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    ... and if we just ... Found the Tunnel Trail!!

    I was riding tonight out at Los Penasquitos with some people that I met up with on the trail and we all just happened to be looking for the same thing. The elusive "Tunnel Trail". We did finaly end up finding it and it was great! Nothing like riding a downhill windy trail at night that has you riding in a tunnel of greenery. Spectacular!! This is my new route when I ride PQ. It is a tad hard to find but it is well worth the effort. The loop is a mild and tight downhill with a mile long foliage tunnel all around you and the ride up and out is gradual and not terribly steep. (Doable in middle chainring for many of you out there.) Anyhow, I an not sure if it is supposed to be more secret or if it is completely known and I am a jackazz for not knowing about it. Either way, this made a more humdrum Thursday night ride something very special.
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    Where is it?

    If it's a legal trail, please post directions, if not PM me...

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    Yes, you are a jackazz, but it has nothing to do with your posting here.

    Seriously, Jon, where have you been hiding?



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    Quote Originally Posted by miles
    Yes, you are a jackazz,

    Now there is something we can all agree on
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    you should post your regular route, including the tunnel (if it is legal). i've been riding PQ for a while now and have been doing the same loop and wouldnt mind something new the next time i go out

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    Quote Originally Posted by xDennisLuix
    you should post your regular route, including the tunnel (if it is legal). i've been riding PQ for a while now and have been doing the same loop and wouldnt mind something new the next time i go out
    For now the land and trails are privately owned, the land is in the process of being transferred to the City of San Diego, this process will probably take about three months to be finalized, once the land becomes the property of the City, The San Diego Parks and Rec will manage the land.
    Until the land is transferred to the City, let’s try to keep the location off the message boards.

    BTW, the trails will be designated Hiking and Biking only.
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    You're killin' me, Smalls!!

    miles, Unfortunately due to a new JOB I have been off the bike for the better part of 6 months. I am just starting to get my cycling legs back under me. (Unfortunately, those cycling legs have to carry around all of this "table muscle" that I have acquired over those said 6 months!) I am looking to "participate" in the next 24 hr event in Idylwild. (Do they have 20 person teams?) Anyhow, I just found that Tunnel Trail last night and it was a great addition to my regular route. (I can't tell everyone where it is. Just ride around enough and you can find it if you look hard enough and are very LUCKY!!) . For the rest of you, it is a fantastic ride down with great soil underneath. You ride in a tunnel of trees that bends and swoops downhill for about 1 mile. There are several junctions along the way, though I only rode the one loop. The way up is also covered and not terribly technical. This whole section is like a Ewoks of Endor meets the Hobbit kinda ride. Very fun though I do think it should be ridden only one direction. If there it traffic in certain parts it will be tough to pass each other. anyhow, I am thining of riding it again at 8am tomorrow starting from "The Cantina". PM me if you are interested.
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    there is only one Tunnel T rail.........
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    I found the Tunnel trails and rode them today, nothing like the real Tunnel trail in Santa Barbara. Thanks to jackazz for posting it's existence , because I would never known about it, although it was not easy to find other than receiving directions from putting a 411 out to other San Diego riders. If I were a jackazz I would post some photos as well.

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    Ok. I have ridden Tunnel in SB, and ride PQ sh!t loads and think I ran out of new terrain. Somebody PM me directions on where it is! Dammit! 7 years ago, I was unemployed (by choice, of course) and golfed, surfed and rode everyday for 7 months and thought I had exploered all of PQ. Let me know. Its the closest trail to my house.

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    Not A Smart Move

    Well here we go again. The Internet juggernaut consumes another trail. There are so many people just word of mouth would have been sufficient. This is San Diego land of gnatcatchers and sensitive habitat after they have let the developers scrape it clean and back fill the canyons then fill their re-election coffers.But wait they forgot they brought people to live here and left them no where to recreate. Please no more mention of sweet morsels like this and the name is not Tunnel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by taffy15
    Well here we go again. The Internet juggernaut consumes another trail. There are so many people just word of mouth would have been sufficient. This is San Diego land of gnatcatchers and sensitive habitat after they have let the developers scrape it clean and back fill the canyons then fill their re-election coffers.But wait they forgot they brought people to live here and left them no where to recreate. Please no more mention of sweet morsels like this and the name is not Tunnel.
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    Smile is no big deal one mistake you pay on many trails, just go ride and remember that trail is called Funnels, just a typo!

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    Smile

    The reality of the situation is that, although migrant workers and equestrians have been cutting trails up there for years, the hateful among them will certainly use anecdotes about "new trails being cut" by "mountainbikers" as a reason to screw us all. Don't post maps, just don't.

    The reality of undeveloped land in the general vicinity of PQ falls into three categories:

    1) Developable land that will be bulldozed and scraped. All the Del Mar Mesa singletracks fall into this category, for example. They will be gone, as will nearly every plant and living thing you see other than those in area where you wouldn't ride a horse or bike, anyway. Ride 'em while ya gottem and don't worry about it. Do the pavement and homes built over the top of the great western DMM singletracks seem to have suffered any by pre-bulldozer trail usage?

    2) Open Space that will not be developed and will become City Land. Anything other than a long-established trail or fire road will likely be slated for closure upon discovery. Ride'em while ya gottem, but don't expect anything that can't be seen in a satellite photo to get official status.

    3) Open Space that will not be developed and is controlled by the Land Trust. This land won't come into Ranger jurisidiction, but can be fenced off and patrolled by SDPD if anyone ever starts to care about that land again. Trails that go into actual, or alleged, vernal pools will create a crisis for some, even if those trails are truck trails and the vernal pools were created by a Jeep in '92. Hey, I dug out and drove home, so nip it.

    Regardless, keep the photos of our 22' teeter totter the heck off the 'net.

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    The Official San Diego County Mountain Biker's Credo ---
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    -Hey Fellow MTBrs! I heard someone on this MTBR forum found the exit to the "Secret Bush Ride". Please keep the location quiet until the Private Land Owner transfers the Property to the City of San Diego. Hopefully this transfer will take place this year and then safe trails can be established for everyone. Because once some Newbie Yahoo gets hurt and sues the property owner "Game Over".
    -The current problem that concerns the property owner is that someone is over cutting "Hacking-Up" the oaks and the natural canopy is starting to THIN out. If you ride the Bush, please do not break off, cut or saw off anymore tree limbs or branches. The future is in your hands.

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    Cutting Branches

    You are absolutely correct no one should be cutting the limbs of those dwarf oaks. First all they are supposed to be a unique variety found in only a few spots. Second they provide a very twisty turny singletrack ride. At times you are are like Gumby getting through and you have to pay attention. Guess what you can't go all out all the time because the trail is so intimate with the trees. So we all need to keep an eye out for some knot head who might be trying to change the trail to suit his needs. The place has been a relief in pitiful backward nonprogressive San Diego. So lets not screw it up. By the way I met the owner and he was glad we were there really enjoying the land so we are getting a huge head start on things. Cutting more from the trees is needless.

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    "Taffy15" I totally agree with ya! Like you said, some "Knot Head" is trying change the trails to fit his/her needs! I have noticed most of all the tight turns, narrow sections, threading between the trees and ducking all the low hanging branches have been eliminated or trimmed way back. The small oak trees growing on the trails have been hacked off and thrown in a pile on the side of the trails thinning out the canopy. All the native green, orange and yellow moss that grows on the oaks in the shade are starting to dry up, so the eco system is also taking a hit. I have lived here in PQ since 1976 and this is the last of the unique and natural places to ride in PQ. Ya, I hear the Land owner and his son are also mountain bikers! Also be careful and watch out for two of the bridges on Bush Trail #2, they are starting to fall apart. Scary liability! Peace Out Brothers!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5150MTB
    ...... Also be careful and watch out for two of the bridges on Bush Trail #2, they are starting to fall apart. Scary liability! Peace Out Brothers!
    Those bridges and ladders are a joke. The skill is not riding on them but trying not to break them or tip them over.

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    Gettihg A Handle

    We need to get a handle on this asap. I am going to try and get the right people involved with this starting with the next SDMBA meeting. I think one of the SDMBA officers is already going to get it started. He rode there a while back and just rode there lately and noticed the cutting going on. I ran into the kids who put in the stunts. They carried stuff in on their bikes that is why it is all so flimsy and already falling apart. They said they had just started to ride Flightline and were trying to emulate what they liked. Difference was Flightline was like a bricksh t house and they were using popsicle sticks. I think they need to have their little hearts broken and that stuff taken down before the officials do it for us. It will be bad enough some one is cutting trees so they can go faster or don't hit their little heads. It is mtn biking you moron!!!!! Once again the need to create trails appealing to the various biking disiplines is apparent. Look at the most recent trails they made in Moab, recent issue, and go on the web and see what they are doing in Canada. Look at what a destination Fruita has become. With proper management people can use these resources maintain the environment and generate money for the region. Here we are met with monumental obstacles and a can't do mentality. The population here has grown at a huge pace with the encouragement of our governments, city, county and state. We need to pressure them to build more trails as well as sewers schools roads and malls. Anyone go to the city council meeting for Flightline? Anyone contact a land manager to do trail work or get on a trail work party. They have those in Vancouver and 300 people showed up.The next trail work party for La Costa Preserve is the 19th of May. Contact CNLM. Or look on the SDMBA site for a trail work party. We desparately need a place like TW. What is it going to take to wake up the local officials. Taking things underground is just to temporary. Just as skateboarding did we have to do. It is time to come out of the closet in SAN Diego. Mountain Biking is Not a Crime

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    Tunnels

    It is a sweeet sweet trail. We go there every tuesday pretty much. Though it was a big secret when we got there a couple of weeks ago there was plenty traffic.

    My friend did a whole gps map of all the routes in that area. I'm hesitant to post haha. But I agree about that A bridge.

    Totally do able though when we went down it was already gone on tuesday but you can totally roll it. Caught some of our group riders by surprise. The last bridge also looks sketchy but its actually pretty solid.

    I'd advise the non bridge route. it feels a lot longer and flows better.

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    Tunnel trails in jeopardy of being closed

    FYI, the word just came down from PQ and the Black Mountain CAC, Deer Canyon/Tunnel trails could possibly be closed because of the damage caused by cyclist and the thinning of the canopy, as mentioned by taffy15 the dwarf oak is a vary rare species of tree and requires just the right conditions to survive, the canopy also provides cover for a variety of other rare plants. We need to start self regulating our use of the canyon now, SDMBA will start posting flyers at the trailheads asking cyclist to respect the land and to stop cutting the canopy, stop cutting new trails, avoid skidding downhill and around corners.
    Please spread the word that we are in jeopardy of loosing one of the best trails in San Diego.

    Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TCB
    FYI, the word just came down from PQ and the Black Mountain CAC, Deer Canyon/Tunnel trails could possibly be closed because of the damage caused by cyclist and the thinning of the canopy,
    So, the "secret" tunnel trail, and the Deer Canyon trail are one and the same?

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    It doesn't help that there are the Bonita folks bringing like 30 heads into that trail. Ridiculous. This should not be a big organized group ride type trail.

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    will post better vid soon


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    Quote Originally Posted by SHIVER ME TIMBERS
    there is only one Tunnel T rail.........
    yep. this tunnel trail would be orders of magnitude less intense than the real tunnel. if you thought BLT is a yawner, try PQ, super snooooooooozer. skip!

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    92SE-R, I understand your concern regarding this trail. However, i am one of those Bonita folks that came up to ride on 4/29/07. Just to set the record straight there was only 6 of us (not 30) and it seemed that the trail was congested with riders but the major population was not our 6 riders. It was a ride that we also heard about on the internet and rode and will not be back to ride until the trail is approved to ride legally. I hope you do not have any bad feelings toward the MTBikers in the south bay, due to us coming up to experience this trail on a day that seemed like everyone came out to ride.

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    Bonita Folks ???

    92SE-R ???? What are you talking about? 30 Bonita riders? Were your glasses fogged up or what? Like Amor587 said, there were only 6 of us came up that way on 4/29. It was not 30 of us. Besides, there should not be anyones concern if us or others ride in your area. We have no objections if others come and ride in our area.

    They are open lands, some protected, some not, and they are available for trail users of any type. What they don't want is trail distructions or cutting new ones.

    I know you are frustrated with the possibility of closer of this trail, but what I don't like is you blame it on Bonita Folks. You should direct your anger towards the ones cutting those uniqe Oak trees or whatever they are.

    By the way, how did you find out there were 30 of us? As far as I know, we didn't have " BONITA FOLKS " written all over our jerseys that day, right Amor587?

    I also like to mention that we were invited by another MTB group to explor the area and we really enjoyed the ride that day. It is bad that they are planning to close it. I bet we are all really about it.



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    I apologize if I mistook all you guys for the Bonita guys that day. There was a HUGE group that day and I heard from others that it was an internet organized Bonita event. My beef is with VERY LARGE internet organized groups, not with where you are from.

    It was bad that day and completely congested in there. You could sit at any point in the trail and hear voices and yelling all around you. That trail is just not meant for that type of traffic and that big of a group. That is also a great way to get that type of trail closed.

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    92SER-R, no worries.... I know that it is frustrating when faced with closure of trails (especially when there is one so close and as fun as the Tunnel Trail). We hope that this trail is not lost and will be an appropriate trail for future riding. We did notice that the plant life coverage that is being cut and it's sad that this is being done. Anyways, thank you for voicing your concern.

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    c'mon man

    sheesh, you clowns act like you have found the holy grail!!!
    i have ridden the tunnels many times. its fun and cool, but by no means am I gonna slobber all over everyone about it.
    if its on private land, it can't be closed, unless the owner wants to stop it.
    so, i guess either I am confused about the govt stepping in and closing it or... this forum is confused.
    maybe its not on private land? although I thought it was.
    all I know is that I rode there a week ago sunday...there was a large group. one guy had a broken chain. instead of fixing it....all he could do is ask everyone that rode by for a quick-link. BFD. dude, fix your chain. if it has broken previously, just dont use your large chain ring. but shut the heck up...quick link...quickl link...i could have fixed it in the time you kept whining about a quick link.

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    Remember it is wine country, LOL

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    I stumbled on this trail last night as well.... I was riding alone and the sun was almost down. I got a little sketched out because I didn't know where I was. lol I rode most of it though. Loved it! Definitely a great addition to PQ and DMM.

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    Keep it on the down low...

    Keep the ride to yourselves...and those who know and want to ride with others who know PM eachother to ride...

    There are miles of other good trails in PQ for the non-locals...

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    Quote Originally Posted by whattheheck
    one guy had a broken chain. instead of fixing it....all he could do is ask everyone that rode by for a quick-link. BFD. dude, fix your chain. if it has broken previously, just dont use your large chain ring. but shut the heck up...quick link...quickl link...i could have fixed it in the time you kept whining about a quick link.
    And in typical San Diego style, you didn't have the balls to say anything to his face, but you have plenty of courage to talk smack on the internet. Why didn't you stop and show the guy the how to fix his chain?

    Having moved here from Boston two years ago, I've found that this sort of attitude runs rampant here in San Diego and probaly has a lot to do with the lack of any organized bike parks down: people just don't have the motivation or cajones to do anything about the situation.

    Don't shake the boat, brah.

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    Too much Puss N Boots in SD these days
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    Quote Originally Posted by brendancahill
    And in typical San Diego style, you didn't have the balls to say anything to his face, but you have plenty of courage to talk smack on the internet. Why didn't you stop and show the guy the how to fix his chain?

    Having moved here from Boston two years ago, I've found that this sort of attitude runs rampant here in San Diego and probaly has a lot to do with the lack of any organized bike parks down: people just don't have the motivation or cajones to do anything about the situation.

    Don't shake the boat, brah.
    Amen!! Although I think it's a SoCal thing, not just a SD thing.
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    Listen, the guy had a chain tool, he also had 15 people standing around him.
    If it is a So. Cal attitude....then the attitude was coming from the guy with the broken chain.
    instead of shutting the F-up and fixing his chain, he wanted everyone one to know that his chain had broken and that he was also f-n lazy cause all he wanted to do was have someone give him a Sram quick-link (or whatever it is called). He wanted everyone to know that he was important and the everyone should be aware that he is important and everyone should wait...NOW THAT IS THE SO CAL ATTITUDE
    He knew how to fix the chain!
    If he was riding in my group and kept wasting riding time....I would have pushed him aside and fixed it so I wouldnt have to listen to him. But, since he had a bunch of kronies with him...we asked if he needed help, he said no, so we rode on by.
    BTW,.... go back to Boston

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    Come on guys, we are all mountain bikers, sharing the same interest. No name calling is going to solve the problem, and having an attitude is not acceptable. The only attitude is to go out and have fun riding our rigs, and yes, helping each other on the trails.

    So keep it cool and enjoy the trails before they get closed. And, PLEASE don't forget to help each other as we are all a big family of mountain bikers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by whattheheck
    BTW,.... go back to Boston
    changed my mind, not worth the effort. I fancy face to face name calling, anyways.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mxnmtber
    Keep the ride to yourselves...and those who know and want to ride with others who know PM eachother to ride...

    There are miles of other good trails in PQ for the non-locals...
    it's not like it's either A) a secret and B) hard to find.

    Sheesh. I've been riding PQ for years and I've gone many, many rides in a row without seeing another cyclist on any of the DMM trails. I've ridden the Tunnel Trails three times and have seen no fewer than 6 other riders on the trails each time out there.

    ride 'em while we have 'em. if they're going to be closed, it's not because non locals are riding them. besides, what are we surfing? dude, that's our break. stay off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yeti_Rider
    besides, what are we surfing? dude, that's our break. stay off.

    YR
    Another well said comment. A whole lot of that seems to go around as well. I'm all for keeping info off the internet, but I love how people--and I'm not referring to anyone in particular here--get possessive of a trail they didn't even build. AND--if they built it on public land, it's even more lame.
    I hope you have a big trunk... 'cuz I'm puttin' my bike in it.

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    is there any other places on the internet where this trail is discussed?

    me and my buddies built the bridges on this trail and was wondering who took them all down. I wondered if it is worth it to put them back up too.

    PM me if you want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fins
    is there any other places on the internet where this trail is discussed?

    me and my buddies built the bridges on this trail and was wondering who took them all down. I wondered if it is worth it to put them back up too.

    PM me if you want.
    I heard the land owner took the bridges down. If that is the case, I would would not. JMO

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    Yeah word is about the bridges, so I guess the land owner doesn't mind cyclist but since it is private property and people are eating it on the bridges they don't want to get in trouble. Hence they removed the bridges.

    But yes i liked the bridges , I've never done them other than the tunnel trails.

    As for moto.. how wide we talking, 250f wide? because (not that I have done it at the tunnel trails .. promise) but man it would be badd ass to bring in a crf50 or 70 in there. my 50 is hopped up and runs a pretty wide tire so I'm guessing they had a 50-70 there. I actually saw an abandoned z50 at the junk pile near the trail head. you can totally moto there with a 50 on that trail and haul ass.

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    I don't think I have ever been through the "Tunnels". I have biked PQ extensively but donít think I have come across this area. I usually ride from west to east on the mesa and drop down Cobbles or come up Power Line and drop down to the west (****s?). Any advice or hints to help me?

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    Good luck. I have put 1000's of miles in at PQ and I KNOW i have not ridden down Tunnel. At this point, I must have ridden everything except Tunnel. Last time I asked where it was, I more or less got slapped down. Its a secret.

    I will make a point of riding every square inch of PQ once it cools off to find the Tunnel.



    Quote Originally Posted by sdfisher
    I don't think I have ever been through the "Tunnels". I have biked PQ extensively but donít think I have come across this area. I usually ride from west to east on the mesa and drop down Cobbles or come up Power Line and drop down to the west (****s?). Any advice or hints to help me?

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    Yep. You will both have to do some exploring it looks like. It's definitely a "secret".

    just look for the million bike tracks

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    Go on buddy, build on, as it is us, mountain bikers against these a$$holes, who aren't doing anything to improve the situation, but instead, hire people to remove the little bridges and things that we make with our own money for our own pleasure that doesn't harm anyone or any environment.

    So keep it up, build it fast and build it bigger than ever. If they remove, we build again. If they remove, we cut new trails which they don't like. They put up a fence, we take our bolt cutters.

    We shall win, this is the bottom line, and we will. If they want us to stop, then they need to build a mountain bike park somewhere in this freaking town. We have skate board parks, right? Now, we need our mountain bike park. Period.

    Thanks for all hard work you did.




    Quote Originally Posted by Fins
    is there any other places on the internet where this trail is discussed?

    me and my buddies built the bridges on this trail and was wondering who took them all down. I wondered if it is worth it to put them back up too.

    PM me if you want.
    THOSE WHO KNOW, RIDE TURNER

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    Yeah, and there are too many people using the trials so we need to kill them too!

    And I don't like the dust so we should dig it all out. Maybe have it paved.

    After all we have the right to the land regardless of who owns it. How dare they actually think that they might be liable for any damages. We are better than they think and never get hurt.

    You know, my nieghbors house is in my path to the trails. I think I will build a trail through it. After all, it is my right to do what I need to feel good about myself because this damn city won't build me a bike park!

    Duh!!!!!

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