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    ... and if we just ... Found the Tunnel Trail!!

    I was riding tonight out at Los Penasquitos with some people that I met up with on the trail and we all just happened to be looking for the same thing. The elusive "Tunnel Trail". We did finaly end up finding it and it was great! Nothing like riding a downhill windy trail at night that has you riding in a tunnel of greenery. Spectacular!! This is my new route when I ride PQ. It is a tad hard to find but it is well worth the effort. The loop is a mild and tight downhill with a mile long foliage tunnel all around you and the ride up and out is gradual and not terribly steep. (Doable in middle chainring for many of you out there.) Anyhow, I an not sure if it is supposed to be more secret or if it is completely known and I am a jackazz for not knowing about it. Either way, this made a more humdrum Thursday night ride something very special.
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    Where is it?

    If it's a legal trail, please post directions, if not PM me...

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    Yes, you are a jackazz, but it has nothing to do with your posting here.

    Seriously, Jon, where have you been hiding?



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    Quote Originally Posted by miles
    Yes, you are a jackazz,

    Now there is something we can all agree on
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    you should post your regular route, including the tunnel (if it is legal). i've been riding PQ for a while now and have been doing the same loop and wouldnt mind something new the next time i go out

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    Quote Originally Posted by xDennisLuix
    you should post your regular route, including the tunnel (if it is legal). i've been riding PQ for a while now and have been doing the same loop and wouldnt mind something new the next time i go out
    For now the land and trails are privately owned, the land is in the process of being transferred to the City of San Diego, this process will probably take about three months to be finalized, once the land becomes the property of the City, The San Diego Parks and Rec will manage the land.
    Until the land is transferred to the City, let’s try to keep the location off the message boards.

    BTW, the trails will be designated Hiking and Biking only.
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    You're killin' me, Smalls!!

    miles, Unfortunately due to a new JOB I have been off the bike for the better part of 6 months. I am just starting to get my cycling legs back under me. (Unfortunately, those cycling legs have to carry around all of this "table muscle" that I have acquired over those said 6 months!) I am looking to "participate" in the next 24 hr event in Idylwild. (Do they have 20 person teams?) Anyhow, I just found that Tunnel Trail last night and it was a great addition to my regular route. (I can't tell everyone where it is. Just ride around enough and you can find it if you look hard enough and are very LUCKY!!) . For the rest of you, it is a fantastic ride down with great soil underneath. You ride in a tunnel of trees that bends and swoops downhill for about 1 mile. There are several junctions along the way, though I only rode the one loop. The way up is also covered and not terribly technical. This whole section is like a Ewoks of Endor meets the Hobbit kinda ride. Very fun though I do think it should be ridden only one direction. If there it traffic in certain parts it will be tough to pass each other. anyhow, I am thining of riding it again at 8am tomorrow starting from "The Cantina". PM me if you are interested.
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    there is only one Tunnel T rail.........
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    I found the Tunnel trails and rode them today, nothing like the real Tunnel trail in Santa Barbara. Thanks to jackazz for posting it's existence , because I would never known about it, although it was not easy to find other than receiving directions from putting a 411 out to other San Diego riders. If I were a jackazz I would post some photos as well.

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    Ok. I have ridden Tunnel in SB, and ride PQ sh!t loads and think I ran out of new terrain. Somebody PM me directions on where it is! Dammit! 7 years ago, I was unemployed (by choice, of course) and golfed, surfed and rode everyday for 7 months and thought I had exploered all of PQ. Let me know. Its the closest trail to my house.

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    Not A Smart Move

    Well here we go again. The Internet juggernaut consumes another trail. There are so many people just word of mouth would have been sufficient. This is San Diego land of gnatcatchers and sensitive habitat after they have let the developers scrape it clean and back fill the canyons then fill their re-election coffers.But wait they forgot they brought people to live here and left them no where to recreate. Please no more mention of sweet morsels like this and the name is not Tunnel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by taffy15
    Well here we go again. The Internet juggernaut consumes another trail. There are so many people just word of mouth would have been sufficient. This is San Diego land of gnatcatchers and sensitive habitat after they have let the developers scrape it clean and back fill the canyons then fill their re-election coffers.But wait they forgot they brought people to live here and left them no where to recreate. Please no more mention of sweet morsels like this and the name is not Tunnel.
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    Smile is no big deal one mistake you pay on many trails, just go ride and remember that trail is called Funnels, just a typo!

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    Smile

    The reality of the situation is that, although migrant workers and equestrians have been cutting trails up there for years, the hateful among them will certainly use anecdotes about "new trails being cut" by "mountainbikers" as a reason to screw us all. Don't post maps, just don't.

    The reality of undeveloped land in the general vicinity of PQ falls into three categories:

    1) Developable land that will be bulldozed and scraped. All the Del Mar Mesa singletracks fall into this category, for example. They will be gone, as will nearly every plant and living thing you see other than those in area where you wouldn't ride a horse or bike, anyway. Ride 'em while ya gottem and don't worry about it. Do the pavement and homes built over the top of the great western DMM singletracks seem to have suffered any by pre-bulldozer trail usage?

    2) Open Space that will not be developed and will become City Land. Anything other than a long-established trail or fire road will likely be slated for closure upon discovery. Ride'em while ya gottem, but don't expect anything that can't be seen in a satellite photo to get official status.

    3) Open Space that will not be developed and is controlled by the Land Trust. This land won't come into Ranger jurisidiction, but can be fenced off and patrolled by SDPD if anyone ever starts to care about that land again. Trails that go into actual, or alleged, vernal pools will create a crisis for some, even if those trails are truck trails and the vernal pools were created by a Jeep in '92. Hey, I dug out and drove home, so nip it.

    Regardless, keep the photos of our 22' teeter totter the heck off the 'net.

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    The Official San Diego County Mountain Biker's Credo ---
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    -Hey Fellow MTBrs! I heard someone on this MTBR forum found the exit to the "Secret Bush Ride". Please keep the location quiet until the Private Land Owner transfers the Property to the City of San Diego. Hopefully this transfer will take place this year and then safe trails can be established for everyone. Because once some Newbie Yahoo gets hurt and sues the property owner "Game Over".
    -The current problem that concerns the property owner is that someone is over cutting "Hacking-Up" the oaks and the natural canopy is starting to THIN out. If you ride the Bush, please do not break off, cut or saw off anymore tree limbs or branches. The future is in your hands.

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    Cutting Branches

    You are absolutely correct no one should be cutting the limbs of those dwarf oaks. First all they are supposed to be a unique variety found in only a few spots. Second they provide a very twisty turny singletrack ride. At times you are are like Gumby getting through and you have to pay attention. Guess what you can't go all out all the time because the trail is so intimate with the trees. So we all need to keep an eye out for some knot head who might be trying to change the trail to suit his needs. The place has been a relief in pitiful backward nonprogressive San Diego. So lets not screw it up. By the way I met the owner and he was glad we were there really enjoying the land so we are getting a huge head start on things. Cutting more from the trees is needless.

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    "Taffy15" I totally agree with ya! Like you said, some "Knot Head" is trying change the trails to fit his/her needs! I have noticed most of all the tight turns, narrow sections, threading between the trees and ducking all the low hanging branches have been eliminated or trimmed way back. The small oak trees growing on the trails have been hacked off and thrown in a pile on the side of the trails thinning out the canopy. All the native green, orange and yellow moss that grows on the oaks in the shade are starting to dry up, so the eco system is also taking a hit. I have lived here in PQ since 1976 and this is the last of the unique and natural places to ride in PQ. Ya, I hear the Land owner and his son are also mountain bikers! Also be careful and watch out for two of the bridges on Bush Trail #2, they are starting to fall apart. Scary liability! Peace Out Brothers!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5150MTB
    ...... Also be careful and watch out for two of the bridges on Bush Trail #2, they are starting to fall apart. Scary liability! Peace Out Brothers!
    Those bridges and ladders are a joke. The skill is not riding on them but trying not to break them or tip them over.

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    Gettihg A Handle

    We need to get a handle on this asap. I am going to try and get the right people involved with this starting with the next SDMBA meeting. I think one of the SDMBA officers is already going to get it started. He rode there a while back and just rode there lately and noticed the cutting going on. I ran into the kids who put in the stunts. They carried stuff in on their bikes that is why it is all so flimsy and already falling apart. They said they had just started to ride Flightline and were trying to emulate what they liked. Difference was Flightline was like a bricksh t house and they were using popsicle sticks. I think they need to have their little hearts broken and that stuff taken down before the officials do it for us. It will be bad enough some one is cutting trees so they can go faster or don't hit their little heads. It is mtn biking you moron!!!!! Once again the need to create trails appealing to the various biking disiplines is apparent. Look at the most recent trails they made in Moab, recent issue, and go on the web and see what they are doing in Canada. Look at what a destination Fruita has become. With proper management people can use these resources maintain the environment and generate money for the region. Here we are met with monumental obstacles and a can't do mentality. The population here has grown at a huge pace with the encouragement of our governments, city, county and state. We need to pressure them to build more trails as well as sewers schools roads and malls. Anyone go to the city council meeting for Flightline? Anyone contact a land manager to do trail work or get on a trail work party. They have those in Vancouver and 300 people showed up.The next trail work party for La Costa Preserve is the 19th of May. Contact CNLM. Or look on the SDMBA site for a trail work party. We desparately need a place like TW. What is it going to take to wake up the local officials. Taking things underground is just to temporary. Just as skateboarding did we have to do. It is time to come out of the closet in SAN Diego. Mountain Biking is Not a Crime

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    Tunnels

    It is a sweeet sweet trail. We go there every tuesday pretty much. Though it was a big secret when we got there a couple of weeks ago there was plenty traffic.

    My friend did a whole gps map of all the routes in that area. I'm hesitant to post haha. But I agree about that A bridge.

    Totally do able though when we went down it was already gone on tuesday but you can totally roll it. Caught some of our group riders by surprise. The last bridge also looks sketchy but its actually pretty solid.

    I'd advise the non bridge route. it feels a lot longer and flows better.

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    Tunnel trails in jeopardy of being closed

    FYI, the word just came down from PQ and the Black Mountain CAC, Deer Canyon/Tunnel trails could possibly be closed because of the damage caused by cyclist and the thinning of the canopy, as mentioned by taffy15 the dwarf oak is a vary rare species of tree and requires just the right conditions to survive, the canopy also provides cover for a variety of other rare plants. We need to start self regulating our use of the canyon now, SDMBA will start posting flyers at the trailheads asking cyclist to respect the land and to stop cutting the canopy, stop cutting new trails, avoid skidding downhill and around corners.
    Please spread the word that we are in jeopardy of loosing one of the best trails in San Diego.

    Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TCB
    FYI, the word just came down from PQ and the Black Mountain CAC, Deer Canyon/Tunnel trails could possibly be closed because of the damage caused by cyclist and the thinning of the canopy,
    So, the "secret" tunnel trail, and the Deer Canyon trail are one and the same?

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    It doesn't help that there are the Bonita folks bringing like 30 heads into that trail. Ridiculous. This should not be a big organized group ride type trail.

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    will post better vid soon


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    Quote Originally Posted by SHIVER ME TIMBERS
    there is only one Tunnel T rail.........
    yep. this tunnel trail would be orders of magnitude less intense than the real tunnel. if you thought BLT is a yawner, try PQ, super snooooooooozer. skip!

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    92SE-R, I understand your concern regarding this trail. However, i am one of those Bonita folks that came up to ride on 4/29/07. Just to set the record straight there was only 6 of us (not 30) and it seemed that the trail was congested with riders but the major population was not our 6 riders. It was a ride that we also heard about on the internet and rode and will not be back to ride until the trail is approved to ride legally. I hope you do not have any bad feelings toward the MTBikers in the south bay, due to us coming up to experience this trail on a day that seemed like everyone came out to ride.

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    Bonita Folks ???

    92SE-R ???? What are you talking about? 30 Bonita riders? Were your glasses fogged up or what? Like Amor587 said, there were only 6 of us came up that way on 4/29. It was not 30 of us. Besides, there should not be anyones concern if us or others ride in your area. We have no objections if others come and ride in our area.

    They are open lands, some protected, some not, and they are available for trail users of any type. What they don't want is trail distructions or cutting new ones.

    I know you are frustrated with the possibility of closer of this trail, but what I don't like is you blame it on Bonita Folks. You should direct your anger towards the ones cutting those uniqe Oak trees or whatever they are.

    By the way, how did you find out there were 30 of us? As far as I know, we didn't have " BONITA FOLKS " written all over our jerseys that day, right Amor587?

    I also like to mention that we were invited by another MTB group to explor the area and we really enjoyed the ride that day. It is bad that they are planning to close it. I bet we are all really about it.



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    It doesn't help that there are the Bonita folks bringing like 30 heads into that trail. Ridiculous. This should not be a big organized group ride type trail.
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    I apologize if I mistook all you guys for the Bonita guys that day. There was a HUGE group that day and I heard from others that it was an internet organized Bonita event. My beef is with VERY LARGE internet organized groups, not with where you are from.

    It was bad that day and completely congested in there. You could sit at any point in the trail and hear voices and yelling all around you. That trail is just not meant for that type of traffic and that big of a group. That is also a great way to get that type of trail closed.

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    92SER-R, no worries.... I know that it is frustrating when faced with closure of trails (especially when there is one so close and as fun as the Tunnel Trail). We hope that this trail is not lost and will be an appropriate trail for future riding. We did notice that the plant life coverage that is being cut and it's sad that this is being done. Anyways, thank you for voicing your concern.

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    c'mon man

    sheesh, you clowns act like you have found the holy grail!!!
    i have ridden the tunnels many times. its fun and cool, but by no means am I gonna slobber all over everyone about it.
    if its on private land, it can't be closed, unless the owner wants to stop it.
    so, i guess either I am confused about the govt stepping in and closing it or... this forum is confused.
    maybe its not on private land? although I thought it was.
    all I know is that I rode there a week ago sunday...there was a large group. one guy had a broken chain. instead of fixing it....all he could do is ask everyone that rode by for a quick-link. BFD. dude, fix your chain. if it has broken previously, just dont use your large chain ring. but shut the heck up...quick link...quickl link...i could have fixed it in the time you kept whining about a quick link.

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    Remember it is wine country, LOL

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    I stumbled on this trail last night as well.... I was riding alone and the sun was almost down. I got a little sketched out because I didn't know where I was. lol I rode most of it though. Loved it! Definitely a great addition to PQ and DMM.

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    Keep it on the down low...

    Keep the ride to yourselves...and those who know and want to ride with others who know PM eachother to ride...

    There are miles of other good trails in PQ for the non-locals...

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    Quote Originally Posted by whattheheck
    one guy had a broken chain. instead of fixing it....all he could do is ask everyone that rode by for a quick-link. BFD. dude, fix your chain. if it has broken previously, just dont use your large chain ring. but shut the heck up...quick link...quickl link...i could have fixed it in the time you kept whining about a quick link.
    And in typical San Diego style, you didn't have the balls to say anything to his face, but you have plenty of courage to talk smack on the internet. Why didn't you stop and show the guy the how to fix his chain?

    Having moved here from Boston two years ago, I've found that this sort of attitude runs rampant here in San Diego and probaly has a lot to do with the lack of any organized bike parks down: people just don't have the motivation or cajones to do anything about the situation.

    Don't shake the boat, brah.

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    Too much Puss N Boots in SD these days
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    Quote Originally Posted by brendancahill
    And in typical San Diego style, you didn't have the balls to say anything to his face, but you have plenty of courage to talk smack on the internet. Why didn't you stop and show the guy the how to fix his chain?

    Having moved here from Boston two years ago, I've found that this sort of attitude runs rampant here in San Diego and probaly has a lot to do with the lack of any organized bike parks down: people just don't have the motivation or cajones to do anything about the situation.

    Don't shake the boat, brah.
    Amen!! Although I think it's a SoCal thing, not just a SD thing.
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    Listen, the guy had a chain tool, he also had 15 people standing around him.
    If it is a So. Cal attitude....then the attitude was coming from the guy with the broken chain.
    instead of shutting the F-up and fixing his chain, he wanted everyone one to know that his chain had broken and that he was also f-n lazy cause all he wanted to do was have someone give him a Sram quick-link (or whatever it is called). He wanted everyone to know that he was important and the everyone should be aware that he is important and everyone should wait...NOW THAT IS THE SO CAL ATTITUDE
    He knew how to fix the chain!
    If he was riding in my group and kept wasting riding time....I would have pushed him aside and fixed it so I wouldnt have to listen to him. But, since he had a bunch of kronies with him...we asked if he needed help, he said no, so we rode on by.
    BTW,.... go back to Boston

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    Come on guys, we are all mountain bikers, sharing the same interest. No name calling is going to solve the problem, and having an attitude is not acceptable. The only attitude is to go out and have fun riding our rigs, and yes, helping each other on the trails.

    So keep it cool and enjoy the trails before they get closed. And, PLEASE don't forget to help each other as we are all a big family of mountain bikers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by whattheheck
    BTW,.... go back to Boston
    changed my mind, not worth the effort. I fancy face to face name calling, anyways.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mxnmtber
    Keep the ride to yourselves...and those who know and want to ride with others who know PM eachother to ride...

    There are miles of other good trails in PQ for the non-locals...
    it's not like it's either A) a secret and B) hard to find.

    Sheesh. I've been riding PQ for years and I've gone many, many rides in a row without seeing another cyclist on any of the DMM trails. I've ridden the Tunnel Trails three times and have seen no fewer than 6 other riders on the trails each time out there.

    ride 'em while we have 'em. if they're going to be closed, it's not because non locals are riding them. besides, what are we surfing? dude, that's our break. stay off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yeti_Rider
    besides, what are we surfing? dude, that's our break. stay off.

    YR
    Another well said comment. A whole lot of that seems to go around as well. I'm all for keeping info off the internet, but I love how people--and I'm not referring to anyone in particular here--get possessive of a trail they didn't even build. AND--if they built it on public land, it's even more lame.
    I hope you have a big trunk... 'cuz I'm puttin' my bike in it.

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    is there any other places on the internet where this trail is discussed?

    me and my buddies built the bridges on this trail and was wondering who took them all down. I wondered if it is worth it to put them back up too.

    PM me if you want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fins
    is there any other places on the internet where this trail is discussed?

    me and my buddies built the bridges on this trail and was wondering who took them all down. I wondered if it is worth it to put them back up too.

    PM me if you want.
    I heard the land owner took the bridges down. If that is the case, I would would not. JMO

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    Yeah word is about the bridges, so I guess the land owner doesn't mind cyclist but since it is private property and people are eating it on the bridges they don't want to get in trouble. Hence they removed the bridges.

    But yes i liked the bridges , I've never done them other than the tunnel trails.

    As for moto.. how wide we talking, 250f wide? because (not that I have done it at the tunnel trails .. promise) but man it would be badd ass to bring in a crf50 or 70 in there. my 50 is hopped up and runs a pretty wide tire so I'm guessing they had a 50-70 there. I actually saw an abandoned z50 at the junk pile near the trail head. you can totally moto there with a 50 on that trail and haul ass.

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    I don't think I have ever been through the "Tunnels". I have biked PQ extensively but donít think I have come across this area. I usually ride from west to east on the mesa and drop down Cobbles or come up Power Line and drop down to the west (shits?). Any advice or hints to help me?

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    Good luck. I have put 1000's of miles in at PQ and I KNOW i have not ridden down Tunnel. At this point, I must have ridden everything except Tunnel. Last time I asked where it was, I more or less got slapped down. Its a secret.

    I will make a point of riding every square inch of PQ once it cools off to find the Tunnel.



    Quote Originally Posted by sdfisher
    I don't think I have ever been through the "Tunnels". I have biked PQ extensively but donít think I have come across this area. I usually ride from west to east on the mesa and drop down Cobbles or come up Power Line and drop down to the west (shits?). Any advice or hints to help me?

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    Yep. You will both have to do some exploring it looks like. It's definitely a "secret".

    just look for the million bike tracks

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    Go on buddy, build on, as it is us, mountain bikers against these a$$holes, who aren't doing anything to improve the situation, but instead, hire people to remove the little bridges and things that we make with our own money for our own pleasure that doesn't harm anyone or any environment.

    So keep it up, build it fast and build it bigger than ever. If they remove, we build again. If they remove, we cut new trails which they don't like. They put up a fence, we take our bolt cutters.

    We shall win, this is the bottom line, and we will. If they want us to stop, then they need to build a mountain bike park somewhere in this freaking town. We have skate board parks, right? Now, we need our mountain bike park. Period.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fins
    is there any other places on the internet where this trail is discussed?

    me and my buddies built the bridges on this trail and was wondering who took them all down. I wondered if it is worth it to put them back up too.

    PM me if you want.
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    Yeah, and there are too many people using the trials so we need to kill them too!

    And I don't like the dust so we should dig it all out. Maybe have it paved.

    After all we have the right to the land regardless of who owns it. How dare they actually think that they might be liable for any damages. We are better than they think and never get hurt.

    You know, my nieghbors house is in my path to the trails. I think I will build a trail through it. After all, it is my right to do what I need to feel good about myself because this damn city won't build me a bike park!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bankerboy
    Yeah, and there are too many people using the trials so we need to kill them too!

    And I don't like the dust so we should dig it all out. Maybe have it paved.

    After all we have the right to the land regardless of who owns it. How dare they actually think that they might be liable for any damages. We are better than they think and never get hurt.

    You know, my neighbors house is in my path to the trails. I think I will build a trail through it. After all, it is my right to do what I need to feel good about myself because this damn city won't build me a bike park!

    Duh!!!!!
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    Is the "Tunnel Trail" the section with all the milk crates strewn about? I just found this area and it is pretty fun but not sure what it's called.

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    They're gonna have to be renamed to The Damn Freeway or Grand Central Station... I haven't seen concentrated traffic in PQ like that area is getting for years!

    Here's hoping we don't screw that pooch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EBasil
    They're gonna have to be renamed to The Damn Freeway or Grand Central Station... I haven't seen concentrated traffic in PQ like that area is getting for years!

    Here's hoping we don't screw that pooch.
    I was thinking the same thing. I have ridden that section a few times a while back but to much traffic heading that way for me now. I have noticed the groups of 8+ has shrunk to <4 which is progress.

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    to you and all the mountain bikers that think like you.

    Quote Originally Posted by bankerboy
    Yeah, and there are too many people using the trials so we need to kill them too!

    And I don't like the dust so we should dig it all out. Maybe have it paved.

    After all we have the right to the land regardless of who owns it. How dare they actually think that they might be liable for any damages. We are better than they think and never get hurt.

    You know, my nieghbors house is in my path to the trails. I think I will build a trail through it. After all, it is my right to do what I need to feel good about myself because this damn city won't build me a bike park!

    Duh!!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fins
    Yep. You will both have to do some exploring it looks like. It's definitely a "secret".

    just look for the million bike tracks
    Yeah, just follow the bike tracks at the top of the Powerline climb.

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    Powerline to tunnel is a kick ass loop. Has anyone ridden the tunnel at night time? Now that would be fun.

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    Yeah that would be a sweet trail at night. i've never done it but i've found a couple big deer antlers down there. that would be cool to see.

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    1st time today....

    OUCH, that was a low tree.......... Gads that is too fun!

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    Quote Originally Posted by CEB
    1st time today....

    OUCH, that was a low tree.......... Gads that is too fun!
    Yep, I've also rung my bell out there due to low hanging trees. Doesnt help riding an XL bike with 5" travel and the seatpost all the way up.

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    I also found the tunnel but need help

    I road this trail for the first time today! I cant believe i have been riding there all these years and never found it, even by accident. That is hands down one of the most fun trails to ride in SD. fun, fun, fun, fun!

    I need help though. Could someone PM me on the best way to make that a loop? I will be happy to confirm points on the trail so you dont think i'm BS'ing on finding it. I definately went the wrong way at the stream, wound up going all over the freaking place to get back! I want to make that the beginning of a big loop that eventually gets me to the waterfall area or Cobbles. Suggestions? Thanks. SIK SD.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wahoofish
    Yep, I've also rung my bell out there due to low hanging trees. Doesnt help riding an XL bike with 5" travel and the seatpost all the way up.
    I'm in the same boat as you, and even with my seatpost down a bit I was scraping under some of the lower hanging branches.

    Seems like it's in pretty decent shape for this point in summer, but it's a bit dusty in spots - I'd imagine it'll firm up nicely as soon as we get a decent rain or two in the winter. Is mud ever an issue here shortly after a storm? The soil looks like it's got enough sand and topsoil to not cake up into clay when it gets wet, but ruts could be nasty since it's such a narrow track.

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    PQ is NOTORIUS for sticky clay/mud. The valley is closed during and after storms until things dry out. I imagine the terrafirma "just over the ridge" would be much the same material, that with sufficient rain could make the lovely "tunnels" into muck filled troughs. Things change here quickly when it rains!

    I would encourage a "dry out period" after significant rainfall. That would go for many SOCAL trails. Not many are pure DG that drains real well, esp after this long dry period which turns our trail into duffy trails. BUT, this message will not be read be those that will go and muck the place up. OH well!%$&@#!!

    Oh yeah, while I'm at it...... STOP SKIDDING!

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    PQ is funny after the rains, though - I got stuck in a rain storm that rolled in out of the blue this spring and the only bad spot from the top of the powerlines, down the cobbles and out on the doubletrack on the north side was the 300 yards from the culvert to the parking lot by the ball fields. The rest was sandy and not bad at all.

    I always call the rangers after a good rain to make sure the trails are open before going out there. Unfortunately in a dry year that was like once or twice this spring.

    My question is more specifically to this trail in particular, and whether it's good to go when the rest of the area is or not.

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    So what is the trail called anyway? When I first heard of it, it was called the secret bush trail. It's not very secret though. It's pretty obvious. One time I was heading up the powerlines behind this guy and he made sure I passed him before he headed throught the entrance. Like I couldn't see all of the tire tracks heading that way.

    Is there anything we can do to facilitate the transfer to SD?

    Is there a way to get all the way down? It seems like there should be another mile down. I'd like to connect it so I don't have to drive from CV.

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    Well, some obvious names for the various tunnel trails are Rocking Horse, Soccer Shoes, and... I forget what the object at the start of the third trail was.
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    Quote Originally Posted by miles
    Well, some obvious names for the various tunnel trails are Rocking Horse, Soccer Shoes, and... I forget what the object at the start of the third trail was.
    ...White Feather?....and about rain...I haven't seen it in winter, but I can't imagine it being good to ride, and good for the trail --- some of the most fun parts basically follow a seasonally dry watercourse, down to a low area that even in August has standing water.

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    Quote Originally Posted by miles
    Well, some obvious names for the various tunnel trails are Rocking Horse, Soccer Shoes, and... I forget what the object at the start of the third trail was.
    Cans?

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    I found the Tunnel Trail!

    I am very happy to say that I am finally now able to say that I am among those who has found the elusive Tunnel Trail!

    I have been searching for this trail forever and found it with a little help from someone on this thread. I was so excited the night before I rode it I could barely go to sleep. When I arrived at the start of the ride I was nervous - would the directions yield the real location of the trail? Did this trail really even exist? The tension increased until I finally hit the start of the trail.... When I found the start it was obvious that the trail really does exist. Once I started the down the trail the sky disappeared. I rode down further and further in to the maze of trails with NO idea of where I was. I got lost no fewer than three times. This is easy to do as you have very little sense of directions and essentially no frame of geographic points of reference. I was riding by myself which added to the intensity of the first time ride.

    Eventually I made it back to my original starting point - what a ride!

    I think the most amazing thing of all is - at some points on the trail you are no more than a half mile from houses, yet it seems you are in another country.

    Awesome ride. Long live the Tunnel Trail and the mystery of it's location!

    PS: No - I will not provide anyone with any hint of the location of the trail.........
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    Was it just me or does it look like there was some more cutting done in the last week? A couple of times I ducked out of habit only to realize I didn't need to. And it looked like there were some scraps piled on the sides of the trail.

    I noticed it most where the two east drop ins meet up.

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    I rode it yesterday and didn't notice any, but I wasn't really looking for any either.

    The northernmost long climb out is getting destroyed by people who don't know how to watch their line and not skid their tires--that's pretty aggravating. I mean, I'm seriously not bragging--but I rode my SS yesterday and had no need to lock up the brakes. Come on people, let's use a little more self control.
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    This thread was the beginning of the end for the Tunnels. Now everyone and their mother knows where they are and as of today 12-12 they are closed. Thanks to all!! Taffys prophecy on the first page of this thread came true in record time. Let this be a lesson to all that post here. If you find a nice trail that is off everyones radar do us all a favor and KEEP IT TO YOURSELF!!!

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    I lay the blame squarely at the feet of Pardee and the groups bent on promoting development over public access. Word of mouth and the basic ability to follow a set of tire tracks did the rest.

    When the intestines got bulldozed, us PQ regulars had few options other than the tunnels for decent riding around the preserve. Same goes for the hikers, trail runners and equestrians.

    The same amount of users on fewer miles of trails == more interaction/conflict/sense of overcrowding.

    Keeping a low profile might have prevented some people from finding the trail, but the loss of other riding opportunities on top of the mesa really exacerbated the situation.

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    IMBA's cry of, "Keep it legal, keep it forever" has never been truer. The fact remains that any trail on private land is threatened by closure if the land gets developed or at the owner's discretion. We know that even public lands have risk of trail closures if there is not a plan in place or proper stewardship of that land.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jonsocal
    Ray Dolor is a joke. If you or anyone thinks that this listing started the end of the Tunnel Trails, you are sadly mistaken. There are several of us who not only ride out there, but are trying to be a reasonable part of the solution. You can keep pointing fingers if it makes you feel like you know something at all. You points are laughable. You act as if you are knowledgable. That is why this whole MTBR posting is silly. Get your jollies and pretend that you know how things started with those trails or any trails. It wasn't the fact that people started riding the trails, it is the fact that they were not maintained properly and that people did not respect the land. I'm out there riding either with a group or by myself all of the time. I have seen the destruction that has happened. None of the issues we are having out there are because people are riding, it is because there are a few (whether they ride bikes or not is the issue here too) who are out there damaging the scrub habitat with saws and cutters. It has nothing to do with the fact that people ride the trails. Those trails were there to be ridden and enjoyed. Unfortunately people have screwed it up. If Sandmangts or Ray the jackazz Dolor want to say "I told you so" or point fingers, that shows us all how truly involved they are. Pointing fingers doesn't solve anything, it just makes you look ridiculous. Feel free to point fingers at other bikers who try to make a difference. Personally I would rather it was done face to face, though we all know that wouldn't happen. So if you feel empowered by the fact that you have the "internet courage" to point and be smug and show your wonderful hindsight please, by all means, keep posting. Many of the people who have posted on this thread, I know. Those that I do know are long time riders of this area much like myself and try to better the biking community. What have you done? Oh wait, you've posted here and blamed everyone else and have done nothing...... Well done..... If you really have a problem with this, present a solution or close your pie hole.
    I was not trying to point fingers. I was making a point. After this thread was posted the traffic up there increased 10 fold, thats a fact. Much of that increased traffic is due to word of mouth and alot of it is due to the internet. I think we have all learned our lesson here. One person tells another who tells 3 more and so on. I am not assigning blame, i am just trying to avoid this happening again. I just want to be part of the solution. Thats why I am a member of SDMBA and IMBA and I regularly participate in trail work.

    I apologize for reviving this thread, I just happened to do a google search on tunnel trails trying to find an article and it came up. Jonsocal, I have read many of your posts and I know you are a good guy. I am guilty of giving the location to others as well but I will never make that mistake again.
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    no worries....

    I am as upset about losing my favorite and most local trail systems too.

    I'm going to try like many of the rest of us here to get things straightened out. We are all busy at this time of year and it will be tough to find more time to be involved, but this is a HUGE part of our everyday lives and mountainbiking. I am terribly bummed and hope to see this place flourish again so that we can ALL enjoy it once again.

    Thanks sandmangts.... much appreciated...
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    I think there's merit to the concern over posting riding areas, but I think several other factors had more influence upon the increase in ridership in Deer Canyon. I'll lay a few of those out, but there's something else that's very important and often overlooked:

    --The Multiuse Trails Coalition has been discussing the Deer Canyon Trails with the Rangers for THREE YEARS. It was 3 years ago that Craig Bosworth (the MTC's CAC rep at the time) went over the draft RMP and noted it still only showed the SDGE fire roads that the 2002 draft did. At that time, I discussed this shortcoming with Randy Rodriguez, Rick Thompson and another CAC member. Craig did, too. The essence of the shortcoming was that "there are longstanding trails throughout this area that should be considered in the plan". I've also discussed these trails with Gina Washington over the last two years, as have many others.

    --The Rangers and MSCP staff, through Ranger Thompson and Randy Rodriguez respectively, knew about the trails and visited them
    , albeit somewhat incompletely. In 2007, when the land transfer became more imminent, Thompson interacted with MTC and SDMBA over the installation of jumps and ladders... and their subsequent removal(s). They knew about the trails.

    --The exclusion of the Deer Canyon (and Shits) trails from the RMP was most likely a simple oversight on the part of the RECON company contractor that wrote the plan without ever visiting the area, but the City staff endorsed it as a way to "close the trails w/o a mention": the new Director of Open Space Division (Chris Zirkle) confirmed: if they're not IN the plan, they're closed" at a CAC meeting.

    --Examination, assessment and surveying of the trails by City Staff never took place until AFTER they knew that the MTC and SDMBA teams were also doing it. Since some of those involved really were totally ignorant of the decades-long history or the former impacts now mitigated by public presence and trash-removal, it was easy for them to be seduced by the "mountainbikers did all this, this year" BS line that most of you know is Baloney. It was going to be an uphill battle for access, no matter what.

    Now, some other factors come into the explosion in Deer Canyon:

    --It's a great place to ride and was outside the jurisdiction of the City. People crave this stuff and friends do tell friends about great trails. He told two friends, then they told two friends... etc...

    --October 2007, fires. Hodges, Goodan, Mission Trails burned, closed, ruined. But people know of a killer place to ride and there's a temptation to tell others (who are desperately looking for a place to ride singletrack) where some great trails are. People did. See shampoo commercial reference, above.

    --Spring '08 Del Mar Mesa bulldozing. People lost a great place to ride and a great singletrack resource. People were looking for somewhere else to go and asked around. Some just followed tracks and explored.

    --Jonsocal paid for a Billboard on I-5 with directions to the trails. Oh, wait, maybe that's just a rumor.


    A few things were inevitable: that the Ranger and MSCP staff would become aware of the trail system on lands they were to accept for management is certainly one of them. There are plenty of things to kvetch over and regret, but please remember those basic facts: some accounting was necessary and unavoidable.

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    I don't know the guy who started this thread, and it sure would be easy to blame this guy, but to do so would not be correct. As Erik has pointed out, many factors going back many years are partly responsible for the current situation we are now facing.

    What really disturbs me is the fact the City doesn't have a comprehensive Trail Strategy and a Trail Commission to oversee the Trail Strategy.

    A Trail Strategy inventories every trail in the county, with catagories such as current condition, user-groups, conectivity, environmental impact, etc. Whenever a trail is being considered to be closed, for whatever reason, before signs go up, a complete impact report focusing on impacts to remaining trails must be done, and if appropriate, new trail(s) built to address trail users.

    When we lose trails, we don't lose trail users. Inventory is reduced, remaining trails get more use. More people on less trails may lead to trail conflicts. Trail conflicts may use to trail closure. Even less trails with even more trail users, are you seeing the cycle the City is helping to create?

    SDMBA realizes that without all trail managers, departments, and everyone that has the power to open or close a trail are not part of one Trail Management Commission, and can see the affects of their decisions to other areas, this cycle will continue, and no amount of low level advocacy will have much of an impact.

    A problem with this solution: Existing agencies would have to admit there is a problem with the way they currently do business. We need to show them there is a better way to manage trails, protect the environment, and still sell off our open spaces.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jonsocal
    I am as upset about losing my favorite and most local trail systems too.

    I'm going to try like many of the rest of us here to get things straightened out. We are all busy at this time of year and it will be tough to find more time to be involved, but this is a HUGE part of our everyday lives and mountainbiking. I am terribly bummed and hope to see this place flourish again so that we can ALL enjoy it once again.

    Thanks sandmangts.... much appreciated...
    I am pretty upset too, I finally got my new dream bike built up and I only got to ride the tunnels on it ONCE! One frickin time! Now what, I am stuck riding fire roads unless I want to drive somewhere. that sucks, its like driving a Ferrari in a parking lot.

    I agree though that many factors contributed to the traffic. I think the biggest was the closing of the Intestines. That is when the traffic really went up. Not so much when this thread was posted.

    I just found out that my company offers a grant program. Any employee that volunteers for an organization a certain number of hours can apply. It is up to $1500 bucks. I am going to try to get it for the SDMBA this year. Lots of companies offer this because it is tax deductable.

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    It occurs to me that if the "Tunnels" had stayed below the radar, there would not have been this level of advocacy, publicity and involvement. Keep the heat on, folks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by HarryCallahan
    It occurs to me that if the "Tunnels" had stayed below the radar, there would not have been this level of advocacy, publicity and involvement. Keep the heat on, folks!
    Thats a very good point. The time for silence is over.

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    Tunnels are currently closed by the City of San Diego. Two separate law suits are currently under review involving injuries sustained while riding in the tunnels, (apparently one with helicopter rescue). The City has posted and Park and Rec are patrolling and issuing citations. Easy to avoid them, they tend to hang at Euclyptus patch and entrance from Del Suro.
    Best access is thru Dove Canyon to the lake and then up to Holy Grail (tunnel #1)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Perkafella View Post
    Tunnels are currently closed by the City of San Diego. Two separate law suits are currently under review involving injuries sustained while riding in the tunnels, (apparently one with helicopter rescue). The City has posted and Park and Rec are patrolling and issuing citations. Easy to avoid them, they tend to hang at Euclyptus patch and entrance from Del Suro.
    Best access is thru Dove Canyon to the lake and then up to Holy Grail (tunnel #1)
    Where are you getting this info from? This is the first I have heard of any injury lawsuits in the tunnels and while I am not fully involved in all aspects of the process, I have been involved enough since the start of this whole debacle.

    Right now the only citations being give out are by the DFG if you are in their land. This has already been documented many times.

    Currently the tunnels are closed because, according to the city, none of the trails are authorized. Right now there is a plan to legitimize a fraction of the trails that are there. Until that is done there will be no legal access.

    Read up here. Go to the last couple of pages for the information.

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