thanks for the replies. i'll look into some of the places mentioned. as for the free ride, i am not a serious customer for him, i just want to try a couple out before i prodeal one. wanted to try out a nice hardtail and an average full suspension. the two bikes i'm debating are the Marin Palisades Trail and the Diamondback Sortie 1 because i can get a deal on these two brands.