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    Help needed identifying Sullivan Canyon single track

    Hi,
    I usually ride the casual westridge trail (Nike site and then down to the canyon with all the white bricks "carpets"). I went there last week, kept riding on dirt mulholland, past a yellow gate, and then I found a really cool singletrack. I didn't have time to explore it, and I'm guessing its well known. According to the map, it just ends at some point. Can someone tell me more about this trail?
    In the pic you can see my starting point, that's exactly where this single track starts to head down.
    Thanks!
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    Looks like part of bent arrow aka farmers aka MG.
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    I described most of the trails in the area here:

    Good Trails Near Santa Monica

    The trail you're asking about is called the "Dead End Trail". You rode on Farmers Trail, and stopped a very short distance before the beginning of the Widow Maker. The 7th photo in my post above shows the trails.

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    i never noticed these trails, farmers and widowmaker

    what are they like?

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    Farmers is easy singletrack that lasts a couple minutes... Good for the view and something leisure, but not challenging in any way. It does lead to upper Bent Arrow, which is a lot more exciting and interesting. The other option is the Widow Maker, which I did only once and will never do again (according to the wife).

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    hmmm my 3 favorite trails are jdrop and first crack and jedi, run them 2 or 3 times a week each


    i doubt widow maker is harder than those, but I better go see I guess

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    I don't know about jdrop or first crack, but Jedi is nothing compared to the widow maker in danger or steepness. The widowmaker is over in a minute, but it's a really steep trail with some deep chasms you might not be able to climb out of if you fall in one.

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    jedi has some pretty large gap jumps if you take the difficult jumps lines

    some people call first crack widowmaker, but it clearly isnt, its a totally different trail

    anyways you got me interested as soon as i get back in town im going to go ride widowmaker up top there and will post back in here thx

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    Yeah I ride Jedi regularly, but I won't try the widowmaker again. It's just a bit past my comfort zone. If you like Jedi, you should try the Westridge singletracks. Most of it is like a tall wooden roller coaster, and there are lots of areas for some good jumps. It's a lot steeper than Jedi, but isn't as loose or rough.

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    heres a short video of me and friend messing around on jedi and squirrel

    messing around with gopro 3 - YouTube

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    You're a better rider than I am. I can't clear Squirrel cage without dabbing on the tight loose parts. What bike did you ride in the video?

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    canfield one

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    Trails off the top of Farmer's Ridge:

    1. Bent Arrow (Dead Car) - yawn

    2. Itchy (Upper Cookies) - getting warmer

    3. Scratchy (Upper Hectic) - finally interesting

    4. HeadFake (dead end trail) - There is actually a trail off the right side of the second hump that dumps into the very upper portion of Rustic Canyon. Haven't ridden it in about 8 years.

    5. WidowMaker - This is my jam. One more rain and it will be unrecognizable. AGAIN. I love the way our trails change.

    I rock J-drop, Jedi's and First Crack weekly. Backbone into J-drop got scraped and is actually kinda fun again! The water diversion bumps actually resemble little jumps.
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    Good luck with Widowmaker - harder with a much higher penalty for failure than j-drop & the other snoozers you're riding. The Hectic trails are pretty sweet right now. Super fast.
    And Dusty's right about the backbone plowing really helping that trail - I rode it a couple of months back and it was disappearing. Now that you can actually see trail its really fun again.

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    if you running jdrop in 3.X minutes and first crack in under 2 minutes and still consider them snoozers you must be one hell of a rider.

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    You sound like an awesome rider. And now's a great time for Widowmaker. Please wear your Gopro and post a video of it.

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    i'm OK not great.

    I'll go take a look at widowmaker and if its crazy like you say it is, I will just come back here and post its too much for me.

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    Thanks guys! I've been looking for some new trails close by to hit up once it gets a little drier.

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    sorry gentlemen, but I strongly disagree with the difficulty of widowmaker (unless I of course just rode the wrong trail, we will see about that)

    Make no mistake its not an easy trail, and i had more grip because of the wetter conditions than the normal dry stuff.

    But this is not a difficult trail, I rode it without the need to hop off bike to scout beforehand (usually the telltale sign of a difficult trail), and with plenty of braking power left, a fortune actually. Next time I will put some juice on it.

    Jdrop is way more technical, and first crack is steeper and more technical, both IMO are more difficult than widowmaker. The top half of widow maker doesnt even count its like any old trail, the bottom half is like 20 seconds long?

    As for consequences of a wipe, squirrl cage actually has a lot more consequences than jdrop, widowmaker or first crack if you gunning for time and drop off the main ledge to the right, thats a nice 20 foot + free fall.

    Will post gopro video later tonight (I got most of the trail if not all, definitely the steepest part the bottom half, my new gopro 3 is not so good, it keeps randomly keeps turning off, calling them now for support, I can only film 2 to 60 second blocks randomly)

    I really don't want to start an argument though, if widowmaker for you guys is a more difficult trail, I accept that without question, each to their own.

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    Would anyone mind pm'ing a link to a gps file please that I could use as a course? Maybe Upper Hectic and/or Widowmaker included in the route? I'm going to try and get out for a ride Thursday morning. Thank you!

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    Nice work on Widowmaker jasonjm. You should hit up Hectic next - esp LOWER hectic. Fast & fun, drops 1000ft in 3/4 of a mile.
    Here are the Strava tracks - Widowmaker
    Hectic is split into Upper Hectic which you pick up on the ridge and Lower Hectic which is where it crosses Mulholland and heads down into Cab Canyon before hitting Reseda Blvd at the bottom.

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    Thank you!

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    i watched a video of hectic a few days ago, it looks like a lot of fun, looks narrow and twisty with lots of big ruts?

    a bit like jdrop but less rocks and more tight? cant see steepness on videos, everything looks flat on gopros


    anyways here are bits of video I managed to salvage from today, gopro says my sdhc card is not compatible thats why I am having issues, ordered another one

    santa monica mountains - YouTube

    next time I ride widowmaker I am going to put some speed on it, which is the better route?

    at the top split I went right (looked easier but I never got to see left) and then on the bottom split I took left into a rut, looked less smooth but at it wasn't next to the 3 foot drop on the right

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    Thanks for sharing the vid... You make the widowmaker look easy. When things get that steep and loose I really struggle. My bike struggles too. All my friends think I'm extreme for doing the riding I do, but you guys make me look like an old granny.

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    I'd wager 90 percent or more of people who ride sm mountains have probably never ridden widowmaker so if you tried it at all you doing well.

    Also the bike I'm riding there is built specifically for trails like widowmaker, jdrop, jumps etc

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    Hectic (lower) is really fast but not really too tech, just steep. Easier than the other trails being discussed.
    Came across a good discussion + vid & photos of Widowmaker here
    I yard-saled so hard on WM a few years ago...I was trying to show off for a group of hikers on the benches at the bottom on my hardtail and wound up riding home with my scraped & bloody ass hanging out of what was left of my spandex. Some dude whistled at me while I was crossing Wilshire Blvd.

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    Great video.

    Hmm... now I'm thinking I need a full face helmet.

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    Want me to post my videos of me smashing in full face helmets? I have lots of those. I don't think I would have any front teeth without full face

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    Quote Originally Posted by jasonjm View Post
    Want me to post my videos of me smashing in full face helmets? I have lots of those. I don't think I would have any front teeth without full face
    Kinda, yeah.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jasonjm View Post
    Want me to post my videos of me smashing in full face helmets? I have lots of those. I don't think I would have any front teeth without full face
    Yes definitely post them up! I don't ride with a full-face, I guess that's one excuse for me to wimp out on the dangerous stuff.

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    i deleted almost all my video, was taking up too much space, could only salvage one crash where i was happy i was wearing FF (but there have been about 15 times so far)

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    yeah I learned to ride with a FF the hard way (while in a park with tall trees at least).
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    Quote Originally Posted by jasonjm View Post
    i deleted almost all my video, was taking up too much space, could only salvage one crash where i was happy i was wearing FF (but there have been about 15 times so far)

    ouch - YouTube
    Dang - good thing you leaned left instead of right. That looks like a decent drop.

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    Yeah I didn't know trail and thought I could shortcut straight. It happened so quick I didn't have time to do anything, just fell

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    Quote Originally Posted by jasonjm View Post
    Yeah I didn't know trail and thought I could shortcut straight. It happened so quick I didn't have time to do anything, just fell
    That's how I rearranged my chin in the 90s in San Diego.

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    shout out to kdiff who I saw arrive at the top of widowmaker exact time as me today

    Widowmaker is a much more fun run in dry loose conditions, it was too easy in the wet traction stuff, I like it now, all loose and more rutted

    Here is video from today as I started learning the trail and adding some juice.

    Its broken into 2 sections, because I stopped to push back up as I was not happy with how I cleared the one part, wanted to do it better which I did 2nd time.

    widowmaker top half
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    widowmaker lower half
    wm bottom half - YouTube

    uploaded in 1080p yeah baby

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    Hey jasonjm, it was good meeting you today. I did a second run down, but figured I would ride around back up rather than push back up. Thanks for the tips on the other trails. I checked out Upper & Lower Jedi after Widowmaker. (Passed Squirrel Cage so I had to do some backtracking to get back to my truck on Bayliss. Cost me a couple extra miles, but still a fun time.)

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    FYI - on lower Jedi someone rebuilt the jump that comes shortly after the right then left berms on the right side (pretty much the only 2 berms on the trail shortly before the final section of the trail). It's much bigger than before, so use caution if you haven't hit it lately.

    Cheers

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    I built that jump years ago, it's definitely eroded over time and needed to be rebuilt. hopefully whoever did it actually did a good job, there's been a bunch of sh1t built on jedi over that past couple years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by robncircus View Post
    FYI - on lower Jedi someone rebuilt the jump that comes shortly after the right then left berms on the right side (pretty much the only 2 berms on the trail shortly before the final section of the trail). It's much bigger than before, so use caution if you haven't hit it lately.

    Cheers

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    If you scroll back in this thread there is a video I posted here called Santa Monica mountains. Last 5 seconds of that video is me hitting that new jump at moderate speed.


    I'm hitting it full speed now. Probably landing 20 feet out and 10 vertical feet.

    Also the berm into this jump was repaired
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    Also just before that there is a new bigger gap jump too in video

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    Quote Originally Posted by jasonjm View Post
    If you scroll back in this thread there is a video I posted here called Santa Monica mountains. Last 5 seconds of that video is me hitting that new jump at moderate speed.


    I'm hitting it full speed now. Probably landing 20 feet out and 10 vertical feet.

    Also the berm into this jump was repaired
    yeah the berms look great. New jump is just much bigger than the old jump if a rider isn't prepared.

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    see there really wasnt any point to keeping my full face crashes on video

    I can almost post one new one a week I think

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    Quick edit from the Jedi Trails last week. Thought I'd share.

    <iframe src="http://player.vimeo.com/video/55419419?badge=0" width="500" height="281" frameborder="0" webkitAllowFullScreen mozallowfullscreen allowFullScreen></iframe> <p><a href="http://vimeo.com/55419419">Friday Group Ride</a> from <a href="http://vimeo.com/user6763923">Rob Clouthier</a> on <a href="http://vimeo.com">Vimeo</a>.</p>

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    Cool video Rob! Do those jumps have a lot of upward pop to them? When I was up there the other day I thought they looked a little intimidating. They don't look that bad in the video, but I know video can be deceiving.

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    They are not bad at all. You can see from the lady I was following you can kind of just ride off them if you want. It you want to go big that's an option too. They look worse in person than they are.

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    Cool, haven't seen a vid of jdrop in a while. The last time I rode it the rut down the middle was pretty cavernous.
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    no man that video is upper jedi, then lower jedi, then squirrl

    here is jdrop

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    I'm a hater for sure but, do you seriously push your DH bike up to Jedi?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jasonjm View Post
    no man that video is upper jedi, then lower jedi, then squirrl

    here is jdrop

    Bouncing camera, motion sickness central oh yeah - YouTube

    ugh I'm an idiot and didn't read that. I was wondering why it looked so much like squirrel hah.

    wow, backbone
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