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    Best tire for So Cals dry dusty conditions?

    Hey guys. I've noticed that the factory tires that came on my Rocky Mountain Vertex 29er seem to be somewhat lacking in the traction department at times and I'm looking for some suggestions for So Cals dry, dusty trails.
    Some days I want to kick my own A$$ twice.

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    I know somebody who recently mounted a Kenda Nevegal on the front of his 29er and he seemed happy with the traction improvement.

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    I haven't swapped the tires that came stock on my 29er but I've put WTB Velociraptor's on my 26" & it made a world of difference.

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    I really like the Maxxis Ardent 2.4, but it is kinda of big and heavy, but it rolls fast.
    I think you really cannot go wrong with the Specialized Captain Control 2.0 or 2.2. It is a fast rolling tire, but has tons of grip, and is really easy to ride. Sets up tubeless really well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by morandi View Post
    I really like the Maxxis Ardent 2.4, but it is kinda of big and heavy, but it rolls fast.
    I think you really cannot go wrong with the Specialized Captain Control 2.0 or 2.2. It is a fast rolling tire, but has tons of grip, and is really easy to ride. Sets up tubeless really well.
    I haven't had the same success with the Captains that came stock on my 29er unless I run real low pressures.

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    What they said. I've used the Captains and like them but I like the Renegades too. I've also used the Kenda SB8 and had no problems with it either.

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    It really depends on how much of a weight weenie you are.

    If weight isn't a concern, then a Maxxis Ardent/Ignitor combo is hard to beat for grip and durability. Rampage is another good front tire choice in this range.

    If you want something lighter, I've had good luck with a Schwalbe racing ralph front and Maxxis Ikon rear. No way it can compare to the heavy tires above in terms of grip, but they the setup works surprisingly well.

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    I don't think there is any "one" tire that is "better or worse" for use on SoCal dry trails. Use ANY tire, just deflate to a lower PSI for better traction in the "loose stuff".

    Works for me (Maxxis Ignitors as of most recent). Now, after 20+ years mtn biking, I can say I have tried just about every tire (1.95 to 2.35 size) out there!

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    I like exiwolf's in the back and panaracer rampage in the front

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    Another vote for the Specialized Captain Control, even better 2bliss at about 28psi.

    About the only 29er tire I really didn't like was the Continental Mtn King - seemed maybe it was made for wetter rooty conditions like the NW/NE. Could have also just been user error.

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    Got my first 29er in August, I ride it almost every day. Geax Seguaros are working really well for me, the TNT 2.2" version running tubeless on Flow rims @ 28 pounds. They hook up much better than the SB8's on my 26er, on the same trails.
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    I'm rocking Geax's Sagauaro front/back, I run them about 25-30lbs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ambassadorhawg View Post
    I know somebody who recently mounted a Kenda Nevegal on the front of his 29er and he seemed happy with the traction improvement.
    I can confirm this I like having something with a little better rolling resistance on the back, though.

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    Tires for SoCal

    I had the same question back when I moved out here from the Midwest, where I rode in mud and snow and the occasional dry summer dirt. I found that my heavy aggressive tires weren't necessary out here, and made the long climbs much worse. I've been running less aggressive tires for the last couple of years, like Hutchinson Barricudas and similar. I'd get a pair of Small Block 8s because they look ideal, with lots of small gripping surfaces but no large gaps to create rolling resistance, but I refuse to spend $30 on a bicycle tire. If you go up to Big Bear or any other spot with soft loose dirt then I'd put the Nevegals or some other meaty tire on. For Backbone or Cheesebro I do fine with faster models.

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    I ride a SC Tallboy 29er. Best set-up I ever used is the Schwabe Nobby Nic on the front and Racing Ralph on the back. RR was great at first but didn't last 1/2 as long as NN and they are spendy as well. I've also had great experiences with Geax Saguaros and I'm currently trying out the Panaracer 'CG' model that are so highly spoken of in the tire forum. I like them more and more each ride. I've got (2) friends that run the Small Block 8's and love them down here in San Diego.

    I ran Kenda Nevagal's on my other bikes and thought they were fine until I tried all the newer, less aggressive tread patterns mentioned above. In comparison, Nevegals SUCK in *my* opinion. I wouldn't use them again if they were free.

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    Specialized Purgatory 29

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    Schwabe Fat Alberts 2.4" came on my Yeti ASR 7 and have served me well. I have WTB 2.1 Velociraptors on my hard tail.

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    Running Purgatory up front with the new Specialized Ground Controls in the back. Great combo that is slightly overkill during the middle of summer but perfect for this time of year when the occasional shower makes the trails sticky.

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    Kenda small block eights
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    I have an all mountain bike but I run a 2.5 dh muddy Mary tubeless on my front and a 2.25 rocket Ron on my rear... There is a noticeable weight difference on the bike with the 2.5 but the traction I get is unreal... I also upgraded my wheels to the Easton havens so that saves me on some weight from the stock wheel

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    Micro knob tires like the Maxxis Ikons really shine on dry dusty hardpack. I'm super impressed by Maxxis Ikons.

    Captains work alright, but the last time I took them to San Juan, they'd get squirrelly when on the brakes and that made me take them off. Unstable braking is not what I want, especially when there's exposure.

    Agreed on the Mountain Kings. Those things are super sketchy. They slip sideways waaaay too easily in dry dusty conditions. They make the Captains look tame when braking too... these things seem to be intent at making your front wash out if you try to brake before a turn on a descent.

    Panaracer CG XCs are a nice all arounder that I like better than Nevegals. Great lateral grip. Paired with a good stiff wheelset, they let you use the entire trail, no matter if it's rocky, rutted, or whatever. They just stick. Very high quality tires.
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    I run a Geax Saguaro on the front, and Geax AKA on the rear.

    I have also had good luck with a Maxxis IKON on the Front, and a Maxxis CrossMark on the rear.

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    Got to agree RE the Geax. Those Saguaros are one of the best tracking tires I've used in a while. Ran them at 32psi.

    They are also very soft and wear out (or did for me) very quick. . . . thus I am back to my 2nd best tire the Ignitors by Maxxis. Seem to last 2x as long!
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    yep nevegal 2.35 wears out fast
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    Whoa . . . did you stack all those rocks?? Creeeeeeepy.

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    Aliens did it

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    Kenda slant 6, small block 8, and nevegal are all good. I've run all three in various configs and they work great.

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    I guess I should have mentioned that I was looking for 29er size tire suggestions. My bad.
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    I run the WTB Dissent 2.5s on my RIP9, if you don't mind the weight, AWESOMENESS! Even in the occasional clay bath they shed, Nevs load up. However Nevs came on my GT Peace 9R SS and they're working fine in most conditions.
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    Does anyone wanna trade tires? I have 2 Panaracer Rampage 29x2.35 tires and 2 Maxxis Crossmark 29er tires (the crossmark tires have had the round knobs taken off). All four tires have less than 100miles on them. Send me a message!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Apexpredator65 View Post
    I guess I should have mentioned that I was looking for 29er size tire suggestions. My bad.
    I put tubeless Schwalbe nobby nic (F) and racing ralph (R) on my RIP9 and got exactly one ride in before the rain started. So far so good - but I need a few more rides before I can vouch for the combo. I will say that it felt faster than the Ingnitor/Captain Control combo I had before.

    The Specialized combo of purgatory (F) and control (R) 2bliss will be the next combo I try. I hear good things about them.

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    I just went to the Specialized Purgatory 29x2.2 on my Tallboy from Maxxis Ignitor. I like both of those options much more than Nevegals, but haven''t settled on 'favorite' yet. (still have Nevegals on my Blur) Have the Purgatory's set up tubeless and run them around 30 psi.

    Any comparisons from Purgatory to Small Block 8's?
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    Sagauro Front and Maxxis Icon rear.

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    wtb weirwolf ust 2.3 except with the recent rain clay

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    Conti XKINGS, not sure if they are in 29er yet. Great tire.

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    I don't race, I'm still a noob, the biggest problem I seem to be having is my front tire washing out in me tight turns or sometimes on high speed turns. Just seems that the factory tires on my Rocky Mountain Vertex 29er were not really designed for So Cal dust.
    Some days I want to kick my own A$$ twice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Apexpredator65 View Post
    I don't race, I'm still a noob, the biggest problem I seem to be having is my front tire washing out in me tight turns or sometimes on high speed turns. Just seems that the factory tires on my Rocky Mountain Vertex 29er were not really designed for So Cal dust.
    Tires are definitely part of the equation, but in my experience technique plays a more important role.
    My guess is that you are riding off the back too much, and not keeping your weight centered over the bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PerfectZero View Post
    I can confirm this I like having something with a little better rolling resistance on the back, though.
    x2....tomac nevegal up front, s-works eskar out back for the rolling resistance. Run higher pressure in the rear too.
    Wait... Isn't it damp, and amazing traction out there right now?... Even a panaracer would stick in these conditions..J/K... Panaracers never stick
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    I'm been running a Jones ACX on the front and a WTB Nano on the rear on my Fisher Rig (it came with them). It's been a great combo for me so far.
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    i see alot of these tires ....this guy seems to have no problem with them
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    Nevegal up front, Slant Six in the back.

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    I am personally a big fan of worn out (worn in?) Nevagals.

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    Hello wet and tacky....

    NOTE: Put the tires referred to in this thread away...

    Goodbye dry dusty conditions for the foreseeable future

    P.S.: Please let the trails dry and firm up before riding...thanks

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    wut ChIpPy said^

    don't rut up the trails

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    another ikon fan here....sure do wish maxxis made a 29r larson tt

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    Cut Nevegals, THE BEST.....

    Minions
    high rollers
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    purgatory
    captain
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    excavators

    Are great tires for socal just to name a few. But we have such a wide variety of trail conditions; from cement dirt to loose over hardpack to soft compound up in the mountains. We have it all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by camarosam View Post
    Cut Nevegals, THE BEST.....
    But wearing them down while riding makes you stronger!
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    purgatory seems like an in between between a high roller and a trail king/rubber queen. The 2.4 trail king and rubber queen are really confidence inspiring, but not very fast. I got to ride them on the SRAM 2x10 experience on bikes I've never really rode before and rode features I never dared to attempt on my own bike!

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    I have one (muddy) ride in on a new Nevegal up front after I blew out a high roller and the first ride was good. Not 100% sold on it yet, but it was certainly an improvement in the corners over my high roller.

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    Quote Originally Posted by outside! View Post
    But wearing them down while riding makes you stronger!
    Thats because you wear out the transitional knob enough to where the outer knob can dig into the soil. The downside to the nevegals is loose over hardpack, there are too many knobs and not one is able to make a definite bite into the ground. Thats why they are awesome in soft compound, soft, loose and somewhat firm conditions.

    By cutting every other transitional knob, you protrude the outer knobs more so they can make a definite grab into the ground. If you look at many other tire designs they copy the Nevegal platform but eliminate every other transitional knob. Great tire.
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