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    Yep, it gets crazy with all the choices. The 4s you have are sweet. Try a 2.3 or 2.35 (depending if you have a 26 or 29) on the front. This will give you front end cornering security. Put a 3 on back--it's lighter, faster, a little less aggro than the 4 but will climb great.
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    After diggin through 8 pages of suggestions, I feel more lost than when I started. Right now I have the factory XR4's on my Fuel EX6. I ride alot around the San Diego areo primarily including Hollenbeck, Anderson Truck Trail and sometimes around Otay Lake. A majority of the trail surface is packed, dry dirt with a few loose rocks. I want something that can hold in the corners at higher speeds but not add too much weight on the big climbs.

    Right now I am leaning towards a 2.4 Maxxis Ardent in the front and a 2.1 Kenda Nevegal in the rear. I have even been considering the Schwalbe Nobby Nics that I have read about numerous times in here in a 2.4 and 2.25 setup. Any feedback or something you reccomend that I look into?

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    I had a nice long post typed out then my computer crashed.

    The short of it: I'll never run a Schwalbe tire in the rear again. Lasted less than 2 months. My Hans Dampf, however, is the best front tire I've ever run.

    I'll be throwing a Conti Trail King or Specialized Ground Control on to replace the Nobby Nic. I have experience with WTB Moto's (I'd give them a B- . . . . just a hair above Average) and WTB Bronson's which were pretty great tires.
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    I've had Schwalbe hans front and rear on my enduro and muddy Mary's on glory. Unfortunately I can't commentbon wear and longevity cause I've been running the hans a short time. The muddy Mary's are downhill tires and if I can get a season out them I'll be happy.

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    Nevegal is a decent front tire, but unless you need lots of rear tire grip, I wouldn't run one on the back. Too slow rolling, and there are tires that grip better and roll better too, like (if you're on 26" wheels) the 2.2" Kenda Telonix for just one example. Cut the little round side knobs off of a Maxxis Crossmark, and they make a decent rear tire that is lighweight, and rolls very well. the Specialized Ground Control is also a very good rear tire (get the Control version, not the S-Works [sidewalls too thin on the S-Works]). Honestly, as long as you're not running something skimpy like a Small Block 8, there are loads of tires that will work just fine as a rear tire. I would avoid tires that have soft, very large side knobs here because they get squirmy on the hard pack turns. they're great when you have soft hero dirt, but we don't get that much during the summer.

    JMHO.

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    My Nevegals are awesome. Yeah, they aren't the fastest tire in the world, but man do those things rail the turns. Couldn't be happier

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    Quote Originally Posted by Island20v View Post
    After diggin through 8 pages of suggestions, I feel more lost than when I started. Right now I have the factory XR4's on my Fuel EX6. I ride alot around the San Diego areo primarily including Hollenbeck, Anderson Truck Trail and sometimes around Otay Lake. A majority of the trail surface is packed, dry dirt with a few loose rocks. I want something that can hold in the corners at higher speeds but not add too much weight on the big climbs.

    Right now I am leaning towards a 2.4 Maxxis Ardent in the front and a 2.1 Kenda Nevegal in the rear. I have even been considering the Schwalbe Nobby Nics that I have read about numerous times in here in a 2.4 and 2.25 setup. Any feedback or something you reccomend that I look into?
    The tire setup you are leaning towards right now is the one that I have used with great satisfaction on San Diego area trails for the last few years.

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    I have been leaning towards the Ground Controls but they haven't released the 26x2.3 yet which is what I would like to run up front with a 2.1 in the rear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Island20v View Post
    I have been leaning towards the Ground Controls but they haven't released the 26x2.3 yet which is what I would like to run up front with a 2.1 in the rear.
    I take that back. Was looking at them yesterday and they weren't available but they must have released them today. Going to order a 2.3 and 2.1. We will see how they are compared to the XR4s. Worse case I just rotate the XR4 to the rear and pick up a larger front tire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Island20v View Post
    After diggin through 8 pages of suggestions, I feel more lost than when I started. Right now I have the factory XR4's on my Fuel EX6. I ride alot around the San Diego areo primarily including Hollenbeck, Anderson Truck Trail and sometimes around Otay Lake. A majority of the trail surface is packed, dry dirt with a few loose rocks. I want something that can hold in the corners at higher speeds but not add too much weight on the big climbs.

    Right now I am leaning towards a 2.4 Maxxis Ardent in the front and a 2.1 Kenda Nevegal in the rear. I have even been considering the Schwalbe Nobby Nics that I have read about numerous times in here in a 2.4 and 2.25 setup. Any feedback or something you reccomend that I look into?
    i just started riding this year and have a '13 fuel 7... it came with 2.2 xr3s front and rear.

    i never felt confident with those tires.

    i was reading the reviews here on mtbr.com on the xr4 and a reviewer suggested running an xr4 in the front and an xr1 in the rear.

    so, i did that but upgraded the front to a 2.3 and kept the 2.2 size in the rear.

    i really like that combo!!!

    i am pretty sure i do not ride as hard as you - lol - but i feel way better on the bike now

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    No one can tell you what tire will work for you. There's to many variables. The best thing to do is narrow it down to a few set ups and find out what works for you by trial and error. And even then you may find out that something completely different works better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JAvendan View Post
    i was reading the reviews here on mtbr.com on the xr4 and a reviewer suggested running an xr4 in the front and an xr1 in the rear.
    Might check that out later since they are available locally.

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    No one can tell you what tire will work for you. There's to many variables. The best thing to do is narrow it down to a few set ups and find out what works for you by trial and error. And even then you may find out that something completely different works better.
    That is kind of what I am starting to realize. We will see how those ground controls work. Gonna order an extra XR4 in 2.3 just in case though.

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    I just put the new Kenda Honey Badger's on my Sir9 fully rigid SS. I have to say, OMG! these tires not only have amazing traction in this SoCal sandy covered rocks condition. It also gives me a nice cushy feel. I run them at 28psi but that's because I haven't gone tubeless with them yet. The high volume tire with durable sidewalls are begging to be Stanzed.
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    Ardent 2.4 in front
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Cycle Shawn View Post
    No one can tell you what tire will work for you. There's to many variables. The best thing to do is narrow it down to a few set ups and find out what works for you by trial and error. And even then you may find out that something completely different works better.
    This is unfortunately the truth . . . . and with how expensive tires are, it can be an expensive search. My gut tells me its like trying to find the perfect pillow . . . .
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    Best tire for So Cals dry dusty conditions?

    Decided against ordering a full new set and moved my 2.2 xr4 to the rear and picked up a 2.35 xr4 for the front. Let me just say its a day and night difference! Pita to mount the team issue at first but totally worth it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Island20v View Post
    Decided against ordering a full new set and moved my 2.2 xr4 to the rear and picked up a 2.35 xr4 for the front. Let me just say its a day and night difference! Pita to mount the team issue at first but totally worth it.
    This is a good approach . . . and cheaper. I've tried a number of tires now, and sometimes what works great as a front, might not work as a rear and vice versa.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 007 View Post
    This is unfortunately the truth . . . . and with how expensive tires are, it can be an expensive search. My gut tells me its like trying to find the perfect pillow . . . .
    Or the Holy Grail. That's how I've always though of it.

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    Best tire for So Cals dry dusty conditions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Island20v View Post
    Decided against ordering a full new set and moved my 2.2 xr4 to the rear and picked up a 2.35 xr4 for the front. Let me just say its a day and night difference! Pita to mount the team issue at first but totally worth it.
    glad to hear!

    i may swap my rear 2.2 xr1 rear to a 2.2 xr4 towards the end of year... depends on the weather and conditions.

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    Best tire for So Cals dry dusty conditions?

    That 2.35 up front was very helpful

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    Had very good luck with Schwalbe Rapid Robs in my area, if you have basically all hardpack and don't ride in mud or loose dirt they're super fast. Traction isn't great though, so not well suited for climbs. (I use mine for SuperD and mostly flat singletrack)

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    What are ya'lls opinion on this tire setup I'm thinking about going with.

    Front: Maxxis Ardent/Minion DHF/ DHR 2

    Rear: Maxxis Ignitor

    It's going on an all mountain bike and I race super d and DH with it in socal. I need something that rolls good (or at least better than Nevegals) yet has the stability I need at higher speeds.

    I ride all over from your typical socal trails to the softer mountain soil.

    Anyone have any experience or thoughts on how this setup would work. I'm running cut nevegals in the front (which I do like) and 2.35 nevegals in the rear (which I cant stand).
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    I would choose the Minion DHF over the Ardent for sure! Actually in my area Rocky and Dry, you couldnt pay me to run the Ardent on the front.. well maybe you could but it would have to be alot. The way they go from the center knob to the side knobs is way too sketchy for my taste!

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    Quote Originally Posted by RideMX104 View Post
    I would choose the Minion DHF over the Ardent for sure! Actually in my area Rocky and Dry, you couldnt pay me to run the Ardent on the front.. well maybe you could but it would have to be alot. The way they go from the center knob to the side knobs is way too sketchy for my taste!

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    Thank you for the help. That's what I was thinking when I was looking at the tread design.
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    Can someone tell me why everyone seems to run such narrow tires in the back here in So Cal?

    I understand the benefit of a wider tire in the front generally, my Yeti SB66c has a 2.4 upfront, and a 2.35 in the back. But that was my setup for East Coast riding... and now I have a feeling that I should change since the conditions are so drastically different here in So Cal, where I now live and ride.

    But 2.1 seems awfully narrow for this East Coaster. Is it to cut down through the loose surface dirt to get to a more stable layer of dirt?

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    They're doing it wrong. I need to find a happy medium, as I went so far as to pick up a magic mary for a front, and on my first ride was ripping side knobs off :/ Expensive mistake. The knobs are simply too tall for some of the more challenging laguna-area riding (steeps, rocks, etc). I was hoping they'd be the special sauce with all the dust, but they just get shredded extra fast instead.

    I've got a DHR2 on the rear, it's nice, but I won't ever recommend anyone getting soft compound rear tires - they're great for traction, but race-day-only. They blow up fast, just not quite as fast as the Magic Mary's up front. Too bad that's all some local shops sell (soft tires).

    Next set will be back to a HR2 rear and DHF on the front, unless someone wants to hook me up with some onza's - would be happy to try them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by probiscus View Post
    They're doing it wrong. I need to find a happy medium, as I went so far as to pick up a magic mary for a front, and on my first ride was ripping side knobs off :/ Expensive mistake. The knobs are simply too tall for some of the more challenging laguna-area riding (steeps, rocks, etc). I was hoping they'd be the special sauce with all the dust, but they just get shredded extra fast instead.

    I've got a DHR2 on the rear, it's nice, but I won't ever recommend anyone getting soft compound rear tires - they're great for traction, but race-day-only. They blow up fast, just not quite as fast as the Magic Mary's up front. Too bad that's all some local shops sell (soft tires).

    Next set will be back to a HR2 rear and DHF on the front, unless someone wants to hook me up with some onza's - would be happy to try them.
    Not quite sure this helps...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Master Slater View Post
    Can someone tell me why everyone seems to run such narrow tires in the back here in So Cal?

    I understand the benefit of a wider tire in the front generally, my Yeti SB66c has a 2.4 upfront, and a 2.35 in the back. But that was my setup for East Coast riding... and now I have a feeling that I should change since the conditions are so drastically different here in So Cal, where I now live and ride.

    But 2.1 seems awfully narrow for this East Coaster. Is it to cut down through the loose surface dirt to get to a more stable layer of dirt?
    kinda.

    I would go with something like the Hans Dampf in 2.35 or Conti Trail King in a 2.2 on the rear. you want something to cut through the dust and cling to the underneath but I wouldn't go narrow because its nice to have some cushion & extra contact area on rocks and other SoCal conditions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShiverMeTimbers View Post
    kinda.

    I would go with something like the Hans Dampf in 2.35 or Conti Trail King in a 2.2 on the rear. you want something to cut through the dust and cling to the underneath but I wouldn't go narrow because its nice to have some cushion & extra contact area on rocks and other SoCal conditions.
    Had Hans Dampfs and while they were great tires... I want to try a brand that doesn't disintegrate after a month of riding.

    How is the rolling resistance on the Trail King compared to a Hans Dampf?

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    Narrower rear with a less aggressive knobs will give you faster rolling and easier to brake loose. 2.35 front 2.25 rear for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by socalMX View Post
    Narrower rear with a less aggressive knobs will give you faster rolling and easier to brake loose. 2.35 front 2.25 rear for me.
    Or you could've just read my post...

    Anyways, back on track... How do people feel about the rolling resistance of the Trail Kings, particularly when compared to some other favorites.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Master Slater View Post
    Or you could've just read my post...

    Anyways, back on track... How do people feel about the rolling resistance of the Trail Kings, particularly when compared to some other favorites.
    You asked why people run narrow tires in So. Cal. Not sure what you mean about reading your post, I did and answered!

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    rolling resistance for Trail King vs. Hans Dampf? There has got to be a thread on that somewhere.

    I haven't run the HD myself, but I know Contis last a lot longer and the Black Chili compound is great.

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    I ride out of OC...

    On my Megatrail (27.5) for Summit I run HR II exo 2.4 rear and Hans Damf 2.35 Trailstar front. I've only got about 15 hours on the Hans Damf but so far it's been good. For everyday use I run a Nobby Nic 2.25 in the rear.

    On my Reign (26") for everyday use rear I run Ardent 2.25 rear and Conti Mountain King Black Chili 2.4 in the front.

    I love the Ardent as a rear tire...I'm running 33mm rims on my 27.5 and the Nobby Nic feels squirmy...I'll probably replace it with an Ardent when it wears down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by colbatguano View Post
    I ride out of OC...

    On my Megatrail (27.5) for Summit I run HR II exo 2.4 rear and Hans Damf 2.35 Trailstar front. I've only got about 15 hours on the Hans Damf but so far it's been good. For everyday use I run a Nobby Nic 2.25 in the rear.

    On my Reign (26") for everyday use rear I run Ardent 2.25 rear and Conti Mountain King Black Chili 2.4 in the front.

    I love the Ardent as a rear tire...I'm running 33mm rims on my 27.5 and the Nobby Nic feels squirmy...I'll probably replace it with an Ardent when it wears down.
    you have a megatrail? what size? I'm in the market for a new bike and that's one i'm considering so really interested in hearing your thoughts.


    I really like the maxxis exo 2.5 minion fr and 2.4 highroller or ardent rr for the full suspension and larsen tt rr for the hardtail.
    nothing witty here...

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2w4s View Post
    you have a megatrail? what size? I'm in the market for a new bike and that's one i'm considering so really interested in hearing your thoughts.


    I really like the maxxis exo 2.5 minion fr and 2.4 highroller or ardent rr for the full suspension and larsen tt rr for the hardtail.
    Believe the hype. I started off looking to go down in travel from a 2006 Reign 1 (152/160) to get more fun out of mellower trails. Demoed the 134, 5010C, Trance, Rocky Mountain and more and was leaning towards the 134. Drove 4 hours to demo a Megatrail in a medium and ordered a large the next day. In Trail Mode the Megatrail has all of the pop of the 134 (but less flex) and in Gravity Mode it gobbles more gnar than the 153. For me it's the do-it-all bike, from downhill to trail rides. It's not the lightest (31.1 lbs with Light Bicycle carbon rims) but that's perfect for me because at 245lbs in gear I could feel flex frame/rear triangle flex in every other bike including the carbon frames. Climbs better than my Reign and at least as well as any of the others, and better than the 134 and 153...traction for days.

    Sure, on long XC rides a 5010C or the like is going to require less energy, but I go up so I can go down.

    I've crashed it hard a few times and every time I do look at that burly raw aluminum frame, touch it up with a scratch pad, and imagine how bummed I'd be if I had chewed up a carbon frame. Don't get me wrong, I like carbon and if the Megatrail came in a similarly burly composite frame I'd certainly consider it...but delamination, cracks and chips are something I don't have to worry about.

    The only thing I might do different is go with a CCDB-CS instead of the Inline. The Inline is great and blows away the PUSH'd RP3 on the Reign, but I'm at the weight limit and have to run it close to max PSI to get the sag where I want it, so I'm concerned about blowing seals. I'm on the fence about that one though, because the Inline is about 5oz. lighter.

    The new Nomad looks nice too, didn't get a chance to demo one of those, but no regrets with the Megatrail.
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    awesome, thanks for the info. I think it's down to this or the knolly warden, doesn't sound like either are a bad bike. did you have an angleset on the reign? i would think the slacker HT angle on the GG alone would make it hands down a better descender but it's good to hear about the traction going uphill. i had a short shocked bullit with a z1 about 10 years ago, 65HA and 12.5bb and that thing could go anywhere, it was a true mini DH bike, the megatrail kind of reminds me of that bike but modern.
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    You might try the different compounds of Hans Dampf. I've got the "trailstar" 2.35 front and the harder "pacestar" 2.25 rear, holding up pretty good for me after 5 months. You could also try a 2.25 Ardent on the rear and keep the HD on the front.

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    I was a HD user until I tried Minions and now I don't miss the HD at all, and the minions cornering are much better and more predictable. HD just wear out to quick and knobs break apart to easy. Running 2.3 Exo 3c TR Minion DHF in the front and 2.3 Exo DC TR Minion DHR2 in the rear. Love this combo, if I wanted less rolling resistance I would try an Ardent but I'd rather sacrifice and have the better braking especially with the trail conditions now with no rain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Master Slater View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Master Slater View Post
    Can someone tell me why everyone seems to run such narrow tires in the back here in So Cal?
    False premise.

    To repeat, either people who are running 'narrow' rear tires: 1) are doing it wrong, or 2) they're XC-types in which case, see 1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2w4s View Post
    awesome, thanks for the info. I think it's down to this or the knolly warden, doesn't sound like either are a bad bike. did you have an angleset on the reign? i would think the slacker HT angle on the GG alone would make it hands down a better descender but it's good to hear about the traction going uphill. i had a short shocked bullit with a z1 about 10 years ago, 65HA and 12.5bb and that thing could go anywhere, it was a true mini DH bike, the megatrail kind of reminds me of that bike but modern.
    Knolly Warden looks good too, couldn't find one to demo. If you ride around OC or want to make the drive you are welcome to take a ride on my Megatrail. Just send me PM if so. It's a large, 50mm stem, with 800mm bars, 27.5".

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    Quote Originally Posted by probiscus View Post
    False premise.

    To repeat, either people who are running 'narrow' rear tires: 1) are doing it wrong, or 2) they're XC-types in which case, see 1.
    To this point I've only ever ridden Bontrager XR's, which are excellent tires. And various Schwalbe offerings. Which are also excellent, but are pricey and don't last me for more than a couple months.

    I'm venturing out to another brand, and picked up a Conti Trail King 2.4 for the front, and a Trail King 2.2 for the rear.

    As far as rolling resistance is concerned with such high profile knobs, I'd rather have the traction in the loose conditions, and just pedal if I need to go faster.

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    Recently I replaced my front and rear tires. Based on the reviews of the fellow forum members. I decided to try a Minion DHR II EXO in the rear. Previously I was running a Mountain King. Which by the way, I did not like. I've paired the Minion with a Trail King 2.4 out front. So far I am very pleased with this setup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mdemm View Post
    Recently I replaced my front and rear tires. Based on the reviews of the fellow forum members. I decided to try a Minion DHR II EXO in the rear. Previously I was running a Mountain King. Which by the way, I did not like. I've paired the Minion with a Trail King 2.4 out front. So far I am very pleased with this setup.
    What didn't you like about the Mountain King? Were you running it in the back?

    The DHR just seems like overkill to me. But maybe it's popularity proves me wrong.

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    DHR's are just bad rolling, but good cornering / braking tires.

    If cornering and braking are 'less' important to you, don't bother People generally run slightly 'thinner' rears b/c if you're going to initiate a slide, you want the rear breaking loose first.

    Nobody here is going to be able to tell you what's good / bad for you. Ride your bike and figure it out for yourself. If you don't want to hear what's worked for us, don't ask :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by probiscus View Post
    DHR's are just bad rolling, but good cornering / braking tires.

    If cornering and braking are 'less' important to you, don't bother People generally run slightly 'thinner' rears b/c if you're going to initiate a slide, you want the rear breaking loose first.

    Nobody here is going to be able to tell you what's good / bad for you. Ride your bike and figure it out for yourself. If you don't want to hear what's worked for us, don't ask :P
    1.) I've ran DHR's on my downhill bike, but that was all on hard pack. The do brake amazingly well. But pedaling them up hill? Never had the opportunity!

    2.) Actually, I'm not concerned with cornering and braking at the moment. For the time being, I'm more concerned with how well the tires will track in a straight line and with light steering input.

    3.) I assumed (and was told by someone earlier in the thread) that people ran narrower tires in the back to decrease flotation. Basically so the tire can "cut" down through the sand to get to the grippier layer of dirt. Wider tires will essentially "float" more readily in loose conditions, an attribute I'd like to experience less.

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    Of all the tires I've tried recently (probably 5-7 different types) I haven't ever noticed 'weird' behavior with straight line tracking that wasn't otherwise attributable to trail conditions. Honestly, with the loose stuff we have here there's not a tire that's going to be able to help given our lack of rain. Interestingly enough I'd equate unwanted squirm more to taller blocks than anything else.

    To that point: I went to the extreme end (thinking taller blocks would help) and have been running a magic mary front (almost a spike tire) and found it doesn't help when the soil gets really loose. In fact, the opposite is true, I just started ripping knobs off on the first ride b/c (I presume) the side knobs were too tall, and flexed too much. Then they get squirrel-y when the side knobs have no structure/integrity.

    If you want a trial by fire to just get used to poor trail conditions, "ride" sewer drop in aliso during the summer. :X Not much will bother you if you can run that whole trail out.

    Also shouldn't leaning vs. turning help eliminate that steering input issue, along with more weight over the front? Alternatively, if you have a specific trail in mind (w/r/t steering input issues) we might be able to suss out a helper/fix.

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    Quote Originally Posted by probiscus View Post
    Of all the tires I've tried recently (probably 5-7 different types) I haven't ever noticed 'weird' behavior with straight line tracking that wasn't otherwise attributable to trail conditions. Honestly, with the loose stuff we have here there's not a tire that's going to be able to help given our lack of rain. Interestingly enough I'd equate unwanted squirm more to taller blocks than anything else.

    To that point: I went to the extreme end (thinking taller blocks would help) and have been running a magic mary front (almost a spike tire) and found it doesn't help when the soil gets really loose. In fact, the opposite is true, I just started ripping knobs off on the first ride b/c (I presume) the side knobs were too tall, and flexed too much. Then they get squirrel-y when the side knobs have no structure/integrity.

    If you want a trial by fire to just get used to poor trail conditions, "ride" sewer drop in aliso during the summer. :X Not much will bother you if you can run that whole trail out.

    Also shouldn't leaning vs. turning help eliminate that steering input issue, along with more weight over the front? Alternatively, if you have a specific trail in mind (w/r/t steering input issues) we might be able to suss out a helper/fix.
    Well... the Conti Mountain Kings I ordered should be a good experiment nontheless

    Yeah, I'm still getting used to the dirt here. The steering and weighting/unweighting the front is much different from what I've been riding for the last couple years.

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    Re: Best tire for So Cals dry dusty conditions?

    Anyone using a ROCK RAZOR on the rear?

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    I've run 4 sets of tires here:
    29er/100mm travel XC bike:
    Rocket Rons: Came with one of my bikes, got tore up fast. Quickly replaced.
    Purgatory front / Captain Rear: Big upgrade from Rocket Rons, better grip, better wear.

    160mm travel all-mountain bike:
    high roller 2.35 UST: Low volume casing for a 2.35 tire. I felt like I had a lot of rim strikes and "pinging" around between rocks in baseball to softball sized chunk.
    Trail King 2.4 UST front / rear: Current set up, very heavy. Very high volume. Feels great in chunk, can run at low pressures (20-24 psi @ 170 lbs), corners better than all the above for me. Handles well in sand and decomposed granite where smaller volume tires get stuck. I may try the mountain king 2.4 or trail king 2.2 rear when the rear tire wears out.

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    I've run Nobby Nics in the past and they were okay for most trails. Now I'm running tubeless 2.3 XR3s front and back and am loving them at lower pressures.
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    I rode Chunky Monkeys front and rear 'til it just became too much of a burden on the climbs. Really good grip in our conditions, but just too slow. Switched out to a fat XC tire - a 2.35 Ikon. Rolls a TON better, is lighter, and is predictable in terms of grip.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moldau94 View Post
    Anyone using a ROCK RAZOR on the rear?
    Yes, that's what I'm running now. Tire was great in the grippy dirt of the North East. Out here, not so much. It's prob a godsend on those fire road climbs. But since I'm new to these trail conditions, I'm about to mount a Trail King in the back, and we'll see just how much of a difference that makes.

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    i have veloceraptors on my bike currently, what are the MAXXIS tires everyone has in every picture?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrmattjohnson View Post
    i have veloceraptors on my bike currently, what are the MAXXIS tires everyone has in every picture?
    I see a lot of Ardent (great in the back, awful for front IMO) and Highrollers on the bigger bikes.

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    Do you know the veloceraptors? How would they compare to those? thanks for your help!


    Quote Originally Posted by kragu View Post
    I see a lot of Ardent (great in the back, awful for front IMO) and Highrollers on the bigger bikes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrmattjohnson View Post
    Do you know the veloceraptors? How would they compare to those? thanks for your help!
    I've never tried the Velociraptor, but it's an XC tire. Skinny, efficient, probably not awesome in aggressive applications, but that's just a guess.

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    the bike i am hoping to get comes stock with Schwalbe tires.... any good?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrmattjohnson View Post
    the bike i am hoping to get comes stock with Schwalbe tires.... any good?
    Schwalbe makes some of the best tires out there... BUT they aren't know for their longevity. They wear down very quickly.

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    the bike i am hoping to get comes stock with Schwalbe tires.... any good?
    So good for about 50-100 miles. After that, you'll start to notice wear, and performance drops off significantly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrmattjohnson View Post
    the bike i am hoping to get comes stock with Schwalbe tires.... any good?
    I had the Schwalbe Fat Alberts on my Intense Uzzi. I ran tubeless on Mavic 823's.

    I recently switched to Kenda Nevegal. Night and day.. hands down the Nevegals hook up better on SoCals dry hardpack. Cornering is infinitely better on the Kenda's on that dry scratchy stuff. The knobs cut in much better, hold the grip better, and are more predictable when you break loose.

    Kenda's roll better, are a little cheaper, and last longer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stuffshredman View Post
    I had the Schwalbe Fat Alberts on my Intense Uzzi. I ran tubeless on Mavic 823's.

    I recently switched to Kenda Nevegal. Night and day.. hands down the Nevegals hook up better on SoCals dry hardpack. Cornering is infinitely better on the Kenda's on that dry scratchy stuff. The knobs cut in much better, hold the grip better, and are more predictable when you break loose.

    Kenda's roll better, are a little cheaper, and last longer.
    How are the Kenda's for tubeless? I had some trouble the once I tried them, but that could just have been me.

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    So when i get that bike ill run those tires down then swap them to a more durable tire. What is the typical mileage on good tires now a days? I know each are probably specific, but the avg kinda thing. thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrmattjohnson View Post
    Do you know the veloceraptors? How would they compare to those? thanks for your help!
    Quote Originally Posted by kragu View Post
    I've never tried the Velociraptor, but it's an XC tire. Skinny, efficient, probably not awesome in aggressive applications, but that's just a guess.
    I just took off my Velociraptors. They look cool but I felt my front end slide out more times then I'd care to admit. They definitely didn't evoke any rider confidence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SLODell View Post
    I just took off my Velociraptors. They look cool but I felt my front end slide out more times then I'd care to admit. They definitely didn't evoke any rider confidence.
    i am starting to notice that as well. The rears seem to grip well overall.. but i've never really payed attention to what i put on when i was younger so i am not even sure what tires i used back when i rode a lot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrmattjohnson View Post
    i am starting to notice that as well. The rears seem to grip well overall.. but i've never really payed attention to what i put on when i was younger so i am not even sure what tires i used back when i rode a lot.
    I just bought some Kenda El Moco. I'll let you know how they work out in comparison

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    I haven't had any problems. The Mav823's are true UST rims, so I don't know if that makes a difference.. but been happy so far

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrmattjohnson View Post
    So when i get that bike ill run those tires down then swap them to a more durable tire. What is the typical mileage on good tires now a days? I know each are probably specific, but the avg kinda thing. thanks!
    All the tires from Maxxis and Continental that I've had seemed to wear very slowly. Seems like the sidewalls started cracking before the tread showed significant wear.
    In terms of wear, Kendas seem to wear faster, IMO.

    the "stick-e" rubber compounds are the ones that really wear fast, but they sure do grip .

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    Just put a Butcher in the front and Purgatory in the rear (both 29 2.3). I'll be riding some loose trails this weekend and will report back.

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    Did a couple rides on the Butcher/Purgatory combo and I'm really happy with it. Lots of grip, rear comes out predictably and is easier to put back in, and out of the saddle steep climbs still have plenty of traction. Downhill on singletrack with loose dirt and shale had great traction and solid ride.

    Both tires were within 5g of stated weight. Rolling resistance isn't too bad if you are just going to sit and spin up the hill to get to the downhill.

    Plus they make a really great alien type noise when you go over 15mph on pavement!

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    I've tried about every top end brand and tread and I must say that the Hans Dampfs work best for me in SoCal's dusty hardpack to just about everything you encounter in the area. Though they are not so great in the mud we rarely get here.

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    has anyone else had issues with Maxxis leaking fluid from the sidewalls? I have HR11's and the back is starting to show liquid coming out the sides (very small droplets) every two inches or so. Weird. The tires have about 300 miles on them (which I agree is a lot) but the tread is awesome. I guess the sides may be wearing out.

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    A guy at Bike Warehouse sold me an Ignitor and swore it was the best front tire made. I used it one ride and yanked it.

    It was a very low volume tire, low and narrow; and expensive to boot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeneB View Post
    A guy at Bike Warehouse sold me an Ignitor and swore it was the best front tire made. I used it one ride and yanked it.

    It was a very low volume tire, low and narrow; and expensive to boot.
    I love the Ignitor as a rear on my XC hardtail. I could not imagine it as a very good front.

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    The Ignitor looks very similar to a WTB Bronson...ever tried one of those on the rear? I'm looking for a higher volume tire...

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeneB View Post
    The Ignitor looks very similar to a WTB Bronson...ever tried one of those on the rear? I'm looking for a higher volume tire...
    I may have already mentioned this, maybe even more than once, but my all-time favorite front tire so far has been the Maxxis Ardent in the 2.4 size. It has volume, rolls very well, and it's also got the directional knobs that I like on a front tire.

    I got one on my 26" long-travel FS, and I got one on my 29" medium travel FS bike as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bruce in SoCal View Post
    How are the Kenda's for tubeless? I had some trouble the once I tried them, but that could just have been me.
    I don't run tubeless myself, but I've heard pretty consistently that many of the Kendas are fairly porous in the sidewalls.

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    my new bike has Schwalbe Nobby Nic Performance, 27.5 x 2.25. what are the expected mileage? I know someone said Schwalbe are great tires but won't last long but are all their tires fairly similar? They work great compared to my old tires on my old bike!!!
    I currently have stock Giant S-XC2 27.5-inch wheels. what is the widest tire or best width do you recommend? I see a lot of people like wider than 2.25 and I am new to this new wider style tire as my old Trek Y-3 had narrow tires.

    thanks!

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    my new bike has Schwalbe Nobby Nic Performance, 27.5 x 2.25. what are the expected mileage? I know someone said Schwalbe are great tires but won't last long but are all their tires fairly similar? They work great compared to my old tires on my old bike!!!
    I've run Racing Ralphs, Hans Dampf, and Nobby Nics and they've all been excellent at their intended application for about 200mi or so, then they drop off considerably after that. Given their price, it's really tough to buy tires every two months. I ride a lot of trails with smooth rock - very much like blacktop. I'm sure that exacerbated the issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Old Ray View Post
    I may have already mentioned this, maybe even more than once, but my all-time favorite front tire so far has been the Maxxis Ardent in the 2.4 size. It has volume, rolls very well, and it's also got the directional knobs that I like on a front tire.

    I got one on my 26" long-travel FS, and I got one on my 29" medium travel FS bike as well.
    I've had Nevegals on the front of my last 3 bikes and can't imagine a better front tire. Mostly trying to improve the rear so I can handle soft sand w/o freaking out. In general all Maxxis tires look undersize to me but I'd like to ride with you sometime and get better educated.

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    I have about 60 miles on my Nobby Nics and love them overall so far. hate to hear that those tires are going to be worn out in the next month and a half

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeneB View Post
    I've had Nevegals on the front of my last 3 bikes and can't imagine a better front tire. Mostly trying to improve the rear so I can handle soft sand w/o freaking out. In general all Maxxis tires look undersize to me but I'd like to ride with you sometime and get better educated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Old Ray View Post
    I don't run tubeless myself, but I've heard pretty consistently that many of the Kendas are fairly porous in the sidewalls.
    I have Nevegal Pro 2.2 F/SB8 2.1 R and add 3-5 lbs about once every 4 rides...so for some say "bad", I say "good" .

    I have STD amount of Stans Goop in each tire.

    I too am an independent thinker and seem to be the only guy here likes Kenda

    I live in SD and work and ride weekday afternoons in North County.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeneB View Post
    I have Nevegal Pro 2.2 F/SB8 2.1 R and add 3-5 lbs about once every 4 rides...so for some say "bad", I say "good" .

    I have STD amount of Stans Goop in each tire.

    I too am an independent thinker and seem to be the only guy here likes Kenda

    I live in SD and work and ride weekday afternoons in North County.
    That would be the newer version of the Nevegal? I've yet to see one , but it looks like an improvement in the Nev's problem areas.

    For me, I'm down in the San Diego/ Point Loma area. I ride mostly after dark, when all of the local trails are miraculously open.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Old Ray View Post
    That would be the newer version of the Nevegal? I've yet to see one , but it looks like an improvement in the Nev's problem areas.

    For me, I'm down in the San Diego/ Point Loma area. I ride mostly after dark, when all of the local trails are miraculously open.
    I live near UTC. I have full lights and would love a lesson in night riding. Never rode MTN at night. Not aware Nevegals ever had problems, I used the older ones too, with tubes, always GREAT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeneB View Post
    I live near UTC. I have full lights and would love a lesson in night riding. Never rode MTN at night. Not aware Nevegals ever had problems, I used the older ones too, with tubes, always GREAT.
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    had one good ride on those El Moco tires. They were remarkable compared to the WTB Velo's

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    So i've gotten 2 pinch flats probably within the last 50 miles of riding. I currently ride with what my bike came with 27.5 schwable nobby nics. Has anyone experienced the same with this tire? I am thinking the sidewall is flexible compared to most tires. I remember changing tubes on my old bike the tire was super stiff to pry off, the nobby nics seem really easy with a lever. First pinch flat was on equine loop at elfin forest, jumped a rock and landed on the side of a rock. 2 huge slits in the tube, flat within 1-2 seconds... today was fairly simple, on a downhill bunny hopped over a large rut landed on a side of another rut and i felt my back tire flex. Slowly losing air. Both times my tube was properly pumped up and not aired down... Has anyone experienced what seems to be soft sidewalls on Nobby Nics?
    What was funny is that i was thinking prior to this "wow i haven't had a flat on my new bike within the first 150 miles!" Then it went downhill!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrmattjohnson View Post
    So i've gotten 2 pinch flats probably within the last 50 miles of riding. I currently ride with what my bike came with 27.5 schwable nobby nics. Has anyone experienced the same with this tire? I am thinking the sidewall is flexible compared to most tires. I remember changing tubes on my old bike the tire was super stiff to pry off, the nobby nics seem really easy with a lever. First pinch flat was on equine loop at elfin forest, jumped a rock and landed on the side of a rock. 2 huge slits in the tube, flat within 1-2 seconds... today was fairly simple, on a downhill bunny hopped over a large rut landed on a side of another rut and i felt my back tire flex. Slowly losing air. Both times my tube was properly pumped up and not aired down... Has anyone experienced what seems to be soft sidewalls on Nobby Nics?
    What was funny is that i was thinking prior to this "wow i haven't had a flat on my new bike within the first 150 miles!" Then it went downhill!
    Nobby Nics are a bit "balloon" like but I have never run them with tubes. I have heard of people having pinch flat issues with them when running tubes. My front tire is a NN and I have put over 700 miles on it and it still has life in it. My rear came with a NN as well but I changed that out because my wife bought me a new one and it currently has probably 400-500 miles on it and it's showing some wear but not too bad. I have had good luck with mine I guess and am interested in the new version they put out that addresses a lot of the complaints of the version you are running.

    Have you thought about going tubeless? I have not had a flat or any issue at all since I converted.

    Here's my rear NN showing some spots where the Stan's sealed up some thorn holes. I'm not saying everyone has to go tubeless, just communicating my experience with it so far. Being able to run lower PSI is nice.. I am just over 200lbs geared up too so not a lightweight. The sidewalls have held up well for me and I have been in some sharp rocky stuff on rides.

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    I've been running a Vittoria Barzo - a brand I had never heard of - here in Vegas, which has almost the same terrain as SoCal. I'm super impressed with this tire so far. Its fast, but corners like a railcar. Very predictable grip, even in loose-over-hardpack. It was a huge PITA to mount, but now that its on there, I'm happy. Reasonably priced, too. We'll see how long it lasts . . . .

    I have also given up completely on Stans. Orange Seal has been so much better so far. No boogers, no air loss between rides, no seeping and doesn't dry out nearly as fast.
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    ^I have heard good things about Orange Seal but haven't had any issues with Stan's and still have a bottle of it left so might as well use it up. I have pulled some monster boogers out of my tires but other than that it's done it's job. I check my pressure every ride and haven't noticed too much PSI loss (maybe since I have Stan's rims it works well with them?). Might just have to try the OS though since there aren't any boogers and it doesn't dry up as quickly.

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    how can i tell if my rims are made for tubeless? here is the spec sheet for my bike copied from the website.
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    Hubs Giant Sport Tracker, [F] 15mm axle, [R] 135x5mm system integrated QR
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    with two very recent flats makes me consider buying a co2/hand pump style bike pump... save me some time pumping! Anyone recommend a good one? Any way you set the PSI and then it fills to that point?

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    Lately iv been riding a kenda nevigal, for me this tire has been performing great through dry, wet and mucky climets. I highly recommend thid true to anyone that needs a good tire for anything.

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    I have ridden those tires for a long time now and I loved them, but now i recently ride a nevigal and it's the best tire iv ever ridden

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrmattjohnson View Post
    with two very recent flats makes me consider buying a co2/hand pump style bike pump... save me some time pumping! Anyone recommend a good one? Any way you set the PSI and then it fills to that point?
    I bring this one with me on the trail (link/pic below). It takes both threaded and non-threaded Co2 cartridges. The only times I have used it were to practice so I made sure I knew how it worked before going out on the trail, one time when I was still running tubes and got a thorn type puncture that I patched and was able to inflate with this, and another time while riding a rented bike running tubes in the bike park at Snow Summit and got a pinch flat. Every time I was able to inflate the tire just fine to a pressure that would get me down the trail. I bought a hand pump awhile back and returned it after trying it out before hitting the trails and realized it would take me too long to pump up a tire. Now I just carry at least 2 Co2 cartridges and if I am on a remote ride I will carry 3.

    As far as the PSI goes, you can carry a reader in your pack but for me when I get a flat I am just trying to get back to the car/home to avoid any further issues to where I would have to walk so PSI isn't important as long as it feels firm enough to ride on.

    Genuine Innovations UltraFlate Plus CO2 Tire Inflator


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    Quote Originally Posted by mrmattjohnson View Post
    how can i tell if my rims are made for tubeless? here is the spec sheet for my bike copied from the website.
    WHEELS:
    Rims Giant S-XC2, double wall
    Hubs Giant Sport Tracker, [F] 15mm axle, [R] 135x5mm system integrated QR
    Spokes Stainless Steel, 14g
    Tires Schwalbe Nobby Nic Performance, folding ready, 27.5x2.25
    Not sure if those are tubeless ready rims but my guess is they are not if they are not listed as such in the specs of your bike/model. You most likely need to get a kit to convert to tubeless which means you will have to tape the rim and put in a tubeless valve core, pretty easy stuff. Look at your rim with the tire off or pulled back and see if there is tape on the inside of it, often the tape will say something to the effect of "tubeless ready." There are also ways of converting rims to tubeless called "ghetto tubeless" which means you skip buying a kit and just tape the rims with Gorilla tape (or similar) and buy the valve cores and sealant separately (search for threads on here about that, i don't know much about ghetto tubeless because my rims have all been tubeless ready).

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    Lately I have men riding that tire and it's my favourite. Great for any terrain.

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    Wow that is exactly what I need for the trial.

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    I ride nevigal as well, they are great while they last.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gordon Shumway View Post
    Nobby Nics are a bit "balloon" like but I have never run them with tubes. I have heard of people having pinch flat issues with them when running tubes. My front tire is a NN and I have put over 700 miles on it and it still has life in it. My rear came with a NN as well but I changed that out because my wife bought me a new one and it currently has probably 400-500 miles on it and it's showing some wear but not too bad. I have had good luck with mine I guess and am interested in the new version they put out that addresses a lot of the complaints of the version you are running.

    Have you thought about going tubeless? I have not had a flat or any issue at all since I converted.

    Here's my rear NN showing some spots where the Stan's sealed up some thorn holes. I'm not saying everyone has to go tubeless, just communicating my experience with it so far. Being able to run lower PSI is nice.. I am just over 200lbs geared up too so not a lightweight. The sidewalls have held up well for me and I have been in some sharp rocky stuff on rides.

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    New NN's:

    Schwalbe 2015 Nobby Nic - Review - Pinkbike

    I have seen those tires on the trail before. I love nevigals, but I must give these a tought

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