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    Big Bear 2014

    Park opens up on Friday 4/18.

    I heard season passes are $279, anyone know if the daily rate has increased this season? Assuming the park closes in October we'll have a solid 6 months of riding so it may be worth it to get a pass. Any locals know if all the trails will be open the first weekend?


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    ATTN mountain bikers: your prayers have been answered. We will be opening the mountain bike park on 4/18 the Friday before Easter weekend and will continue to keep it open on Friday, Saturday and Sundays. This will be the earliest opening for mountain bike parks in North America! Join us on Saturday April 19th for our first annul Kick-Off Party. We will have the Red Bull MXT here with DJ Slip Matt playing in the plaza. Check out bike vendors and win prizes throughout the day. Come up and celebrate with us.

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    Last year on opening day they only had a couple open trails. The upper singletrack is usually still open though.

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    gonna be there probably friday

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    link for season passes

    https://ecommerce.snowsummit.com/e-commerce/

    $279 for adults, probably $35 for day passes, so you break even after 8 trips...

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    No new trails there from last year. There is an article that talked about the red tape with the forest service. It caused them to step back to get it cleared up. They are hopeful to add beginner's trial this year and that is about it for the ski area.

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    Don't let that get you down as there are a number of great trails that can be accessed outside the ski area.
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    im not sure if all the trails in the park will be open, if not, it won't because of snow. All the trails off SS are clear and open.

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    the 2 main trails should be open though, right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Island20v View Post
    Last year on opening day they only had a couple open trails. The upper singletrack is usually still open though.
    That is because last year was the first year they had opened up again in over 10 years.....

    Too bad to hear they wont have a few more trails to offer this year. That wont stop me from going up at least two or three times this summer.
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    I would think all three of the trails should be open, don't have confirmation on that, but if I talk to anyone who works at Summit, I'll find out and report it here.

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    Who cares anyway. There's so much to ride up here if you're gonna drive up.
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    Top trails to not miss if driving up for a day? and how about two days.. w/ possible cars dropped off, doesn't have to be a loop etc
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    ^ Exactly. If the south side of the lake gets boring there are plenty on the northside behind the discovery center.

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    yeah I've ridden some of the stuff on the north side, but if you bring up a big bike and plan on using the lifts it's nice to know what to expect

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    I plan on riding the lift on Friday the 18th and need to rent a DH bike for my son. Where would you guys recommend? At Snow Summitt or one of the local shops? Thanks
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    I think SS rentals should fit the bill, they use Trek's, the other 2 shops that rent bikes, Bear Valley Bikes have Specialized and KHS, Chains Required also has Trek ands Giant.

    For those not relying on the lifts,or use the lifts and are interested in XC, light trail, there are plenty of trails to be found on both sides of the lake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pachaven View Post
    I plan on riding the lift on Friday the 18th and need to rent a DH bike for my son. Where would you guys recommend? At Snow Summitt or one of the local shops? Thanks
    If you're in Orange County stop by the path bike shop. They rent giant glory for 80ish a day.
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    Big Bear 2014

    I have never been and plan on going a couple of times this summer. What should I expect? Is there any specific things I should know?

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    They do offer good club discounts. Talk to Roxanne Walters in sales to get your club on the list. GGR gets great discounts and some comps..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hurricane Jeff View Post
    I think SS rentals should fit the bill, they use Trek's, the other 2 shops that rent bikes, Bear Valley Bikes have Specialized and KHS, Chains Required also has Trek ands Giant.

    For those not relying on the lifts,or use the lifts and are interested in XC, light trail, there are plenty of trails to be found on both sides of the lake.
    I've ridden Gray's Peak and hiked Cougar Crest, are there any other trails you recommend checking out on the North side?

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    If you've ridden or hiked to Grays Peak, then you were on the Grout Bay trail to get to the trailhead. Grout Bay Trail starts/ finishes at the Hanna Flats campground space #51, and ends/ starts at the Grout Bay day use area. It is mostly fire roads with some hidden, secret single track, the Perfect Cycling Trail is also another option, although you may not want to ride it, especially on weekends.

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    What's the park like for XC? What I can ride back and forth via their lifts.

    Looks like one XC/Intermediate trail and can't tell how long it is (miles). West Ridge. Looks like you have to ride advanced on Cruiser for a bit to hit it. from vids looks like everyones wearing full face helmets so might be a little too advanced for the crew I plan to take.

    Might have to wait for Mammoth?

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    If your of a XC rider, I would even bother riding the bike park. There are tons of XC trails around Snow Summit, trails like Skyline, Trick or Treat, Powerline, Pineknot trail and Cabin 89 and Grout Bay trail and Grays Peak on the Northshore near Fawnskin are all awesome trails worth coming up to ride.
    I've ridden the bike park, there are some great trails there, just not totally XC bike friendly.

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    Thanks for the info.

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    Agree with Jeff, although I have spent all weekend riding the lifts and riding the XC trails as well....some more all mountain....I'll be up there a ton this summer for the bike festival and GGR trips, so looking forward to riding more of the trails in town that I don't know. The trails in Fawnskin are awesome but short, so you have to connect them
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    my old giant trance x2 with 120mm was considered an "xc" and i had no issues with it on the bike park last year. sure, you wont be catching massive air or ripping down like some on dh bikes but the trails are pretty smooth
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    ^ 120mm is a bit short for the park but it can be done. As long as you are respectful of the other riders around you, it will be fun. More suspension and strong brakes do make it a bit more enjoyable though.

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    No matter what bike your riding, it comes down to riding preferences. I've ridden my 4" travel XC bike in the park, as well as my 6" am bike, the bigger travel bike was way more fun, but all the trails outside the park, my XC bike excels.
    As GGR Girl states, shuttling up on the lift and riding the trails outside the park is a great option also.
    One of my favorite rides is, starting from my house on the east end Northshore area, I ride up Fern trail to 2n10, to Skyline to Secret trail( to become the extension of Skyline) to Cabin 89 to Millcreek, then take the hwy over the dam to the Grout Bay trail, to Rim of the World 2n14, to Delamar man 2n16, to Perfect Cycling Trail, to Van Dusen Cyn, then 1 mile back home. Turns out to be about 45 miles with more than half of that on sweet single track. Thinking of doing this ride this weekend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hurricane Jeff View Post
    No matter what bike your riding, it comes down to riding preferences. I've ridden my 4" travel XC bike in the park, as well as my 6" am bike, the bigger travel bike was way more fun, but all the trails outside the park, my XC bike excels.
    As GGR Girl states, shuttling up on the lift and riding the trails outside the park is a great option also.
    One of my favorite rides is, starting from my house on the east end Northshore area, I ride up Fern trail to 2n10, to Skyline to Secret trail( to become the extension of Skyline) to Cabin 89 to Millcreek, then take the hwy over the dam to the Grout Bay trail, to Rim of the World 2n14, to Delamar man 2n16, to Perfect Cycling Trail, to Van Dusen Cyn, then 1 mile back home. Turns out to be about 45 miles with more than half of that on sweet single track. Thinking of doing this ride this weekend.
    Sounds like a great ride. For someone who's only ridden up there a handful of times, a GPS or Strava link to a ride like this would be awesome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kragu View Post
    Sounds like a great ride. For someone who's only ridden up there a handful of times, a GPS or Strava link to a ride like this would be awesome.
    If you open up strave to the 2n10 area you can find alot of trails branching off it. Pineknot is one of my favorites.

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    follet's map is pretty good and is available everywhere, I think you can even get it at 7-11

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    not sure if the hardcopy map has been updated with the Skyline or the summit park trails but there is info at the website above

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    Follet's map is the best source for trail info, not sure if Skyline or the bike park are on the map, don't know if there is a 2014 edition.
    If you have Strava, go to the explore key, every ride and trail has segments.

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    is anyone going up there this weekend? me and my wife just moved here from hawaii recently so dont know where any trails are out there. Also looking for good places to camp.

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    Just rode Westridge about 2 hours ago, its in awesome condition, looks like they added a few more things to it from last year.

    There are plenty of places to camp up here, google big bear camping.

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    At more of a beginner skill level who is hesitant to get too airborne, is the park still fun? I like fast and flowy, just not super comfortable on jumps.

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    West ridge is the easiest way down and has lots of jumps, almost forced to get airborne on many of them, so if your not comfortable, the park is not the place, however, there is tons of trails outside the park that are chair lift accessible that should fit the bill. Trails like Skyline, Pineknot and Powerline are a few of the trails.

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    Anybody have a ride report from this weekend? How are the trails? Are they all open now? Planning on going up next weekend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hurricane Jeff View Post
    West ridge is the easiest way down and has lots of jumps, almost forced to get airborne on many of them, so if your not comfortable, the park is not the place, however, there is tons of trails outside the park that are chair lift accessible that should fit the bill. Trails like Skyline, Pineknot and Powerline are a few of the trails.
    I don't remember having to get airborne on any of the trails last year...... There were a few doubles, but you can roll them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Klurejr View Post
    I don't remember having to get airborne on any of the trails last year...... There were a few doubles, but you can roll them.
    And the few you couldn't (or shouldn't) roll had ride-arounds. Maybe it's just too early for those to have been worked out.

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    I rode it the day before (Thursday) before the official opening, there are some optional lines around the jumps in places, and really you don't have to get air, you can probably roll over most if not all of the jumps. We were riding at a pretty good clip( as fast as a 4" travel XC bike would go) got air in plenty of places. We only did the one run, which was the way down the mountain that time on our regular Thurs. night ride, so without pre-riding it, we probably rode it too fast, not really knowing what to expect, although we ridden it last season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhinodriver View Post
    Anybody have a ride report from this weekend? How are the trails? Are they all open now? Planning on going up next weekend.
    rained/snowed out on friday! was at the top of the lodge eating lunch and it started snowing/hailing. then turned into rain. waited about 30mins, bombed down west ridge and it was already be ruined by the mud. all the burms were shot. got down and completely covered in mud. hosed the bikes off and changed and drove home such a bummer. wish i had gone saturday!
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    Quote Originally Posted by absoluteczech View Post
    rained/snowed out on friday! was at the top of the lodge eating lunch and it started snowing/hailing. then turned into rain. waited about 30mins, bombed down west ridge and it was already be ruined by the mud. all the burms were shot. got down and completely covered in mud. hosed the bikes off and changed and drove home such a bummer. wish i had gone saturday!

    not to mention that with only 2 trails open there was absolutely no chance of getting a clean run, had to stop multiple times every run because people wouldnt let us pass. Hope they get a few more trails opened soon.
    nothing witty here...

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2w4s View Post
    not to mention that with only 2 trails open there was absolutely no chance of getting a clean run, had to stop multiple times every run because people wouldnt let us pass. Hope they get a few more trails opened soon.
    Passing people isn't about being "allowed" to pass. It's about MAKING the pass. I find making braaaap noises helps a lot. Ride real close so they see your front wheel in corners, enter corners really late too.

    If they refuse to get out of your way, give them a free skillz clinic to help them build their skills. Yell tips, give them line suggestions as you are riding. Critique their form and balance. I think it's a great thing to do.

    Also be sure to remind them the difficulty of the trail they are on when you pass them "Hey remember kids this is an expert only trail, you want to stick to the blues and greens."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gemini2k05 View Post
    Passing people isn't about being "allowed" to pass. It's about MAKING the pass. I find making braaaap noises helps a lot. Ride real close so they see your front wheel in corners, enter corners really late too.

    If they refuse to get out of your way, give them a free skillz clinic to help them build their skills. Yell tips, give them line suggestions as you are riding. Critique their form and balance. I think it's a great thing to do.

    Also be sure to remind them the difficulty of the trail they are on when you pass them "Hey remember kids this is an expert only trail, you want to stick to the blues and greens."
    A nice loud bell or squeaky toy attacked to your handle bars is a better way to get their attention.
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    *****. They are paying for the ride just like you. Share the trails guys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Island20v View Post
    *****. They are paying for the ride just like you. Share the trails guys.
    Exactly. Slower riders must always yield to faster riders on black and double black downhill trails. Greens it is the opposite. Blues....I'm not sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Island20v View Post
    *****. They are paying for the ride just like you. Share the trails guys.
    agreed.

    as much as i 'think' i am a faster than average rider, i am not pro, but at least i respect those that are faster than me.

    in the more open sections i still pull over, but thats usually because my stamina is shitty and i need a quick breather. lets face it, there are SOME sections in which the trail is NOT safe to move over and let others go by.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gemini2k05 View Post
    Exactly. Slower riders must always yield to faster riders on black and double black downhill trails. Greens it is the opposite. Blues....I'm not sure.
    I think this is a good rule of thumb. Everyone's welcome to ride any trail with respect for the rider at the level for which it was built. Wear a loud bell on the blues and don't be a dick is what I say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gemini2k05 View Post
    Exactly. Slower riders must always yield to faster riders on black and double black downhill trails. Greens it is the opposite. Blues....I'm not sure.

    Are you sure? Can't speak to Snow Summit but even Mammoth has rules about speed.

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    I'm an XC rider and ride all the trails with my 29r. I always pull over for faster riders and have no problem, just please give me and others the opportunity to ride and a chance to pull over when its safe. DON'T creep up on us or pass without safe clearance please. Most of the time, the seasoned DH riders are the best on the trails, pass with safety, and are very considerate and I greatly appreciate that. Its the riders who are out of control who I worry about.
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    Slower riders do have the right of way, but I agree, they should get over when safe. Ive seen faster riders make stupid, unsafe passes also and thats not right either, had a few idiots make totally unsafe passes while riding with my then 9 year son on Town Trail, almost took him out, had I not been with him I would have chased them down and gave then a mouthful..of words followed with my fist.
    We can all get along and enjoy the trails, were not racing and I'm sure we all enjoy going fast and having a great time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by absoluteczech View Post
    rained/snowed out on friday! was at the top of the lodge eating lunch and it started snowing/hailing. then turned into rain. waited about 30mins, bombed down west ridge and it was already be ruined by the mud. all the burms were shot. got down and completely covered in mud. hosed the bikes off and changed and drove home such a bummer. wish i had gone saturday!
    I was just starting a run down when it started raining. Got wet and muddy. Rode back up on the lift and got soaked in rain. Half way up it started snowing. I got to the top and had a pulled pork sandwich and a coffee. About the time I was done the rain and snow had stopped. Went back out and half the people had left. The dirt was perfect on the top half and a little slick on the bottom half. Hammered out a bunch of runs with no traffic or dust. Saturday the dirt was perfect and by about 1 PM most people had left. Got in 10 runs. The last 6 had very little traffic or lift lines. Sunday I got in 5 runs in two hours with no traffic or lift lines. It was a pretty good weekend for me.

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    HAve they sorted out the bike loading thing? Or are they still doing 1 bike at a time on the lifts?

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    I was up at the lifts on Sat., checking out the small expo, but I didn't ride the lifts and didn't notice how they are loading the bikes, I'll try and go up there today to check it out, although they are not operating. June 14th is the day they start operating daily.

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    old style, 1 at a time. at least that kinda keeps the trails for getting too overcrowded, though.
    nothing witty here...

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    Still 1 bike at a time. I asked about it and they said they wanted to buy 4 bike racks, but ski season was so bad they didn't have money for it.

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    seems like that's the excuse they're going to be using a lot this summer.
    nothing witty here...

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    Quote Originally Posted by GGR Girl Wendy View Post
    I'm an XC rider and ride all the trails with my 29r. I always pull over for faster riders and have no problem, just please give me and others the opportunity to ride and a chance to pull over when its safe. DON'T creep up on us or pass without safe clearance please. Most of the time, the seasoned DH riders are the best on the trails, pass with safety, and are very considerate and I greatly appreciate that. Its the riders who are out of control who I worry about.
    That's the way it should be done. If there is the space, I will move over but coming up behind me "giving me pointers" and riding so close I can see your front tire is not the way it should be done. I would like to see Snow Summit post rules on this like other SoCal mountains have though.

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    I don't think Summit is really interested in improving the bike lift situation. Once you have a lift ticket why do they care how many runs you get? They have nothing to gain, they just have to work harder moving more bikes and people. It is NOT complicated. All they have to do is put a hook on a (~2') extension bar off the back of the lift, unload the front bike first and then the second when it makes the turn, it gives the lifties sufficient time to unload. Simple and cheap bolt-on solution, proven at other bike parks, that will double the efficiency of the lifts. The bars could easily be built and installed in a week.

    Bummer about the rain on opening day. I've gotten soaked on the lift before but luckily the cabin in at the end of one of the trails so we just rode back, dried the clothes and took a hot shower, then hit it up in the afternoon.

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    Funny all the banter about faster vs slower riders.

    Has anyone actually had any issues with this?

    I have been riding lift runs in Big Bear and Mammoth for well over 10 years and not once had anyone get upset about needing to pass or be passed. Having a bell or squeaky toy is a very polite way to let someone know you are behind them, and I have yet to meet a fellow Mountain Biker who is not willing to move over when it is safe to do so.

    Please do not let the idea of getting a fast Strava time push you to ignore basic principles of being safe on the trail and respecting other human beings who are interested in the same sport as you are.

    That said, Snow Summit does not even have a "green" trail where beginner's might be riding and going slow, you should be somewhat experienced to go ride the park there. Mammoth on the other hand does have a few "green" marked trails where you can encounter much slower riders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Mama View Post
    I've gotten soaked on the lift before but luckily the cabin in at the end of one of the trails so we just rode back, dried the clothes and took a hot shower, then hit it up in the afternoon.
    lucky you had that cabin... ive been soaked on the lifts last season. freak down pour... just had the jersey/standard gear on since it was quite a warm/nice day... was the worst feeling ever.... never been so cold in my life, once we got to the top, it stopped raining, then we had to ride down all drenched. was even more cold and uncomfortable until we got back to the trucks... haha. guess you can't really prepare for that stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klurejr View Post
    Funny all the banter about faster vs slower riders.

    Has anyone actually had any issues with this?
    Yep! Some people have egos or something about being passed or moving over "How dare someone go faster than me!" or some kind of weird mentality. OH well, it just makes me chuckle and they're the ones who's blood pressure rises. Makes my day honestly.

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    What works for me when I want to pass a slower rider is I say what I want to do. As I come up I say "I will pass you on your left when the trail opens up and its safe" They almost always start drifting over to the right side of the trail and I make a clean pass and I always say thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pachaven View Post
    What works for me when I want to pass a slower rider is I say what I want to do. As I come up I say "I will pass you on your left when the trail opens up and its safe" They almost always start drifting over to the right side of the trail and I make a clean pass and I always say thanks.
    Funny, I have almost never found that to work.
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    so many pro DHers nowadays, i don't know what to do...

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkimSTi View Post
    so many pro DHers nowadays, i don't know what to do...
    Please move over to your right, thanks.

    Why do you have to be a pro downhiller to want to be able to ride a entire run without obstruction, that's why most people go to a lift access resort.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2w4s View Post
    Please move over to your right, thanks.

    Why do you have to be a pro downhiller to want to be able to ride a entire run without obstruction, that's why most people go to a lift access resort.
    obviously didnt catch my sarcasm, bro.

    as stated, i am far from pro, love having lift access, and respect all fellow riders on the trails. i meant, everyone else is so damn good they have to look down on other riders and be ***** about it.

    as someone else mentioned, we all pay to ride, and we arent ALL going to be DH professionals looking to shave hundreths of seconds of our times.

    for many riders, parks are a place to enjoy their GRAVITY bikes, without having to hike uphills and enjoy a lengthy DH ride with minimal peddling. (at least id imagine so)

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    Quote Originally Posted by GGR Girl Wendy View Post
    the seasoned DH riders are the best on the trails, pass with safety, and are very considerate and I greatly appreciate that. Its the riders who are out of control who I worry about.
    i guess what i dont understand is why people have to be so rude about it. Those 'overly' experienced riders that complain about not getting full runs in, because they are the king of the mountain. be respectful, i say.. being polite encourages the slower rider to continue to ride AND learn, so maybe the next time they come back they won't be the slow guy anymore...

    after all, we all start somewhere, we were all slow when we started.

    i do believe, if you are going to a bike park, EXPECTING to get a full run in, without running into other riders (slower or faster) you are going to the park for the wrong reasons. you should be entering downhill races, so you can have the full track to yourself.

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    Is BB the only lift accessible bike park open right now?

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    to my knowledge, yes.

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    I'm thinking of going up to Big Bear. I would be riding my Enduro. Is a full face helmet recommended? I'm hesitant to buy one because I don't have much use for it usually.

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    Quote Originally Posted by morandi View Post
    I'm thinking of going up to Big Bear. I would be riding my Enduro. Is a full face helmet recommended? I'm hesitant to buy one because I don't have much use for it usually.
    Just get some cheap one under $100. I paid $70 for mine.
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    Pads and full face helmets are completely a personal choice. I can tell you that for me, as an XC rider, I feel more committed on the gnarlier trails when wearing pads and a FF helmet. When riding all the XC trails I wear my XC Kali helmet. If you ride at very high speeds....I would suggest it...although I was severely injured at only 31 miles an hour descending which is low speed to most of the DH riders I ride with.

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    hey GGR, were you up there a lot last season? i swear i remember seeing a purple lady riding that was friendly. (the ladies are rare up there lol)

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    actually there are a ton of us! There are 600 alone in GGR! About 70 of us will be there mid August for an all women's weekend.

    Yup, I was up there probably 4 times last year. Many purple GGR jersey's there....we are all very friendly and always say HI to all!

    You can't miss my bike either, it's an Epic 29r with GGR painted on the rims and all blinged out in purple although this was just done this year...I am there next Sunday...this weekend is the R50
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    Quote Originally Posted by Klurejr View Post
    Funny all the banter about faster vs slower riders.

    Has anyone actually had any issues with this?

    I have been riding lift runs in Big Bear and Mammoth for well over 10 years and not once had anyone get upset about needing to pass or be passed. Having a bell or squeaky toy is a very polite way to let someone know you are behind them, and I have yet to meet a fellow Mountain Biker who is not willing to move over when it is safe to do so.

    Please do not let the idea of getting a fast Strava time push you to ignore basic principles of being safe on the trail and respecting other human beings who are interested in the same sport as you are.

    That said, Snow Summit does not even have a "green" trail where beginner's might be riding and going slow, you should be somewhat experienced to go ride the park there. Mammoth on the other hand does have a few "green" marked trails where you can encounter much slower riders.

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    ^^^ The best post in this entire thread. ^^^

    I say, ride within your ability, but always try to push your limits. If you are faster than someone else on the trail, any trail / anyplace, try to be courteous and not a d1ck when you ask to pass. Remember, we (Mtn Bikers) are really a pretty small group, so why would any of us ever "hate"? Besides, we were all once slower, and there is ALWAYS someone faster. If you are slower than others on a particular trail, be aware of others, be friendly, and allow others to pass when you can.

    I love cycling. When I'm on a bike I'm happy. When I'm not and see someone that is, it makes me happy. Every so often posts show up. Roadies vs. Mountain Bikers, DHers vs. XC, down hill vs. up hill... I say, if you're out riding, and see others doing the same, share the love man. Life is, and your time riding certainly is, too short.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GGR Girl Wendy View Post
    Pads and full face helmets are completely a personal choice. I can tell you that for me, as an XC rider, I feel more committed on the gnarlier trails when wearing pads and a FF helmet. When riding all the XC trails I wear my XC Kali helmet. If you ride at very high speeds....I would suggest it...although I was severely injured at only 31 miles an hour descending which is low speed to most of the DH riders I ride with.
    Agreed! I run my XC helmet here locally, but when I go up to a place with lifts where I am doing less pedaling and more bombing I go with full leg/shin and arm pads and a full face helmet.

    The pads alone build my confidence and help me to push myself to do things I would never do without them. The first year I rode with pads in Big Bear I went off a dropoff on the old West Ridge trail (was that really 12 years ago????) and was not able to get my bike turned to the right fast enough and ran my left leg into the giant log laying there. Without pads my day would have been over and my leg a big mess. With pads I stopped for a second, and then went about my business.

    That said, I have a friend who goes with us and he rides without pads and in a XC helmet, but he also does not bomb the trails and is there to enjoy the outdoors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by El Salt View Post
    ^^^ The best post in this entire thread. ^^^

    I say, ride within your ability, but always try to push your limits. If you are faster than someone else on the trail, any trail / anyplace, try to be courteous and not a d1ck when you ask to pass. Remember, we (Mtn Bikers) are really a pretty small group, so why would any of us ever "hate"? Besides, we were all once slower, and there is ALWAYS someone faster. If you are slower than others on a particular trail, be aware of others, be friendly, and allow others to pass when you can.

    I love cycling. When I'm on a bike I'm happy. When I'm not and see someone that is, it makes me happy. Every so often posts show up. Roadies vs. Mountain Bikers, DHers vs. XC, down hill vs. up hill... I say, if you're out riding, and see others doing the same, share the love man. Life is, and your time riding certainly is, too short.
    While klurejr's and your posts are spot-on, the riders who really need to read/hear this advice are not likely to be reading this thread. Or any other thread, for that matter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Old Ray View Post
    While klurejr's and your posts are spot-on, the riders who really need to read/hear this advice are not likely to be reading this thread. Or any other thread, for that matter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Old Ray View Post
    While klurejr's and your posts are spot-on, the riders who really need to read/hear this advice are not likely to be reading this thread. Or any other thread, for that matter.
    Very true.
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    We got about 6" of snow last night up here, melting really fast, if your coming up, all the snow should pretty much be gone by tomorrow, should make for some great conditions.

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    What a crazy weekend... Friday trail conditions were awesome and there was virtually no waiting in the lift line. My son and I carved the park up all day... After 12 runs my legs and arms were burning. Weather held out until the park closed at 4. Then after a 6" dump we spent most of the day Saturday sledding. Epic! Unfortunately the bike park was obviously closed Sat and Sun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Armeniandave View Post
    Which Friday? This last one? Wondering how long the
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    The 25th. The snow wasn't there yet when I left.

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    The snow surprisingly stuck around all weekend, usually this time of the year, the snow melts very fast. I rode today up 2n08, Coyote, Skyline then down 1e01, what a fricken mess.

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    First Friday....opening day
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    Quote Originally Posted by GGR Girl Wendy View Post
    Pads and full face helmets are completely a personal choice. I can tell you that for me, as an XC rider, I feel more committed on the gnarlier trails when wearing pads and a FF helmet. When riding all the XC trails I wear my XC Kali helmet. If you ride at very high speeds....I would suggest it...although I was severely injured at only 31 miles an hour descending which is low speed to most of the DH riders I ride with.

    Have fun and make sure you say HI! Can't miss me, I always wear my purple GGR jersey and will be there a ton this summer
    31 mph is very fast...even 20 is good speed...35 plus is pro speed
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    well, you know who I was riding with...he must have been going close to 40-45. Fast fast fast fast fast......def pro speed....wish he was using a Garmin..that's how I knew how fast I was going.....
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    I am there this Sunday, make sure you say HI to the girlz in the purple jersey's!
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    Quote Originally Posted by GGR Girl Wendy View Post
    Pads and full face helmets are completely a personal choice. I can tell you that for me, as an XC rider, I feel more committed on the gnarlier trails when wearing pads and a FF helmet. When riding all the XC trails I wear my XC Kali helmet. If you ride at very high speeds....I would suggest it...although I was severely injured at only 31 miles an hour descending which is low speed to most of the DH riders I ride with.

    Have fun and make sure you say HI! Can't miss me, I always wear my purple GGR jersey and will be there a ton this summer
    31mph. Interesting. That is what my "max speed" was at on my bike computer the day I crashed in a rocky creek bed, and fractured my left leg in 15 places. The Ortho surgeon turned out to be a good guesser; he commented that my degree of fracture he did not see on bicycles so often, but more like what he saw on motorcycles. He guessed "at least 30 mph".

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    O my Old Ray, so very sorry to hear! I didn't realize I was going that fast until I uploaded my Strava from my Garmin. I felt like I was going really slow...or maybe it was just remembered in slo mo! It felt like a very slow and hard hit. Interesting we were both at about the same speed...

    I hope you have had the surgery you needed and are out of pain. Back on the bike yet?
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    Quote Originally Posted by GGR Girl Wendy View Post
    O my Old Ray, so very sorry to hear! I didn't realize I was going that fast until I uploaded my Strava from my Garmin. I felt like I was going really slow...or maybe it was just remembered in slo mo! It felt like a very slow and hard hit. Interesting we were both at about the same speed...

    I hope you have had the surgery you needed and are out of pain. Back on the bike yet?
    That was way back in '98, so yeah,I'm riding after 6 months of no weight-bearing. I have enough permanent retained hardware in that leg make a Colt 1911 pistol. A long-slide, at that!

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    Big Bear 2014

    Thinking about going this Sunday. Planning on being there by 10 or 11. Have the Sundays been crowded?

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    I will be there before 10am! Make sure you say HI! Look for the GGR purple jerseys...weather forecast is 65 degrees and sunny! No clue about crowds...this is my 1st time up there this year
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    My plans got scrubbed to head to Mammoth this June, cause they will not be open by the time I take vacation. So please help me understand something, is SS the spot for a MTB Park or did Big Bear open up one? I've ridden BB two years ago and it was great. My plans are to ride Sat BB and if SS has a Park, then ride there Sunday.

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    The park is at SUMMIT, there is no park at Bear Mtn...

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    My plans got scrubbed to head to Mammoth this June, cause they will not be open by the time I take vacation.
    You sure about that?

    http://www.singletracks.com/blog/mtb...open-may-24th/

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    My buddy was told by someone he met at Chaparral Motorsports in San Bernardino that SS did not secure his bike to the chairlift properly and his bike fell off the chairlift and was damaged (I'm not sure why my friend did not ask if SS reimbursed him to get his bike fixed...said he hates SS).

    Has this happened to anyone?

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    I went this Friday for the first time. Great conditions and an awesome day of riding. By 2:00 my legs were done, wet noodles and now I walk like a robot. But I'm going back as soon as I can. Here is a couple runs from my helmet cam.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shredman69 View Post
    I went this Friday for the first time. Great conditions and an awesome day of riding. By 2:00 my legs were done, wet noodles and now I walk like a robot. But I'm going back as soon as I can. Here is a couple runs from my helmet cam.

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    shame on you letting a slower rider go by you then not giving enough space before you start up again then saying behind you @$$hole. If it was my friend I would have heckled him more and then crashed him
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