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    Is it just me or are most road bikers rude? Or is it just the OC road bikers?

    OK first of all I was not sure where to post this but since I started to commute to work from home twice a week on the Santa Ana river trail I have noticed that the majority of road cyclists are kind of rude. I always wave and say "hi, good morning' but nothing in return. I don't even get a grunt, finger lift, or a smile. Is it because I am riding my MTB on the paved river? I don't have a road bike as of yet, but I want one for my commute to work and basically just as a excuse to get another bike and get a chance to ride my bike during the work week. I actually want to do a test and say "good morning Azz H@*&" and see if they respond back. Well anyways this is just what I noticed from the past month of riding my bike to work twice a week.

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    That's what you get for disturbing them when they're in da zone...

    You should experiment with different greetings such as: "Morning spandex jockey!" or "Morning Captain Ass-rash!" - If you're going to get the same response regardless you may as well have some fun with it. Better yet, take a que from the sorority girls on the UCSB campus, and go really really slow with one hand on your cell phone and the other hand allowing your bike to slalom bike and forth right in their path. Could be fun.
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    I hate to be the one to break this to you...but there are lots of rude PEOPLE in all places and positions all over the world. Some ride bikes, some drive cars, some drive lifted trucks with bull-balls hanging off the hitch, some march in parades, some fly kites, some cook food, some fish, some are internet geeks, some are movie buffs...point is...rude people go beyond bikes.

    I have road riders finger-lift at me all the time...some even smile. Some still, are trying to eek out another 6 minutes in zone 5 and it's all they can do to just keep the pedals turning.

    Why not just wave and not make a big fuss when you don't get a wave back. Trust me, your self-esteem can take it.

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    fall in front of them and make them crash
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    Quote Originally Posted by SHIVER ME TIMBERS
    fall and front of them and make them crash
    Gee, what a great idea. Or, you could just throw your bike at 'em and then kick the shyte out of them for such egregious social misconduct. Not waving back.....the nerve of some people!

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    I actually, really laughed out loud at this thread! Thaks for making me smile and laugh! I say try the "good morning a$$h@t" that sounds like something I would do. On the other hand, Padre is correct...there are rude people everywhere. However, I think spandex wearin' weight weinee roadies are among the rudest of 'em all!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SHIVER ME TIMBERS
    fall and front of them and make them crash
    Grammar errors are rude.

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    Quote Originally Posted by whodaphuck
    Gee, what a great idea. Or, you could just throw your bike at 'em and then kick the shyte out of them for such egregious social misconduct. Not waving back.....the nerve of some people!

    true dat....run them over....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Padre
    Grammar errors are rude.

    arrrr.....me doin' me best I says.....ye be helpin......me edmucationsis learnin ye ol time....arrr

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    my vote would be it is a little of several factors.

    i will give you two of the funny ones i like to use. these factors are magnified in socal, moreso in OC.

    1) i call this the retards in the hall effect.

    imagine you are walking down a hallway that is 4' wide. there is one drooling retard flailing about in the hallway. if you are quick and deft, you might be able to not get drool on you as you pass. now put 200 drooling retards flailing about in the same hallway. that is what has happened to socal in my lifetime. too many drooling retards!!!!

    2) entitlement

    these people live in the OC dude! do i have to explain?

    when we are riding around over here in murrieta/temecula area the other bike riders are very nice. today we chatted with one nice guy on a climb. he even waited for allison when he and i accidentally dropped her!

    of course we don't have these safe havens known as bike paths. we are lucky to have bike lanes, and if we do they certainly aren't like the 18' wide bike lanes you see in OC! maybe the danger of riding a bike on the streets here brings us together?!?!?!

    to be honest, people suck and you just have to get over it. put on your ipod and tune it out. don't let it get to you or you might be the next guy to run some nice guy off the road or something. if you want to ride your bike with nice people, they are out there. there were a ton of them riding in CC last weekend!

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    I should be offended, as I am a roadie (and Mtn Biker), but I have the same complaint in San Diego. No where have I seen as many "isolated" people as I see on my road rides. I can't remember a time on the trails when everyone who "met" at a trailhead did not talk to eachother, yet you can barely make eye contact with most roadies at a stoplight.
    I ride a $$$$$ bike and have all the right gear and they are still rude, so it is not just a "pay to play" thing.

    Maybe it is just us Fired, but I think most roadies have an attitude that would never work on the trail.

    and Padre...you are right about rude people being omnipresent, I guess we just notice rudeness more in roadies since so many of them wear obnoxiously loud outfits...(or because being outside exercising is supposed to release feel good things and make us better people so we don't understand them)
    Have at it!

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    I too live in san diego....and the other day i was riding a dirt jump course that runs directly parallel with a popular road biking street. I finsihed a little line and noticed that two road bikers had stoped and watched me. so i looked over to them and waved, they both gave me weird looks, clipped back in and sped off. lol

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    Somewhat off topic?

    I do a 20 mile bike commute 3 days a week, some on the SA river bed trail and some on PCH. I occasionally run into some rudeness from other cyclists but usually it's just because I ride a single speed so they don't think of me as part of their club.

    My biggest concern is not them as much as getting screamed at, having cigarette butts flicked at me, spit at, and finally a few weeks ago, getting hit with a 50mph bottle of Gatorade. I have been called a *** (can I say that in here?) more times than I can count.
    I guess those people are just PO'd because I am taking another car off the road to make their commute easier.

    Side note, yesterday on my route a cyclist was creamed by a car that didn't even stop. He's still unconcious.

    Edit: The censored word in my post was a reference to one's sexual orientation.

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    lol...

    the WC jersey could be mistaken as a gay pride jersey by the average moron. either that or the parade in Hillcrest is full of world champions! LOL

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    I agree with Padre, and everyones comments made me laugh!

    I know that their are rude people in all areas (i.e. cooking, kite flying, surfing, anything). I guess I thought that basically it all comes down to we are all cyclists and all enjoy riding our bike. Like surfing long boarders and short boarders we all love the ocean and riding waves. I guess I am still new to the whole biking sport but I am in love with it right now or maybe its just lust? I don't know.

    I don't know if its a OC thing but from the trails in OC I have met nice people and people who don't have rudeness about them because their bike costs as much as my truck. I just have a feeling if I was on the river trail and was on the ground with a compound broken leg it would not surprise me if they would pass me up. Your comments all made me laugh

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fired Yo Momma
    OK first of all I was not sure where to post this but since I started to commute to work from home twice a week on the Santa Ana river trail I have noticed that the majority of road cyclists are kind of rude. I always wave and say "hi, good morning' but nothing in return. I don't even get a grunt, finger lift, or a smile. Is it because I am riding my MTB on the paved river? I don't have a road bike as of yet, but I want one for my commute to work and basically just as a excuse to get another bike and get a chance to ride my bike during the work week. I actually want to do a test and say "good morning Azz H@*&" and see if they respond back. Well anyways this is just what I noticed from the past month of riding my bike to work twice a week.
    OH MY PHUCKING GOD! Not this little gem again. Why do you care whether they say "hi" or not, are you that insecure and starved for attention?
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    Riding in to work today in lycra, carbon bikes, etc. a guy on a neon green rigid geared mountain bike rode by and said hello. We exchanged pleasantries. Maybe it's just the location?

    That, or they're too used to having everyone in cars be rude they don't like to communicate with anyone moving

    I wouldn't worry too much about it. Be friendly if you want and shack off any negativity or lack of response back. That, or get an iPod or small radio and tune them all out!

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    Missing the point

    I was reading this and I figuered it all out. The real reason your riding is you like it and your enjoying the ride. Your smart and lucky enough to be able to ride to work. Wish I could ride to work. So the others you pass dont wave it, so what. Your a nice person and your enjoying your commute, keep doing it and maybe some of your positive energy will rub off on them.
    If you smile and wave the person you pass may realize what a aszhat they have been and do so to the next person, and so on, you could single handedly make hundreds of people smile and start off their day in a better mood.
    I vote to be extra friendly over the next few weeks and see if it makes a difference.
    Thats my opinion but I like to smile and wave to others too.
    Keep it up. the world needs it. If only we all could ride more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rivet
    OH MY PHUCKING GOD! Not this little gem again. Why do you care whether they say "hi" or not, are you that insecure and starved for attention?
    Hey I don't know what your talking about "not this little gem again". This is the first time I have ever started a thread. I am not starved for attention, I just noticed other people not being very friendly on the bike path, thats all.

    You know what dude you must be from south OC. Anyways what the world needs is just people to be little more nicer and pleasent. I am not insecure This was just thoughts based on what I have seen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Padre
    I hate to be the one to break this to you...but there are lots of rude PEOPLE in all places and positions all over the world. Some ride bikes, some drive cars, some drive lifted trucks with bull-balls hanging off the hitch, some march in parades, some fly kites, some cook food, some fish, some are internet geeks, some are movie buffs...point is...rude people go beyond bikes.

    I have road riders finger-lift at me all the time...some even smile. Some still, are trying to eek out another 6 minutes in zone 5 and it's all they can do to just keep the pedals turning.

    Why not just wave and not make a big fuss when you don't get a wave back. Trust me, your self-esteem can take it.
    Agreed!

    I recently spent a few months in Japan, and I commuted to work by bike everyday. Although I found on average that the Japanese people in Tokyo are are very nice, you'll never get a nod from any other bike riders. However, that may have something do with you're nodding or saying "Ohayo" every three seconds. Getting eye contact, especially from women, is almost impossible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fired Yo Momma
    Hey I don't know what your talking about "not this little gem again". This is the first time I have ever started a thread. I am not starved for attention, I just noticed other people not being very friendly on the bike path, thats all.

    You know what dude you must be from south OC. Anyways what the world needs is just people to be little more nicer and pleasent. I am not insecure This was just thoughts based on what I have seen.
    Example 1

    Example 2

    Example 3

    Broken record.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rivet
    just a thought, but you could have spared yourself by not clicking on this thread... hmm...

    and by the way, i live in south oc, Hi!! (but i guess i didn't exactly grow up there)
    can i get some pixie dust w/my gu, please?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tink bell
    just a thought, but you could have spared yourself by not clicking on this thread... hmm...
    But then you would have missed out on my warm and sunny response. The power of positivity. Hi.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rivet
    The funny thing about this whole thread is you spending the time to look up all those other threads. I want to say sorry for all you other people that live in South OC. I am stereotyping people, my girlfriend and her mom and dad live in Mission Viejo.

    Peace

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    I'm with the "rude people are everywhere" group on this one. I ride both road and mountain bikes and about 80% of the roadies acknowledge a greeting and about the same for dirt riders. I think that it may be that the rider is concentrating, is somewhere else mentally or afraid to take their hands off the bars.

    All that really matters is that you gave them a greeting, what they do is their problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Padre
    I have road riders finger-lift at me all the time...some even smile.
    Something seems wrong about this...I just can't put my finger on it though!

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    It is a well known fact that in-grown hairs from keeping those aerodynamic legs baby smoothe will make the nicest of people grumpy from time to time.

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    For God's sake, who cares?

    Just ignore them, like I do!

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    agree with the others, rude people are just everywhere. They drive cars, stand in line at the post office and they even ride bikes.

    I've ridden past my far share of rude road and mtn bikers.
    I'd rather be riding my bike...

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    people in OC are just rude in general. they don't like to be bothered...but yeah there are rude people everywhere, just more of em here

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fired Yo Momma
    I don't even get a grunt, finger lift, or a smile.
    Funny, that is what you get from the vast majority of MTBers (and hikers) in the Santa Monica Mountains. Nothing.
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    I easily put between 120 - 180 miles on the road (Santa Clarita) with my hardtail (with slicks) a week. I see plenty of roadies that say hi or wave. I've even met one at a light and we chatted for a couple of miles. But there is one that I often see. He's a real "A" hole.

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    Letter written into MTB Action

    on page 24 of MTB Action, April 2007. Some guy writes into the mag titled "can't we all just be friends?" good letter. The guy was talking about the Santa Monica mountains.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fired Yo Momma
    on page 24 of MTB Action, April 2007. Some guy writes into the mag titled "can't we all just be friends?" good letter. The guy was talking about the Santa Monica mountains.
    Yes, I read that one.

    << Rant On >>

    I had to laugh, because it seems true. I guess I’m an old fart now, but the first mountain bike ride I ever did was Summer ’85, and the first trail was Westridge. 20+ years later, I still ride up there. Things have changed. Is it just the “310”, like the OC is the “OC”? Hard to say, but I’ll tell you, its hard to get any kind of aknodgement out of anyone up in the SM’s. Weekend, weekday, its about the same. I will say, that rides after a cold spell, or rain (if and when we ever get that), once the trail dries a bit, you are more likely to get a “hello”. I guess that’s just the cabin fever showing.

    Not getting a nod from hikers, joggers, or dog walkers is one thing, but from other riders... That is just sad. Dude, we are out here in this amazing place, give me a nod, we just passed each other, 3' a part.

    I particularly enjoy being ignored by a stone cold faced rider “really training hard” cranking up the 3.75mi fire road climb of Westridge. Yikes dude (or dude-ette), its the easiest trail in Santa Monica’s, if you need your poker face for that ride, well... best of luck to ya.

    I do honestly think it is an LA thing, or even a SoCal thing. Much more friendly in NCal, CO, UT, AZ... Much.

    Oh, I’m a roadie too, and we’ve go our share of “serious” racers on the pavement also.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Rivet
    OH MY PHUCKING GOD! Not this little gem again. Why do you care whether they say "hi" or not, are you that insecure and starved for attention?

    "Screaming!!!! SCREAMING FOR VENGANCE"

    I couldn't resist!

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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckie108
    "Screaming!!!! SCREAMING FOR VENGANCE"

    I couldn't resist!

    9th grade high school making incognito bongs in ceramics class. I was a bit bummed when I found out Halford was gay but figured screw it, they still kick ass. Priest and Screaming Trees tie for the loudest show I've ever seen, ears still ringing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rivet
    9th grade high school making incognito bongs in ceramics class. I was a bit bummed when I found out Halford was gay but figured screw it, they still kick ass. Priest and Screaming Trees tie for the loudest show I've ever seen, ears still ringing.
    Every family has that one gay uncle- the Metal family has Rob Halford! A big devil horns up to Priest!

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    Quote Originally Posted by El Salt
    Yes, I read that one.

    << Rant On >>

    I particularly enjoy being ignored by a stone cold faced rider “really training hard” cranking up the 3.75mi fire road climb of Westridge. Yikes dude (or dude-ette), its the easiest trail in Santa Monica’s, if you need your poker face for that ride, well... best of luck to ya.

    I do honestly think it is an LA thing, or even a SoCal thing. Much more friendly in NCal, CO, UT, AZ... Much.

    Oh, I’m a roadie too, and we’ve go our share of “serious” racers on the pavement also.

    << Rant Off >>
    I don't find the SM's unfriendly. I've even had conversations with other riders! One showed me singletrack challenges at the West end of Mulholland.

    If the "really training hard" ride doesn't wave maybe he doesn't have time to react as you speed downhill.

    I passed a roadie walking (mechanical failure) on a rural road, I let him use my cell phone to call his wife for help. Maybe he'll wave next ime.

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    I'll take non-waving roadies over the multitude of padded idiots on Mountain Bikes that fail to yeild to people climbing technical stuff. I don't know how many times I'm forced off the trail as I'm climbing El Prieto and Sunset. I don't care if you're nice just follow proper etiquette.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fired Yo Momma
    OK first of all I was not sure where to post this but since I started to commute to work from home twice a week on the Santa Ana river trail I have noticed that the majority of road cyclists are kind of rude. I always wave and say "hi, good morning' but nothing in return. I don't even get a grunt, finger lift, or a smile. Is it because I am riding my MTB on the paved river? I don't have a road bike as of yet, but I want one for my commute to work and basically just as a excuse to get another bike and get a chance to ride my bike during the work week. I actually want to do a test and say "good morning Azz H@*&" and see if they respond back. Well anyways this is just what I noticed from the past month of riding my bike to work twice a week.
    Next time I will wave and give a good morning to you. Better not ignore me jerk!

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    First off, there are rude Mountain bikers and rude roadie's!! Quite often, they are the same person. A few of my friend's are ROAD RACER'S. They have admitted to the attitude many Roadie's have- towards fellow roadie's. It may (in some part) have to do with concentration. Pain. Being too tired to worry about responding to a wave. Maybe they don't want to wave to 30 people in 20 minutes. Who knows. What I do know is I do my part by waving. If they don't want to return the greeting, that is their problem.

    What do hiker's think of Mountain Biker's? WHEW!! My suggestion is we need to concentrate more on changing that attitude than worry about a rude Roadie. Wave! Allow them to pass. Say Hi.

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    My mountain bike riding buddy is a roadie. He rides the Santa Ana River trail 3 times a week. As he always says..."Roadies are d*cks!"

    Not saying all roadies are but I think it has something to do with all the unspoken rules and etiquette involved with road biking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fired Yo Momma
    I just have a feeling if I was on the river trail and was on the ground with a compound broken leg it would not surprise me if they would pass me up.
    Although I would help you, I would still worry about being sued for the possibility of doing anything wrong while assisting you.

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    This thread prompted me to do a greetings experiment on the LA River trails. 20% return rate on greetings is what I've gotten. If you pass a couple of kids with their parents, there's a really good chance it's the kids that say "Hi" before you do. But just when you start feeling good about the universe, here comes a neon peloton to knock your average back down.

    I'll take a 20% return over nothing though ...............and in defense of roadies, someone in the back half of most groups will usually return a nod or wave as they're usually not in the drops.

    I don't wave or say "Hi" to everyone but there are a few people I see a couple times a week I know I'll be able to get a friendly response out of eventually

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    I've been riding road a lot. More then my mountain biking, but that's just because of conveinance. I wave at everyone I see, doesn't make any difference to me if they're on a k-mart bike or a top end Pinarello. I get a return in 80% of the cases with other riders. I've even chased down a person or two to ask them why they didn't acknowledge the greeting.One guy just said, he didn't think it was a something he wanted to do. Another just continued to ignore me and took off before the light changed. I don't let it bother me any longer and if they wave...fine, and if they don't, that's fine too.
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    I find most people say "hi" if I initiate. I don't worry too much about those who don't - figure they have something else on their minds......I do find that on busy weekends people are less prone to say hi for some reason......although yesterday (monday) something happened that really annoyed me..............

    I was riding in the santa monica's - just my local, rustic loop - as I started down a fast rocky section I realized I had a flat. I stopped and checked and whaddya know, I had a slash in the sidewall of my tire. So I stopped and started fixing it. I'm a few miles from anything in any direction. Two guys come barrelling down the singletrack - completely helmetless. They pass me without even a hello, let alone "are you ok'"etc. Now I am no damsel in distress & I had everything I needed to magyver it, but I thought it was bad karma. They knew I was solo as I had passed them earlier. (and I said hello as I did).

    Ah well. I guess someone who doesn't worry enough to wear a helmet doesn't worry about people on the side of the trail either.
    Love, Impy

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