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    Flightline Alterations

    I would be very satisfied if the right person were to read this. Who are you who cut down a large tree branch on the trail coming up from the bridge at the end of the skyline trail. I always cleaned that tree and personally witnessed taller riders clean it. Why do you feel a trail can be altered to your riding ability? Did you make disposition of the limb or did you just litter the trail side with the debris? Yeah right after the trail was brought down to this guy's riding ability the limb was just left on the side. I also noticed rocks that had been used to protect the trail shoulder had been moved into a small gully to make it easier to clean. Was that your hard sweat that put in the trail? I didn't think so. Then why move rocks that were used to stabilize the trail shoulder when you should be improving your riding ability? You belong on a fire road please ride at the state parks where your ability belongs. I see stuff all the time like squeeze two or the jump above it and I simply bypass them because I am not up to that stuff. I leave the stuff alone for the challenge it provides others . Tonight I ran into another rider who also noticed the missing limb because it provided a technical to him on another wise ordinary section. I have a friend who always cleaned it and he is 53 yrs old and 6-2. You are pathetic! Take your saw else where. Better then having you read this I HOPE TO CATCH YOU altering other trail technicals.:mad2:

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    Taffy,
    I don't know who cut the branch.
    All I have to say is I agree, I'm not
    the most technical rider, I go around
    or walk the stufff I can't do. I've learned
    a lot and have became a more technical
    rider because ot YOUR AWSOME trails.
    I've been riding for almost 20 years. You're
    doing an AWESOME JOB. keep it up.
    We really enjoy your trails.
    Clyde.

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    What a shame that some riders think they have to "improve" a trail by making it easier. I noticed the missing branch as well and was dissapointed about removing an obstacle that I was able to clean after a few tries. Also what happend to the roots? I have been working on that section for the longest time and was just about getting to a point that I might clean it without crashing. It's still a nice section but not quite as challenging anymore. Overall I always feel like I'm honored to ride in this area, it's unique and challenging. Thank you taffy and others for the real hard work you put in there. If you ever decide to post a collection box on the trail to cover materials, I'll be the first one to contribute.

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    Do I understand this "branch" to be something that one would ride under?

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    man that sucks.....at least you can put the rocks back
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    Don't get me wrong, I love to get close-lined in the head by a low branch because I forgot to duck or especially across the ribs causing an instant 180. These obstacles are not technical nor enjoyable but purely a point of inconvenience and pain. I also like overgrown trails

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtdbike
    Don't get me wrong, I love to get close-lined in the head by a low branch because I forgot to duck or especially across the ribs causing an instant 180. These obstacles are not technical nor enjoyable but purely a point of inconvenience and pain. I also like overgrown trails
    maybe someone can explain about the cut branch....do you ride over, under or to the side???
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    I noticed that too....
    Gotta admit, I've removed a few branches in the past.
    But that's after I've taken a serious smack in the face by them, and saw stars!
    (like the one just above the root section on Dawson).

    I don't like when someone takes a technical rock section and "pussifys" it either!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Clyde
    Taffy,
    I don't know who cut the branch.
    All I have to say is I agree, I'm not
    the most technical rider, I go around
    or walk the stufff I can't do. I've learned
    a lot and have became a more technical
    rider because ot YOUR AWSOME trails.
    I've been riding for almost 20 years. You're
    doing an AWESOME JOB. keep it up.
    We really enjoy your trails.
    Clyde.
    I agree with Clyde!
    I've been riding Flatline for 11 years now....changes for the better, in spite of the developers "raping" the adjacent land.
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    somebody stacked rocks on a few of my favorite tech sections on SJT. it was almost a let down when i cleared a few spots, thought they were easier, went back and realized that my accomplishment was tainted by the fact that some focker was making the trail so HE could clean it.

    the other major let-down was low branch that was there the last time we rode was also removed. i was really bummed by its removal. one of those just above eye level head destroyers that you know is there if you DON'T SHUTTLE. thats what they make full face helmets for right?

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    Illegal trails are one thing

    Any unsanctioned trail maintenance on a legal trial is probably against the law. If the legal authorities see any trail that has been modified by someone other than proper maintenance personal then that legal trail could be closed.
    One of the rules of trail riding for me is this, if I can't ride it, I try harder or walk.

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    I am with Taffy - if you Pusses cannot duck then go ride a bike path. If I see you cutting on a trail that you DID NOT CREATE from begining to end like Taffy I am gonna kick your ass too. And I am out ther allot! THis also goes for you pusses who add traverses across 3 or 4 trails so you can by pass tough climbs. You freeride DHers are killing MTBiking. Flightline is almost a curse because any yahoo with time can do whatever they want regardless of the long term impact. Taffys trails rule and should be left as he designed them, tree branches rocks, spikes death drops whatever. Don't like it go to Dailey.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darkstar
    You freeride DHers are killing MTBiking.
    first off, this statement shows that your sweeping generalization of anyone who doesn't ride like you is bad for MTBing........good work!

    second, I commend anyone who puts the time and effort into building/maintaining any trails. A little work goes a long way, but the reality is if these trails are on public land then ANYONE has the same right to maintain them. This doesn't mean they legally have the right to, but then who does?
    Not everyone has 20 years of trail etiquette under their belt; I doubt the alterations were a direct attempt at ruining "YOUR LINE". If these trails are open to the public then you're going to have to deal with bikers who ride them differently. If you put your time and effort into a public trail then that is the risk.

    I have never been on this trail, but I'm assuming the changes were made in an attempt to make the line downhill line faster? If so, then why isn't this anymore acceptable then you making it harder?

    I personally don't think any grooming should be done aside from water barring the erosion. Getting through the natural line is what I enjoy, but I don't own the land I ride on and whether I like it or not someone is going to feel the need to change it.

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    Faster.........

    Quote Originally Posted by offtheedge
    first off, this statement shows that your sweeping generalization of anyone who doesn't ride like you is bad for MTBing........good work!

    second, I commend anyone who puts the time and effort into building/maintaining any trails. A little work goes a long way, but the reality is if these trails are on public land then ANYONE has the same right to maintain them. This doesn't mean they legally have the right to, but then who does?
    Not everyone has 20 years of trail etiquette under their belt; I doubt the alterations were a direct attempt at ruining "YOUR LINE". If these trails are open to the public then you're going to have to deal with bikers who ride them differently. If you put your time and effort into a public trail then that is the risk.

    I have never been on this trail, but I'm assuming the changes were made in an attempt to make the line downhill line faster? If so, then why isn't this anymore acceptable then you making it harder?

    I personally don't think any grooming should be done aside from water barring the erosion. Getting through the natural line is what I enjoy, but I don't own the land I ride on and whether I like it or not someone is going to feel the need to change it.


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    I think this statement is incorrect. ."but the reality is if these trails are on public land then ANYONE has the same right to maintain them."

    If the trail is on public land then it is not us "The public" that can change a trail. The "government" can change a trail. Taxes create public land, not users of the public land.
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    Quote Originally Posted by noslogan
    I think this statement is incorrect. ."but the reality is if these trails are on public land then ANYONE has the same right to maintain them."

    If the trail is on public land then it is not us "The public" that can change a trail. The "government" can change a trail. Taxes create public land, not users of the public land.
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    Agreed, that's why I tried to stay away from any direct implication that one person has anymore right than the other.
    Unless you are under authorization of said government body then you shouldn't be doing any alterations.

    The point is, Dh'ers aren't ruining anything accept what used to be XCers own private trails. This whole go-downers vs. go-uppers is gay. You don't have to like the way another MTBer rides, but you had better accept that they have the same rights you do on public land.
    Every type of riding has it's share of A$$hats, but to say all of any group is ruining things is just stupid.

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    Most of the land is own by the Wong family which most or their parcels are currently being developing into Carlsbad Oaks North. The creek areas are own by San Diego County, and Dawson Canyon is a protected natural preserve own by UCSD. As for myself I own 0.14 acres directly next door since 1993.
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    Quote Originally Posted by offtheedge
    first off, this statement shows that your sweeping generalization of anyone who doesn't ride like you is bad for MTBing........good work!

    second, I commend anyone who puts the time and effort into building/maintaining any trails. A little work goes a long way, but the reality is if these trails are on public land then ANYONE has the same right to maintain them. This doesn't mean they legally have the right to, but then who does?
    Not everyone has 20 years of trail etiquette under their belt; I doubt the alterations were a direct attempt at ruining "YOUR LINE". If these trails are open to the public then you're going to have to deal with bikers who ride them differently. If you put your time and effort into a public trail then that is the risk.

    I have never been on this trail, but I'm assuming the changes were made in an attempt to make the line downhill line faster? If so, then why isn't this anymore acceptable then you making it harder?

    I personally don't think any grooming should be done aside from water barring the erosion. Getting through the natural line is what I enjoy, but I don't own the land I ride on and whether I like it or not someone is going to feel the need to change it.

    Someone, not the jerk off who cut the tree branch, but Taffy built the trail. As far as any kind of ethics that gives him the right to decide where it is technical and where it is fast. Pump tracks have there place too. This is just not one of them. If jerk off with the saw wants to make his own trails then by all means have at! There are still several places to put a trail left if he gets off his lazy ass and does some work of his own instead of screwing with the work of others. That is the issue. Sweeping generalizations are generally true. Not uncommon to see guys out there smoking cigarettes and tossing gatorade containers now. People who ride up rarely have so little respect for nature. It goes like anything else if you earn it you are naturally inclinded to respect it. Anything just given to you is worthless. IE the smokign DHers cutting traverses across 4 or 5 good trails to avoid a climb. That just hurts us all. Flightline is starting to prove what I think most people think about us MTBers and that is we have no respect for nature. There was a time when a hard line could be drawn between the throttle twisters and the pedalers. No longer. It looks to me that before long we will have a lifeless sand dune park thanks to brainless work. Taffy does it right. Others are good efforts - upper squeeze is killer lower squeeze will be fun till a real rain take out the whole area. Still others the traverses across trails that have been there for 5 years is just retarded. I have room for any MTBer who respects the trails even if they do not like the line. DHing, bmxing all in its place. That is not where someone else did the heavy lifting to get a sweet trail in place!!
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    Hey Darkstar....What am I if I own both an XC and a DH bike? Confused, I guess?

    Taffy has done an awesome job out there!

    From what I hear, the "traverse" trails were installed to get to the trails on far side of Flightline quickly. If you don't like them, simply don't use them. I am not overly concerned about the quality of trails, just the "fun factor"!

    I don't think threatning to "kick someone's ass" for whatever reason is the answer out there. I respect all ability levels and all forms of riding; (Hell, I even own a road bike). I greet every rider I encounter out there and I encourage them to explore the area. I'm even friendly to "nature boy"!

    The Flightline users, including runners, hikers, geocachers, adjacent homeowners, etc, need to somehow ban together, maintain and save the remaining trails, before someone decides to install fences, signage, and police patrols to keep all users out. Perhaps IMBA needs to be brought in?

    Let's enjoy the area while we can before concrete covers the entire area; like Orange County!

    Can't we all just get along?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darkstar
    Someone, not the jerk off who cut the tree branch, but Taffy built the trail. As far as any kind of ethics that gives him the right to decide where it is technical and where it is fast. Pump tracks have there place too. This is just not one of them. If jerk off with the saw wants to make his own trails then by all means have at! There are still several places to put a trail left if he gets off his lazy ass and does some work of his own instead of screwing with the work of others. That is the issue. Sweeping generalizations are generally true. Not uncommon to see guys out there smoking cigarettes and tossing gatorade containers now. People who ride up rarely have so little respect for nature. It goes like anything else if you earn it you are naturally inclinded to respect it. Anything just given to you is worthless. IE the smokign DHers cutting traverses across 4 or 5 good trails to avoid a climb. That just hurts us all. Flightline is starting to prove what I think most people think about us MTBers and that is we have no respect for nature. There was a time when a hard line could be drawn between the throttle twisters and the pedalers. No longer. It looks to me that before long we will have a lifeless sand dune park thanks to brainless work. Taffy does it right. Others are good efforts - upper squeeze is killer lower squeeze will be fun till a real rain take out the whole area. Still others the traverses across trails that have been there for 5 years is just retarded. I have room for any MTBer who respects the trails even if they do not like the line. DHing, bmxing all in its place. That is not where someone else did the heavy lifting to get a sweet trail in place!!

    So thatís all fine and good, but again if taffy built a trail on public land then what him and others may see as great will suck to someone else. There is no right or wrong, just opinion.

    And dude why even act like you can or will co-exist with gravity riders. You don't like them as a whole. You have made it clear that they are the reason all the trash and alterations to this trail are happening. If you want young riders to respect the trail don't start throwing out post about how they suck and they are killing MTBing. You can't respect what you don't understand and you'll never understand it if you are provoked into defending yourself.

    There is obviously a new generation of riders that weren't brought into the sport like many of us. Thatís not their fault, were should they learn about trail etiquette if the people who have it hate them? You earn respect not demand it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mudd
    Hey Darkstar....What am I if I own both an XC and a DH bike? Confused, I guess?

    Taffy has done an awesome job out there!

    From what I hear, the "traverse" trails were installed to get to the trails on far side of Flightline quickly. If you don't like them, simply don't use them. I am not overly concerned about the quality of trails, just the "fun factor"!

    I don't think threatning to "kick someone's ass" for whatever reason is the answer out there. I respect all ability levels and all forms of riding; (Hell, I even own a road bike). I greet every rider I encounter out there and I encourage them to explore the area. I'm even friendly to "nature boy"!

    The Flightline users, including runners, hikers, geocachers, adjacent homeowners, etc, need to somehow ban together, maintain and save the remaining trails, before someone decides to install fences, signage, and police patrols to keep all users out. Perhaps IMBA needs to be brought in?

    Let's enjoy the area while we can before concrete covers the entire area; like Orange County!

    Can't we all just get along?
    Everything in it's place. I love to go downhill and I love to throw on a full face and ride lifts. I have a dirt jump bike and love it. But I do not go bull dozing the hard work of others because it fits my riding style better. I see some retarded trail building out there but hey they built it I will ride it-as built. I will not change it. That is disrespectful to someone who created what they wanted from nothing not went and screwed up someone elses work (kick ass work at that).

    I would think it is common decency to leave a trail as I find it. And yes I would love to have IMBA involved. OR better yet a committe of people who ride out there AND build trails from the ground up. Not screw with what others have busted their asses to do.

    To the post under this one. Demanding respect? What kind of idiot needs to be reminded not to change the work of others? You said it your self traverses "to make it easier" thats respect for what others have done......I am a puss so I will cut this traverse to make it easier. Waaa. Pathetic. Dailey ranch, Lake hodges they can make it as easy as you want. Leave tech tech. Period. You guys want it all to be dual slalom and 4 up. WTF?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darkstar
    What kind of idiot needs to be reminded not to change the work of others? WTF?

    The kind of idiot that doesn't know any better!

    I'm done trying to be logical or dyplomatic with you dude. You are a bitter, elitist who obviously believes that anyone who doesn't "get it" like you is an idiot. You think because some 19 year old kid doesn't have your god given connection with nature that he is ruining your sport. You're worst for this sport than any limb cutting idiot. Elbows out right?

    E-threats, wow now there is a symbol of MTB unity. You're a joke.

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    Quote Originally Posted by offtheedge
    The kind of idiot that doesn't know any better!

    I'm done trying to be logical or dyplomatic with you dude. You are a bitter, elitist who obviously believes that anyone who doesn't "get it" like you is an idiot. You think because some 19 year old kid doesn't have your god given connection with nature that he is ruining your sport. You're worst for this sport than any limb cutting idiot. Elbows out right?

    E-threats, wow now there is a symbol of MTB unity. You're a joke.
    I am bad for the sport? Ask the equestrians, hikers and property owners......they are the ones who close us out. What they want to see go away. Bet you it is the dwnhill speedsters who cut any part of the trail that does not suit them. That is bad for the the sport.

    For that matter the start of this post is by the person who built the trail. The guy who did the hard work and made a sick piece of 1 track that most love. What logic is there for me to love the brother humper who decided it did not fit his needs? Logic how about a little common sense?

    BTW dude relax and reread the post your alittle out there on the reply. I find someone moding the trail and I will ask them nice to stop then I'll kick their ass.

    Hey BTW Mudd had the best attitude about it except for thinking building traverses is acceptable.
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    Regarding Flightline alterations

    One big giant THANK YOU for the major work done out there. I am blown away at the amount of work you put in. I can really apprieciate just how much work went into it when I hike or run the trails. I love the challenges and look forward to the rides out there.

    Cleaning the 2nd trail up to the parking lot is a *****, but do-able. So hard it stokes you out for hours afterwards. Give the idiot who cut the branch the benefit of the doubt, maybe he thought he was helping? I myself thought about doing something about the ROOTS over above the creek, but didn't, thinking maybe who built these trails wanted it that way. Happy to see the narrow board you added (still gotta be on, it's not an automatic for most riders).

    Love the new trail! Thirty F-ING six foot bridge, ARE YOU KIDDING ME, Hell of a job! Watch hitting it with a moist front tire, 5'-6' fall into poison oak might not be fun (but that's what makes it exciting, heh).

    I've been ridding a long time, been on alot of epic rides (including several in Moab) and this place ROCKS! Keep up the good work and let us know what you need help with, CASH, CHICKEN WIRE, WOMEN, whatever lets us know...

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    I agree.....This bridge ROCKS!
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    Hey, nice picture. Got anymore?

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    This bridge ROCKS too....
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    Kat McPhee ROCKS!
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    HUGE ASS, great voice, HUGE ASS

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    The trailbuilder, hard at work.....
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    Whoa! I can't beleive some of the hating that's going on surrounding a trail I ride every day. Don't get me wrong, I'm not terribly stoked about the sections of Flightline that have been sanitized either, but one thing we all need to remember is we're riding and trail building on private property. If I owned the land and built the trails, hell yeah I'd be telling people to cut the sanitizing out....but we don't own the land.

    Just my 2 cents worth. I agree with Mudd...let's just ride our bikes and enjoy Flightline while we have it.

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    Need a new name for the 36' bridge trail? Since the focking cat is out of the bag.

    Post some sugestions please:

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    How about, "36' bridge trail"? I know it's a stretch...

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    Quote Originally Posted by downhilljill
    Whoa! I can't beleive some of the hating that's going on surrounding a trail I ride every day. Don't get me wrong, I'm not terribly stoked about the sections of Flightline that have been sanitized either, but one thing we all need to remember is we're riding and trail building on private property. If I owned the land and built the trails, hell yeah I'd be telling people to cut the sanitizing out....but we don't own the land.

    Just my 2 cents worth. I agree with Mudd...let's just ride our bikes and enjoy Flightline while we have it.
    Yeah, don't be HATEN now!

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    Thanks Taffy

    I rode flightline for the first time (first time dropping in from safety center) a couple of weeks ago and run into a guy riding an ellsworth and asked him if I could tagalong. He says pretty clean trails huh? I tell him whoever put in all this work is a crazy and the trail is unbelievable. Not until 15 mins later does he tell me he built everything! He then takes me on a guided tour of all the new improvements (mind you I'm hiking a lot of the **** that he is clearing with ease). The trail is awesome and the work taffy has done is unbelievable. Much thanks man...hope we can keep the trail open. btw i'm the guy with the stumpjumper fsr who got the blowout. Good work...and can't we all just get along?

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    Hey

    All this energy.....................
    We rode monday. Taffy, You're awesome. After the ride we
    were talking to a guy who said he's the super for the development
    company doing the constuction out there. He says the COUNTY owns
    the land and part of the agreement is for the developer to put up a
    chainlink and barb wire fence up to keep US out. They are worried
    about liabilty. He says the Sheriff will patrol for Trespassing. He also
    said the COUNTY wants him to demo the trails. He could be full of
    ****, but from talking to him and past experiences from the "BIG GUYS"
    I tend to believe him. We've lost Flightline once before. Taffy has put
    a ton of AWESOME work into this place. I don't know the answer, but
    I'd hate to lose these trails. I don't think there's much we can do, I don't
    have much free time, but if I can help save Flightline I'll do what I can.
    Clyde
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    That sucks

    If we could somehow get together on this, maybe get some firemen involved (I think those guys run out there). Yea go ahead and put up a fence and a No Trespassing signs (to please the Laywers) we won't ride there anymore (wink,wink).

    Hell, I've been "trespassing" on trails my whole life...

    Maybe we could kill the guy and Taffy could use his rib cage for a loose section? Just a thought...



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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Clyde
    All this energy.....................
    We rode monday. Taffy, You're awesome. After the ride we
    were talking to a guy who said he's the super for the development
    company doing the constuction out there. He says the COUNTY owns
    the land and part of the agreement is for the developer to put up a
    chainlink and barb wire fence up to keep US out. They are worried
    about liabilty. He says the Sheriff will patrol for Trespassing. He also
    said the COUNTY wants him to demo the trails. He could be full of
    ****, but from talking to him and past experiences from the "BIG GUYS"
    I tend to believe him. We've lost Flightline once before. Taffy has put
    a ton of AWESOME work into this place. I don't know the answer, but
    I'd hate to lose these trails. I don't think there's much we can do, I don't
    have much free time, but if I can help save Flightline I'll do what I can.
    Clyde
    Wow, that really sucks if it's true. I'd hate to lose Flightline. Props to Taffy and everyone who has helped make the place what it is. Let's just ride it and enjoy it...if people choose to alter the trail to make it more rideable/easier/harder...whatever. It's just dirt and vegetation. Mother Nature tends to alter trails in her own way, too. Threatening to kick someone's ass over it is silly. Let's just ride our bikes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtdbike
    Need a new name for the 36' bridge trail? Since the focking cat is out of the bag.

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    I've always referred to it as the "Sycamore Trail" and "Sycamore Trail Bridge".
    Named after that huge tree adjacent to the bridge.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mudd
    I've always referred to it as the "Sycamore Trail" and "Sycamore Trail Bridge".
    Named after that huge tree adjacent to the bridge.
    That works for me. So Sycarmore Trail it will be. Starts by heading west at the Fenceline Trail and ends up at the Geo Cache Trail.

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    ditto on that....

    Quote Originally Posted by downhilljill
    Wow, that really sucks if it's true. I'd hate to lose Flightline. Props to Taffy and everyone who has helped make the place what it is. Let's just ride it and enjoy it...if people choose to alter the trail to make it more rideable/easier/harder...whatever. It's just dirt and vegetation. Mother Nature tends to alter trails in her own way, too. Threatening to kick someone's ass over it is silly. Let's just ride our bikes.
    I agree with DownHillJill. Flightline is an awesome place to trail ride and have fun...either it be X-riding or Fr-riding. I've ridden flightline 8-9 years now and hate to see it go away. I'm not getting any younger and like to maintain what mtb skills I have left. Flightline is the idea place for me to maintain and test my skills. Kudos to Taffy and others for creating a great outdoor park. BTW, I'm out with stitches from a boch landing. It sure was fun taking off...
    Also, this forum is great and civilized. Let it be that way.

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    The biggest trail problem is trash!
    Beer cans, broken beer bottles, Gatorade bottles, powerbar wrappers, dirty disposable diapers, etc. ...WTF?

    Well, I've littered blood on a lot of the trails out there....hehe!

    I know that we're not the only users here....but, Folks....c'mon.
    Pack it in, pack it out!

    Gotta love the rock section!
    Eh stuffen?
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    Hey Darkstar....What am I if I own both an XC and a DH bike?
    bisexual? :-)

    Y "pure XC now, but in the market for a 5+ inch ride" R

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    Kat McPhee ROCKS!

    ............yeah
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    ............yeah
    I agree....
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    I wish I had those pads when I biffed......

    Yeah wifey not too happy w/ me right now. The last hospital visit (which was saturday) put a damper to my love life ... for now. My kids think I'm cool with the stitches but the wife think's I'm a fool!
    Life is good.

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    Hope stitches?

    Quote Originally Posted by stuffen
    with the stitches.
    You have stitches on your thumb?? How does that hurt the luuuv ?


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    *****es....

    That's what I said!

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    I'm pissed!
    Someone removed the rock protruding from the side of the trail just above the first platform......Was clearing it recently, (after a few failed attempts). Well, the protruding root is still there....
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    People here think it is OK since it is private land. We all have equal right to change it to our whimms. I think I am going to add some spikes and tire tears. I have as much right as anyone right?
    I can't wait till they put condos here. Said no one ever.

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    If I read this right, someone cut off a limb hanging over the trail that a skilled rider could duck under. Maybe the person who did that wasn't intending to dumb the trail down, but was night riding and whacked their head on it and saw it as a safety hazard? I know a fair number of folks who will do minor trail work to mitigate apparent safety hazards such as spiky branches that might impale someone...

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    Quote Originally Posted by HarryCallahan
    If I read this right, someone cut off a limb hanging over the trail that a skilled rider could duck under. Maybe the person who did that wasn't intending to dumb the trail down, but was night riding and whacked their head on it and saw it as a safety hazard? I know a fair number of folks who will do minor trail work to mitigate apparent safety hazards such as spiky branches that might impale someone...
    OK, as someone who does a fair bit of trail work (both with official trail groups and just on my own) - this thread seems comical to me - I don't care for dumbing down a trail any more than anybody else - removing rocks, roots etc. is not ok - BUT if I get this right, the original poster is angry about sombody cutting a limb OVER the trail? - you're kidding right? you consider low-hanging branches cool "trail features"? Interesting.....

    I did a big trail day about 4 months ago with CORBA - good-sized crew worked all day, cleared about 1/2 mile of badly overgrown trail (including cutting overhead branches) - I went back last weekend to do more work and the section we had cleared is completely overgrown again - you can't tell anyone did ANY work at all - it was depressing - and sections of the same trail that were cleared with a Sweco (small bobcat-like tractor) to everyone's dismay ("It's been destroyed" they screamed!) are now so overgrown two years later as to require a lot of work again

    Keeping trails open requires a LOT of work - work that is almost ALL volunteer these days of reduced gov't budgets - the moving of the rocks sounds wrong and requires education on dumbing down - but cutting a limb on a tree sounds like needed work to keep trails open - especially after lots of rain like we've had this year, stuff starts growing VERY fast....

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    This wasn't "trail maintenance" this was a large Manzanita branch that added challenge to the trail. Personally I thought it was kind of a hazard but, the whole friggin trail is a hazard---that's was makes it sooo much fun.

    Taffy is, basically in my opinion, a trail building genuis. There is alot of thought and mega back breaking, poison oak laden, physical labor that went into his trails.

    If someone wants to do something out there put down some chicken wire over on the way down to the 36' bridge trail. And STOP brakeing so hard everywhere.
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    Enjoy it!

    Whatever the reasons the trails was modified for....enjoy it. By the sound of it, flightline will soon be regulated. I agree with Barney that this park is a hazzard and it's a blast. BTW, how do you remove poison oak from the trails without making contact with it? I just got over a nasty bout with this ***** and now ready to destroy it!

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    Crappy Pic's

    It would be Cool to have trails like
    this at Flatline................
    Oh yea, watch out for the
    Dinosaurs..................
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    Don't know how to remove it without a **** load of round-up (and don't really think that's environmentally sound), but I think I finally figured out how not to get it.

    Right after the ride rub your arms and legs down with TECNU (or any other type lotion that removes the oil off your skin, any drug/walmart has it) and then wipe off with antibacterial wipes.
    Have not gotten any since I started doing this... knock on cut branches...

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    Thanks for the pics, keep forgetting to take my camera out there

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    Quote Originally Posted by stuffen
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    BTW, how do you remove poison oak from the trails without making contact with it?:
    This may not be something you can do at Flightline, but a gas powered brushcutter works very well. Wear gloves, face and eye protection, and one of those tyvek throwaway suits.

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    Please, please do not cut poison oak! It just exposes the urushiol oil and exposure is more frequent.

    Go to Home Depot and buy Otho Brush-B-Gon...
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    Mudd we need a 40' to 60' cloverleaf intersection ramps in the big sycamore tree area to connect with the dead end trail and 36' bridge. Better yet a spiraling ramps down the two tall trees?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtdbike
    Mudd we need a 40' to 60' cloverleaf intersection ramps in the big sycamore tree area to connect with the dead end trail and 36' bridge. Better yet a spiraling ramps down the two tall trees?
    I agree. We need a way to hook up that trail. I like the corkscrew ramp idea!
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    Since Flightline has gotten so much attention in here it's not surprising to me that this place has become a hot destination and people come here to ride from all over the place. This used to be a trail where the locals hangout. Now word has spread about this place and it shows. More people means more litter on the trails and I noticed some trail damage that rocks that have been placed to stabilize the trail are pushed away, probably from someone that went off the trail and didn't feel like putting the rock back were it was. Kinda sucks, but what can we do, let's enjoy it while we have this place. Let's just all put in the effort to leave the trail the way you found it. That would help a lot. Thanks to "the builder" for the great trail work. In my opinion your trails are friggen awesome, the right balance between challenging and fun riding.

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    i dont want to sound like a jerk but where is this trail?and what kind of riding is it?

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    Poison Trail has been groomed; ie.-brush cut back. Great job!
    Be careful and avoid the poison oak cuttings.

    Guess the Ripper Trail is next?
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    Mudd... you need to start riding in the evenings and then maybe, just maybe, I could actually ride with you! I still don't have a bike or anything, but that's just a sidenote...
    cycle tracks will abound in utopia.

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    Dammit, I got poison oak on my forearms from riding the Poison Trail. I guess long sleeves should be the norm now.

    Coma, sell me your Fox fork.

    I wanna ride after work one of these days. I have a spare bike.
    A hall pass is in order!
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    I finally sold the bike... fork and all. I'm still building up my new ride though (and will be doing so for quite some time!) so i might take you up on the spare bike thing!
    cycle tracks will abound in utopia.

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    Rode up Skyline today and noticed that I wasn't being clotheslined as much as I had been in the past. It was kinda nice to be able to ride instead of getting knocked off the bike by branches like I was in the past.

    There are some unintentional alterations taking place, though, that are just going to get worse. There's lots of 2.3" wide furrows being scraped into the trail. There's no need to skid - it's all about the modulation.

    Damn, that's a fun area!

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    Motorcycles on Saftey Center

    You are right about the certain branches being cut. They were immediate reminders of the kind of trail you would be on. You know the kind that demands your focus puts the emphasis on technique and always ready with a slap on the helmet when you weren't paying attention. But I realize now that if you put forth a trail with those demands some less skilled rider will lower the bar. The majority of effort is currently spent on rectifing the
    2.3" tire tracks you see skidding off corners, going too fast into corners ,skidding through turns and generally going off trail. So your comment on skidding is right on. Tonight I had an encounter with two motorcyclists. Thats right they are much heavier than a bike and have power up the ass to tear a tenuous singletrack and all the little switchbacks a new ---hole. They are very capable of destroying structures made for a bike apart. I made them stop and told them to turn around and get the f king hell out of there. I did explain they were inappropriate for such a trail but they started to continue down so I threatened them with being beaned by a rock. After yelling out that I was on crack they went off the switchback and down Redbull. I tried to nail them but missed. Do you think they got the drift. Those were bigger than those little motor bikes you used to see on the far side where Faraday used to end.They might have been 125's. If I see them again I will not hesitate to confront them again. Hopefully word will get around this is not for motorcycles.

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    Those motorcyclist can sure cause some damage to the trails, especially to the ladder ramps and bridges.
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    Quote Originally Posted by taffy15
    You are right about the certain branches being cut. They were immediate reminders of the kind of trail you would be on. You know the kind that demands your focus puts the emphasis on technique and always ready with a slap on the helmet when you weren't paying attention. But I realize now that if you put forth a trail with those demands some less skilled rider will lower the bar. The majority of effort is currently spent on rectifing the
    2.3" tire tracks you see skidding off corners, going too fast into corners ,skidding through turns and generally going off trail. So your comment on skidding is right on. Tonight I had an encounter with two motorcyclists. Thats right they are much heavier than a bike and have power up the ass to tear a tenuous singletrack and all the little switchbacks a new ---hole. They are very capable of destroying structures made for a bike apart. I made them stop and told them to turn around and get the f king hell out of there. I did explain they were inappropriate for such a trail but they started to continue down so I threatened them with being beaned by a rock. After yelling out that I was on crack they went off the switchback and down Redbull. I tried to nail them but missed. Do you think they got the drift. Those were bigger than those little motor bikes you used to see on the far side where Faraday used to end.They might have been 125's. If I see them again I will not hesitate to confront them again. Hopefully word will get around this is not for motorcycles.
    WTF? 125's?......

    Ya, I agree. The problem with the trails now is the "rutting" caused by riders' skidding going too fast. Keep the speed down, appreciate the obstacles, and always be on the lookout for other trail users, including runners.
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    Thanks for the humor. I need to laugh. Last night was not a good time. But that pic is more like it.

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    Motorcyles.....WTF is wrong with these guys....

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    Quote Originally Posted by taffy15
    Thanks for the humor. I need to laugh. Last night was not a good time. But that pic is more like it.
    You should of rerouted them down the surfboard trail. Would of been a kick watching them launch off the turn ramps!

    That new XXXXXX-XXXXXX looks fun!
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    I'll probably take some heat for this, but I can see the motorcycle guys perspsective. I used to ride, and in fact, did so in San Diego County. I did a lot of riding up around Carlsbad, at places that are now subdivisions, but not so far from Flightline.

    Isn't the whole area somewhat illicit? I understand not wanting the trails torn up or the area shut down...

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    flightline waterfall

    Anyone trek down to the waterfall or the creek below the D-trail? I wonder if a trail can be created. Sounds tempting....

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    Nice teeter totter but the location is right next a cactus patch.

    Who kidnapped my pink flamingos?

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    Teeter Toter

    Exactly. Ouch

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    Taking heat

    They were on motorcycles trying to ride on trails they couldn't even make turns on because they are so small. The ladders and chicken wire are barely sustainable for mtn bikes. I will grant you there are no signs stating no motorized vehicles. But they know common sense tells them those trails are not made with them in mind. That is why it is the first time this has happened. Hopefully they got the point and will go ride trails suitable for the horse power. Those trails are too frail for that sort of use. If you are a serious mtn biker than you will also hope they find a different place to ride. You are absolutely right about motorcycles riding Carlsbad in the past but this is now and we don't have the run of it also. THE BIG POINT IS WHO PUT THE EFFORT TO MAKE IT RIDABLE? Those aren't trails created by a group of motorcyclists. Those trails were made by a group of mtn bike elves when they weren't making toys for Santa.

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    Good job on T8 ladder II, much better than the old broken T8 ladder.

    Taffy did you ever find the new pyramid rock?

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    Pyramid Rock ?

    I guess the answer is no. Donde and whats the scoop on it? Did the ride from Sherman pass down the Cannel Plunge. Will have to tell you about it next time I see you.

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    The pink area on the map, need some roller coaster ladder works through the deep ruts after the rock.
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    Pyramid Rock

    Will look for it in the am. I love the red trail you have crossing the geo cache trail and continuing west. Wow is that wishful thinking. Too hot, too many snakes, too many knats, probably too much po, and definitely not enough help. In other words not any time soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtdbike
    The pink area on the map, need some roller coaster ladder works through the deep ruts after the rock.
    Would like to complete the other red trail so we could ride Sycamore from west to east w/o hiking the bike uphill.... Dang poison oak.
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    >Dang poison oak.
    Haha. Yeah. thats a trail your going to want to keep well groomed. Rode down to the dead end with some friends a week or 2 back and both of them were breaking out for a few days after.

    I noticed some one started beating a trail down to the creek on the side close to the construction. Any plans to build a trail through the trees down the creekside? I, my truck, and my wallet would be willing to help with that.


    CA

    For the record, I've got hiking professional trail building experience. (resume: see Little Si trail in North Bend WA)

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    Sycamore West to East

    In other words ride it up hill. Hopefully the lines that sycamore takes going downhill will be modified on a way back up ie on the dead end trail. most of the dead end trail is ok but then it starts to become impatient and starts taking a course downhill that mimics sycamore. That means it will not be rideable up hill. I have surveyed the area and have some thoughts on it. The weather is a big issue now that it is so hot. Plus this is snake season and the brush is not always friendly. But the connection is all but there. It can be done and with alittle imagination it could be a great extension. I see a ladder bridge with a banked turn coming into it.............

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    Quote Originally Posted by taffy15
    In other words ride it up hill. Hopefully the lines that sycamore takes going downhill will be modified on a way back up ie on the dead end trail. most of the dead end trail is ok but then it starts to become impatient and starts taking a course downhill that mimics sycamore. That means it will not be rideable up hill. I have surveyed the area and have some thoughts on it. The weather is a big issue now that it is so hot. Plus this is snake season and the brush is not always friendly. But the connection is all but there. It can be done and with alittle imagination it could be a great extension. I see a ladder bridge with a banked turn coming into it.............
    Sounds like we are on the same page.....RockStar and I discussed the course of the dead end trail a while back. We came to the conclusion that the switchbacks should be made more do-able by extending the trail a bit. We will wait 'till snake season is over before attempting to work on it again. The ladder bridge is a great idea, but it needs to come out near the sycamore tree in order to make the trail truly rideable uphill. The poison oak is a huge factor there. Stay tuned...
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    Hey Downhilljill

    Hey Jill, good to meet you on the f-line! (I'm the one on the Nomad.)
    Was a better ride today then it was yesterday for sure.
    Great looking white Haro! See you out there. Enjoy...
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    What is this, MTB E-Harmony.com (great looking white Haro?)

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    That is a real pretty white Haro. I love the fork too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mudd
    Hey Jill, good to meet you on the f-line! (I'm the one on the Nomad.)
    Was a better ride today then it was yesterday for sure.
    Great looking white Haro! See you out there. Enjoy...
    Hey Mudd!

    It was good to meet you and all your friends, too! Yes, the cloudcover was sure nice; hopefully we'll get a little relief tomorrow. I'm glad you like the bike...it's our new FS bike. It sure rides nice. See ya'll out there!

    Jill

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    What Haro model is that?

    It was miserable out there today.
    But you know what they say: "Whatever doesn't kill you only makes you stronger!"

    Watch out for "T-Bone" and his "posse"! If you can't see him, you'll hear him!
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    It's our new 6.5" travel bike based on the same technology as the Sonix we released this year. Totally fun bike out there.

    I didn't think today was too bad actually. Yeah, it was hot, but I didn't think it was as bad as Monday was. Monday was miserable.

    T-Bone? Hmmmm...don't think I've seen/heard him. Who's he?

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    T-Bone = Loud, crazy BMX-ish fast rider wearing a grey helmet.
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