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    No good Call out to Hummingbird Trail Crew

    rode the trail the other day and I am glad you did some work

    but

    you took 2 rocks out that give you some air
    you filled in ruts towards the end that give the trail some ball$
    and you (I don't what you were trying to do to some of those corners).....you took down the edge your tire sticks to when railing corners

    so my question is why or what you were trying to do to the corners by making the trail wider and taking the edge away (better served working on the inside of the turn because most people ride this part)

    why take out the 2 rocks (one almost the last turn then you do that last descend and the other on a straitaway that you can boost (step up) into that little hill)

    why take out the ruts.......I mean if you want a smooth trail go over to the Handicapped accessible trail called Chumash....this is Hummingbird....I originally helped build this trail in 1991.....very discouraging that the trail was pu$$ified...while I am at it...man I hate how Chumash little rockgardens were taking out too...it is mountain biking....not sidewalk riding...we have obstacles...be a better rider by conquering not taking the what you percieve hard out
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    lunchbox, you know the people who do that type of maintenance are hikers right. I like the trails to be somewhat challenging and not sanetized as well, but I don't think you'll find who you're looking for on this forum. I think you'll need to hunt down the simi valley trailblazers if you're curious as to who's doing that type of maintenance... try Thursday evening @ Chumash, that's their regular hike.

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    Something tells me that any riders up there who do any trail work aren't working on those two trails. The fact that Bird/Chumash had any attention at all without an organized effort (advertised trail days) indicates it was hikers/equestrians.
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    Rut removal is a standard water shed procedure, and part of trail maintenance 101. HBird is a multi-use trail, can't say I'm surprised that ANY user group would employ techniques that would help preserve the trail, and prevent erosion.

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    Here you go-- it was indeed the Trailblazers: http://www.simitrailblazers.com/activities/index.html

    ...and probably the nicest bunch of folks you'll ever meet. They planned, built, and maintain most of the Simi ST's that we all enjoy. I believe we owe them a huge "Thank you" for that! Since they aren't mtb'ers, they wouldn't understand about your preferences. Their goal is to keep the trails in good condition. Regardless, every heavy storm takes a toll on Hummingbird-- have patience and the ruts will be back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dusty Bottoms
    Rut removal is a standard water shed procedure, and part of trail maintenance 101. HBird is a multi-use trail, can't say I'm surprised that ANY user group would employ techniques that would help preserve the trail, and prevent erosion.
    You are right on about the ruts and there is more. Where ever you find ruts you will find trail widening. Most trail users avoid ruts by riding/walking to the side. This will eventually widen the trail and in many cases form a new rut which people will avoid and widen the trail even more and so on. Any depression in a soil surface will funnel water and the end result is a rut. That's why bikers should avoid skidding and riding when the trail is soft from rain.
    The point of trail maintenance should be sustainability. I am not in favor of making trails easy to ride or safer but I am in favor of making them last and keeping them single track.

    Thanks for the opportunity to give my rut speech.

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    chopper and dusty - totally agree with keeping the trails sustainable and singletrack...

    Lady - agreed, the Simi Trailblazers are good folks, I see 'em every Thursday on Chumash and I've known Mike K for 20+ years...

    <sarcasm>I do think you'll want to check with SMT though, because he built hummingbird in '91...he posted it above... </sarcasm>

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    I too am all good with trail maintenance, when done right.

    It's been said before, the Trailblazers are nice people. And, who else is out there doing this on a regular basis. I keep on telling myself to get out there on an organized trail care day, but it has been YEARS since I've actually done it. So, I too give them kudos.

    HOWEVER, some of those folks need to go back to class. I can remember more than one time they simply fill in those big old ruts with loose and soft dirt with no moisture in it.

    The only thing worse than big old ruts is big old ruts hidden from view with nice, loose dirt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GMoney
    <SARCASM>I do think you'll want to check with SMT though, because he built hummingbird in '91...he posted it above... </SARCASM>
    I can't really tell if you're kidding or not, so I'll bite for the edification of others. I know Mike K. too & touched bases w/ him yesterday. To set the record straight, Hummingbird was designed and built and is maintained by the Rancho Simi Trailblazers as a multiuse trail. Mike K. was there from the very beginning. He & 3 or 4 others (SMT not among them) laid out the trail. Several small groups helped in the trail-building, including boy scouts, girl scouts and church groups. Perhaps SMT was once a boy scout?

    I've also helped build several local trails-- that doesn't mean I can dictate how those trails are to be maintained or claim them for a particular user group.

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    Lady - I was kidding.
    I know who really built the trails, I've been a resident of Simi for 30 years now. I'm also friends with SMT and know when he's blowin' smoke...the comment was intended to give him crap...

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    Quote Originally Posted by GMoney
    Lady - I was kidding.
    I know who really built the trails, I've been a resident of Simi for 30 years now. I'm also friends with SMT and know when he's blowin' smoke...the comment was intended to give him crap...
    You know, that's what I figured... Nevertheless, SMT has young "followers" who might actually believe that Hummingbird was designed & built for dh'ers. I don't want
    Hummingbird to end up closed due to the bluster & prevarications of one user. SMT, behave yourself.

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    Wasnt there a song about that? The Cult of SMT?


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    Quote Originally Posted by LadyDi
    I can't really tell if you're kidding or not, so I'll bite for the edification of others. I know Mike K. too & touched bases w/ him yesterday. To set the record straight, Hummingbird was designed and built and is maintained by the Rancho Simi Trailblazers as a multiuse trail. Mike K. was there from the very beginning. He & 3 or 4 others (SMT not among them) laid out the trail. Several small groups helped in the trail-building, including boy scouts, girl scouts and church groups. Perhaps SMT was once a boy scout?

    I've also helped build several local trails-- that doesn't mean I can dictate how those trails are to be maintained or claim them for a particular user group.
    SMT Your Up! time to walk the plank.......

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    Hey, man, you don't talk to SMT. You listen to him. The man's enlarged my mind. He's a poet-warrior in the classic sense. I mean sometimes he'll... uh... well, you'll say "hello" to him, right? And he'll just walk right by you. He won't even notice you. And suddenly he'll grab you, and he'll throw you in a corner, and he'll say, "do you know that 'if' is the middle word in life? If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs and blaming it on you, if you can trust yourself when all men doubt you"... I mean I'm no, I can't... I'm a little man, I'm a little man, he's... he's a great man. I should have been a pair of ragged claws scuttling across floors of silent seas...

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    post of the year...

    Quote Originally Posted by brendancahill
    Hey, man, you don't talk to SMT. You listen to him. The man's enlarged my mind. He's a poet-warrior in the classic sense. I mean sometimes he'll... uh... well, you'll say "hello" to him, right? And he'll just walk right by you. He won't even notice you. And suddenly he'll grab you, and he'll throw you in a corner, and he'll say, "do you know that 'if' is the middle word in life? If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs and blaming it on you, if you can trust yourself when all men doubt you"... I mean I'm no, I can't... I'm a little man, I'm a little man, he's... he's a great man. I should have been a pair of ragged claws scuttling across floors of silent seas...
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    Quote Originally Posted by brendancahill
    you don't talk to SMT. You listen to him.
    Quote Originally Posted by brendancahill
    The man's enlarged
    SO TRUE BROTHA!!!!

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    oops, too obscure
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    Quote Originally Posted by brendancahill
    oops, too obscure
    No, not at all. Thanks for the chuckle.

    But SMT as Kurz? He seems more like Dennis Hopper's character.

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    Yes! I didn't think anyone would catch that qoute. I saw Lady Di's post, and I knew Captain Willard needed to make an appearance (i know, i know. you get the point. did hopper even have a name?).

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    Quote Originally Posted by SHIVER ME TIMBERS
    rode the trail the other day and I am glad you did some work...it is mountain biking....not sidewalk riding...we have obstacles...be a better rider by conquering not taking the what you percieve hard out
    smt I am bummed too, now it's gonna be too easy to ride UP

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    Quote Originally Posted by brendancahill
    Yes! I didn't think anyone would catch that qoute. I saw Lady Di's post, and I knew Captain Willard needed to make an appearance (i know, i know. you get the point. did hopper even have a name?).
    Not so far as I could tell. The web pages I pulled up trying to link a photo of him into my post just listed him as "photojournalist in the cast list, if they listed him at all

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    Quote Originally Posted by LadyDi
    Since they aren't mtb'ers, they wouldn't understand about your preferences. Their goal is to keep the trails in good condition. Regardless, every heavy storm takes a toll on Hummingbird-- have patience and the ruts will be back.
    well lets start in by saying when they filled in the ruts (and horse shoe holes) they did with loose dirt that will never stay in the holes they tried to fill in. Maybe some of the people working need to go back to the class they teach (I am going to one to be certified by the Park District - so I don't know what they teach, but hopefully something good for trail maintenance).

    anyway.....those ruts originally started by horsesback riders and erosion have been there for over 5 years....they didn't even do that much work.....2 guys in 4 hours could have done a better job that would be more sustainable then they did.....

    all I am saying is they took out the edge of the turns which now will erode because the dirt is soft and filled in the holes with dirt that will blow away from wind and just plain trail use

    I like that they tried, but I think they did more damage to the trail, then good
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    Quote Originally Posted by LadyDi
    Nevertheless, SMT has young "followers" who might actually believe that Hummingbird was designed & built for dh'ers. I don't want
    Hummingbird to end up closed due to the bluster & prevarications of one user. SMT, behave yourself.
    to call Hummingbird a DH trail is not acurate. HB is a good trail but more along the lines of an extreme XC trail. To me a DH trail would have jumps and drops. I think HB is one of the best trails for learning how to develop skills for switchback corners, letting your bike roll through rockgardens and at the end flowing the corners to the bottom(not cuttting them as I have seen recently ). HB was the first trail I rode Mtn Biking. It has sentimental value to me. I rode it for 9 months strait while I was learning. For the last 4 years I have been on that trail about 20 times. Lately, I have just started riding it for training and conditioning.

    My big concern is all the cut outs on the trail.......fences and tree branches are not working.....best thing is to dig pits.....stops the rogue bikers from cutting fast.



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    ...2 years ago I spent about 25 to 30 hours fixing the trail after the heavy rains....there were a few ruts was 2 feet deep and about a foot wide that I fixed .I built some water bars out of dirt to help out with erosion.What was cool about the waterbars is that you could ride over the bar pedaling up, but also jump over them coming down........I notice these are gone (kind of dumb because the trail won't drain and now next rain the same problem will be there again).

    a few weeks later after doing the above work I posted here about a group trail day and we had 4 riders come out and do some more work. I think ET was one or it was Scottay or maybe both
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    Quote Originally Posted by SHIVER ME TIMBERS
    .....best thing is to dig pits.....stops the rogue bikers from cutting fast.
    Pits? Like with tigers in them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LadyDi
    Pits? Like with tigers in them?
    that would be really fun.....but yeah 2 feet deep with a riser on the other side (dirt pile =more blockage.....then brush grows back so you can fill in hole
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    Quote Originally Posted by GMoney
    Lady - I was kidding.
    I know who really built the trails, I've been a resident of Simi for 30 years now. I'm also friends with SMT and know when he's blowin' smoke...the comment was intended to give him crap...

    actually went out with the park district back around 91 w/my surf buddy John......we cleared some brush...moved some rock, carved out some sections, and cut some branches of the larger trees/brushes....they also handed us some s and told us to knock down some brush....I think they worked over a month on weekends working on it....we had about 25 people out the day I went

    so no smoke their
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    Speaking of Trail Crew

    Is there an easy way to return to Chumash trailhead? We just rode up Chumash down Hummingbird today and ran into major construction where there was once open land. We started to cross but the boss on the site intercepted us and said "Get the F--- off my job!".

    Attached in a G.Earth picture. The pale line is a GPS track made in February. The brown is a rough outline of the boundaries of earth-moving. Their work line abuts the freeway.
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    Builders have started grading earth at the "bottom trailhead" of hummingbird getting ready to put up another parking lot, as the song goes.

    So is it still an official trailhead? Was it ever? If it was it's probably history now.

    When I rode it on Friday everybody just walked right through the site, or you can do what I did and ride through the tunnel ( the wash ) under the 118 and climb over the fence at the other side at Keuner but I don't recommend that because you have to be nuts to try it.

    Maybe the Simi Valley Trail Blazers will know more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pacman
    Is there an easy way to return to Chumash trailhead? We just rode up Chumash down Hummingbird today and ran into major construction where there was once open land. We started to cross but the boss on the site intercepted us and said "Get the F--- off my job!".

    Attached in a G.Earth picture. The pale line is a GPS track made in February. The brown is a rough outline of the boundaries of earth-moving. Their work line abuts the freeway.
    I think untill construction is done you are on city streeets for a while
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    last time i was there we parked at the Chumash trailhead by all the houses. After the ride another group came down and went down the street the houses are on and then jumped back into the dirt at the end of the street, before the street turns to the right. They hit a little FR by the looks of it and climbed the little hill. When we were driving onto the freeway we could see them coming down the backside of that hill, either drop straight down or swichback down. Not sure where it went from there, but it may be something to look into. Maybe G.E. will show it?


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    Quote Originally Posted by scottay
    last time i was there we parked at the Chumash trailhead by all the houses. After the ride another group came down and went down the street the houses are on and then jumped back into the dirt at the end of the street, before the street turns to the right. They hit a little FR by the looks of it and climbed the little hill. When we were driving onto the freeway we could see them coming down the backside of that hill, either drop straight down or swichback down. Not sure where it went from there, but it may be something to look into. Maybe G.E. will show it?


    scott

    BTW, if you are ever out that way and would like more company on the ride, please lemme know!
    are you talking about that little trail that run along the freeway fence???
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    Quote Originally Posted by SHIVER ME TIMBERS
    ... do some more work. I think ET was one ..
    Yes, was me. I often work on our local trails here in Simi.
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    Construction access

    That's one of my company's grading jobs. No provision was made for recreational trails in this project, which is typical for Simi Valley. The southern end of the dirt road below the happy face will dump out into a desilting basin, with no access. The northern end of the dirt road will be cut off by a new paved road (continuation of Mt. Sinai Dr.) which accesses the north end of the new project. This new paved road will fill the canyon below the happy face, and the road in that canyon, which is how most people used to cross the ridge. It is feasible, with a retaining wall and $40,000 (approximate), to build a trail from the new paved road northward to join the existing dirt road that circles the east side of the cemetary (I'm looking at the grading plan as I write this), but that possibility has never been proposed by the property owner, the City, or the engineer. It may be proposed by the Trail Blazers once they get a look at the finished slope, but the northern end of the trail is still on private land so the proposal isn't likely to get far. No grading is currently planned along the bottom of Hummingbird. If this doesn't turn into a gated community, you will be able to ride Mt. Sinai Drive from Kuehner all the way to Yosemite, possibly by the end of next winter.

    Am I the only cyclist who submitted a written statement during the public comment period for this project?

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    Thanks for the info

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    Am I the only cyclist who submitted a written statement during the public comment period for this project?
    It's good to get info about the construction that's going on, even if it is mostly bad news. The Chumash-Johnson-Hummingbird ride is one of my favorites (though I don't get to ride it that much), and this is going to be a major disruption.

    I would have loved to have submitted comments, but of course I had no idea what was proposed. It's hard to find out about projects that aren't in your own area. CORBA is one possible mechanism for getting the word out on projects like this, but only if they know about it, and I'm sure in a place with as much activity as the LA area it's impossible to find out about everything that might affect mountain bikers. If anyone finds out about something that might affect mountain bikers, it would be good to tell CORBA or the local mountain bike association, so they can get the word out. It could make a difference!

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    Quote Originally Posted by tribe guy
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    h-bird was fine...am i the only one who thinks "trail work" should be done when the dirt is somewhat moist and manageable?????in the heat the dirt doesnt stick too well...if hikers did the work hooray for them, and bad timing, any work done will be gone after the santa anas kick up....also that trail didnt see much rain at all this winter so what was there to fix????
    hikers, sidewalks are soooooo fun stick to them... god created asphalt so yuppie sierra clubbers can hike......(see the trail of a hundered giants)

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    CORBA does a weak job of reaching out to riders that are not already on their mailing lists.

    They know about this board. They know about ridemonkey, and they know about all the xc clubs in the area.

    It would take them 5 minutes to post to all those groups, them, but nope they just post to their members.

    These kind of missed meetings happen all the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dusthuffer
    CORBA does a weak job of reaching out to riders that are not already on their mailing lists.

    They know about this board. They know about ridemonkey, and they know about all the xc clubs in the area.

    It would take them 5 minutes to post to all those groups, them, but nope they just post to their members.

    These kind of missed meetings happen all the time.
    So maybe this is the role you could play for CORBA!

    You see the need and it seems obvious and easy for you. If CORBA is anything like the NORCAL clubs I know, it is run by volunteers who ride, have careers and families, and try to keep it all in balance. (edited for clarity)
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    no, I won't volunteer because it takes hours and hours and hours to post something to the socal forum and I have a family you know, and I'm a volunteer, and I have a career you know? I don't have those thousands of hours to post corba meetings to the socal board on mtbr and that's not including ridemonkey! If I also logged onto ridemonkey, that's another hour. and if I had to actually navigate to the socal forum, that's well I can't count that high.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dusthuffer
    no, I won't volunteer because it takes hours and hours and hours to post something to the socal forum and I have a family you know, and I'm a volunteer, and I have a career you know? I don't have those thousands of hours to post corba meetings to the socal board on mtbr and that's not including ridemonkey! If I also logged onto ridemonkey, that's another hour. and if I had to actually navigate to the socal forum, that's well I can't count that high.
    Say what? I'm not trying to give you a hard time here, but I don't understand the point of your irony or sarcasm or whatever. I'm sure you have a life too.

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    Hey I know the corba people. Like,I ride with them. I appreciate them.

    They put in massive amounts of work and time, but I laugh when they don't do some of the easy stuff that takes hardly any time, like posting to the popular message boards. They sort of spread information only amongst their members and tight little circle of friends and friendly clubs.

    Actually I think they probably don't want too many crazies from mtbr showing up at the meetings, they're probably a step ahead of me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dusthuffer
    ... corba people...put in massive amounts of work and time...
    Not on the trails in Simi they don't.

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