down turn in housing it won't be right away. The property lines can be gone over on the 19th. The local residents should gripe to much about us parking there if you are just off the grassy area. Their property values totally benefit from that open space complete with trails free of HOAs. AND there are a lot of them that ride and hike there. I meet them everyday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mudd

    Hey mtbbill, after reading your "publishing" article I disagree with this statement..

    "...I believe, on average, the folks on the bigger rigs cause more of the trail issues on those types of trails because compared to your average XC rider, they can go faster with the same skill level..."
    Okay.....Not trying to hijack the thread, but you have to look at the whole article. The types of trails I was talking about and the caveats I place about generalizations. My statements could be absolutely false. It is however what I seen on those specific types of trails and it is what I believe.

    As the article related to this thread, La Costa is what I would call a sensitive trail system. It is a legal trail system, but there is a bit of resident - user conflict occuring because the trailhead parking is simply the side of the street on a cul-de-sac. I totally see the residents point of view, if I lived there I might not like a string of strangers coming up and down my cul-de sac, even if I knew that were fine upstanding mountain bikers like we all are

    So I have chosen not to publish this trail until some better options for parking can be figured out as I don't want to contribute to increasing the conflict. It does not neccessarily have to be a city authorized parking as that could take a long time. If we as users of the trail network could come up with a better place to park, I would publish the trail with that parking recommendation.

    My first choice would be a dirt area off of the powerline access road.

    I think in the interim parking along the road and the dead-end of Camino Junipero would work.

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    I love this trail

    Yes, I am the person that wrote requesting that this trail be kept secret - I guess I am a bad guy for doing that. Oh well. I stand by my request that this trail's location not be broadcast to the entire world - at least until a few things (like parking) get cleared up. I am on this trail frequently and I do more than my share of trail maintenance. I happen to love the hill and I really hope it does not get ruined. I still consider it more of a "neighborhood ride" than a "destination ride". When parking is created and the neighbors accept the increased traffic load on the trail then I will be the first one to advertise where it is. Until then I will continue to ride it frequently hoping that overuse, and motorcycle riders, don't close it down anytime soon.

    I do know the neighbors have successfully banded together to get changes made in the area. They campaigned together when kids were driving pickup trucks on the fire road that is entered off Sitio Salvia - and they got a gate installed. They recently complained loudly about mud being tracked in to their neighborhood and they got tons of rock and gravel added to the area around the gate off Sitio Salvia. I just don't want their next target to be closing down the trail. I know they HATE the one or two motorcycles that frequent the trail. Many of them walk the trail daily and some of them bike the trails as well.

    PS: Parking at the dead end of Camino Junipero helps.

    Also - did you clear it with the land owner to proceed through on the 19th? I have heard this lady has recently become absolutely irate with the whole issue......

    See you out there someday yetirider! I am on my green mojo.
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    I want to thank Taffy for all his work. I plan to attend this trail work day -- I enjoyed the one last spring. While this area may not be known real widely, it's no secret either. It is a legal, marked trail system. An eagle scout recently installed a kiosk and benches at the top! I've been riding it fairly often on weekends, and I never would've guessed there was a parking issue. There are only houses on one side of the street. The other side abutting the preserve is always open. There's usually no more than half a dozen cars or so parked along there. Three or four by the trailhead, and a few down the street. I usually park just after turning in, where there are no houses on either side of the street. Whoever lives right across from the main trailhead entrance has mtn bikes in their garage, and I see cars & trucks with bike racks. It's pretty much a yuppie neighborhood with lots of bicycles, runners, hikers. We always greet the residents when we see them, and have never received anything but a friendly response. Same with hikers on the trails. It is true that all that could change with a large influx of riders, particularly if they were rude or damage the trails, but I don't see that happening from a trail work notice. I don't want to see crowds, internet spray, and videos everywhere, but I see nothing wrong with discussing this trail.

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    Right to Proceed

    Yes we are clear to proceed on the 19th and you have the property owners mixed up. It was a Mrs Perkins who was absolutely irate. At the last trail day she was given a chance to speak. She has property that runs up the southeast side of the mtn and there was an illegal trail built through her land. In days gone by she had ignored infringement on her land. But as the population has grown she has experienced people shooting guns, motorcycles, now mtn bikers, and even had a group of female runners flip her the bird. The utility companies have put powerlines and a water supplyline across her land and the county still makes her pay property taxes on the same. So she is the irate person you have heard about. We will not be crossing her land. Old Dog Dan you have it right on concerning the parking. Things have not become unmanageable ....yet. If you use the immediate turn out next to the grassy area there are no homes. You can then ride up the street or just use the trail head on the corner. Hope to see you there. Maybe an off street lot is in the future but I don't see it happening tommorrow.

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    Can't park on Camino Junipero.
    It's all marked, (ironically): "Bike Lane, No Parking"
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    Yes, that's right. Park on the sides of Corte Romero and Sitio Salvia opposite the houses. The best is on Corte Romero just after entering -- no houses either side for a hundred yards or so. It's legal and shouldn't bother anyone. Then you can ride up the street to enter on Sitio Salvia, and exit on the lower switchbacks that come out to the sidewalk at the corner by your car.

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    I'll be there. Ironically I just purchased a condo over the hill in San Elijo hills. I want to help keep my new backyard ride as good as it can be.

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    Bj we will see you there. And don't hesistate to ask for a trail that goes across the east side of the mtn facing San Elijo Hills. There should be a trail head that has room for parking and brings you up from the San Elijo Hill side. And I am not talking about the fire road coming up from the old dump.Plus there is the unresolved use of the tunnel going under Ranch Santa Fe. We should have official use of the tunnel as well as a proper singletrack connecting La Costa to Box Canyon through the tunnel. We hurt just as bad as deer when hit by a car.

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    I am coming down to La Costa in February. I would love to ride that trail while I am there. Can someone tell me or email me the final trailhead location that you guys decide.

    Also, I want to bike from La Costa resort to trailhead. Is that possible?

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    Quote Originally Posted by merlin1011
    I am coming down to La Costa in February. I would love to ride that trail while I am there. Can someone tell me or email me the final trailhead location that you guys decide.

    Also, I want to bike from La Costa resort to trailhead. Is that possible?
    Hi Merlin,
    I'll send you the trail map. Yes, it's not far at all from the resort. It'll be uphill on the way there, but downhill back to the sauna...!
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    Quote Originally Posted by taffy15
    Bj we will see you there. And don't hesistate to ask for a trail that goes across the east side of the mtn facing San Elijo Hills. There should be a trail head that has room for parking and brings you up from the San Elijo Hill side.
    I'm on high favor of one! I work in the valley just off of San Elijo Hills Road so sometimes I end up riding up the fireroad on the North side of the hill when I don't have enough time to go up and down the South Side. The Fireroad is faster but certainly without much entertainment. It's a way up but it is after all, just a fireroad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by taffy15
    Bj we will see you there. And don't hesistate to ask for a trail that goes across the east side of the mtn facing San Elijo Hills. There should be a trail head that has room for parking and brings you up from the San Elijo Hill side. And I am not talking about the fire road coming up from the old dump.Plus there is the unresolved use of the tunnel going under Ranch Santa Fe. We should have official use of the tunnel as well as a proper singletrack connecting La Costa to Box Canyon through the tunnel. We hurt just as bad as deer when hit by a car.
    Agreed.

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    Possible Corridor

    I spoke with the Lead Ranger from Elfin Forest about the existence of a corridor allowing a trail to connect La Costa and Elfin. He thinks there is a strong possibility it exists. He said the water district already owns a large part of it. So easement rights might be granted on the rest.Two of the head rangers might be at the trail day. That would be a great time to pursue building such a trail.No way should you miss the opportunity to bat around an opportunity like this. If we can put together a project like this I want to create a trail team dedicated to building single track between the two parks. The work at La Costa is demonstrating to me I CAN'T or rather my body shouldn't do it alone. At 54 your body takes more of a hit. Make sure you put the 19th on your calendar. Bring work gloves. We will be making extensive use of the surrounding rock. Bring your girlfriend bring your wife bring the kids. We have to do some planting also. There are a hundred plants and large water bars that have to be built. We will have real biologists/land managers to show us how to plant them correctly. If you get the chance to work next to them don't hesitate to ask them about the tiniest things you see. They are unbelievable sources of interesting knowledge.

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    Sounds good. I'll be dragging some bubbs from another site as well. Should be about 4 of us all together.

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    I don't see the 19th on the SDMBA event calender yet?!
    Go here: http://sdmba.com/index.php?option=co...ate=2008-01-01
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    The Corridor does exist

    Quote Originally Posted by taffy15
    I spoke with the Lead Ranger from Elfin Forest about the existence of a corridor allowing a trail to connect La Costa and Elfin. He thinks there is a strong possibility it exists. He said the water district already owns a large part of it. So easement rights might be granted on the rest.Two of the head rangers might be at the trail day. That would be a great time to pursue building such a trail.No way should you miss the opportunity to bat around an opportunity like this. If we can put together a project like this I want to create a trail team dedicated to building single track between the two parks.

    The corridor does exist, but it needs some debrushing, work and of course a blessing. I have been researching and scouting a connector over the summer. Here are a few pics (sorry no access to my Google Earth stuff at the moment)

    Starting from the Elfin End.
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    The Escondidio Sewer line easment is a bit of double track that runs from end of the single track along the creek at Elfin Forest almost halfway to La Costa. It is nearly flat most of the way. Note the Cielo Trail going down below the dam. At the bottom it cross the dam access road and continues a little further on trail and comes out on Via Ambiente Road. Directly across the road from where it comes out is a trail the was well used prior to the commencement of construction for the dam. It is heavily overgrown right now. The start of that trail is marked as Point C on the next slide.

    <IMG SRC="http://www.mountainbikebill.com/images/misc/Elfin-LaCosta-2.jpg" border="2"> That overgrown trail goes from Point C to Point A. The trail is passable from Point A to where it come out at the junction of Olivehain easment and the Escondido Sewer Easement east east of Point D. The Olivehain easement on this area is brutally steep. Note at Point F is a trail heading off from the Escondido Sewer Easement. This is singletrack that turns into a wider trail after crossing the creek. It is regularly use by the equestrians in the area.

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    On this slide the trail at Point F continues on/alongside some of the streets before coming out on Fortuna Del Este. From there you can roll along the streets to Point H-2.

    From Point D there is some steep grunting to do to get to Point G. From there you can either take the Olivehain easement to H1 or continue on the fireroad to H-2. Either way you are working.

    H-1 to I is a fireroad while H-2 to I is a surface street.

    The road is back to dirt at Point I and you will climb along I -J--K toward some water tanks and the top of a hill. These are the water tanks on the next hill east of the La Costa Hill. They are Point L on the next slide.



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    From Point L you rolling down a fireroad to Point M and on to N. Note from the Point L on, the trails are signned by the CNLM.

    There are a few other options that I have not fully scoped. I think reopening the C to D route would be really cool.

    La Costa to Elfin via the Escondido Sewer Easement with option to return by dropping the Cielo trail and continue on to Point D would be cool.

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    Bill, what's the next step to reclaiming the C to D portion of the trail. Should we discuss this with the proper management bodies?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bjammin
    Bill, what's the next step to reclaiming the C to D portion of the trail. Should we discuss this with the proper management bodies?
    Phone calls are being made, satellites are being repositioned and launch codes are being prepped......Strange things are afoot at the circle K.... More to follow.

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    Taffy, Gary Hill article from 2005..... http://www.nctimes.com/articles/2005..._337_23_05.txt
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mudd
    I don't see the 19th on the SDMBA event calender yet?!
    Go here: http://sdmba.com/index.php?option=co...ate=2008-01-01
    It's there now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gardner
    It's there now.
    Thank you!
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    Thanks Mudd

    Quote Originally Posted by Mudd
    Taffy, Gary Hill article from 2005..... http://www.nctimes.com/articles/2005..._337_23_05.txt
    That was an interesting article that uses the word trail and pathway in the same aricle. I believe one of the tasks before us is introducing our definition of trail to the powers that be. It has been my experience that when we all say "trail" it is not always the same. If we can get a MTN BIKE SKILLS PARK built it will go a long way in introducing the way mtn biking is really going to the public and the public officails. Do you remember the response we heard when the officails were taken on a walk to Flightline? To put it succinctly it wasn't what they were ready for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by taffy15
    Do you remember the response we heard when the officails were taken on a walk to Flightline? To put it succinctly it wasn't what they were ready for.
    The only thing land managers understand when they see or think about us is "un-funded liability".
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    Anyone have any contacts with IMBA groups in Colorado?
    The Fruita area is like a whole city full of Taffy 15's and they are able to build DH / Freeride trails with official blessing.

    Check out the link and see that it is possible to build trails this side of the Canadian Border. We just need to understand how they were able to get the land managers to sign off on REAL mtb trails.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FLETCHLIVES
    Anyone have any contacts with IMBA groups in Colorado?
    The Fruita area is like a whole city full of Taffy 15's and they are able to build DH / Freeride trails with official blessing.

    Check out the link and see that it is possible to build trails this side of the Canadian Border. We just need to understand how they were able to get the land managers to sign off on REAL mtb trails.
    It's Official!!! - Downhill Trail At Lunch Loop
    Fletch That was a great post from Fruita. I could feel the guys pulse quicken as he was seeing more of the trail being fleshed out. How about that one technical? I like the way thet were satisfying risk management by providing a roll out to the side along with the huck for the more advanced. That is how you fock the lawyers because with the roll out provided the end user always has a choice. I hope you make the 19th. This new trail should provide this landmanager with a positive experience. I am pushing for a more sustainable trail meaning less yearly maintenance one that won't grow wider meaning less long run impact on the land and one that is more fun meaning it will manage the land for the manager by keeping people on the trail.

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    Trail work

    A HUGE and big thanks to TAFFY15 for the hundreds and hundreds of hours he has personally put in to maintaining the current trails and building a NEW trail. I helped for a meager two hours today and was very impressed with his trail building technique. I was surprised to see how much new trail he has already built. I cannot wait to see it's completion. It will take this hill to a whole new level.

    I strongly encourage everyone that uses the trails to come out on the 19th. With a large number of helpers we will have a whole new trail ready to ride!!!!

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    Much Sadness ;-(

    Taffy,

    Sad to say, I will be in Tahoe on the 19th. Otherwise, I would have been up for a whole days worth of work. We have always asked for more frequently organized trail work days. I recognize that previously your work was somewhat clandestine, so it was hard to formally organize and involve others. But, now that we are beginning to receive support from the land managers, please keep them coming so more and more of us will be able to come out and lend a hand.

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    Hi Y'all,

    Thanks for the site and the trail work. I'm one of the few local residents who bike the trail, there are three of us including the firefighters with the bikes near the trail head. I ride with dog and boy(9) and these trails have opened my son to biking. Most of the residents don't mind bikers and hikers parking, the hill was here long before the houses and having an open space for all to use is a blessing. I ran here with my cross country team for years. Anyone who does object needs to have their heads examined, the land is everybody's. I surf regularly in the morning at Blacks and we park and change in front of the resident's house's for 30 years. No problems there.

    If anyone needs to park on the 19th, across the street from my house at the dead end on Sitio Lima is open to workers and riders. A fire road links to the Juniperro Serra area. We do pay heavy HOA, some of which goes to the Open Space preserve. Thanks again for the trails we'll be there on the 19th.

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    I love this trail, but I moved back to New England last week. So, one less East Coaster on your trails guys . Best of luck with the new trail folks, I hope the parking problem is resolved. Brendan.

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    I'll be there. Ironically I just purchased a condo over the hill in San Elijo hills. I want to help keep my new backyard ride as good as it can be.
    Congrats! I'm in your hometown right now.

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    Thanks for the message.Welcome to internet mountain biking -- Caution: it can be addictive. (There are friendly locals at this site as well http://www.socaltrailriders.org/). I'll keep my eyes open to say hi to you, dog & boy on the trail.

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    i plan on being out there for this... but before then, can someone describe what trail is going to be put to bed? i'm just curious... if it's 6-8 feet wide i prolly don't ride it anyways.

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    Putting it to Bed

    Quote Originally Posted by danlorek
    i plan on being out there for this... but before then, can someone describe what trail is going to be put to bed? i'm just curious... if it's 6-8 feet wide i prolly don't ride it anyways.
    Dan the trail is the south west one that hits the bottom of the mtn right where the DH trail comes out, There are two bermed turns right next to each other that are bordered by the fence stakes defining the private property. The owner put up the yellow tape on the stakes to highlight them.
    We need to help keep hikers , people afoot, to stay on the trails. As more of the public discovers La Costa the impact increases and who do think gets the credit for off trail incursion? Mtn bikers that rebel bunch that only know how to poach. Well I hate to bag on the sacro-sainct hikers but they are 99% of the ones going off trail. Yesterday as I stood talking to Mtn Bike Bill and another biker we watched as a pair of hikers cut across the top of NASCAR and went straight to the bottom. I yelled at them to get back on the trail and they continued. So then I yelled at them that I was going to kick their -ss. All we got was a ridiculous response of "we are not from around here". So stay on the trail you froggen morons. We want more trails and try to sell the idea to land managers as a way to actually decrease impact not bring people into a new area so they can increase it. Then Bill and I confronted a runner and he was blazing right up the mtn. Bill told him to "STAY ON THE TRAIL" and he totally ignored the plea. What are you gonna do! But at least I can stand in front of rangers and land managers and with complete confidence say it probably is not a biker. Hope everyone gives the new trail a chance to dry out. Just alittle dry out will mean a huge increase in long time durability.

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    Quote Originally Posted by taffy15
    Dan the trail is the south west one that hits the bottom of the mtn right where the DH trail comes out, There are two bermed turns right next to each other that are bordered by the fence stakes defining the private property. The owner put up the yellow tape on the stakes to highlight them.
    We need to help keep hikers , people afoot, to stay on the trails. As more of the public discovers La Costa the impact increases and who do think gets the credit for off trail incursion? Mtn bikers that rebel bunch that only know how to poach. Well I hate to bag on the sacro-sainct hikers but they are 99% of the ones going off trail. Yesterday as I stood talking to Mtn Bike Bill and another biker we watched as a pair of hikers cut across the top of NASCAR and went straight to the bottom. I yelled at them to get back on the trail and they continued. So then I yelled at them that I was going to kick their -ss. All we got was a ridiculous response of "we are not from around here". So stay on the trail you froggen morons. We want more trails and try to sell the idea to land managers as a way to actually decrease impact not bring people into a new area so they can increase it. Then Bill and I confronted a runner and he was blazing right up the mtn. Bill told him to "STAY ON THE TRAIL" and he totally ignored the plea. What are you gonna do! But at least I can stand in front of rangers and land managers and with complete confidence say it probably is not a biker. Hope everyone gives the new trail a chance to dry out. Just alittle dry out will mean a huge increase in long time durability.
    Ok, time to make a sign to place at the trailhead(s). As much as I hate signs!: "Please stay on the trails. $10,000 fine."
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    i think education is key...
    when i first started mtnbiking i had moved here from inner city chicago and never really had too much outdoors exposure. i often took the trails that cut switch backs and blazed my own trails just because they looked like more fun. i, due to my ignorance, never realized the impact i had. i just thought it was more of the "man" trying to control what i did; the same "mans" who were putting up those "trail revegitation in progress" signs everywhere. only fairly recently have i been becoming aware of the trail access issues and how these behaviours impact out ability to ride what little space we have left.

    if there was a way to bring people up to speed on what impacts their trail cutting and blazing have, they may decide that it's not worth it and stay on trail. the problem is, how do you get people to listen??

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    Elfin-La Costa Connector

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    Bill, what's the next step to reclaiming the C to D portion of the trail. Should we discuss this with the proper management bodies?
    Mtn Bike Bill and myself had a more then meaningful meeting with the lead ranger. We went over the maps and looked at the reality and the reality is we are now going to put the boots to the ground. As soon as it stops raining we will march it off and present the route to the lead ranger at our next meeting. Meanwhile he is presenting this proposal to his higher ups. If this goes this area will suddenly have it's first EPIC ride. Having Bill along is like bringing a live satellite feed. He's got the friggen place memorized. The ranger said their mission statement is to link up Elfin with as many other open spaces as possible. Their biggest obstacle is they lack the manpower to work anything more then what they already have. Well thank God for a mission statement like that and SDMBA, you just got more on your plate. Having more food on your plate is actually a good problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by taffy15
    Having Bill along is like bringing a live satellite feed. He's got the friggen place memorized.
    You're best bet is to let Bill do all of the scouting before EVER going along with him on a ride. Otherwise you'll end up hearing things like "I heard about this awesome downhill out this way, I checked the map and there's a fireroad at the bottom of it!". Only to find out that the fireroad can only be found after slogging through a stream over wet granite boulders in cycling shows for 1/4 mile while trying to find anything that looks like a trail. then, when you finally do find the trail, you realize that it is way to frigging steep to ride so you have to push up the hill in wet cycling shoes for at least a mile before you FINALLY find the frigging fireroad. So, yes, there was in fact a fireroad somewhere in the general vicinity of hte bottom of the downhill............

    or so I've heard anyway!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yeti_Rider
    You're best bet is to let Bill do all of the scouting before EVER going along with him on a ride. Otherwise you'll end up hearing things like "I heard about this awesome downhill out this way, I checked the map and there's a fireroad at the bottom of it!". Only to find out that the fireroad can only be found after slogging through a stream over wet granite boulders in cycling shows for 1/4 mile while trying to find anything that looks like a trail. then, when you finally do find the trail, you realize that it is way to frigging steep to ride so you have to push up the hill in wet cycling shoes for at least a mile before you FINALLY find the frigging fireroad. So, yes, there was in fact a fireroad somewhere in the general vicinity of hte bottom of the downhill............

    or so I've heard anyway!

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    Details, Details. Thank you! It warms my heart to know that even after fours years , you still have "fond" memories of that ride.

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    Good job! Bush Wacking

    Quote Originally Posted by Yeti_Rider
    You're best bet is to let Bill do all of the scouting before EVER going along with him on a ride. Otherwise you'll end up hearing things like "I heard about this awesome downhill out this way, I checked the map and there's a fireroad at the bottom of it!". Only to find out that the fireroad can only be found after slogging through a stream over wet granite boulders in cycling shows for 1/4 mile while trying to find anything that looks like a trail. then, when you finally do find the trail, you realize that it is way to frigging steep to ride so you have to push up the hill in wet cycling shoes for at least a mile before you FINALLY find the frigging fireroad. So, yes, there was in fact a fireroad somewhere in the general vicinity of hte bottom of the downhill............

    or so I've heard anyway!

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    I have been on rides like that where mutinous behavior resides just under the skin because the ride is being led by Lewis & Clark. But for what we are going to do what you are describing is what I want. When you are crawling through scratchy,thorny, dirty, thick, snake and tick prone chaparral you can't see through you need someone with an attitude like Bill's. If he doesn't think "It's just over the hill" when you are slogging through stuff you can't see five feet ahead of yourself you won't make it. So his unbridled optimism in the brush is great. Even with it it will be a biatch without it we would give up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by taffy15
    I have been on rides like that where mutinous behavior resides just under the skin because the ride is being led by Lewis & Clark. But for what we are going to do what you are describing is what I want. When you are crawling through scratchy,thorny, dirty, thick, snake and tick prone chaparral you can't see through you need someone with an attitude like Bill's. If he doesn't think "It's just over the hill" when you are slogging through stuff you can't see five feet ahead of yourself you won't make it. So his unbridled optimism in the brush is great. Even with it it will be a biatch without it we would give up.
    I tried that once. Poison oak is a biatch!
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    bill was smart enough to stay about 100 yards ahead of the rest of us on the hike-a-bike. I think he knew we were all plotting against him! We decided that if we got stranded we weren't going to wait until he died before we ate him! fortunately for him he did manage to blindly stumble across the fireroad..................

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    Bonking ... not feelin' well Attention Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Yeti_Rider
    bill was smart enough to stay about 100 yards ahead of the rest of us on the hike-a-bike. I think he knew we were all plotting against him! We decided that if we got stranded we weren't going to wait until he died before we ate him! fortunately for him he did manage to blindly stumble across the fireroad..................

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    Bill If you are following this thread then would you please leave me the maps you have of the area we want to explore. It sounds like you could end up as sausage or chorizo in some buritto.

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    Next Saturday.
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    count me in

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    Trail Day at La Costa

    Saturday is just about on us. Remember to be there and help break in all the trail heads on the new trail as it crosses over the old trail. I hope to request replacing other trails that maybe too steep rutting and just deteriorating. Replace with sustainable singletrack and just plain make them more fun. Hope everyone thinks the new trail is more fun. I have just started to ride it and I have a smile on my face everytime. I am just bummed when it is over. I invited the ranger from Elfin and we will have the CNLM managers there so a couple of the puzzle peices needed for a connector trail will be there. I also plan to announce my effort to build a bike skills park in Carlsbad and maybe a trail system coming off it. I will need to address it to Carlsbad residents specifically. Anyone out there have a rock/pry bar? I need to move a couple of gigantic rocks to make an obstacle to ride. PM me.

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