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    Fury Lane is closed by CDFG

    It's official, Fury Lane is closed. Signage is in place. Eco extremist strike again. AKA: California Department of Fish & Game (CDFG).

    San Diego is in lock down by your Government.

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    wow, bike shops are going to take a major hit in sales or mountain bike related things.

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    Fury Lane is closed by CDFG

    I noticed there is a ton of new signage on the trails west of the steel bridge marking the boundaries of sweet water and the Eco reserve. Right now, the signs just say "no unauthorized entry," without making clear what constitutes unauthorized entry. Not sure if that is a prelude to stronger measures or not.

    Between PQ, MTRP, and now Fury, it feels like it's open season on mountain bikers. Seriously, where the f%#¥ can we ride at this point?

    Where is the CDFW crackdown coming from? Did they just get new management or something?

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    Quote Originally Posted by D_Man View Post
    I noticed there is a ton of new signage on the trails west of the steel bridge marking the boundaries of sweet water and the Eco reserve. Right now, the signs just say "no unauthorized entry," without making clear what constitutes unauthorized entry. Not sure if that is a prelude to stronger measures or not.

    Between PQ, MTRP, and now Fury, it feels like it's open season on mountain bikers. Seriously, where the f%#• can we ride at this point?

    Where is the CDFW crackdown coming from? Did they just get new management or something?
    I am not familiar with this trail name although I am sure I have ridden there. Where exactly is this one?
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    Quote Originally Posted by D_Man View Post
    I noticed there is a ton of new signage on the trails west of the steel bridge marking the boundaries of sweet water and the Eco reserve. Right now, the signs just say "no unauthorized entry," without making clear what constitutes unauthorized entry. Not sure if that is a prelude to stronger measures or not.

    Between PQ, MTRP, and now Fury, it feels like it's open season on mountain bikers. Seriously, where the f%#• can we ride at this point?

    Where is the CDFW crackdown coming from? Did they just get new management or something?
    Laws were put in place by the tools in Sacramento over the years, who the voters continue to put back in office.. For whatever reason they are heavily enforcing those laws now. Threatening land owners with lawsuits for mismanagement of land.. So we are hearing a lot of our hands are tied from land owners/City. A strong showing from trail users is all the will get us our trails back, and possibly some more extreme methods then just letter writing & phone calls. SDMBA is our hub for how to proceed from here. Get the word out to friends & family.

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    Re: Fury Lane is closed by CDFG

    Agenda 21 in full force.

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    Quote Originally Posted by D_Man View Post
    I noticed there is a ton of new signage on the trails west of the steel bridge marking the boundaries of sweet water and the Eco reserve. Right now, the signs just say "no unauthorized entry," without making clear what constitutes unauthorized entry. Not sure if that is a prelude to stronger measures or not.

    Between PQ, MTRP, and now Fury, it feels like it's open season on mountain bikers. Seriously, where the f%#• can we ride at this point?

    Where is the CDFW crackdown coming from? Did they just get new management or something?
    After the CDFG enviro wackos ousted Dan Richards(the last actual hunter/fisher on the board) from the former DFG they renamed it Dept of Fish & Wildlife under the new management led by present commissioner Jim Kellogg (from World Wildlife Fund, over on the CWB it's led by Charlton Bonham who is pretty much an animal rights extremist) has completely re-focused the agency to a touchy feely mission statement. Bonham recently threw his support thru an open letter behind some anti-hunting and anti-2nd amendment legislation that Moonbeam signed into law. Get a subscription to Western Outdoor News, MSM doesn't cover this stuff. DFW and CWB pretty much dance to HSUS tune.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jazzanova View Post
    Agenda 21 in full force.
    Shhhh, there's a lot of people that prefer to remain ignorant here. And make sure not to tell them that San Diego is a member of the ICLEI( the international clearinghouse for "sustainable development" Local Action Moves the World ‚ÄĒ ICLEI Local Governments for Sustainability USA). They might find the tie in toHome .:. Sustainable Development Knowledge Platform or even read docs there like http://sustainabledevelopment.un.org...s/Agenda21.pdf or with a little more digging might find nuggets like thisecn171997-1.rpt1* Local Agenda 21 Survey, but I hear ignorance is bliss.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jazzanova View Post
    Agenda 21 in full force.
    And the Black UN helicopters won't be far behind.

    But seriously, there's no conspiracy theory necessary to see what's happening here. In DMM, following Pardee bulldozing one mesa flat for townhomes and McMansions, they suddenly decide the redneck rodeo, free dumpground, and migrant residential district that is the remaining DMM is 'Prisitine habitat'....all to 'mitigate' for the development surrounding it.

    In MTRP, the land north of 52, in between a firing range, the dump, and just over the ridge from the soon-to-be-developed Fanita Ranch subdivision also becomes 'pristine'. The more land that gets developed, the more the remaining open space is coveted, both by the developers-turned-eco-extremists, and the CDFG, which I'm convinced has an Agenda, just not 'Agenda 21'. The REAL agenda is to serve as the mitigation goons and lackeys for these developers, and their bought-and-paid-for shills, known as our "council', and 'local government' in general.

    We may have voted somebody in, but if you want a 'conspiracy theory', look no further than these 'Strange Bedfellows', who claim that the only way to keep the 'Job Creators' in San Diego is to let them gobble up more and more open space, and make a serious profit doing it. All with little or no contribution to the infrastructure that will be needed to service these new neighborhoods. Not to mention where the water is gonna come from for all those new toilets to flush.

    It's an ugly fraudulent, vicious circle-jerk we see going on here. Even the USMC is in on the ruse, having the Miramar CO claim in one sentence that the USMC needs to protect the 'habitat' AND protect the public from unexploded ordnance that is supposed to be strewn all over that 'prisitine habitat'. What kind of BS is that, anyway? And it all goes unquestioned by the public here.

    And so it goes....

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    Fury Lane is closed by CDFG

    Any reports on the fury lane meeting today?

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    Are they leveling the jumps?

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    $600 trespassing tickets to be issued beginning Sunday, 11-17-2013. This includes dog walkers, hikers & bicyclists.

    The jumps will be leveled because the property is mitigation land. Sound familiar? More info to follow.
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    Fury Lane is closed by CDFG

    ya, developers provide union labor. California is controlled by unions and eco freaks. it's not a conspiracy it's a fact. also mountain bikers are easy pickings for these guys. it's easier to kick bikers off trails than to go after a multi million dollar housing development.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boulder Pilot View Post
    $600 trespassing tickets to be issued beginning Sunday, 11-17-2013. This includes dog walkers, hikers & bicyclists.

    The jumps will be leveled because the property is mitigation land. Sound familiar? More info to follow.
    All too familiar. Thanks BP.

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    It was conspiracy theory maybe 20 years ago, now fact. Clown it with black helos etc if it makes you feel better but realize that this is a well coordinated effort that includes turning most national forest/parks/BLM lands into "Wilderness". Bush 1 signed the original and Clinton, Bush2, and Obama have all signed EOs to align US policy with it "sustainable development"(21). This really picked up pace under Clinton's "roadless initiative" (that puzzled the IMBA for some reason, ignorance most likely but then they made their stupid, ****ty deal with the See Air Uh Club to not fight wilderness designation) that turned roaded areas into "pristine" roadless areas ready for wilderness status(sound familiar?), and under Obama this has resumed at breakneck pace. Agenda 21 boiled down to its roots is meant to keep people away from nature as it is written by progressives/statists, the assumption is that all things derive from the state so the preserve/forest/park does not belong to the people it belongs to the state. As wilderness status has shown even trails there fall into disuse by hikers as equipment cannot be brought in to fix them after storms, fires, and other natural causes, this was the intention. The ICLEI currently counts over 130 cities in California as members, about as many as the rest of the country combined, it's a way to give an NGO group a say in how our land is used.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ray Raton View Post
    And the Black UN helicopters won't be far behind.

    But seriously, there's no conspiracy theory necessary to see what's happening here. In DMM, following Pardee bulldozing one mesa flat for townhomes and McMansions, they suddenly decide the redneck rodeo, free dumpground, and migrant residential district that is the remaining DMM is 'Prisitine habitat'....all to 'mitigate' for the development surrounding it.

    In MTRP, the land north of 52, in between a firing range, the dump, and just over the ridge from the soon-to-be-developed Fanita Ranch subdivision also becomes 'pristine'. The more land that gets developed, the more the remaining open space is coveted, both by the developers-turned-eco-extremists, and the CDFG, which I'm convinced has an Agenda, just not 'Agenda 21'. The REAL agenda is to serve as the mitigation goons and lackeys for these developers, and their bought-and-paid-for shills, known as our "council', and 'local government' in general.

    We may have voted somebody in, but if you want a 'conspiracy theory', look no further than these 'Strange Bedfellows', who claim that the only way to keep the 'Job Creators' in San Diego is to let them gobble up more and more open space, and make a serious profit doing it. All with little or no contribution to the infrastructure that will be needed to service these new neighborhoods. Not to mention where the water is gonna come from for all those new toilets to flush.

    It's an ugly fraudulent, vicious circle-jerk we see going on here. Even the USMC is in on the ruse, having the Miramar CO claim in one sentence that the USMC needs to protect the 'habitat' AND protect the public from unexploded ordnance that is supposed to be strewn all over that 'prisitine habitat'. What kind of BS is that, anyway? And it all goes unquestioned by the public here.

    And so it goes....

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    Quote Originally Posted by socal_jack View Post
    It was conspiracy theory maybe 20 years ago, now fact. Clown it with black helos etc if it makes you feel better but realize that this is a well coordinated effort that includes turning most national forest/parks/BLM lands into "Wilderness". Bush 1 signed the original and Clinton, Bush2, and Obama have all signed EOs to align US policy with it "sustainable development"(21). This really picked up pace under Clinton's "roadless initiative" (that puzzled the IMBA for some reason, ignorance most likely but then they made their stupid, ****ty deal with the See Air Uh Club to not fight wilderness designation) that turned roaded areas into "pristine" roadless areas ready for wilderness status(sound familiar?), and under Obama this has resumed at breakneck pace. Agenda 21 boiled down to its roots is meant to keep people away from nature as it is written by progressives/statists, the assumption is that all things derive from the state so the preserve/forest/park does not belong to the people it belongs to the state. As wilderness status has shown even trails there fall into disuse by hikers as equipment cannot be brought in to fix them after storms, fires, and other natural causes, this was the intention. The ICLEI currently counts over 130 cities in California as members, about as many as the rest of the country combined, it's a way to give an NGO group a say in how our land is used.
    The simple application of Occam's Razor to the situation we have here actually does render your paranoid-eque storyline fairly irrelevant. San Diego has always been about real estate, and developers. If Agenda 21 was so all-encompassing and far-reaching, then Pardee never would have bulldozed DMM, and Fanita Ranch would be nixed. both of these developments are for certain , "un-sustainable".

    I'm glad you don't also subscribe to the Black-Helo school of thought, but yer gettin' close, and I sure would not want this fight to be co-opted by a sub group of ideological tinfoil hat cases. It would serve to weaken, divide, and conquer....handing yet another victory to the Strange Bedfellows, and the Usual Suspects. None of us want that.
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    Thanks to everyone who showed up to the meeting. Venting our frustration on forums, makes us feel better, but taking action and showing up for important meeting and events is what will get us results. Everyone needs to educate themselves on the subject so we can better educate our friend, and alies, and prepare a plan to fight this beast.

    Cool to have supporters like Red Bull Rampage Rider, Wil White out there. He has the notoriety to reach lots of people.

    Thanks again for showing showing up. More then we can say for the cowards at California Department of Fish & Wildlife (CDFW).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray Raton View Post
    The simple application of Occam's Razor to the situation we have here actually does render your paranoid-eque storyline fairly irrelevant. San Diego has always been about real estate, and developers. If Agenda 21 was so all-encompassing and far-reaching, then Pardee never would have bulldozed DMM, and Fanita Ranch would be nixed. both of these developments are for certain , "un-sustainable".

    I'm glad you don't also subscribe to the Black-Helo school of thought, but yer gettin' close, and I sure would not want this fight to be co-opted by a sub group of ideological tinfoil hat cases. It would serve to weaken, divide, and conquer....handing yet another victory to the Strange Bedfellows, and the Usual Suspects. None of us want that.
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    Misapplication of Occam's Razor, without 21 there'd be no discussion of "sustainable development", that is where the terminology originated in the late 80s and codified in the 90s in San Diego. Without it there's be nothing to mitigate, development would be at full pace. Of course nothing prevents the land swaps and crony payouts.

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    Fury Lane is closed by CDFG

    There is nothing sustainable about the development going on in San Diego. Story of money, pure and simple. If the enviros really had power, things might still be f'ed up, but they would look very different than they do today. Does this really look like an enviro 's paradise to anyone? Major face palm!

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    Quote Originally Posted by D_Man View Post
    There is nothing sustainable about the development going on in San Diego. Story of money, pure and simple. If the enviros really had power, things might still be f'ed up, but they would look very different than they do today. Does this really look like an enviro 's paradise to anyone? Major face palm!
    Just think of what would happen if every toilet in San Diego county got flushed at once. Catastrophe!

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    Did the CDFW person interviewed in this article REALLY compare nature trails and dirt jumps to a Contractor DUMPING construction supplies in a creek?

    I fail to see how those two things are connected in any way shape or form. For Shame.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Klurejr View Post
    Did the CDFW person interviewed in this article REALLY compare nature trails and dirt jumps to a Contractor DUMPING construction supplies in a creek?

    I fail to see how those two things are connected in any way shape or form. For Shame.
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    Quote Originally Posted by D_Man View Post
    There is nothing sustainable about the development going on in San Diego. Story of money, pure and simple. If the enviros really had power, things might still be f'ed up, but they would look very different than they do today. Does this really look like an enviro 's paradise to anyone? Major face palm!
    You're right it is all about money and power. But I would say that we are seeing the effects of the environmentalist mafia (and union labor and developers which are mostly behind the development push) in the form of policy making at the federal, state and local levels.

    I expect many more trails to be shutdown in the near future. And they will use all kinds of excuses to justify it (illegal trails building, some spotted toad, a bird, whatever).

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    Quote Originally Posted by leadmoto View Post
    Thanks to everyone who showed up to the meeting. Venting our frustration on forums, makes us feel better, but taking action and showing up for important meeting and events is what will get us results. Everyone needs to educate themselves on the subject so we can better educate our friend, and alies, and prepare a plan to fight this beast.

    Cool to have supporters like Red Bull Rampage Rider, Wil White out there. He has the notoriety to reach lots of people.

    Thanks again for showing showing up. More then we can say for the cowards at California Department of Fish & Wildlife (CDFW).


    Wow, that's awesome! I wish I could have made it out there. You're right. Actions speak louder than words (on a MTB forum).

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    They already bulldozed Fury Lane jumps. Did they have a storm water pollution plan submitted and approved? Did they have a grading permit? Are they above the law? Maybe they already had the permits in place prior to notifying the public.
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    One thing that isn't clear to me WRT the whole Fury Lane Fiasco: are they closing only the BMX jumps, or also the XC trails that go up to Via Escuda?

    Those trails are actually used mostly by hikers and dog walkers from the neighborhood in my experience. The day they stick a dog walker with a $600 ticket is the day when the whole thing might really blow up in CDFW's face.

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    Quote Originally Posted by D_Man View Post
    One thing that isn't clear to me WRT the whole Fury Lane Fiasco: are they closing only the BMX jumps, or also the XC trails that go up to Via Escuda?

    Those trails are actually used mostly by hikers and dog walkers from the neighborhood in my experience. The day they stick a dog walker with a $600 ticket is the day when the whole thing might really blow up in CDFW's face.
    According to the article linked they are closing everything to everyone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Klurejr View Post
    According to the article linked they are closing everything to everyone.
    Guess that's right, then it also says "Zacovic said the dirt mounds will be removed in the coming weeks and that eventually, hiking trails would be put in." So they are going to close the entire thing, replant everything, and THEN put back in hiking trails years later?

    It's a similar problem to the one at East Elliot where they seem to feel the pressing need to close things before any alternatives can be put in place, which makes compliance really dubious, and generally alienates user groups.

    Here's a stupidly simple solution for gov't agencies: get user groups involved in the decision to close something beforehand, show them what the long-term plan is, solicit their help in building some alt/sustainable trials, then get their help in decommissioning the old and unsustainable ones. People won't like it 100%, but they will understand it and won't feel like officials are just being inflexible and dictatorial. As a bonus, you'll likely get more compliance, and free labor in building and maintaining things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by D_Man View Post
    Guess that's right, then it also says "Zacovic said the dirt mounds will be removed in the coming weeks and that eventually, hiking trails would be put in." So they are going to close the entire thing, replant everything, and THEN put back in hiking trails years later?

    It's a similar problem to the one at East Elliot where they seem to feel the pressing need to close things before any alternatives can be put in place, which makes compliance really dubious, and generally alienates user groups.

    Here's a stupidly simple solution for gov't agencies: get user groups involved in the decision to close something beforehand, show them what the long-term plan is, solicit their help in building some alt/sustainable trials, then get their help in decommissioning the old and unsustainable ones. People won't like it 100%, but they will understand it and won't feel like officials are just being inflexible and dictatorial. As a bonus, you'll likely get more compliance, and free labor in building and maintaining things.
    That makes too much sense, and more importantly, I doesn't give the newly-empowered CDFW officers the chance to bully anybody around. They have to feel important by citing citizens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by leadmoto View Post
    They already bulldozed Fury Lane jumps. Did they have a storm water pollution plan submitted and approved? Did they have a grading permit? Are they above the law? Maybe they already had the permits in place prior to notifying the public.
    I imagine they consider it a new vernal pool by now.

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    The permits that allowed the destruction of the jumps were secured a while ago. The entire area will be posted with "No Trespassing" signs, which means everyone, dog walkers, hikers, riders and little neighborhood kids "just playing."

    I'm now trying to keep the displaced riders engaged and focused on a long term solution. Supervisor Jacob and I are meeting on 1-15-2014 to discuss what it will take to create authorized solutions. Stay tuned.
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    Ha, I was at Islands in Mission Valley for lunch and she was right next to me. Too noisy to ease drop but it was a business lunch. It was really hard not to say anything snarky given her disdain for any requests over the DMM several years ago. I hope your meeting goes better.
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    I'll be meeting with County Supervisor Dianne Jacob tomorrow to discuss the creation of a world-class bicycle park. With the loss of the Fury jumpsite, and the irresponsible way the City of SD is currently dealing/not dealing with off-road bicycling issues, I'm hoping our County decision makers with rise to the challenge and show all residents how local government can work with the community.

    I bring to tomorrows meeting a Letter of Support from the President of Cuyamaca College. His letter urges all parties to work towards a solution to replace the Fury jumpsite. I also have a Letter of Support from The Earth Discovery Institute, which works with both CDFW and USFWS, offering conservation educational programs to area school children. Talk about support. I'll read the letter to all that attend tomorrows SDMBA meeting. I hope after hearing the letter one re-evaluates just who is actually trying to work with trail users and who are the people not doing their god damn jobs.

    When one thinks of a bike park, Valmont usually first comes to mind. I want to help change that. San Diego Bike Park. Yep, that sounds much better. Stay tuned.
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    Boulder--I have a hardcopy (no electronic file) of a proposal for the property at 7410 Waite Dr in La Mesa that was submitted to La Mesa planners back in November. Just emailed them yesterday to see where that may be-- do you want a copy or would one be useful as further support for your project? It has demographics of all the bike shops schools medical services nearby as well as some demographic facts some color photos and an Appendix of other park projects and some correspondence I got from the Burnaby Mayor's office on their Bike Park Project-- just let me know--- I am downtown this morning meeting with Councilman and some representatives in two hours-- are you downtown today? (Wednesday)

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    Thanks for the hard work. I get a little discouraged when I look at the SDMBA sponsors site and I don't see a lot of our local bike shops on the list. I am not going to mention any specifically but it seems to me that they really need to get on board. If a small shop like NOTB can afford to be a sponsor I am sure these other big shops can too. They have just as much to lose.
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    Tib, I would like to review the proposal, bring a copy to tonights meeting.
    Sandmangts, I understand how you feel. I also believe in loyalty. Therefore, those that have provided support will be rewarded. Those that operate national chains will be contacted at corporate headquarters and given a chance.

    Manufacturers such as Bell, Specialized, Kona actually have grant programs specifically for Bike Parks. Bikes Belong is another source of grants. I want our sponsors to reap the benefits of a world-class bike park. I want Big Corporations that are making big money off of mountain bikers to foot the bill. Independent bike shops like NOTB, CalCoast & ITSA do so much and make much less than giant internet companies.

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    Tib, I would like to review the proposal, bring a copy to tonights meeting.
    Sandmangts, I understand how you feel. I also believe in loyalty. Therefore, those that have provided support will be rewarded. Those that operate national chains will be contacted at corporate headquarters and given a chance.

    Manufacturers such as Bell, Specialized, Kona actually have grant programs specifically for Bike Parks. Bikes Belong is another source of grants. I want our sponsors to reap the benefits of a world-class bike park. I want Big Corporations that are making big money off of mountain bikers to foot the bill. Independent bike shops like NOTB, CalCoast & ITSA do so much and make much less than giant internet companies.

    Getting in the zone. Game face on. I feel good.
    Glad to hear that you are going to call the Big Boys in to foot the bill for this, as they have been profiting from high-end mtb and component sales for some time now.
    Time for them to give back to the community that supports them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Old Ray View Post
    Glad to hear that you are going to call the Big Boys in to foot the bill for this, as they have been profiting from high-end mtb and component sales for some time now.
    Time for them to give back to the community that supports them.
    I agree, I realize that off road riding is just a part of the cycling market but it is a big part. San Diego is a huge bike market that is only getting bigger. With year round riding weather and a growing market it would be in their best interests to make some investments here.
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    Damn, that was easy.
    The suspension of your bike sucks if it's different than mine. Really. It sucks. Big time.

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    Damn, that was easy.
    Sounds good, BP. I'm looking forward to the meeting tonight. It's been a long and harrowing day for me, but I'm not gonna let anything short of an act of god stop me from attending.

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    It was a good day for SD County mountain bikers yesterday. I have not had coffee yet, will post details later.

    I've been waiting 3 years to meet Old Ray. Man, if you were in the house last night.
    The suspension of your bike sucks if it's different than mine. Really. It sucks. Big time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boulder Pilot View Post
    It was a good day for SD County mountain bikers yesterday. I have not had coffee yet, will post details later.

    I've been waiting 3 years to meet Old Ray. Man, if you were in the house last night.
    I was there, BP. I was simply overwhelmed by the surplus of activist energy in the room, so I just sat back and soaked it in. Or maybe I was just tuckered out....

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    Supervisor Jacob is VERY interested in our East County Bike Park proposal. I proposed to take over an existing county park. She asked how much of the park are we talking. How much? All of it, hahaha. 40 acres.

    I swear, discussing this topic with the County compared to the City is like night/day, apples/watermelons. Where the City P&RD immediately threw down liability, Supervisor Jacob said "do not worry about this. We can make this happen." When I asked about potential union labor issues involving maintenance (the City told me this would be a HUGE issue), she laughed.When I brought up the numerous roadblocks City P&RD threw at me, Supervisor Jacob said, "Sounds like the City doesn't want to work with you. I do."

    She said she would set up a meeting with Director DP&R. I asked for a meeting with the Director DP&R, County Attorney, Risk Management Supervisor, Public Works Manager, and whomever drafts County partnership agreements. One meeting, all the players, throw all concerns on the table and see if we can move forward. I just checked my email. County is offering me 3 dates for the above meeting. That is service.

    Ray, I'm bummed I did not get to meet you in person. Lets go for a ride soon and chat. Thanks for comming to the meeting. Stay tuned.
    The suspension of your bike sucks if it's different than mine. Really. It sucks. Big time.

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    Nice job Jay! I may have missed it, but where is the park located? Any trails nearby?

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    This is awesome. Must be what it is like to work in normal cities that actually encourage bike use, both on and off road. Maybe we should flood Jacob's office with letters of praise and encouragement?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boulder Pilot View Post
    Supervisor Jacob is VERY interested in our East County Bike Park proposal. I proposed to take over an existing county park. She asked how much of the park are we talking. How much? All of it, hahaha. 40 acres.

    I swear, discussing this topic with the County compared to the City is like night/day, apples/watermelons. Where the City P&RD immediately threw down liability, Supervisor Jacob said "do not worry about this. We can make this happen." When I asked about potential union labor issues involving maintenance (the City told me this would be a HUGE issue), she laughed.When I brought up the numerous roadblocks City P&RD threw at me, Supervisor Jacob said, "Sounds like the City doesn't want to work with you. I do."

    She said she would set up a meeting with Director DP&R. I asked for a meeting with the Director DP&R, County Attorney, Risk Management Supervisor, Public Works Manager, and whomever drafts County partnership agreements. One meeting, all the players, throw all concerns on the table and see if we can move forward. I just checked my email. County is offering me 3 dates for the above meeting. That is service.

    Ray, I'm bummed I did not get to meet you in person. Lets go for a ride soon and chat. Thanks for comming to the meeting. Stay tuned.
    Boulder Pilot, huge respect to you for taking these steps. I'm up here in the inland empire, and theoretically we could be hit with the same challenges. Your region is very fortunate to have you chasing this on their behalf.

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    Evdog, I don't want to get to far ahead of myself, but my first suggested site is Flinn Springs County Park. The past 3 County budget crisis' all included Flinn on the "chopping block." Flinn used to be a revenue generator, my research shows it has fallen. Crestridge is on the other side of the hill from Flinn. Ya see where I'm going with this?
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    Steve, my recent motivation came from the loss of a decades old jumpsite. I met families from east East County, Potrero, Boulevard, Campo, etc. that would drop their kids off at the jumpsite, go into town to shop, come back and have a little picnic, and then cruise home. How cool is that. I met riders younger than some of the jumps. These riders took care of this site, had their own trash collection service. Many of these riders are young. No organization for them to turn to. SDMBA is going to help change this situation. Steve, if you have questions or need advice, do not hesitate to contact me.
    The suspension of your bike sucks if it's different than mine. Really. It sucks. Big time.

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