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    Chariot Fire Grows to 4,700 Acres

    Noble Canyon in line of fire. Really hope that they get it under control.

    "The fire is well established on the west side of Sunrise Highway"


    Chariot Fire Grows to 4,700 Acres - Local News - San Diego, CA | NBC News


    I guess some bright point about it burning up and over Chariot Mountain is the PCT will get cleaned out nicely, as it's been really overgrown.

    I have a feeling the camping area at the bottom of Oriflamme Canyon has been roasted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Howeler View Post
    Noble Canyon in line of fire. Really hope that they get it under control.

    "The fire is well established on the west side of Sunrise Highway"


    Chariot Fire Grows to 4,700 Acres - Local News - San Diego, CA | NBC News


    I guess some bright point about it burning up and over Chariot Mountain is the PCT will get cleaned out nicely, as it's been really overgrown.

    I have a feeling the camping area at the bottom of Oriflamme Canyon has been roasted.

    It's most unfortunate to find out that the historic Al Bahr and Sierra Club lodges were burned, but they seem to holding the rest of the forest safe. Fingers crossed, and thanks for starting this thread. Lagunas are my favorite riding destination in SD county.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray Raton View Post
    It's most unfortunate to find out that the historic Al Bahr and Sierra Club lodges were burned, but they seem to holding the rest of the forest safe. Fingers crossed, and thanks for starting this thread. Lagunas are my favorite riding destination in SD county.
    You only "say" that on the internets...we want undeniable video proof this time from at least 5 credible witnesses unrelated to you! No slightly blurry images either like your last Big Foot sighting at MTRP!

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    I'm in from out of town and rode up there Saturday. I started on Sunrise Highway to the south of the big meadow by way of Los Gatos, then the upper end of Noble Canyon. On the way back past the lake, the smoke was visible. This was some where around 2PM. When I came down the mountain they had traffic closed coming up.

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    Those trails were a lot of fun, I hope the fire gets put out quickly and damage is minimized.

    PS. I also saw a guy riding with two parrots on his shoulders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Al. View Post
    I'm in from out of town and rode up there Saturday. I started on Sunrise Highway to the south of the big meadow by way of Los Gatos, then the upper end of Noble Canyon. On the way back past the lake, the smoke was visible. This was some where around 2PM. When I came down the mountain they had traffic closed coming up.

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    Those trails were a lot of fun, I hope the fire gets put out quickly and damage is minimized.

    PS. I also saw a guy riding with two parrots on his shoulders.
    The guy had a cockatoo on the right shoulder and a parrot on his left going down Los Gatos Sunday
    Pretty cool to see
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    ^^^Hopefully, that was not a sighting that foretells the End Times for BLT and environs. I know the trees are dying anyway, but dammit, I LOVE that place!
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    Rite!? Favorite MTB playground in all of greater SD. Just did a 4 day at the Laguna camp ground last month. Gona be depressed if that was my goodbye to those trails.
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    Sounds like the firefighters are getting the upper hand, and there's a chance of rain for the next few days with the wind shifting back against the fire's advance. Hopefully no lightning.

    Very sad about the Al Bahr lodge & other buildings burning down.

    I wish I could see a satellite image of the burn area. There are trails to the north of BLT & upper Noble that I'm curious about.
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    Fire is 40% contained, per Cal Fire Captain Mike Mohler.

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    Looks like it missed all of the trails except the Perfect Cycling Trail.
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    Noble has burned before, within the last decade. So, not too much fuel to burn on upper Noble Canyon trail.
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    Quote Originally Posted by random walk View Post
    Looks like it missed all of the trails except the Perfect Cycling Trail.
    -Which should make it even more perfect......for cycling.
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    Report: Officer?s truck likely cause of Chariot fire | UTSanDiego.com

    Not sure how BLM thinks they can withhold their own report just by calling it "unreleasable"

    An officer with the Bureau of Land Management is suspected of accidentally starting last summer’s Chariot fire in East County’s Laguna Mountains, state fire officials say in a report released Thursday to U-T San Diego.

    The fire consumed more than 7,000 acres and 149 structures in the Cleveland National Forest, including much of the historic Al Bahr Shriner’s camp.

    The state report says the fire probably started when brush got caught in the undercarriage of a Jeep driven by BLM field Officer Jason Peters as he drove along the desert floor. It mentions another possibility — that a pickup truck spotted in the area that afternoon may have been the cause — but says no additional evidence was found to support that theory.

    Peters — who initially said he didn’t arrive on the scene until after the blaze began — has refused to cooperate with investigators since the early days of the investigation, the report said.

    The BLM conducted its own investigation into the incident, but is refusing to release the results. A BLM spokesman declined to comment Thursday on Peters’ status with the federal agency.

    The most destructive wildfire in the county last year, the Chariot fire began July 6 and burned for more than a week before it was extinguished July 15. Almost all of the damage was done within a few hours on July 8 in the Shriner’s camp when the fire swept up a canyon and crossed Sunrise Highway.

    The Shriners have already filed claims against the BLM based on the group’s own investigation, which concluded that Peters accidentally started the fire, and then apparently tried to conceal his involvement.

    In a statement released Thursday, Shriner’s leader George Geanoulis said, “We all know that no information will restore our beloved camp, historic buildings, cherished homes and lost memories, but this … report will help us and our legal advisers navigate the future and what it may hold for Al Bahr Shrine Camp.”

    The 318-page Cal Fire report, prepared by Capt. Kelly Gallaher, said the agency explored all possible causes of the fire, and eliminated all but two. A couple witnesses saw a pickup truck in the desert that day, but no further information could be developed about the truck or its occupant and no evidence was found indicating it was responsible.

    The report suggests the more likely scenario is that “the fire originated from the vehicle driven by Jason Peters going through tall brush, either dropping burning brush into a receptive fuel bed, or a potential failed fuel line spreading fire on a receptive fuel bed.”

    The document describes Peters under a section titled “suspect.”

    The ramifications of the findings could be costly to the BLM. Damage caused to the Shriner’s camp was massive — in the millions of dollars — and the cost of fighting the fire, which began July 6 and wasn’t extinguished until July 15, exceeded $10 million for which the state could seek reimbursement.

    The report details how Peters Jeep caught on fire in the parking lot of the Butterfield Ranch Campground the afternoon of July 6. Peters’ initial incident report is included in the Cal Fire report. In it, he says he saw smoke in the distance and went to investigate, at times driving over heavy brush. He then drove to the Butterfield Ranch store, parked his Jeep and went inside leaving the vehicle idling. When he came back outside his Jeep was on fire.

    BLM Public Affairs Specialist Martha Maciel issued a statement Thursday evening that said:

    “The Bureau of Land Management has been cooperating with Cal Fire on their investigation of the Chariot Fire and we appreciate their work in completing this complex investigation. We are reviewing the investigation report and working with the U.S. Department of Justice to establish a path forward. As a land management agency, one of our highest priorities is protecting human safety, property and resources and we will adhere to our core values of public service, integrity and accountability in any actions taken.”

    She said by phone that the BLM couldn’t comment on its own internal investigation “concerning matters that are not releasable.”

    The report says photographic and other evidence shows that the fire began in four separate areas on the desert floor separated by hundreds of feet. Three of the fires eventually burned together to create the Chariot fire.

    On Tuesday, Cal Fire Director Ken Pimlott, who was in San Diego for a wildfire awareness week news conference, said the BLM has cooperated fully with his department but that Peters, upon the advice of his attorney, “has not been made available to us.”

    He said the results of the investigation will be presented to the appropriate authorities. “There are other processes going on on the federal side,” Pimlott said. “We are moving forward.”

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    ^^ How many local BLM and CDFW occifers are named Jason, anyways? Seems like a lot.
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