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    The Golden Eagle Trail

    I rode the Golden Eagle trail back in September after our first bit of rains for the season and I really thought it was great ride. Good workout, great views, nice singletrack. You know all around good stuff.

    Here are a few pictures from that ride

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    The early climbing views

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    Here are the rest of the pictures and story.

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    Cool deal Bill. I rode it for the first time in years this fall. It was misty and cold, but very nice. By the way, a little trivia on how it got its name.

    I was riding the trail with my buddy Kevin (see the blog) and we were crossing off lines on the map and that day it included a faded trail off the end of Liebre. Barely there in spots and very overgrown, we were stoked as parts of it were (as you found out) just magical. As we broke out onto the grassy knoll section we looked up and spotted a huge raptor circling over us. We grew up out here looking at turkey vultures and hawks and this was neither. It was very different. We took the best pic we could and asked the ranger naturalist when we saw her again and she believed it to be a Golden Eagle. She said they do pass that way every once and awhile.

    In any case, the name stuck. the USFS was going to let that trail go back to the earth along with Five Deer Trail (officially Artesian Springs trail) but our interest in riding it and making it known again, and the fact we adopted Five Deer, kept that stuff open. That was a long time ago.

    Oh and Five Deer...the name for that is another story.

    Cool write up. I enjoy your journeys. We should ride sometime.
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    Great write-up, looks like you had nice soil conditions. Here's a video from a coupla years ago of the DH sections.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtroy
    ...We took the best pic we could and asked the ranger naturalist when we saw her again and she believed it to be a Golden Eagle....In any case, the name stuck. the USFS was going to let that trail go back to the earth along with Five Deer Trail (officially Artesian Springs trail) but our interest in riding it and making it known again, and the fact we adopted Five Deer, kept that stuff open. That was a long time ago.
    Right on, mtroy. It's a great trail.

    I rode Golden Eagle on Sunday. Great ride - cold, windy, and beautiful. Some pics:









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    Great trail, one of my favorites. Dang chilly up there this time of year (that wind, brrr....), but the ride is worthy. Thanks for the pics and thank you, mtroy, for your part in keeping Golden Eagle open for us all to enjoy.
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    Whats that on the side of the trail in the pic above the tire trax???
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    Meow...! Man, was that a thrill.

    With all the wind it presumably couldn't hear me, and as far as I could tell never knew I was there - which was fine with me.

    About an hour later, on the other side of the ridge, I saw eight or nine head of deer, including a couple of young ones.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scottay
    Whats that on the side of the trail in the pic above the tire trax???
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    [QUOTE=MrMountainHop]Right on, mtroy. It's a great trail.QUOTE]


    Yes it is. I have never wanted to ride it in the snow though....brrrrr. Very nice...and brave.

    Where is that section with the rocks near the side of the trail? Very near the bottom or? I can't picture that for some reason, but it looks like you are riding up the trail there since the slope is on your left?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mtroy
    Bobcat?
    I would say that is a wee big for a bobcat

    For reference, here is a bobcat on a more narrow road than the fireroad on Liebre Mountain
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    OK Bill, you got me. It is a grizzly bear, missed it the first time!

    OK, just kidding.

    Too big..mmmaybe. I cannot see a tail like a Mtn Lion would have....looong tails...still, I bet it is a kitty cat of some kind, bear jokes not withstanding. If I was a Lion, I would sure love to hang out on Liebre.

    I used to host a ride that went over Liebre and ended below Five Deer in Leona Valley. Great ride......something like 45 miles or so of forest road.

    This weekend, I was looking at pics from the early 90s of that ride. I am gonna do that again this next year.


    Liebre is a very cool area as well as Sawmill Mtn to the east.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrMountainHop
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    Having thought about this all day...

    ... I think that was a big-ass bobcat, not a mountain lion.

    The cat seemed to be all brown, but the light was a little flat and I was seeing it through the tree, so it may have been striped. It had a bobbed tail - mountain lions have long tails; I suppose it's theoretically possible kitty got its tail chewed off in a fight... but it ain't likely.

    I encountered the tracks literally right over the ridge from the cat, and they were obviously super-fresh. I thought at the time that the tracks were too small to belong to the animal I saw, but perhaps not.

    Funny: either way, perception counts. I spent the next hour or so checking over my shoulder to avoid any eat-tation.

    Man, I was so jazzed yesterday! You should have seen the way it swaggered. Oh well - let the quest continue.

    Edit: when I got home from work I reviewed the other photos. No question it was a bobcat - ringed stripes are clear on the hind legs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mtroy

    Liebre is a very cool area as well as Sawmill Mtn to the east.
    That area is a major haul for me for a day-trip but I gonna have to go back up there and check out more of the area.

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    [QUOTE=mtbbill]I would say that is a wee big for a bobcat

    Bobcat, yes that is a Bobcat. Scottays picture is also a Bobcat.

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    I want to ride this but I don't want to deal with snow .. I'm having a hard time dealing with 50 degrees as it is.

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    I almost did Golden Eagle on Sunday but chose Devil's Punchbowl instead. It had too much snow to be fun and I only did 6 miles. Looks like G.E. had just the right amount of snow and no hikers! It's probably all melted now and will be great next weekend! If you or mtroy or mtbikebill want to ride it next weekend or any other time, let me know and I'll join you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scottay
    Whats that on the side of the trail in the pic above the tire trax???
    Bobcat. Short tail and size. See them in Sycamore a lot. I've seen larger ones. Much too small to be a mtn lion (I've seen lions too.)

    The body shape matches a bobcat, longer legs and shorter back compared to a mtn lion.

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    Where is that section with the rocks near the side of the trail? Very near the bottom or? I can't picture that for some reason, but it looks like you are riding up the trail there since the slope is on your left?
    It's near the top of the sandy singletrack. He's climbing toward the first fireroad crossing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scottay
    Whats that on the side of the trail in the pic above the tire trax???
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    stoked

    I'd be stoked to hit this trail up. Mtbill had a super write up as usual and I'm sure we all would love to see/hear more from his exploits.

    Let me know when someone wants to go midweek in the am.

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    Tues/Weds work for me for the next few weeks. Whens school out Maddog?


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    Quote Originally Posted by mtbbill
    That area is a major haul for me for a day-trip but I gonna have to go back up there and check out more of the area.
    Next time, start from Lake Hughes road at the other end of the Sawmill Motorway (the other end of the Liebre Mtn Road FS#??) and ride northwest up to Burnt Peak, the high point in the range at 5788' IIRC. I saw the Pacific Ocean at Ventura from there on a fall day shown as a glint of light on the horizon. Big climb, about 3 hours overall. Then you can come back the way you came or head down to Pine Cyn Rd OR try the two trails connecting Upper Shake and Lower Shake campgrounds. Not sure what that is like anymore. The Boy Scouts used to keep it up.

    I did the trail below Burnt Peak and up the back side of Atmore Meadows once. Really remote.

    I know the area pretty well so if you have any questions before you make the trek, PM me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtroy
    Next time, start from Lake Hughes road at the other end of the Sawmill Motorway (the other end of the Liebre Mtn Road FS#??) and ride northwest up to Burnt Peak, the high point in the range at 5788' IIRC. I saw the Pacific Ocean at Ventura from there on a fall day shown as a glint of light on the horizon. Big climb, about 3 hours overall. Then you can come back the way you came or head down to Pine Cyn Rd OR try the two trails connecting Upper Shake and Lower Shake campgrounds. Not sure what that is like anymore. The Boy Scouts used to keep it up.

    I did the trail below Burnt Peak and up the back side of Atmore Meadows once. Really remote.

    I know the area pretty well so if you have any questions before you make the trek, PM me.

    OH...told ya. Bobcat.
    Nice...We were discussing some of those options on the September ride. I'll be in touch for sho.

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    Great shots of Mr. Bobcat Pacman. How close were you? Either you were within twenty feet or you have a serious telephoto lens.

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    OK .. do you need an adventure pass to park at the bottom?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DIRTJUNKIE,
    Great shots of Mr. Bobcat Pacman. How close were you? Either you were within twenty feet or you have a serious telephoto lens.
    Thanks - Twenty feet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pacman
    Thanks - Twenty feet.
    So lets hear the story..................

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    Quote Originally Posted by DIRTJUNKIE,
    So lets hear the story..................
    Story? I think he was cold and just warming in sun. I just pedaled on. In the Spring I'd see almost one every day (notice the green grass in the first photo).

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    Bobcats are pretty easy to find in our area. I susally see 2 or so a year. Got hit in the helmet by one once

    I have never seen a Cougar yet and I bet I never will. They are pretty elusive, although I imagine I have ridden past some who chose to remain anonymous...thankfully. Maybe it is the 'barking hound dog' trail bell I have on my bike. Whatever works
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    I am trying to find this trail on google earth but non of the road names match up! I think the google info is new after they probably renamed all the roads due to palmdale growing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mordy
    I am trying to find this trail on google earth but non of the road names match up! I think the google info is new after they probably renamed all the roads due to palmdale growing.
    Yeah, that area is a mess as far as map services goes. Google Earth has it one way, MapQuest another, my Topo software is yet another, and the large scale forest service map does not designate the trail but shows it.

    I tried to mention the differences when needed on my review and map.

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    hah, i was looking in totally the wrong area. I was looking off the 138 off the 14.

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    Golden Eagle is visible wherever it cuts thru open, grassy areas. The very top of the singletrack is under tree cover, but you can easily spot the first place it crosses 7N14--> Begin by locating Liebre Mountain on Google Earth, then search the area just below 7N14 from Liebre Mountain. This is the "E" on MtbBill's map. From there you can sporadically follow the trail, but you'll lose it frequently in the trees.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LadyDi
    Golden Eagle is visible wherever it cuts thru open, grassy areas. The very top of the singletrack is under tree cover, but you can easily spot the first place it crosses 7N14--> Begin by locating Liebre Mountain on Google Earth, then search the area just below 7N14 from Liebre Mountain. This is the "E" on MtbBill's map. From there you can sporadically follow the trail, but you'll lose it frequently in the trees.
    I also have a KML file for Google Earth on the review that you can download.

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    Sooooooooo, just to start getting to know the area:

    (looking at MTB Bill's map) Would it be a good route to start at "A" and ride up 8N04 through "N" and "B", hang a right at "D", head over to "C" and then ride the singletrack (delineated in red) back to "A"?

    I'm just down at the bottom of the hill off I-5 in Castaic, so I'd really like to check this route out. TIA.

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    BTW: The kml file link led me to a long page of gibberish. I have GoogleEarth and have used kmz files with it, but is there some other software I need to make that link useful?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeffj
    Sooooooooo, just to start getting to know the area:

    (looking at MTB Bill's map) Would it be a good route to start at "A" and ride up 8N04 through "N" and "B", hang a right at "D", head over to "C" and then ride the singletrack (delineated in red) back to "A"?

    I'm just down at the bottom of the hill off I-5 in Castaic, so I'd really like to check this route out. TIA.

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    BTW: The kml file link led me to a long page of gibberish. I have GoogleEarth and have used kmz files with it, but is there some other software I need to make that link useful?

    It is not too hard to find. I usually ride up the fireroad and you can see where the trail crosses the road if you keep your eyes peeled. Riding up the trail from the very bottom is easy to find as you pick it up nearly directly across from the parking at Sandbergs but that bottom section would be much harder than the fireroad.

    I am in Castaic as well. Let me know if ya want and I can show it to ya. I can get reeeaaall cold and windy up there though.
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    A suggested route for first timers..

    It's best to buddy-up with someone like MtRoy who knows the area, but if you go on your own-- park at the ruins of the old Sandberg Inn (directions below). Set your odo to zero. Then pedal up Old Ridge Route (8N04) a couple miles and hang a tight left at dirt 7N23. Continue up & up (~2,000 ft. climb) 7N23 all the way to point "G" on MtbBill's topo, a total distance of about 9 miles from Sandberg Inn. Turn left at this wide area "G" and look for the singletrack "F" on your left near a fenceline. It's only a little ways in (maybe a hundred feet or less). To your right is the PCT, to the left is Golden Eagle. Now it's ST all the way back, thru the trees, across the hillsides, and criss-crossing 7N23 several times. On the final section watch out for a "Y" in the trail. Stay to your LEFT at the "Y". The rest is a fun descent-- you'll pop out onto the Old Ridge Route almost exactly opposite your car.

    Yes, you can hop onto the singletrack at any point on your way up 7N23, but it takes a sharp eye to spot those x'ings on your first trip. There are also some false-lead moto tracks. On your second trip up you'll have a better idea what to look for.

    DIRECTIONS TO SANDBERG INN: I-5 to 138 (just before Gorman). East on 138 3.5 mi, turn Rt on "Old Ridge Route" just beyond Quail Lake. Continue up Old Ridge Route appx 2.5 mi. Continue past Pine Canyon Rd. You'll see another sign for "Old Ridge Route", keep going. Look for a wide area on your right & a stone marker between two big oaks. This is Sandberg Inn.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LadyDi
    It's best to buddy-up with someone like MtRoy who knows the area, but if you go on your own-- park at the ruins of the old Sandberg Inn (directions below). Set your odo to zero. Then pedal up Old Ridge Route (8N04) a couple miles and hang a tight left at dirt 7N23. Continue up & up (~2,000 ft. climb) 7N23 all the way to point "G" on MtbBill's topo, a total distance of about 9 miles from Sandberg Inn. Turn left at this wide area "G" and look for the singletrack "F" on your left near a fenceline. It's only a little ways in (maybe a hundred feet or less). To your right is the PCT, to the left is Golden Eagle. Now it's ST all the way back, thru the trees, across the hillsides, and criss-crossing 7N23 several times. On the final section watch out for a "Y" in the trail. Stay to your LEFT at the "Y". The rest is a fun descent-- you'll pop out onto the Old Ridge Route almost exactly opposite your car.

    Yes, you can hop onto the singletrack at any point on your way up 7N23, but it takes a sharp eye to spot those x'ings on your first trip. There are also some false-lead moto tracks. On your second trip up you'll have a better idea what to look for.

    DIRECTIONS TO SANDBERG INN: I-5 to 138 (just before Gorman). East on 138 3.5 mi, turn Rt on "Old Ridge Route" just beyond Quail Lake. Continue up Old Ridge Route appx 2.5 mi. Continue past Pine Canyon Rd. You'll see another sign for "Old Ridge Route", keep going. Look for a wide area on your right & a stone marker between two big oaks. This is Sandberg Inn.

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    I rode it today. Very great conditions, not much wind except at the bottom. I'll post pics later. Right now I am kinda pooped. The climb up was not bad for to elevation you climb. I followed mtbbill's directions and was only kind of confused once between C and E. I took the scenic road route as I thought it would be less steep. It had great views.

    I took a while to get up as the higher i got the quicker i got winded, i guess it was the higher elevation and cold air just didn't help.

    I'm glad i brought a wind proof jacket for the way down as i'd be an ice cube.

    I saw the bobcat on the warm southern face. He didn't give me a chance to get a picture though.

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    Heres my pictures over in passion:

    http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.ph...78#post3872378

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtroy
    Cool deal Bill. I rode it for the first time in years this fall. It was misty and cold, but very nice. By the way, a little trivia on how it got its name.

    I was riding the trail with my buddy Kevin (see the blog) and we were crossing off lines on the map and that day it included a faded trail off the end of Liebre. Barely there in spots and very overgrown, we were stoked as parts of it were (as you found out) just magical. As we broke out onto the grassy knoll section we looked up and spotted a huge raptor circling over us. We grew up out here looking at turkey vultures and hawks and this was neither. It was very different. We took the best pic we could and asked the ranger naturalist when we saw her again and she believed it to be a Golden Eagle. She said they do pass that way every once and awhile.

    In any case, the name stuck. the USFS was going to let that trail go back to the earth along with Five Deer Trail (officially Artesian Springs trail) but our interest in riding it and making it known again, and the fact we adopted Five Deer, kept that stuff open. That was a long time ago.

    Oh and Five Deer...the name for that is another story.

    Cool write up. I enjoy your journeys. We should ride sometime.
    Five Deer is one of my fav rides.

    ..also thanks Mtroy(if this is you!??) for the books you put together all those years back!...they led me to "said trails" well over 17 years ago!

    A partial quote "Some of the finest single track in the area"..or something like that..what did you say of Golden Eagle again?! heh-heh

    Well whatever you said you were right!... And your book caused me to search Golden Eagle out well over 15 years ago! ...thanks
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    Quote Originally Posted by MGW12
    Five Deer is one of my fav rides.

    ..also thanks Mtroy(if this is you!??) for the books you put together all those years back!...they led me to "said trails" well over 17 years ago!

    A partial quote "Some of the finest single track in the area"..or something like that..what did you say of Golden Eagle again?! heh-heh

    Well whatever you said you were right!... And your book caused me to search Golden Eagle out well over 15 years ago! ...thanks
    Guilty as charged. Glad it did what it was supposed to do...help you find new places to get out and ride.

    I share the credit with my buddy Kevin. He was co-author. Fun stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pacman
    Story? I think he was cold and just warming in sun. I just pedaled on. In the Spring I'd see almost one every day (notice the green grass in the first photo).
    Cool! You are a lucky man to have Bobcats as a common sight on your rides.

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    It looks like good land for a cougar up there, but theres no deer sign at all. Probably because theres no water. No deer means probably no cougar.

    I think your bobcat can survive on very little water, mostly from its prey alone. I remember watching something about them on some nature show about how they live in areas where its below freezing all the time and theres no easily available water.

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    ... and if we just ... Nice report on Golden Eagle!!

    I've ridden that trail many times... it's in excellent shape right now. Not so back 10 years ago .. ripped up a nice jersey one time. Last year we ended up in a near white out with mixed snow and rain.. had to wring out my gloves twice.

    Glad to see your still riding MTroy... I used to ride with Grapevine back a long time ago.. Redrock, Alley Oop, Allegany etc. BTW. the Upper Shake Lower Shake trail ( Alley Oop) is rideable but not in very good shape these days. We normally ride fire road from Lake Hughes and then go down trail and back on Pine Canyon rd.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crank'nStein
    I've ridden that trail many times... it's in excellent shape right now. Not so back 10 years ago .. ripped up a nice jersey one time. Last year we ended up in a near white out with mixed snow and rain.. had to wring out my gloves twice.

    Glad to see your still riding MTroy... I used to ride with Grapevine back a long time ago.. Redrock, Alley Oop, Allegany etc. BTW. the Upper Shake Lower Shake trail ( Alley Oop) is rideable but not in very good shape these days. We normally ride fire road from Lake Hughes and then go down trail and back on Pine Canyon rd.

    Ah, a mystery man. Who are you, masked Crank'nStein?

    Man, I had forgotten all about those names. Wasn't Allegheny off of the climb to Warm Springs? I just rode past that today over to Cienega.
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    I ride these days with a group of guys from SCV and AV. We ride road and Mountain ( a little cross too). I used to ride with Tony I. and others.

    I actually spent as few days working Allegheny back then. Rode it last year after doing Warm Springs lookout. About half bushwack and half ride.

    We ride Wed nites around SCV and meet at Wolf Creek after . Also do weekend rides in Saugus District of Angeles and elsewhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crank'nStein
    I've ridden that trail many times... it's in excellent shape right now. Not so back 10 years ago .. ripped up a nice jersey one time. Last year we ended up in a near white out with mixed snow and rain.. had to wring out my gloves twice.

    Glad to see your still riding MTroy... I used to ride with Grapevine back a long time ago.. Redrock, Alley Oop, Allegany etc. BTW. the Upper Shake Lower Shake trail ( Alley Oop) is rideable but not in very good shape these days. We normally ride fire road from Lake Hughes and then go down trail and back on Pine Canyon rd.
    YEp I also have ridden that well over 10 years ago & I rememer rippin clothing & hands..before full finger gloves came into existence ! heh-heh! That ride has just gotten better over the years!...Anyone remember that nast Knat section, kinda like a shoot area!? I think it was an option or the trail just got rerouted to the original section that had one time gotten sow overgrown the shoot section was a bi-pass!? heh-heh! & no I have not been smokin anything over the years! heh-heh
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    Did this trail this past weekend.
    It was fun, narrow, not too twisty or loose.
    The climb up the fireroad was a bit of a pain but the descent was worth it.
    Down was as fast as you felt comfortable and a scosh more.
    Armor and full finger gloves required for the holly bushes, close trees and stickers that crowded the trail.
    It was pretty chilly and a bit windy. The two combined with my lack of conditioning and the climb to make me pretty ragged out by the end.

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