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    Best tire for So Cals dry dusty conditions?

    Hey guys. I've noticed that the factory tires that came on my Rocky Mountain Vertex 29er seem to be somewhat lacking in the traction department at times and I'm looking for some suggestions for So Cals dry, dusty trails.
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    I know somebody who recently mounted a Kenda Nevegal on the front of his 29er and he seemed happy with the traction improvement.

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    I haven't swapped the tires that came stock on my 29er but I've put WTB Velociraptor's on my 26" & it made a world of difference.

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    I really like the Maxxis Ardent 2.4, but it is kinda of big and heavy, but it rolls fast.
    I think you really cannot go wrong with the Specialized Captain Control 2.0 or 2.2. It is a fast rolling tire, but has tons of grip, and is really easy to ride. Sets up tubeless really well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by morandi View Post
    I really like the Maxxis Ardent 2.4, but it is kinda of big and heavy, but it rolls fast.
    I think you really cannot go wrong with the Specialized Captain Control 2.0 or 2.2. It is a fast rolling tire, but has tons of grip, and is really easy to ride. Sets up tubeless really well.
    I haven't had the same success with the Captains that came stock on my 29er unless I run real low pressures.

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    What they said. I've used the Captains and like them but I like the Renegades too. I've also used the Kenda SB8 and had no problems with it either.

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    It really depends on how much of a weight weenie you are.

    If weight isn't a concern, then a Maxxis Ardent/Ignitor combo is hard to beat for grip and durability. Rampage is another good front tire choice in this range.

    If you want something lighter, I've had good luck with a Schwalbe racing ralph front and Maxxis Ikon rear. No way it can compare to the heavy tires above in terms of grip, but they the setup works surprisingly well.

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    I don't think there is any "one" tire that is "better or worse" for use on SoCal dry trails. Use ANY tire, just deflate to a lower PSI for better traction in the "loose stuff".

    Works for me (Maxxis Ignitors as of most recent). Now, after 20+ years mtn biking, I can say I have tried just about every tire (1.95 to 2.35 size) out there!

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    I like exiwolf's in the back and panaracer rampage in the front

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    Another vote for the Specialized Captain Control, even better 2bliss at about 28psi.

    About the only 29er tire I really didn't like was the Continental Mtn King - seemed maybe it was made for wetter rooty conditions like the NW/NE. Could have also just been user error.

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    Got my first 29er in August, I ride it almost every day. Geax Seguaros are working really well for me, the TNT 2.2" version running tubeless on Flow rims @ 28 pounds. They hook up much better than the SB8's on my 26er, on the same trails.
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    I'm rocking Geax's Sagauaro front/back, I run them about 25-30lbs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ambassadorhawg View Post
    I know somebody who recently mounted a Kenda Nevegal on the front of his 29er and he seemed happy with the traction improvement.
    I can confirm this I like having something with a little better rolling resistance on the back, though.

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    Tires for SoCal

    I had the same question back when I moved out here from the Midwest, where I rode in mud and snow and the occasional dry summer dirt. I found that my heavy aggressive tires weren't necessary out here, and made the long climbs much worse. I've been running less aggressive tires for the last couple of years, like Hutchinson Barricudas and similar. I'd get a pair of Small Block 8s because they look ideal, with lots of small gripping surfaces but no large gaps to create rolling resistance, but I refuse to spend $30 on a bicycle tire. If you go up to Big Bear or any other spot with soft loose dirt then I'd put the Nevegals or some other meaty tire on. For Backbone or Cheesebro I do fine with faster models.

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    I ride a SC Tallboy 29er. Best set-up I ever used is the Schwabe Nobby Nic on the front and Racing Ralph on the back. RR was great at first but didn't last 1/2 as long as NN and they are spendy as well. I've also had great experiences with Geax Saguaros and I'm currently trying out the Panaracer 'CG' model that are so highly spoken of in the tire forum. I like them more and more each ride. I've got (2) friends that run the Small Block 8's and love them down here in San Diego.

    I ran Kenda Nevagal's on my other bikes and thought they were fine until I tried all the newer, less aggressive tread patterns mentioned above. In comparison, Nevegals SUCK in *my* opinion. I wouldn't use them again if they were free.

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    Specialized Purgatory 29

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    Schwabe Fat Alberts 2.4" came on my Yeti ASR 7 and have served me well. I have WTB 2.1 Velociraptors on my hard tail.

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    Running Purgatory up front with the new Specialized Ground Controls in the back. Great combo that is slightly overkill during the middle of summer but perfect for this time of year when the occasional shower makes the trails sticky.

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    Kenda small block eights
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    I have an all mountain bike but I run a 2.5 dh muddy Mary tubeless on my front and a 2.25 rocket Ron on my rear... There is a noticeable weight difference on the bike with the 2.5 but the traction I get is unreal... I also upgraded my wheels to the Easton havens so that saves me on some weight from the stock wheel

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    Micro knob tires like the Maxxis Ikons really shine on dry dusty hardpack. I'm super impressed by Maxxis Ikons.

    Captains work alright, but the last time I took them to San Juan, they'd get squirrelly when on the brakes and that made me take them off. Unstable braking is not what I want, especially when there's exposure.

    Agreed on the Mountain Kings. Those things are super sketchy. They slip sideways waaaay too easily in dry dusty conditions. They make the Captains look tame when braking too... these things seem to be intent at making your front wash out if you try to brake before a turn on a descent.

    Panaracer CG XCs are a nice all arounder that I like better than Nevegals. Great lateral grip. Paired with a good stiff wheelset, they let you use the entire trail, no matter if it's rocky, rutted, or whatever. They just stick. Very high quality tires.
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    I run a Geax Saguaro on the front, and Geax AKA on the rear.

    I have also had good luck with a Maxxis IKON on the Front, and a Maxxis CrossMark on the rear.

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    Got to agree RE the Geax. Those Saguaros are one of the best tracking tires I've used in a while. Ran them at 32psi.

    They are also very soft and wear out (or did for me) very quick. . . . thus I am back to my 2nd best tire the Ignitors by Maxxis. Seem to last 2x as long!
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    yep nevegal 2.35 wears out fast
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    Whoa . . . did you stack all those rocks?? Creeeeeeepy.

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    Kenda slant 6, small block 8, and nevegal are all good. I've run all three in various configs and they work great.

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    I guess I should have mentioned that I was looking for 29er size tire suggestions. My bad.
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    I run the WTB Dissent 2.5s on my RIP9, if you don't mind the weight, AWESOMENESS! Even in the occasional clay bath they shed, Nevs load up. However Nevs came on my GT Peace 9R SS and they're working fine in most conditions.
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    Does anyone wanna trade tires? I have 2 Panaracer Rampage 29x2.35 tires and 2 Maxxis Crossmark 29er tires (the crossmark tires have had the round knobs taken off). All four tires have less than 100miles on them. Send me a message!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Apexpredator65 View Post
    I guess I should have mentioned that I was looking for 29er size tire suggestions. My bad.
    I put tubeless Schwalbe nobby nic (F) and racing ralph (R) on my RIP9 and got exactly one ride in before the rain started. So far so good - but I need a few more rides before I can vouch for the combo. I will say that it felt faster than the Ingnitor/Captain Control combo I had before.

    The Specialized combo of purgatory (F) and control (R) 2bliss will be the next combo I try. I hear good things about them.

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    I just went to the Specialized Purgatory 29x2.2 on my Tallboy from Maxxis Ignitor. I like both of those options much more than Nevegals, but haven''t settled on 'favorite' yet. (still have Nevegals on my Blur) Have the Purgatory's set up tubeless and run them around 30 psi.

    Any comparisons from Purgatory to Small Block 8's?
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    Sagauro Front and Maxxis Icon rear.

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    wtb weirwolf ust 2.3 except with the recent rain clay

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    Conti XKINGS, not sure if they are in 29er yet. Great tire.

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    I don't race, I'm still a noob, the biggest problem I seem to be having is my front tire washing out in me tight turns or sometimes on high speed turns. Just seems that the factory tires on my Rocky Mountain Vertex 29er were not really designed for So Cal dust.
    Some days I want to kick my own A$$ twice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Apexpredator65 View Post
    I don't race, I'm still a noob, the biggest problem I seem to be having is my front tire washing out in me tight turns or sometimes on high speed turns. Just seems that the factory tires on my Rocky Mountain Vertex 29er were not really designed for So Cal dust.
    Tires are definitely part of the equation, but in my experience technique plays a more important role.
    My guess is that you are riding off the back too much, and not keeping your weight centered over the bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PerfectZero View Post
    I can confirm this I like having something with a little better rolling resistance on the back, though.
    x2....tomac nevegal up front, s-works eskar out back for the rolling resistance. Run higher pressure in the rear too.
    Wait... Isn't it damp, and amazing traction out there right now?... Even a panaracer would stick in these conditions..J/K... Panaracers never stick
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    I'm been running a Jones ACX on the front and a WTB Nano on the rear on my Fisher Rig (it came with them). It's been a great combo for me so far.
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    i see alot of these tires ....this guy seems to have no problem with them
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    Nevegal up front, Slant Six in the back.

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    I am personally a big fan of worn out (worn in?) Nevagals.

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    Hello wet and tacky....

    NOTE: Put the tires referred to in this thread away...

    Goodbye dry dusty conditions for the foreseeable future

    P.S.: Please let the trails dry and firm up before riding...thanks

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    wut ChIpPy said^

    don't rut up the trails

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    another ikon fan here....sure do wish maxxis made a 29r larson tt

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    Cut Nevegals, THE BEST.....

    Minions
    high rollers
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    purgatory
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    Are great tires for socal just to name a few. But we have such a wide variety of trail conditions; from cement dirt to loose over hardpack to soft compound up in the mountains. We have it all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by camarosam View Post
    Cut Nevegals, THE BEST.....
    But wearing them down while riding makes you stronger!
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    purgatory seems like an in between between a high roller and a trail king/rubber queen. The 2.4 trail king and rubber queen are really confidence inspiring, but not very fast. I got to ride them on the SRAM 2x10 experience on bikes I've never really rode before and rode features I never dared to attempt on my own bike!

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    I have one (muddy) ride in on a new Nevegal up front after I blew out a high roller and the first ride was good. Not 100% sold on it yet, but it was certainly an improvement in the corners over my high roller.

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    Quote Originally Posted by outside! View Post
    But wearing them down while riding makes you stronger!
    Thats because you wear out the transitional knob enough to where the outer knob can dig into the soil. The downside to the nevegals is loose over hardpack, there are too many knobs and not one is able to make a definite bite into the ground. Thats why they are awesome in soft compound, soft, loose and somewhat firm conditions.

    By cutting every other transitional knob, you protrude the outer knobs more so they can make a definite grab into the ground. If you look at many other tire designs they copy the Nevegal platform but eliminate every other transitional knob. Great tire.
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    I roll on BF Goodrich Long Trail T/As..

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    On my Specy Epic 29er I'm running Specy Captain (F) and Maxxis Crossmark (R). I am pretty happy with this combo right now. I weigh 180# and run 30psi F&R.

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    Got Nevegal on my SS and Small Blocks on my geared. I think I prefer the Nevegals... but I also like that particular bike more.

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    i just bought some WTB Exiwolf 2.1 race tires for 18 dollars each. i hope it was a good choice for san diego terrain.

    im changing out the old tioga extreme xc 2.1s. i didnt notice any problems with those and they were super used when i got the bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DannyHuynh View Post
    i just bought some WTB Exiwolf 2.1 race tires for 18 dollars each. i hope it was a good choice for san diego terrain.

    im changing out the old tioga extreme xc 2.1s. i didnt notice any problems with those and they were super used when i got the bike.
    Even if it wasn't man you are out only $36! Some folks spend twice that just for ONE tire! If they suck, figure out why and you'll make a more informed decision next time

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    I'm still a fan of the old standby: Panaracer Fire XC Pros. Such a nice tire. Not great on the rear, a little easy to lose lateral grip on ascents. I almost prefer a narrow Velociraptor rear for the grip but the Panaracers ride so nicely and are lighter than any of the WTBs I have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OO7 View Post
    Even if it wasn't man you are out only $36! Some folks spend twice that just for ONE tire! If they suck, figure out why and you'll make a more informed decision next time
    as stated in reviews, they suck in mud! LOL they don't clear at all... cant wait till it dries up so i can really test out these babies.

    i need a pressure washer

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    Quote Originally Posted by DannyHuynh View Post
    i need a pressure washer
    Why?

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    to wash mud off my tires lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by DannyHuynh View Post
    to wash mud off my tires lol
    Meh . . . I just let it dry and bounce the bike a few times and off it comes. I try to keep the water away from my bike at pretty much all costs, which is pretty easy to do out here in SoCal.

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    really? i just hosed my bike down LOL i dry it right away tho with a chamey.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DannyHuynh View Post
    really? i just hosed my bike down LOL i dry it right away tho with a chamey.
    Do a search on washing your bike . . . its okay once in a while if you do it properly, however out here in SoCal, I have gone over a year without washing my bike and it still looks clean.

    Don't get me wrong, I am not one of those people who think that washing your bike is some mortal sin that will ruin the thing. Some folks HAVE to do it (e.g., those in the PNW with mud and constant WET), but out here, if it ain't CAKED in mud, I'd just let it dry and it wipes off very easily with a dry towel. You can even make it a little easier to keep clean if you use a polish on the frame.

    If you DO wash your bike, keep the pressure to a minimum and avoid all the bearings. Water in the bearings is not your friend.

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    Good job!

    Quote Originally Posted by OO7 View Post
    Do a search on washing your bike . . . its okay once in a while if you do it properly, however out here in SoCal, I have gone over a year without washing my bike and it still looks clean.

    Don't get me wrong, I am not one of those people who think that washing your bike is some mortal sin that will ruin the thing. Some folks HAVE to do it (e.g., those in the PNW with mud and constant WET), but out here, if it ain't CAKED in mud, I'd just let it dry and it wipes off very easily with a dry towel. You can even make it a little easier to keep clean if you use a polish on the frame.

    If you DO wash your bike, keep the pressure to a minimum and avoid all the bearings. Water in the bearings is not your friend.
    thank you. duly noted

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    Super fast rolling Kenda Lopes BBG in back, and a Kenda Nevegal up front. That's the ticket!
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    Just switched from Maxxis ignitor/ADvantage to Nevegals! I did the Peaty cut mod and im pleasantly impressed! TRACTION!!!

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    My tires work great on when it's not muddy! They roll fast when pumped up too. Havnt washed on a fast corner yet. Knock on wood... Money well spent

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    Quote Originally Posted by socalMX View Post
    Just switched from Maxxis ignitor/ADvantage to Nevegals! I did the Peaty cut mod and im pleasantly impressed! TRACTION!!!
    So I did a search for this and essentially . . . you created a High Roller, not? Am I missing something?

    I'm currently running a Nevegal up front and am pretty happy with it . . . it is pretty slow rolling though, which I'm not thrilled about.

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    High Roller,no...Similar spaced pattern but different compound/feel. Also a slightly quicker roller! Bites hard in corners. Lose a few grams as well!

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    Quote Originally Posted by socalMX View Post
    High Roller,no...Similar spaced pattern but different compound/feel. Also a slightly quicker roller! Bites hard in corners. Lose a few grams as well!
    Did you cut every knob, or every other knob?

    Front and Rear or just one?

    I can see this being good for the rear . . . I have a HR right now in the rear and its starting to wear thin after 600 miles or so. I'm trying to hold off on replacing it because I want to get new wheels and go tubeless, but not sure if thats going to happen or not. I may try this for a rear tire.

    Anyone using a Slant Six as a rear tire?

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    I took my bike in to Jenson USA today for it's 90 day tune up and I'm having them change the tires while it's in there. I decided to go with an Igniter for the rear and and a WTB Bronson for the front on the suggestion from a couple of the people at Jenson and others on this board. I get the bike back on Saturday and will try them out on Tuesday.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Apexpredator65 View Post
    I took my bike in to Jenson USA today for it's 90 day tune up and I'm having them change the tires while it's in there. I decided to go with an Igniter for the rear and and a WTB Bronson for the front on the suggestion from a couple of the people at Jenson and others on this board. I get the bike back on Saturday and will try them out on Tuesday.
    WTB Bronson AM TCS front is a beast. I put one on my Yeti ASR7's rear to replace a Fat Albert that worn down in a matter of weeks (under 2 months) and it feels like a totally different tire. I think the inward angled side knobs on the Schwalbe made it like to drift, while the Bronson bites unexpectedly hard, which is a strange feeling if you're used to sweeping the rear a bit to realign it behind the direction the front is pointed. That thing sticks so much that it makes it feel like you cornered with significantly more Gs at the same speed. I'm thinking about putting it up front and maybe putting a high roller out back. If my suspicion is right, that thing will let you take turns on your front tire alone and I'm familiar enough with the High Roller to push it to its limits.

    What I love about grippy tires like this is the ability to use the entire trail, no matter if there's 4 sets of cross crossing ruts covering the entire trail or a huge braking rut down the middle with gaps, dips, and bumps around it. It's just point and shoot, as it climbs up the sides of the ruts and sticks to your line on the off cambers. No worrying about it slipping back down into the rut like some other tires. No need to line them up 45 degrees or perpendicular to bumps. Makes it so much easier to blast through sections fast. I'd rather have the grip to have fun than to compromise to make climbs easier, especially since I'm not racing. Though, I hear Joe Lawwill wins Super Ds with the Bronson up front [and, I think, a Weirwolf in the back].

    I haven't tried 'em in 29er though. 29ers can get away with less aggressive tires, in my experience.

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    Anyone running Continental Tires? Trail Kings? Thinking about giving them a shot . . .
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    I've run the 2.4. They work very well in all conditions, very predictable, they rubber compound is great. Long lasting, not too slow for such a large tire.
    The 2.4 is a super tall high volume tire, the 2.2 is probably better for general riding.

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    I've ran the Trail King (AKA Rubber Queen) in 2.4 Tubeless. They were a very well behaved tire, very predictable, no sketchiness really in them alll, even when pushed close to their limit. The only reason I don't run them is because they died well before their tread wore out, due to the casing tearing (landing a moderate sized drop funny enough to twist the tire) or just springing a leak that was too big to hold air at a decent pressure (the bead was slightly damaged in one spot from mounting and unmounting it with standard yellow pedro's plastic tire levers). Both issues were denied warranty due to "tear", under the wear and tear clause.

    Beware there's a few rubber compounds they use. They have a cheaper version that's made in in SE Asia and they have a higher quality version made in Germany which uses their Black Chili compound. Keep that in mind when you buy. Also, to the uninformed, it's easy to confuse Trail king with mountain king or whatever, and the cheap Mountain Kings happen to be the absolute worst tire I've ever tried on SoCal dirt.

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    Does anybody have experience with Nobby Nics? How do they compare to Nevegals?

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    I'm also interested in the Nobby Nic's, but it seems that Schwalbes have a rather short useable life in comparison to some other brands. I am particularly interested in the Hans Dampf, as I hear it really is all that it claims to be. But at $90 a pop and for some folks claiming to get less than a year, that ain't so good.

    I'm thinking I am going to give the Rubber Queen 2.2s a try when I get my new wheelset up.
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    The Nobby Nics I tried (26x2.25) are much faster feeling, but a lot sketchier. You don't have that "sure-grip" feeling with them. They have sort of a light on its feet feel to them, more attuned to riders that like to skip over obstacles, touch and go, drift, and spend a lot of time with their tires off the ground or biting at an angle, rather than to riders who take it easy and roll over everything steadily, preferring to stick to the ground and staying mostly upright. I think you have to have that certain riding style to really like them, else you won't know what's so great about them.

    I find their angled side knobs create the sweetest controlled drifts ever--you just need to trust them and not be afraid to get a little sideways or sketchy or insecure. They're something I wouldn't recommend to a beginner used to Nevegals unless I knew they were aiming for that riding style (mimicking the likes of some noteworthy "shredders" in the mtb world, like Aaron Gwin). The trails around me don't really promote that style of riding (lots of wide rutted trails on slow rolling hills). I have to note that I do welcome that kind of controlled drift feel on the rear of my bike. They just seem much better suited for tight twisty & fast and relatively smooth XCish singletrack trails.

    Fat Alberts have a similar design, with more rubber on them, meant for a bit gnarilier stuff, but then you really need to have some bigger balls, since their light and sketchy feel requires a loose and highly adaptive riding style. I had a set of Fat Alberts on my Yeti that I almost fully wore down and I definitely didn't have an urge to replace them with the same. The Yeti gets so fast that it's scary with those tires. Under the the right rider, they would definitely be fun though, as I get the biggest rushes when I nail sections and the tire just gets through it oh so sweetly. I need to build up some strength so I can wrangle my bike a bit better, since I'm getting the barely able to hold on feeling on some descents and, from that feeling, I tend to do more plowing instead of unweighting/pumping, which throws me off even more, notably on trails like M-trail and Two Trees at Box Springs Mtn.

    A riding buddy of mine also had some Nobby Nics on his 575 and found they weren't so great for conditions here. He flatted on creek crossings and it felt too sketchy for him, since it liked to bounce around a bit. I think he ended up getting Spec Purgatories.
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    Thanks for the insight Varaxis. I'm already drifting my Kendas around on trails like Jedi, so perhaps Nobby Nics aren't a good match for me. That's too bad, because my weight weenie tendencies are at complete odds with the terrain I'm riding.

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    That's just your trail... that area is so loose and dusty that it makes other parts of SoCal look like hero dirt when in their dusty and dry conditions. You just need experience/technique honestly, for those parts. If Nevegals are drifting, I think 90% of other tires would drift. I dunno, try Muddy Mary maybe? They're about the same weight as the Nevegals. The taller lugs helps give a bit more security in the really deep loose parts.

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    I disagree. I live in the North County area of SD and 90% of my riding is done in SoCal. think Nobby Nics are the best front tire I've ever used and they lasted me almost (6) months riding at least twice a week. To be honest, I get rid of tires earlier than most people so most would think there was still plenty of tread life left when I took it off. That being said, $90 a pop is still silly to me.

    I ride a Tallboy and ran them at about 28-30 psi. Compared to Nevegals, they are the best tire on the planet at any price. I used to drink the Nevegal kool-aid until I tried something else. Now I wouldn't run Nevegals, front or rear, if they were free. My favorite all around tire, taking cost into consideration, is the Geax Saguaro. I just ordered some for $38 for the TNT version from Price Point. They are great tires for SoCal conditions and last longer than any tire I've ever had (so far). I'm currently running the Panaracer CG tires. They are nice tires as well...long lasting and priced nicely. I think they corner a touch better than the Saguaros but the Saguaros defintely seem to run faster.

    I have a buddy who runs the Hans Dampf on both ends on his carbon Nomad. He says they are the best tire he's ever had. I wouldn't say they are wearing down too fast but he said this weekend his rear is starting to lose grip. He rides 3 days a week and put them on in late September.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OneTimeCRX View Post
    Does anybody have experience with Nobby Nics? How do they compare to Nevegals?
    I have used both and prefer the Nobby Nics at the front 26 x2.25. They are lighter (an honest 540 grams), roll faster and grip much better. (Keep in mind that a 1.95 DTC Kenda is 530 grams and a 2.10 Kenda is well over 600 grams)

    Downside, yes they are expensive and can be hard to get.

    I will not go back to Nevegals unless there is no other choice. Rotating mass and traction trump cost.

    +1 for Panaracer Fire XC Pro. Good traction, light and inexpensive what is not to like?
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    Quote Originally Posted by k2rider1964 View Post
    I disagree. I live in the North County area of SD and 90% of my riding is done in SoCal. think Nobby Nics are the best front tire I've ever used and they lasted me almost (6) months riding at least twice a week. To be honest, I get rid of tires earlier than most people so most would think there was still plenty of tread life left when I took it off. That being said, $90 a pop is still silly to me.

    I ride a Tallboy and ran them at about 28-30 psi. Compared to Nevegals, they are the best tire on the planet at any price. I used to drink the Nevegal kool-aid until I tried something else. Now I wouldn't run Nevegals, front or rear, if they were free. My favorite all around tire, taking cost into consideration, is the Geax Saguaro. I just ordered some for $38 for the TNT version from Price Point. They are great tires for SoCal conditions and last longer than any tire I've ever had (so far). I'm currently running the Panaracer CG tires. They are nice tires as well...long lasting and priced nicely. I think they corner a touch better than the Saguaros but the Saguaros defintely seem to run faster.

    I have a buddy who runs the Hans Dampf on both ends on his carbon Nomad. He says they are the best tire he's ever had. I wouldn't say they are wearing down too fast but he said this weekend his rear is starting to lose grip. He rides 3 days a week and put them on in late September.
    I tested the Nobby Nics favorably on hardpacked decomposed granite (coarse loose over hardpack). I noted that it was a vast contrast to the Nevegal, being much faster and lighter feeling. To rephrase what I said, I felt they encouraged you to hammer fast and get out of the saddle and attack the trail more aggressively. If it didn't have the grip, there's no way you'd have the confidence to do that, but I basically discovered that it's sort of a false confidence, as its limits in its grip are not that great (esp. compared to the Nevegal's grip). I rode Nevegal DTC 2.35 on a Reign X0 (and on my Kona Dawg before I went to High Roller 2.35), both overkill for trails like Sycamore Canyon and much of Big Bear, making pedaling a serious chore; I thought it was the altitude of Big Bear, but I took another bike there with different tires and discovered otherwise. Taking the Nobby Nics to various other areas... when you go down a few times with them, trying to be a badass, you will know it's not a coincidence. Hell, you should know if you push your current trails hard enough on them that their grip limits aren't that high. They're a fast lightweight trail tire--I guess you can call me a fool for trying to push it like a grippier "AM" tire and finding its limits to not be higher than its "class of tires", but with people implying its grip is so great (without specifying what exactly they're comparing it to), I feel a need to put it into context.

    By suggesting those other tires, you clue me into what kind of trails you ride and what style you ride with. Basically the same kind of style and trails I ride, pedal fast and hard, attacking aggressively, especially for sections you find fun, finding a nice balance of your own skill's limits and bike's limits, while being efficient and being able to do it for hours. On the trails I like the Nobby Nics on, I actually like micro knob tires better on (Ikons specifically, not the SB8) and currently also run the Panaracer CG tires, since they make my XC bike feel as capable as a bigger bike. They're great light loose over hardpack tires. Expect to get flak for saying anything is the best, especially if you point out cons about them...

    You prob just misunderstood my post as something negative about the NN for SoCal dirt. I'm more or less just doing a comparison of the NN vs the Nevegal. The Nevegal is a solid choice for a "beginner" wanting to ride more features and giving confidence riding new trails you haven't ridden before, as it provides a secure grip on lots of stuff. It's just slow and feels heavier than it really is. It gives other tires in its weight range a bad name, making plp avoid tires in that range in fear that they're as slow. The NN is better for fast hardpack that lets you lean and rewards a more aggressive style. The better you know your trails and limits, the more you get out of the NN, implying Nevegals are more of a starter tire and NN more of an advanced rider's tire that knows what they want in a tire.

    I have 2 riding buddies riding Purgatories on their Nomads. One's a clyde that really knows how to spec his bike with reliable good performing parts. I can't really say much about the tires, since I only rode them when I took my friend's new Enduro for a spin (too big for me to ride seriously), but that was good enough to seriously give me a good impression of them. I was leaving sharp marks on the trail from pushing them so hard and they barely made any of that scratching sound that tires usually make at the limit of their traction. Took 'em to Mammoth, Big Bear. Skyline, Skinsuit, Sycamore, Two Trees, M-Trail... they worked well everywhere and I should note that he's a complete beginner. He was a trail runner that simply wanted to try mtn biking due to seeing how fun it looked when he encountered bikers on the trail. Seems like a good general suggestion for most looking for a tire with that level of secure grip, on the level of the Nevegal, but faster and only about $50 ea, which is reasonable for a high performance tire.

    Since he pointed out what trail he rides, it makes it easier to know how to answer that NN vs Nevegal question. The NN is going to be undoubtedly worse for him.
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    Nevegal in the front and Slant Six in the back. Seems to be working pretty well. Moved from Nevegal both front and back, and I can see a big difference in less rolling resistance with the Slant Six.

    Undecided about what my next experiment will be with in the front, possibly a Maxxis Ardent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varaxis View Post
    Since he pointed out what trail he rides, it makes it easier to know how to answer that NN vs Nevegal question. The NN is going to be undoubtedly worse for him.
    Thanks again for all the insight everyone! My problem personally is that I suck compared to all of you - I have much lower strength, stamina, and skills. (But compared to the avg normal person, I'm one of those crazy extreme people.) My normal ride in the Santa Monica Mountains consists of:

    1. 1 hour road riding to the trailhead.
    2. Riding up Sullivan Canyon.
    3. Riding Farmers Ridge/Bent Arrow.
    4. Riding down Sullivan Ridge/Jedi.
    5. Riding through Squirrel Cage & back down Sullivan Canyon.
    6. 45 minute road ride back home.

    I've been doing this for ages yet I can't make it past #2 before I get really bad leg cramps & muscle weakness... Bad enough that I can't stand up. After I start #3 I'm just limping along hoping I make it back home.

    I was hoping to find something that slows me down less than Nevegals, yet is good for all the different terrain I go through. I'm 130 lbs and ride a light trail bike (Giant Trance X1), so I feel every gram that I carry. If I can find a tyre that delays my cramping, maybe I can focus more on technique than not collapsing while I'm on Jedi etc.

    Maybe I'll try Panaracer Fire XC Pro's next...

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    Quote Originally Posted by OneTimeCRX View Post
    Thanks again for all the insight everyone! My problem personally is that I suck compared to all of you - I have much lower strength, stamina, and skills. (But compared to the avg normal person, I'm one of those crazy extreme people.) My normal ride in the Santa Monica Mountains consists of:

    1. 1 hour road riding to the trailhead.
    2. Riding up Sullivan Canyon.
    3. Riding Farmers Ridge/Bent Arrow.
    4. Riding down Sullivan Ridge/Jedi.
    5. Riding through Squirrel Cage & back down Sullivan Canyon.
    6. 45 minute road ride back home.

    I've been doing this for ages yet I can't make it past #2 before I get really bad leg cramps & muscle weakness... Bad enough that I can't stand up. After I start #3 I'm just limping along hoping I make it back home.

    I was hoping to find something that slows me down less than Nevegals, yet is good for all the different terrain I go through. I'm 130 lbs and ride a light trail bike (Giant Trance X1), so I feel every gram that I carry. If I can find a tyre that delays my cramping, maybe I can focus more on technique than not collapsing while I'm on Jedi etc.

    Maybe I'll try Panaracer Fire XC Pro's next...
    Errrrr . . . maybe drive to the TH?! Props that you can make it through that loop including a road ride up mandeville . . . I know I couldn't do that in my current condition. But if its making it so that you don't enjoy the dirt as much, maybe drive to the TH and extend the ride time on the trails?
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    Quote Originally Posted by OO7 View Post
    Errrrr . . . maybe drive to the TH?! Props that you can make it through that loop including a road ride up mandeville . . . I know I couldn't do that in my current condition. But if its making it so that you don't enjoy the dirt as much, maybe drive to the TH and extend the ride time on the trails?
    I know that makes sense, but I feel like if I drive to the TH I'll be admitting defeat after all these years of trying to improve my conditioning. Including the bike, I'm carrying about 50% of my bodyweight in gear, so I'd like a lighter weight and faster rolling tyre that also won't kill me in the loose downhills. I don't care about the cost of them... But maybe I'm asking for too much in a tyre?

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    Quote Originally Posted by OneTimeCRX View Post
    I know that makes sense, but I feel like if I drive to the TH I'll be admitting defeat after all these years of trying to improve my conditioning. Including the bike, I'm carrying about 50% of my bodyweight in gear, so I'd like a lighter weight and faster rolling tyre that also won't kill me in the loose downhills. I don't care about the cost of them... But maybe I'm asking for too much in a tyre?
    Unless you have a SUPER heavy bike and are one tiny dude, I doubt you're carrying 50% of your weight in gear.

    But I digress . . . I think you should definitely take a look at the Schwalbes. I hear really good things about the NN's and RR's but I don't know what kind of longevity you'll get riding so much concrete. Good luck and let us know what you find!
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    Quote Originally Posted by OO7 View Post
    Unless you have a SUPER heavy bike and are one tiny dude, I doubt you're carrying 50% of your weight in gear.

    But I digress . . . I think you should definitely take a look at the Schwalbes. I hear really good things about the NN's and RR's but I don't know what kind of longevity you'll get riding so much concrete. Good luck and let us know what you find!
    Ok I exaggerated a little... I actually weighed everything, and it's only 46% of my body weight. Hydration, armour, and the bike are the major contributors, and I wouldn't go riding without any of them. On a heavy eat-an-8x8-at-In-and-Out day, I weigh up to 130 lbs. So yes, I'm tiny! (And I eat like a python...)

    I'm really tempted to try NN's. The worst that can happen is that I don't like them & mount them on bike #2 instead. I don't mind if they wear out fast or are expensive. The cost of tyres are nothing compared to the rest of the bike!

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    Quote Originally Posted by OneTimeCRX View Post
    Ok I exaggerated a little... I actually weighed everything, and it's only 46% of my body weight. Hydration, armour, and the bike are the major contributors, and I wouldn't go riding without any of them. On a heavy eat-an-8x8-at-In-and-Out day, I weigh up to 130 lbs. So yes, I'm tiny! (And I eat like a python...)

    I'm really tempted to try NN's. The worst that can happen is that I don't like them & mount them on bike #2 instead. I don't mind if they wear out fast or are expensive. The cost of tyres are nothing compared to the rest of the bike!
    Possible stupid question, but flats or clip-ins? With all that gear I'm thinking flats. If you're concerned about fitness, ditch the armor, get clip ins and simply dont chuck 10 foot drops.

    Again, if fitness is your primary concern, you probably shouldn't be riding an 8" 50 lb pig with flats. I really hope you're not :X Also, tires could stand to be between #260 and #500 on your list of things to improve. They're simply not that big of a deal in the grand scheme of things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by probiscus View Post
    Possible stupid question, but flats or clip-ins? With all that gear I'm thinking flats. If you're concerned about fitness, ditch the armor, get clip ins and simply dont chuck 10 foot drops.

    Again, if fitness is your primary concern, you probably shouldn't be riding an 8" 50 lb pig with flats. I really hope you're not :X Also, tires could stand to be between #260 and #500 on your list of things to improve. They're simply not that big of a deal in the grand scheme of things.
    I'm using clip-ins, and my bike is a 30lb 5" travel bike that's probably too wimpy for the trails I ride. There's no way I'm skimping on hydration or tools since I'm out there for 4-5 hours alone, and the armour has saved me enough times that it's not something I'll compromise.

    Fitness isn't my main objective, it's just that these leg cramps are getting in the way of all the fun downhill sections. I'll just have to keep on pushing my limits & hopefully one day be fit enough to hang with you guys.

    Sorry for the digression; I wanted to talk about tyres, really! I'll try the UST NN's next!

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    5" bike is a lot to ride around for 4-5 hours. Try toning it down, as others have said. Tires aren't going to help what you need to work on.

    Also, w/r/t leg cramps, where are they? Calves? That could be improper clip positioning on the shoe. Have you tried pickle juice for the cramps, or salt/electrolyte supplements? You're carrying around too much **** and tires really aren't the issue.

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    I'm sure that tyres won't fix my problem, but every little bit helps. These Nevegals feel like riding in the sand.

    Regardless of what I do (I've even tried riding with no armour & minimal hydration on shorter rides), I always get cramps in my quads at the same moment - when I'm spinning uphill near the top of Sully Cyn and have to stick a knee out to the side for balance. That small movement of my legs to the side is enough to start the whole cramping process, and before I know it both my quads are locking up and if I'm unlucky my hamstrings also cramp up. If I drop my seatpost I can delay the cramping a little, but I just end up cramping a different section of my quads. It's inevitable.

    I use Cytomax in my hydration pack plus I go through 2 packs of "cramp buster" Clif Bloks. By the time I'm done with my ride my face & clothes are covered in salts.

    If I could get rid of my cramps I'd end up riding a few hours longer until something else physically stops me. If I could ride forever I would literally do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OneTimeCRX View Post
    I use Cytomax in my hydration pack plus I go through 2 packs of "cramp buster" Clif Bloks. By the time I'm done with my ride my face & clothes are covered in salts.
    Eat sunflower seeds and bananas during the week. Both do wonders for cramping. No idea which tyre will help you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OneTimeCRX View Post
    I'm sure that tyres won't fix my problem, but every little bit helps. These Nevegals feel like riding in the sand.
    I think you need a revelation more than tires. Someone needs to get you on a reliable single speed and have you put 2 small water bottles on it and have you put your tools in your pockets or fix them to the frame (trim that down to just one multi-tool or none at all). No spare tube, no armor, just you, your shoes, helmet, and some light clothes (don't even need chamois, since there will be so little weight resting in the saddle) and you hopping on your bike like that. Just rely on your bike and your skills to get you through and back safely. That would be the exact opposite of what you're doing. Once you do that, you will realize the amount of freedom you have and how much fun it enables you to have. Your ass won't be sore at the end of the ride, you will maneuver out of the saddle more, you will be more willing to push your techniques more. All excess weight you're carrying is holding you back about 2,000% more than your tires.

    Also, you're not riding in sand?
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    I always get cramps in my quads at the same moment - when I'm spinning uphill near the top of Sully Cyn and have to stick a knee out to the side for balance. That small movement of my legs to the side is enough to start the whole cramping process, and before I know it both my quads are locking up and if I'm unlucky my hamstrings also cramp up. If I drop my seatpost I can delay the cramping a little, but I just end up cramping a different section of my quads. It's inevitable.
    This to me sounds like a bike fitment issue. Have you had a proper professional bike fit? Maybe just going in with your rig to have them review your setup might be worthwhile.

    Secondly, have you tried flats lately? Greater freedom of movement on the pedal might make a big difference. It'd be a SIMPLE and CHEAP experiment. You could grab a set of flats for uber cheap, maybe even free if you have a good relationship with your LBS, to test it out.

    I'm curious, what kind of bike do you ride that you think its too wimpy? I've ridden most of the major trails near West LA including Jedi, etc. on my Blur LT and feel most of the time that I have TOO much bike. Not trying to flame . . . just curious
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