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    Cannel Plunge 06

    Well, here we go again guys. It's getting close to the time where the pass will be open and that means a screaming descent down the Plunge. Last year we had a great group of guys do this awesome ride and most asked me to lead the way in setting it up again this year.

    We won't have to reserve campsites as there will be plenty available. <b>The dates are June 24/25.</b> We will be doing Just Outsatnding and will have to work out or own shuttle situation. The camping can be real cheap if we pair up in the sites. We can have 3 vehicles per site with 6 people at 30 dollars a night so for two nights it works out to 10 each if we fill the sites.Little more or little less, but very affordable.
    We have a thread started at www.socaltrailriders.com already, and we have 5 or 6 already committed. I'll post on a few more boards and will see what happens.

    Anybody coming from last year, give a shout.
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    Regarding the other site, i think you mean socaltrailriders.org not .com

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    I have always wanted to do this ride, count me in.
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    Here's the exact thread for those who are interested.
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    Me go too...oh wait I'm a roadie now....never mind.

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    Aw come on out Mark, we don't mind a little lycra.
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    It's getting closer and it looks like we have about 20+ riders going. This is gonna be a blast!
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    Another ride the 17th

    If you can't make this ride some of us are going on the 17th. See this thread: Cannell Plunge time!

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    Hey there Wolfy, is the plunge open yet?

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    Don't know yet

    Quote Originally Posted by Bradtree
    Hey there Wolfy, is the plunge open yet?
    They said it would be open by the 10th. I was planning on calling the shuttle company on the 9th for an update.

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    Sherman Pass

    I went in to the local forest service office last Friday and they wouldn't give me any kind of estimate. They said some time in June. The person at the front desk was just repeating what she was told and no one in the office really knew the exact status of the Pass. I can tell you that I was up at 8900' on Memorial day and there was a solid 5 feet of snow still on the ground. Since then the temps here have been below normal until two days ago. The river flow had dropped by 50% so the snow melt really slowed down. It has warmed back up in the last few days and the river is back up to where it was. That means there is still a lot of snow up there. I just don't know where the snow line is. I would be surprised if the Pass opens this weekend and I would guess that the 17th is not for sure. I will try to dig for more info.

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    Anyone driving up from San Diego?
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    Mike! glad to hear you are going to cannell again and that my name is on the list (even after you met me personally ; ) I would love to go but those dates do not work for me. I am planning on going in august if I can make it happen. I know jfsh is the man up there, so hopefully I can contact him if I go. When are we going to plan a ride in the san gabriels? too late for that already with the heat? A buddy and I would love to come down and hammer with you for a few hours on your fave trails, but with kids and fam-damily to schedule around I just need a bit of notice to obtain the hall pass. We can easily make it a day trip and come down early one saturday or sunday so just let me know. ANYTIME you want to come to SB-land and ride, let me know - it is well worth it. que la vaya bien amigo, -wells

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    heard from good source that OHV at Troy meadows as such will open 29 June!
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    Sherman pass update

    I went into the local office again today and they had some good news and some bad news. The gate is still closed and the pass will not be open this weekend. She did say that it would be open soon. Apparently they plowed part of the road and have one lane clear all the way to and over the pass. There are parts of the other lane where the snow has turned so dense that the plow can't do anything with it. They are in the process of getting some kind of heavy equipment up there to bust out those spots. She sounded like they would have this done soon. I'm not exactly sure what soon means. By the way the OHV area at Troy Meadows is open now. You just have to get there from the 395 side.

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    Thanks!

    Thanks for the update. So the 17th seems likely?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jfsh
    ... The gate is still closed ... one lane clear all the way to and over the pass... .
    Thanks for all this Jeff.
    This kinda thing happened to me like 6 years ago, what MRA did was turn-off just before the gate and takes us down into the Horse Meadow (or is it Troy?) campground area to start the ride. This takes off a few miles of the upper trail and is maybe 1000' lower, I'm not sure exactly.
    Four years ago the pass was open, but there was A LOT of snow, tried riding, but was extremely difficult so we ended up pushing the bikes through snow drifts for a few miles and got wet/cold feet, really a bummer for the rest of the ride. If it's like that I'd rather have them drop me off at the lower elevation/campgrounds...

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    It's a go!

    Just got off the phone with the shuttle company and they are shuttling to Sherman Pass tomorrow. The gate is closed but they have the lock combination and permission to shuttle. The gate may even be open to the public by next week anyway. Might be a bit slushy for a bit but they expect the trails to be great!

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    Quote Originally Posted by EMFC
    Anyone driving up from San Diego?
    I'm considering it ... anyone else beside EMFC and I down here in San Diego?

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    trail conditions

    I road the Cannel trail today from Big Meadow down. It looks like this winter was pretty hard on it. It is more rutted and rocky than it was last year. Some of the switchbacks at the bottom have gotten more difficult. It was pretty sandy and dry on the lower section as well (more so than I expected). The upper part of the trail from big meadow down was great as usual. We topped out around 8700' and saw no signs of snow anywhere. With a little work the trail will be right back to where it was last Fall.

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    Sherman Pass

    Did Sherman Pass all the way down. The top was littered with fallen trees and lots of patches of snow in the shade of the trees. Little streams pervaded everywhere as well as flowing along the trail. Constant off the bike until the drop down to big meadow. Yeah the plunge itself was very loose-sandy. The meadows had swampy like boggs in places but doable. Overall conditions by the 17th should be pretty good. The top off sherman will be whoopty-do heaven with out the snow patches. Of course wait till you see the Kern just going off the charts.

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    Thanks guys

    I pretty much can't make those gnarly switchbacks at the bottom anyway. And I've always found the Plunge to be pretty sandy. Sounds like it will be fun!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jfsh
    .. winter was pretty hard on it... more rutted and rocky.. switchbacks at the bottom .. more difficult. .. 8700' and saw no signs of snow...
    Quote Originally Posted by taffy15
    .. top was littered with fallen trees and lots of patches of snow in the shade.. streams .. everywhere ..meadows had swampy like boggs ... wait till you see the Kern...
    Thanks for the updates!

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    Three to four in my group

    Quote Originally Posted by ET_SoCal
    Wolfie: How many bodies on this expedition?
    Definites so far are me, Plim and CrashDang. All staying at the Lake Isabella Motel. But CrashDang may be bringing one more. How many you got?

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    Please post back with a ride report.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wherewolf
    .. me, Plim and CrashDang... at the Lake Isabella Motel...CrashDang may be bringing one more. How many you got?
    Two of us, we have room at the campground if anyone needs, not sure about MRA shuttle open spots for Saturday tho...

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    Photos and video

    Quote Originally Posted by Pain Freak
    Please post back with a ride report.
    If the guys stick with me I'll have photos and a video.

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    Friday, June 16th

    Don't suppose anyone else will be doing Cannell tomorrow (Friday, June 16th)? My family's weekend plans have finally firmed up and I'm free on Friday. I'll be starting from the bottom Cannell trailhead; not sure if I'll do the whole loop (Sherman Pass) or take Cherry Hill Rd. over to Big Meadow. Left to my own devices, I'll probably start between 6:30 and 7 am. But if someone else could make it that day, I can shift the time to match theirs (whether they want to do the loop too, or, if they are shuttling, we could arrange a time to meet at Sherman Pass, or Big Meadow I suppose, but if you're shuttling you should definitely do the whole thing).

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    Just curious what the temperatures are like at this time?

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    Great!

    Quote Originally Posted by munkyspank
    Just curious what the temperatures are like at this time?
    The temperatures will probably be about perfect for most of the ride, 70's. Might be slightly cool at the drop-off, and toward the bottom of the Plunge it will start warming up until it hits the mid to upper 90's on the road back into town.

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    Trails in great shape!

    Except for 12 - 15 downed trees, mostly on the upper trail, the trails are in great shape! Not as much sand as usual and the few small spots of snow will be gone next week. Mosquitoes were worst ever and it hit 102 degrees by about half way down the Plunge. So bring lots of water! Photos here: Cannell Trail/Plunge, CA pics

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    Warning! New trail update

    I just received a nasty PM from someone who rode the Plunge the same day as I did and he (I won't reveal his name to save him embarrassment) was upset that I said the trails were in good shape. He seemed particularly upset that there were ruts and sand on the trail and that meant it could not be in good shape. Apparently that makes me "goofy".

    I politely informed him that this was my 10th time riding the Plunge and it was in great shape compared to the previous rides. And that was about the least sand I've ever seen on it. I also informed him it is called mountain biking, not road biking. And that if he didn't like sand and ruts then he should stick to the roads. That's not a slam on road riding, roads generally don't have sand and ruts.

    Obviously "great" is a subjective term so I apologize. In the interest of full disclosure the Cannell Trail/Plunge may have one or more of the following: deep sand/DG, many narrow rutted spots, steep drop-offs (hundreds of feet), a lot of dust, rocks, roots, mud and muck (yuck), motorcycle damage, downed trees, mosquitoes, several difficult climbs and descents, difficult switchbacks, lowered oxygen levels due to altitude, cow patties and probably many other hazards I can't think of right now. And by the way it is not air conditioned and the temperatures are likely to exceed 100 degrees in the summer.

    That being said, in my opinion "the trails are in great shape!"

    I may be goofy, as he claimed, and I am certainly not a very good rider. But better to be goofy than a whiny pu$$y. So I'll be returning to those nasty trails a few more times this year.
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    Thanks for the update, now that I understand the full extend of the hazards and obstacles I can't wait to get on that trail! I will be riding it this Sunday! One question, is there anywhere a water refill opportunity on the way down, I hate to run out of water. I have a 2 liter Camelbak. Thanks!

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    Take more water!

    Quote Originally Posted by REIGN 2
    One question, is there anywhere a water refill opportunity on the way down, I hate to run out of water. I have a 2 liter Camelbak. Thanks!
    Take more water! There is supposed to be a spring along the way but I've heard some people have gotten sick from it. In 10 rides I've never seen any drinkable water. But I always take 150 oz (4.4 liters) of liquid, and 50 oz of that is Cytomax. So I don't worry about it. If you don't find it you will be in big trouble.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wherewolf
    Take more water! There is supposed to be a spring along the way but I've heard some people have gotten sick from it. In 10 rides I've never seen any drinkable water. But I always take 150 oz (4.4 liters) of liquid, and 50 oz of that is Cytomax. So I don't worry about it. If you don't find it you will be in big trouble.
    Thanks, I'll take your advice and get a larger Camelbak.

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    Trail condition/water/etc.

    Just to second Wherewolf's opinion of the current trail conditions - other than the downed trees in the upper part, a few tiny patches of snow, and a bit more mud than usual, the Cannell Trail is in pretty typical shape. And it is a great trail.

    I had a good ride on Friday. It sounds like Sat. was hotter than Fri. On Friday, the heat wasn't a problem at all despite an hour later start than I usually get. The ride up the river was very pleasant. It was a little warm starting up the climb to Sherman Pass, but before long I was high enough that it was pleasant again. I actually got pretty chilled when I took a half-hour lunch break at Sherman Pass. It was hot (~100) at the bottom of the Plunge at the end of the ride, but going downhill, it doesn't matter much.

    As far as water sources: if you are willing to filter (or otherwise treat) there are a number of streams from which to get water. I wouldn't drink any from any of them straight.

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    Don't sweat the PM Weirwolf. What's one mans obstacle is a mountain bikers challenge. I'm always suprized by some of these people who claim the trails to be in less then perfect shape, due to some hardships. That's why we ride! Not because it's easy, but because we triumph over these challenges. Personally I think they should just leave it alone, let nature take it's course. We will find a way over them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wherewolf
    I just received a nasty PM from someone who rode the Plunge the same day as I did and he (I won't reveal his name to save him embarrassment) was upset that I said the trails were in good shape. He seemed particularly upset that there were ruts and sand on the trail and that meant it could not be in good shape. Apparently that makes me "goofy".

    I politely informed him that this was my 10th time riding the Plunge and it was in great shape compared to the previous rides. And that was about the least sand I've ever seen on it. I also informed him it is called mountain biking, not road biking. And that if he didn't like sand and ruts then he should stick to the roads. That's not a slam on road riding, roads generally don't have sand and ruts.

    Obviously "great" is a subjective term so I apologize. In the interest of full disclosure the Cannell Trail/Plunge may have one or more of the following: deep sand/DG, many narrow rutted spots, steep drop-offs (hundreds of feet), a lot of dust, rocks, roots, mud and muck (yuck), motorcycle damage, downed trees, mosquitoes, several difficult climbs and descents, difficult switchbacks, lowered oxygen levels due to altitude, cow patties and probably many other hazards I can't think of right now. And by the way it is not air conditioned and the temperatures are likely to exceed 100 degrees in the summer.

    That being said, in my opinion "the trails are in great shape!"

    I may be goofy, as he claimed, and I am certainly not a very good rider. But better to be goofy than a whiny pu$$y. So I'll be returning to those nasty trails a few more times this year.
    what a goon to have sent you that stupid private message...did not want to air out his ridiculous attitude...thanks for posting about it...like to have more evidence that there are a whole bunch of goons riding bikes unfortunately
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    funny stuff snipped

    Hello KarateChicken it appears that you have not posted on our forums in several weeks, why not take a few moments to ask a question, help provide a solution or just engage in a conversation with another member in any one of our forums?

    Yeah, why don't I?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wherewolf
    I may be goofy, as he claimed, and I am certainly not a very good rider. But better to be goofy than a whiny pu$$y.


    You, embarrass me? That's fresh. I would say "see you on the trail", but I tend to shy away from where barneys flock.

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    KarateChicken = JD

    Quote Originally Posted by adamantane
    what a goon to have sent you that stupid private message...did not want to air out his ridiculous attitude...thanks for posting about it...like to have more evidence that there are a whole bunch of goons riding bikes unfortunately
    KarateChicken, the whiny wimp, sent me a couple PM's wanting to argue and it was easy to find out that he is JD with a new handle. If you don't know, JD was a really obnoxious guy who finally went over the top when he made some very cruel and inappropriate posts about a child biker dying on the trail last year. So they kicked him out. He's not worth responding to and he'll probably make an ass of himself and get kicked out soon anyway. I also learned, among other things, that he is a Capricorn, has medium brown hair, blue eyes, is "really tall" and his favorite color is deep purple

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wherewolf
    KarateChicken, the whiny wimp, sent me a couple PM's wanting to argue and it was easy to find out that he is JD with a new handle. If you don't know, JD was a really obnoxious guy who finally went over the top when he made some very cruel and inappropriate posts about a child biker dying on the trail last year. So they kicked him out. He's not worth responding to and he'll probably make an ass of himself and get kicked out soon anyway. I also learned, among other things, that he is a Capricorn, has medium brown hair, blue eyes, is "really tall" and his favorite color is deep purple

    Don't sweat it WW. Go to socalmtb.com, and search for flame wars involving "Notorious MTB" aka KarateChicken aka JD. The guy is pathetic, all he does he challenge people to fight him on the trails with a different screen name for every MTB site. It's funny, yet pathetic at the same time. At socalmtb.com he is known as a guy who doesn't like mexicans. Good stuff, good stuff!

    (waiting for the fight challenge to come my way) "Meet me on the trail, anytime any place!"

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    No sweat at all

    Nothing anybody posts could possibly bother me. They are just words. I found it a bit ironic that a supposedly good mountain biker would complain about trails having ruts and sand. It's also a bit childish how he has PM'd me a few times. But it takes two to fight and when he realizes he'll get nothing out of me he'll move on to somebody else.

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    Any shuttle space left?

    I've been wanting to do this ride with you since last year when I first saw the post. :-) Anyways, I was wondering if there is any shuttle ride left(?). Also, I heard you guys are shuttling on Sunday....anyone doing a ride on Saturday? (It'll be my first time at the Kern.) OR... how is the riverrafting around this time for Saturday?

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    Call and ask

    Quote Originally Posted by BikeAddict
    I've been wanting to do this ride with you since last year when I first saw the post. :-) Anyways, I was wondering if there is any shuttle ride left(?). Also, I heard you guys are shuttling on Sunday....anyone doing a ride on Saturday? (It'll be my first time at the Kern.) OR... how is the riverrafting around this time for Saturday?
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    They always seem to find room for more. Like the wolf said call first. The river is off the hook right now. I'll be going down it Saturday.
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    This river?

    This is how the river looked last Saturday. I hope everyone is taking the heat very seriously. I think it will be hotter for you than us last week. Last year it hit 111 on us and I became quite concerned for one person.


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    yeah and that river is pretty strong, don't get any silly ideas to swim across it

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    i know its last minute but where to stay saturday night? is there still room at a site? i'll be driving up saturday with a friend. if not there should be plenty of site right? camp site info?

    thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by jr711
    i know its last minute but where to stay saturday night? is there still room at a site? i'll be driving up saturday with a friend. if not there should be plenty of site right? camp site info?

    thanks
    Hey JR,

    Check out the SocalTrailRiders site. I believe DSstepper may have room in his cabin. I know MRA doesn't have any room in their campground. The others nearby were full to.

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