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    Double Peak Trail Sabotage

    Went riding with a pal at Double Peak yesterday evening. Found two intentionally placed obstructions, one just around a blind turn on "secret trail". Keep an eye out, or better yet, keep your cell phone handy and video somebody putting these things in the trail and report them. I'll post pictures of said obstructions shortly.

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    I hate people and would love to catch someone doing this. That could be some major pain for someone on that last picture. I ride up there quite a bit so keep us updated if you see more and I will do the same.

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    Just rode this trail a couple hours ago and it was sabotaged again. They added a bunch of 4" branches 2 feet off the ground in multiple locations.

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    Looks like fun obstacles. Sounds like a good time to plan a huge group ride...

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    Any thoughts on whether alerting the ranger would be productive?

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    Assuming all of the trails are legal for bikes I think you should alert the Ranger and show pictures to demonstrate the sabotage. Maybe the Ranger will catch someone in the act.

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    In my experience alerting rangers can sometimes be counter productive. Increased reports of user conflict often end up panning out poorly for bikers even if we are not at fault. In this case however it is probably a good idea to present photos to the authorities. A well placed game camera would certainly catch the saboteur.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sandmangts View Post
    In my experience alerting rangers can sometimes be counter productive. Increased reports of user conflict often end up panning out poorly for bikers even if we are not at fault. In this case however it is probably a good idea to present photos to the authorities. A well placed game camera would certainly catch the saboteur.
    This is a great post. Insightful comment on negative user interactions and genius idea on the game camera.

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    How much is a game camera? I may go buy one myself and put it out there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salespunk View Post
    How much is a game camera? I may go buy one myself and put it out there.
    This'll give you just a taste of what is out there.

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    Santiago Oaks used to have some issues. With the dedicated help of the rangers and the local biking community we caught 'um! It was pretty cool with everyone coming together to stop it.
    The same happened in NorCal. Some of the sabotage was outright deadly. The guy went to jail.
    I believe cameras were used in both instances.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skiermike View Post
    This is a great post. Insightful comment on negative user interactions and genius idea on the game camera.
    Thanks but I can hardly take credit for the game camera idea. Just taking a play from the DFG and rangers playbook on that one.
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    These are my home trails and ride them frequently at night. I was out last night around 5 and saw more of the same. Oddly enough, there wasn't any other sabotage on the nearby trails.... I believe the head Ranger's name is Ron and he's very friendly to cyclists as he patrols the trails on a MTB. It would be wise to bring him in the loop as Secret is a legal trail and it's not just MTB'rs at risk...

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    Riding the Secret trail a couple of weeks ago I found someone had done the same thing (see pics). So I pedaled up to the Ranger's showed him the pics and explained that this has been happening for some time and it it dangerous for MTBers. He said he would "be on the look"
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    Almost makes me wonder if old Mike V. has decided to move to the South-land....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray Raton View Post
    Almost makes me wonder if old Mike V. has decided to move to the South-land....
    Nah, Mike likes handsaws. This is just one of his followers. Looks like he stepped up his game. The attempts in the first photos were pretty weak. Next thing you know there will be wires across the trail and then maybe some boards with nails in them. Lets hope the ranger finds this person and has them permanently banned from all trails.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sandmangts View Post
    Nah, Mike likes handsaws. This is just one of his followers. Looks like he stepped up his game. The attempts in the first photos were pretty weak. Next thing you know there will be wires across the trail and then maybe some boards with nails in them. Lets hope the ranger finds this person and has them permanently banned from all trails.
    Oh, that's right! Yet another psychology professional with "anger issues"!

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    Quote Originally Posted by sandmangts View Post
    Nah, Mike likes handsaws. This is just one of his followers. Looks like he stepped up his game. The attempts in the first photos were pretty weak. Next thing you know there will be wires across the trail and then maybe some boards with nails in them. Lets hope the ranger finds this person and has them permanently banned from all trails.
    NO.

    I will be damned if I let that happen to my LEGAL home trails. I'll gladly take time off work to stake out/patrol these trails to bring the culprit to light.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bjammin View Post
    NO.

    I will be damned if I let that happen to my LEGAL home trails. I'll gladly take time off work to stake out/patrol these trails to bring the culprit to light.
    Good for you. I am ashamed to say that although I live in San Marcos I have not ridden this trail yet. La Costa preserve is right out my back door and I usually try to avoid driving. I plan to head out there this week and see if I can ride to the trail without having to drive. Now that we know what this individual is doing there are a few things we can look for. A hiker with dirty or dusty hands, feet, clothing or other signs of moving heavy rocks about. This person is most likely a male based on the size of some of the rocks although I would not rule out a female. It would be a good idea to try to determine when the sabotage is occurring. It is probably a local resident with an axe to grind. Sure would be nice to catch them in the act and get them banned from the trail.
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    Sucks this is happening. Can you make lemonade out of lemons by throwing some dirt on it and making some jumps?
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    Quote Originally Posted by sandmangts View Post
    Good for you. I am ashamed to say that although I live in San Marcos I have not ridden this trail yet. La Costa preserve is right out my back door and I usually try to avoid driving. I plan to head out there this week and see if I can ride to the trail without having to drive. Now that we know what this individual is doing there are a few things we can look for. A hiker with dirty or dusty hands, feet, clothing or other signs of moving heavy rocks about. This person is most likely a male based on the size of some of the rocks although I would not rule out a female. It would be a good idea to try to determine when the sabotage is occurring. It is probably a local resident with an axe to grind. Sure would be nice to catch them in the act and get them banned from the trail.
    Where's the trailhead for this trail system? May try to ride out there this week from my house.

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    Is this the shuttle run from the top to the bottom? I have not ridden out there in a while.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sandmangts View Post
    Good for you. I am ashamed to say that although I live in San Marcos I have not ridden this trail yet. La Costa preserve is right out my back door and I usually try to avoid driving. I plan to head out there this week and see if I can ride to the trail without having to drive. Now that we know what this individual is doing there are a few things we can look for. A hiker with dirty or dusty hands, feet, clothing or other signs of moving heavy rocks about. This person is most likely a male based on the size of some of the rocks although I would not rule out a female. It would be a good idea to try to determine when the sabotage is occurring. It is probably a local resident with an axe to grind. Sure would be nice to catch them in the act and get them banned from the trail.
    If you want me to show you how to connect La Costa with Double Peak let me know. There is some pavement involved, but it can be minimized. You can actually connect La Costa with Elfin through Double Peak as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gouda Cheez View Post
    Where's the trailhead for this trail system? May try to ride out there this week from my house.
    I found more 10 days ago (Oct. 22nd) on the Double Peak Upper Single Track (at least that's what I think the trail is called). The trailhead is about 3/4 of the way up Double Peak Drive and pops out near the fire station.

    There were three different areas where rocks were piled up. One at the beginning on a faster, slightly downhill section, and two more in the middle of blind corners. I removed all the rocks and tossed them down the hill a bit so they could not be reused. I'll keep an eye out for any more sabotage, and will let you guys know if I find any.

    I'm a long time roadie who just recently started riding in the dirt. This is my local trail, just minutes from where I live. It really sucks to see this, I hope this isn't a normal thing...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salespunk View Post
    If you want me to show you how to connect La Costa with Double Peak let me know. There is some pavement involved, but it can be minimized. You can actually connect La Costa with Elfin through Double Peak as well.
    I think I am actually closer to the Double Peak trailhead from my house vs. going to La Costa over to DP. I am a relatively new MTB rider and am always looking for places I can ride near my house (Rancho Santa Fe and Melrose area).

    Is the trailhead up near the park or the firehouse on Twin Oaks?

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    Quote Originally Posted by badkittyjing View Post
    Sucks this is happening. Can you make lemonade out of lemons by throwing some dirt on it and making some jumps?
    I thought of that too. Just bring a folding shovel and voila. But of course then they would complain that those crazy bikers are making illegal jumps and they would want us kicked out. Maybe we should put up a sign telling the saboteur that all he has done is brought publicity to the trail. Now as a result more riders are interested in riding there including me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gouda Cheez View Post
    I think I am actually closer to the Double Peak trailhead from my house vs. going to La Costa over to DP. I am a relatively new MTB rider and am always looking for places I can ride near my house (Rancho Santa Fe and Melrose area).

    Is the trailhead up near the park or the firehouse on Twin Oaks?
    You are closer to La Costa. There is an entrance to the fire road off RSF Rd. The better entrance is off Camino Junipero. If you are on Strava look me up under the same screen name and I will add you so you can see the trails I ride.

    Double Peak can be accessed either from the park at the top through Secret Trail or the always scary/fun World Cup. In addition you can start from behind the fire station or the parking area down the street. There are a lot of hidden single tracks out there so keep you eyes open if you don't know where they are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mudd View Post

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    There are a lot of hidden/unmarked trails over there. If you want a tour Mudd send me a PM. I know you are OG. BTW Make a wish has a cool little segment that rolls into another 1-1.5 miles of singletrack. A few pics for you.





    BTW this section has been sabotaged several times as well. Started 6 months ago.

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    Double Peak Trail Sabotage

    Rode Copper Creek this morning on my way over to Whiptail and Horned Lizard. Great connector... but damn it's tight through there.

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    Rode Discovery late this afternoon. More rocks placed periodically on Secret Trail.

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    Rode there this weekend, no sign of sabotage but I was scolded by a hiker. I saw this lady coming on secret trail so I stopped and let her pass. She then said "You bikers should not be using this trail, it is to dangerous" I told her bikers built the trail (although I am not sure if that is correct) and that she should just say thank you and that is she does not like sharing there are plenty of fire roads for her to walk on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sandmangts View Post
    Rode there this weekend, no sign of sabotage but I was scolded by a hiker. I saw this lady coming on secret trail so I stopped and let her pass. She then said "You bikers should not be using this trail, it is to dangerous" I told her bikers built the trail (although I am not sure if that is correct) and that she should just say thank you and that is she does not like sharing there are plenty of fire roads for her to walk on.
    Well done SM...well done.
    BTW>>> what did she look like? There's one specific hag that insists on hiking (walking) that area with headphones in both ears. Can't get much more stupid.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by sandmangts View Post
    Rode there this weekend, no sign of sabotage but I was scolded by a hiker. I saw this lady coming on secret trail so I stopped and let her pass. She then said "You bikers should not be using this trail, it is to dangerous" I told her bikers built the trail (although I am not sure if that is correct) and that she should just say thank you and that is she does not like sharing there are plenty of fire roads for her to walk on.
    wow, some people are truly idiots.
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    She was mid 50's. Kinda crusty looking, khaki hiking pants, no headphones, grey hair wearing a khaki mesh hat. I did meet 2 other hikers that were quite courteous and friendly. The trail was heavily eroded down close to the bottom but the upper half was dry enough to ride. I rode up from lake San Marcos.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sandmangts View Post
    She was mid 50's. Kinda crusty looking, khaki hiking pants, no headphones, grey hair wearing a khaki mesh hat. I did meet 2 other hikers that were quite courteous and friendly. The trail was heavily eroded down close to the bottom but the upper half was dry enough to ride. I rode up from lake San Marcos.
    shoes or 4x4 sandals?

    Sounds exactly like Joyce, same tactics and all.

    If she wears 4x4 sandals (you know, the off road kind, not flip flops) and she loses her tempter/goes on crazy rants if you try to speak with her, it may be her. If it is, she's been asked to leave (by the rangers) one controversial area already but she insists she's right and has since been back... despite the closures.

    Beware, she's not armed but she's dangerous for trail access.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klurejr View Post
    wow, some people are truly idiots.
    Some people. Then again, some people are emotionally damaged adults, often with above-average intelligence, but their 'broken ' mental state pushes them to externalize their inner fears, self-loathing, etc. upon others.
    Not that I'm sticking up for the old *****. Far from it.

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    Not sure about the shoes, she started mouthing off after I made my just say thanks comment but I was too busy getting on with enjoying my ride to catch what she was saying. It's not worth engaging morons like that, besides nothing I say could make her life any more ****ty than it already is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sandmangts View Post
    besides nothing i say could make her life any more ****ty than it already is.
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