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    How was Snow Summit??

    I'm hoping that any of you that got up there will give the rest of us losers an update!

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    I was pleasantly surprised. Two new trails open under the lifts, miracle mile and cruiser. Miracle mile and upper cruiser are billed as expert but I would characterize the first as early advanced and cruiser as advanced intermediate. Really nice twisty switchberm action throughout with a few small jumps and two small drops. Two stepups that can be rolled or popped. Both these trails are on the smooth side for big bear.

    All the old stuff appears to be there still and are a nice contrast with more of the rocky oldschool feel. Overall, I thought it was worth the 32 bucks.

    I do hope they put in some solidly advanced and expert trails as well. They are planning on doing a lot more trails over the summer and next few yrs.

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    So would you rec a 5-6 inch bike over a dh bike? Planning on heading there at least once this year. Based on the vid by jason on the other thread, looks like a trail bike would be perfect instead of a full on dh sled, correct? Lets hope this is the beginning to a full on gravity park for years to come.

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    I talked to a friend who grew up in Big Bear back in the DH heyday and is a solid upper-expert level rider, and had this to say about the trails "they are SO fun". So I'm stoked now!

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    Quote Originally Posted by rhynohead View Post
    So would you rec a 5-6 inch bike over a dh bike? Planning on heading there at least once this year. Based on the vid by jason on the other thread, looks like a trail bike would be perfect instead of a full on dh sled, correct? Lets hope this is the beginning to a full on gravity park for years to come.
    yeah I was wondering the same thing watching the videos I saw on youtube. It seems like an all mountain style bike 4.5-6" of travel may be a better ride down.

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    Yeah, I think you would really like the trails...a bit of Mammoth with actually better designed berms and switchberms. They didn't use pavers on the berms and appear to be trying to keep them watered. You can carry pretty good speed through everything, an there are a few opportunities for an expert rider (definitely not me!) to get some good air, especially on the first stepup.

    A good comparison would be to think of twilight at mammoth but much narrower and almost all natural dirt.

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    To the other poster, a mid travel bike would be fine, but I would guess that it would be twitchy and unstable cuz of the steepness and loose soil. I brought my 8 inch monster and didn't feel overbiked, but I am by no means an expert.

    I was riding behind a guy on a mid travel bike who was carrying pretty good speed until he hit the rise after the long paver berm swoop. High speed Endo with a very impressive ninja roll popping up to his feet!

    Also, looks like all the old stuff is there too, if that impacts your bike choice. I found the rockier old stuff to make a nice contrast to the two new trails.

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    Take your DH bike. My trance handled everything fine but I regret not taking a DH bike.

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    Yeah take your DH bike, I regret not taking mine. I rode an Ibis Mojo. Trail was loose dirt like Mammoth

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    See for yourself, this was yesterday:



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    I ride a Carbine with a DB coil rear and Lyric RC2DH 170mm in the front. This was almost perfect for Summit on Sat. Sure you can go a little faster with a dh bike but not by much. I prefer a 6" bike for all but 1 of the off mountain trails.

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    the only bike i have is an enduro, i rode it all day sat and sun and i didnt feel like i needed any more bike for the new trails. as for all of the other off property trails, there was one super rocky section i hiked, but i can live with that.
    one of my friends was riding a status and felt like he had too much bike and will be bringing his stumpy evo with a 160 fork next time.

    as for the new trails they were a blast! i will be up there a lot this summer, and cant wait to see what else they come up with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gemini2k05 View Post
    I talked to a friend who grew up in Big Bear back in the DH heyday and is a solid upper-expert level rider, and had this to say about the trails "they are SO fun". So I'm stoked now!
    they are a lot of fun...rode half day on Sunday and bought a year pass...the trails have a lot of flow...nice berms to compress off of.....needs an A-Line or Livewire type trail and they will have a really nice mountain
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    DH bike for sure. I had my x-country on the upper sections of cruiser but once you hit the mile, it got pretty technical.

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    Thanks everyone who has been posting! We're really excited about the trails that we have up and running and can't wait to develop more throughout the summer and for years to come!

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    Thank you guys for doing this!!!! Any plans for a practice drop/jump area, skills area, and/or pumptrack?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snow Summit View Post
    Thanks everyone who has been posting! We're really excited about the trails that we have up and running and can't wait to develop more throughout the summer and for years to come!
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    Great work!!! keep it up! Coming back this sat for more. So Cal has been waiting for something like this for too long...

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    Trail bike no, all mountain will work, DH definitely preferred. I rode my Mojo HD with coil and had a blast, but wouldn't have minded a little more bike.

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    Yep...should have most of what your asking for, I believe the pump track will be built soon.

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    As for the pump track, it's not in the works this season but this is definitely a 5+ year project and we'll see what the future holds...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snow Summit View Post
    As for the pump track, it's not in the works this season but this is definitely a 5+ year project and we'll see what the future holds...
    Perhaps an official idea submission thread?
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    I want to take the kids up but I don't want to go into this blind. They were comfortable at Mammoth riding Off the Top, Paper Route, and Big Ring. You really can't tell from the videos, how do the SS trails compare?
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    Went last Saturday and it exceeded my expectations. The trails were really well built and a lot of fun, well worth the drive up. Rode a DH bike and had a blast, there are a few features I really liked. The only thing I wished is that they did a better job of informing the kids/families/renters to respect the "expert only" trails, because it isn't safe for them. There were a lot of people who appeared to be in over their heads that were stopping on the trail above steep parts to look down, cutting parts of the course, ect. Maybe some employees could stand up there in the morning at the entrances and ask people who appear to be under prepared whether they're experienced riders and offer suggestions. Other than that, It was great and I'll be going up there again this Saturday.

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    Is there any kiddie/family friendly trail there, or in the works? It would help in convincing the family we have to go to Big Bear for vacation.

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    Snow Summit is not anywhere close to Mammoth...yet. The current trails are not kid friendly unless your family ride black and some blue trails. The trails around Big Bear are getting better all the time and some that are family friendly can be accessed by the SS skychair, such as the new Skyline trail, Pineknot trail and tons of fireroads, on the Northshore, Grout Bay trail is another family friendly trail
    I believe in the future SS is going to be awesome and as it sits now is better than anything we have in So Cal, SS has so much potential, especially is they tap into Bear Mountain. As far as the pump track goes, I heard that they would be working on it soon, but I'll take The SS post as the more reliable answer.

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    there's a path around the lake that's kid friendly, also the big bear discovery center is good for kids

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    What ages and level are your kids? There are trails and roads that I have been taking my son on since he was 6. Snow Summit has plans to built beginner trails in the future, but nothing yet. You can take your kids on the sky chair to access some trails and the Northshore has a trail called the Grout Bay trail which is fairly easy and extremely fun for riders of all levels.

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    My son is a very enthusiastic 3. So he's not quite there yet. So maybe the bike path around the lake would be better right now.

    But it would be nice if there was something like Downtown in Mammoth that I can get him started on when he's ready.

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    Is Skyline trail complete yet? Is that designed as an out and back from the lift?

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    Already posted a thread and not trying to break any rules or threadjack but I lost my GoPro today @ Summit on World Cup and want to get info out in related threads, BIG REWARD, NO QUESTIONS. Has some footage a of a good friend that's sentimental and was a cool gift from my Wifey. Thx!

    And Summit was awesome today (except for GoPro, lol), park is coming along, can't wait to see it progress.
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    Skyline is not finished yet, but a good portion of it is complete and very fun and rideable. The Skyline trail begins near where Pirates/ 2n10 intersect, the trail is not a DH trail, pretty much a full on XC trail.

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    I rode there today, I was very skeptical of the current new trails actually being fun, but they were a good time! Looks like they've added a few new features, fade away ladder drops, one or two stepups. Nothing crazy or amazing, but good, safe intermediate features. They are watering the trails throughout the day too, keeps it nice. I think helmet cams and pics from opening weekend suggested the trails would be paved highways, however they are getting appropriately rough as more rocks and roots are being exposed. There is just enough chatter and rough stuff to make a full on DH bike preferable. They are quickly turning into classic, bear big natural DH style trails. Not quite as techy, steep, or rough as some of the illegal trails there, but definitely fun for all levels.

    I think they trails are actually fairly well laid out too. People may complain that there are too many weird, random uphill sections. But cruiser and miracle mile are very clearly designed for an intermediate rider to carry an intermediate level of speed on the trail. And it does that very well. You don't have to brake too much and your speeds never get out of control fast for the features/turns/whatever up ahead. Expert and above riders will still be able to ride the trail fast, but it takes a little bit of effort, which is more than fine. Overall the trails will prove acceptably challenging for intermediate riders, maybe a bit too rough for beginners, but still fun for expert/pro riders to ride aggressively. I believe this suggests that the trail builders are actually planning out the trails well and know what they are doing. Also, if you look closely throughout the mountain there are a BUNCH of trails that are in progress or almost finished being built, I'm sure they will open a few new ones very soon!


    Also, I've read a lot of people complaining that the step ups are hard to clear, don't know what that is about, I was able to clear almost everything blind the first run, and everything easy the second run. I don't consider myself an especially impressive rider either. Nothing about them is awkward, but they are pretty fun.

    They need to sort out the lift situation. Line are VERY long in the middle of the day, about 20-25 minutes from 11-1pm. I'd suggest showing up later in the day if you don't plan on doing endless laps anyways. They are doing 1 bike per chair because there is only 1 hook per chair, and then not loading anyone onto that chair, but only people separately. Probably some stupid insurance bullsh*t. I'm sure they are smart enough to have a better, multi bike tray based system in the works though.

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    Wow. lines were long today but also stoked on the support for the mountain. We drove up from AZ for a quick day trip along with others who were staying the weekend. It was a good time. The turnout for riders of all levels should be an example to other mountains who have no motivation to improve their current situation..mm.sunrise ski resort in AZ. Big Bear will be getting my future lift assist dollars with only being an hour longer drive.
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    It's crazy that they haven't figured out how to efficiently load bikes. At Whistler you load your own and there are 4 bikes per lift, every other lift. It would be a piece of cake to weld up some bike trays and bolt them onto the lifts...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Mama View Post
    It's crazy that they haven't figured out how to efficiently load bikes. At Whistler you load your own and there are 4 bikes per lift, every other lift. It would be a piece of cake to weld up some bike trays and bolt them onto the lifts...
    Your "Piece of cake" bike trays are a hefty investment. I would have to assume each tray would be in the $500 dollar range.

    They've gotta walk before they run. As they see the interst, I'm sure they'll invest more and more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mbell View Post
    Your "Piece of cake" bike trays are a hefty investment. I would have to assume each tray would be in the $500 dollar range.

    They've gotta walk before they run. As they see the interst, I'm sure they'll invest more and more.
    $500 MINIMUM I would guess. Steel+fab time ain't cheap. Plus they have to take down the lift to install them, and that probably takes a lot of man hours to haul the trays out there, take the normal chairs off, install the new ones, and store the normal chairs somewhere else. Not cheap, I agree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Mama View Post
    It's crazy that they haven't figured out how to efficiently load bikes. At Whistler you load your own and there are 4 bikes per lift, every other lift. It would be a piece of cake to weld up some bike trays and bolt them onto the lifts...
    I talked with one of the guys there and he said next year they will have them...they just don't have the money to do it.....

    BUT he also said they are having better then expected numbers...wayyyy better....all I can say if trail crew keeps it up the numbers will get bigger as people find out how fun this place is....just need to make it more black diamond instead of blue....but this will happen in time.,....sheesh they have done a great job in 4 weeks
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    It doesn't really need to be that complicated. Steel is cheap, especially if you make a simple design that uses an existing profile for the trays and bolts onto the existing lifts with standard hardware. Mig welding is cheap and easy, Snow Summit has to have welders in their maintenance department already. I guess I look at things differently having done a lot of fab work. It's not rocket surgery

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    Are the lifts for bikes like in Whistler where your bike sits in a channel for the front and rear tire? Or do you hook them by the wheel?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SHIVER ME TIMBERS View Post
    I talked with one of the guys there and he said next year they will have them...they just don't have the money to do it.....

    BUT he also said they are having better then expected numbers...wayyyy better....all I can say if trail crew keeps it up the numbers will get bigger as people find out how fun this place is....just need to make it more black diamond instead of blue....but this will happen in time.,....sheesh they have done a great job in 4 weeks
    Personally, from what I've seen, they are smart to have started out with the 'blue' diamond trails....that's exactly what's attracting the crowds. It's even got ME contemplating a trip up from San Diego, and that's no easy feat these days.

    I'm sure more black diamond stuff is on their list. It's just gotta be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pachaven View Post
    Are the lifts for bikes like in Whistler where your bike sits in a channel for the front and rear tire? Or do you hook them by the wheel?
    Hook them by the wheel. What's weird is they could easily hook more than one bike per chair, or at least 1 bike and 2 people, but they don't. My guess is they are using this to throttle people on the trails. Better people wait in line at the bottom of the lift then clog up the trail I suppose.

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    It's interesting that the new lifts only have 1 bike hooks.

    The old Skyline lift, before the SS park opened this year, allowed for the loading of 2 bikes per lift and the riders were seated in the lift chair right behind.

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    I would say miracle mile is way steeper than those three, but not really more "technical.". The switchberms might be intimidating for kids at first, but they are really well laid out. Definitely cruiser is on par with off the top, as long as some of the optional jumps and kickers are skipped.

    Soil is loose but not as loose as mammoth.

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    Yeah, at 3 I think skyline or pine knot would be a better bet...pine knot is quite fun xc riding,and I've heard good things about the section of skyline that is open...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray Raton View Post
    Personally, from what I've seen, they are smart to have started out with the 'blue' diamond trails....that's exactly what's attracting the crowds. It's even got ME contemplating a trip up from San Diego, and that's no easy feat these days.

    I'm sure more black diamond stuff is on their list. It's just gotta be.
    my wife rode both cruiser and miracle Mile....nothing hard at all...be very much worth it to go up there and ride...a lot of fun...
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    Quote Originally Posted by SHIVER ME TIMBERS View Post
    my wife rode both cruiser and miracle Mile....nothing hard at all...be very much worth it to go up there and ride...a lot of fun...
    Thanks. Although there is NO way I could get my "Better Half" to ride a mountain bike again. I'll have to plan out some kind of flower photography day thing for her....

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