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    Angeles Epic

    Epic I'm not sure. Long, really enjoyable ride...for sure. Whether that constitutes an epic you can be the judge.

    I start this journey at Sunset Ridge fireroad gate just outside Millard Campground about 8:00 AM. From there I rode to Inspiration Point. After changing out my derailleur hanger I headed to the Idelhour Trail.

    The Idlehour Trail was a blast. Not too technical IMO. While the trail is not for the faint hearted I found it less technical that say Middle Merrill. The trail has been cleared of vegetation recently and was in really nice condition. I ran into two guys in Idlehour Campground. They were going go up the canyon, off trail, to Eaton Pass. I hope they made it out. That's a long way to go. From Idlehour Campground it is a nice steep climb out to Mt. Wilson Toll Road.
    See photos 1-12 for Idlehour Trail photos.

    After reaching Mt. Wilson Toll Road I headed up to Mt. Wilson. The winds were starting to pick up making me rather cold and wishing I had a jacket. From Wilson I rode down the Sturtevant Trail into Santa Anita Canyon. This trail was the high light of the trip. I haven't ridden it for years. I'm riding a much better bike now (I rode the trail the first time on a '91 Mongoose IBOC Comp hardtail with 1st Gen. Manitou fork with 1" of elastomer travel) and have improved my skills sense riding this trail about 6 years ago. There is a great stretch of rocky trail after the switchbacks and before the junction with the Mt. Zion trail. I had to walk most of this years ago but it was a blast this time.
    See photo 13 for picture of LA from Mt. Wilson Toll Road.
    See photos 14 and 15 for pictures of Sturtevant Trail

    My wife picked me up at REI in Arcadia at 5:00 PM. Nice day of solitude on the trail on my bike. According to Topo! the ride was 21 miles and ~6,900 ft. of gain; however, Topo has a tendency to shorten the mileage. I just found my computer in my car this morning so I don't have actual mileage.
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    That's a good point. I still find trails like Middle Merrill, Sunset Ridge, or Mt. Hilyar better than what I rode yesterday. The Sutertvant Trail to Chantry is way up there though. I propably will not do Idlehour for a while. It was cool but not as good as others. What I really like about it was that not many people ride it. When you are out there you know you are pretty much alone. That is a really nice feeling living in LA.
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    Good job and thanks for the ride report. You did two trails that I have not explored yet, but have wanted to ride. The trails on Mt. Wilson are a gem...you are right about the remote feeling. It is remote, you screw up alone up there and you may not make it back out. I suppose that is part of the attraction.

    I am looking for someone to ride/hike to the top of Baldy (Mt. San Antonio). We would start at Manaker Flats and bike up to Baldy Notch, then bike as far as we could to Devils Backbone Trail. I think we could get our bikes within maybe two miles from the summit. Obviously all is off if it snows.

    Picture below is from a ride I did to Thunder Mountain a few weeks back, the sign is just above Baldy Notch Lodge.
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    Good job!

    Hey dstepper,

    I've always wanted to ride up there since I've only rideen San Sevaine, Cucamonga Canyon and on Sunset Peak Mtwy. i'm already commited to doing Blackstar this next Sunday, the 3rd of December. what about next weekend after that (weather permitting)?

    i can muster up some strong riders to join us for that venture.

    BTW, Great idea on that ride!

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    Lets do it!

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    Photo of Backbone

    Photo from the Backbone when I rode it this past summer.
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    Nice ride recap and pictures.

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    Quote Originally Posted by treadheadted
    It's interesting how some of the best trails hardly ever get ridden and the easy ones get volumes of traffic that they can barely handle. It says quite a bit about the average "mountain biker" in the Los Angeles area.
    Unfortunately this can be applied to almost anything...

    It's interesting how some of the best_____ hardly ever get _____ and the easy ones get volumes of traffic... It says quite a bit about the average person.
    People tend to play it safe.

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    Post it and they will come......

    This sounds like a killer ride. Are you talking about doing this on the 10th? I've got a couple friends who'd join up for this. How about a mile/elevation estimate and approximate time to complete?
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    The Skinny

    Okay here's the skinny. I'm working on a ride that goes up to the top of Mt. Baldy. The route starts at Manker Flats and goes to the Notch, across the Backbone, to the summit of Baldy, the last half mile will be a hike to the summit. From the top the route goes down the Village Trail. The plan requires a shuttle from Mt. Baldy Village to Manker Flats.

    According to Topo the route is 12 miles (Topo tends to shorten routes, so I'd say it's closer to 15 miles), with 3,948 feet of gain and 5,841 feet of loss. It's 6.4 to the summit.

    We're looking at December 10th.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnfiend
    Okay here's the skinny. I'm working on a ride that goes up to the top of Mt. Baldy. The route starts at Manker Flats and goes to the Notch, across the Backbone, to the summit of Baldy, the last half mile will be a hike to the summit. From the top the route goes down the Village Trail. The plan requires a shuttle from Mt. Baldy Village to Manker Flats.

    According to Topo the route is 12 miles (Topo tends to shorten routes, so I'd say it's closer to 15 miles), with 3,948 feet of gain and 5,841 feet of loss. It's 6.4 to the summit.

    We're looking at December 10th.
    what would the stats for a full loop of the ride be?

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    Full Loop

    The full loop adds 4 miles and 1,893 feet of elevation gain of pavement riding. Most of if is on steep narrow mountain road. It can be done though.

    Maybe this could be extra credit. For those that want to ride the full loop they can park in the Village and others can start at Manker Flats. This would give slow pokes like myself a head start up the hill. When the ride is over the Manker Flats people could get a ride back up their vehicles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnfiend
    The full loop adds 4 miles and 1,893 feet of elevation gain of pavement riding. Most of if is on steep narrow mountain road. It can be done though.

    Maybe this could be extra credit. For those that want to ride the full loop they can park in the Village and others can start at Manker Flats. This would give slow pokes like myself a head start up the hill. When the ride is over the Manker Flats people could get a ride back up their vehicles.
    that's some serious road climbing, i've been up those crazy switchbacks before but didn't realize it was that much gain in so little distance, wild!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Epic Mtn Biker
    that's some serious road climbing, i've been up those crazy switchbacks before but didn't realize it was that much gain in so little distance, wild!!
    Yeah I think almost all of the 1,800 feet of gain is from the switchbacks. Those things are hard to climb in a vehicle.
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    Have you (or anyone else) ever biked or hiked the singletrack down? Is it rideable? I mapped an elevation profile of it and it looks a little steep. I think one of the miles drops 1500 ft and the others aren't much less. Usually the route on the map won't show all of the switchbacks though. Now I'm wondering which bike to bring and if plastic courage is needed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by STJunkie
    Have you (or anyone else) ever biked or hiked the singletrack down? Is it rideable? I mapped an elevation profile of it and it looks a little steep. I think one of the miles drops 1500 ft and the others aren't much less. Usually the route on the map won't show all of the switchbacks though. Now I'm wondering which bike to bring and if plastic courage is needed.
    I have not biked it nor have I heard of anyone riding it, hence the appeal. I hiked it this past summer and from a hikers point of view on the way up it looked rideable with a few exceptions. There are lots of little switchbacks that the topo misses.

    Looking at the profile the steepest part appears to be above Bear Flats to the ridge labeled 7,451. This part is narrow due to vegetation but is not on a cliff or anything. The trail above the 7,451 ridge to the 8,402 label has tons of little switchbacks not marked on the topo. From the 8,402 label to the second sharp bend will be interesting, after that the trail is above treeline and should be a blast. The trail at that point is more rocky that dirt.

    I think my Roach Freerides will be taken for sure, and maybe arm guards.

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    Two photos from bike ride around Baldy and several from my hike up the Village Trail. The photos with the snow on my buddies head shows what the trail looks like above treeline.
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    Since Village Trail seems to be a unknown, I am thinking I may come back off the summit the way I went up and leave Village Trail to the young and brave.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dstepper
    Since Village Trail seems to be a unknown, I am thinking I may come back off the summit the way I went up and leave Village Trail to the young and brave.
    There's an age limit? I'll bring my fake ID.

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    ... and if we just ...

    Quote Originally Posted by STJunkie
    There's an age limit? I'll bring my fake ID.

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    I wonder if there will be any snow up there around December 10?

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    I just checked weather.com and no snow. Supposed to get some rain this Friday though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pain Freak



    Everybody knows you're older then dirt!
    That sounds and looks like a nice but tough ride. Thinking about joining you guys if you don't mind a slow one in the group...

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    Awesome pics!

    That is a sweet bike you have there. I've seen it in other posts and always drool over that thing.

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    Date Change?

    To those that are thinking about participating in this crazy journey, could we move the ride to Sunday the 11th? Turns out I have a Christmas party to go to on Friday night. The party is with my old co-workers and we tend to get a bit intoxicated. Plus they are getting limos to take people home so we don't have to worry about driving.

    If not I will be a prude and only have a few drinks and come home early.
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    I don't care which day.

    I just hope there is little snow, no wind and crystal clear skies.

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    Oooo...That would be perfect! Reminds be of several rides on Strawberry from this past winter. I love those rides where you have to keep moving or else you get too cold. I've been up on Baldy when it was crystal clear. I could see well past Catalina and even the southern Sierra.

    Let's wait to here from some of the others that are considering the ride (mtbski, STJunkie, Epic MTN Biker, VTVic, and Pain Freak).
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    Sunday works for me.

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    Either day is good for me.

    what time did you want to start the ride on either day? would 7 or 8 am be the ideal start time?

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    Sunday should work for me as well, but I'll confirm by Saturday

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    Great thanks everyone!

    Start time is a good question. I would say 8:00 AM at the little restaurant in Baldy Village. Is anyone planning on biking the road section to make it a full loop? We will need to leave at least one vehicle in the Village.
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    Will the restaurant be open for breakfast? If so do we know at what time?

    I have a Toyota pickup that can haul a few bikes and three people. At this point I do not think I will be coming down (Village Trail, Mt. Baldy Trail, or Bear Canyon Trail…or whatever they call it) and will park at Manaker Flats.

    I am more than willing to hang out until everyone is off the mountain safe and help get people back to there cars. Who knows, maybe the singletrack is the faster way down.

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    Not sure what time they open, sorry. Let me clairfy which restaurant in case there is more than one. The place is on the right hand side of the road, accross the street from the chruch. There is a small street that intersects with the main road, this street leads to the Village Trail trailhead.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VTVic
    That sounds and looks like a nice but tough ride. Thinking about joining you guys if you don't mind a slow one in the group...
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    Calendar

    I've added this ride to the event calendar. Not sure if we can take this discussion there. Not sure if people can add comments to an event????
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    angeles epic

    If that village trail is ridable I am in!
    Sat is better for me, it also gives me a day to recoup!
    If not Sunday is ok.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom the bomb
    If that village trail is ridable.
    That is the unknown...hence the warning adventure. Besides rideable is relative term, some people ride down stuff that I would never think of riding. I am sure parts of the trail are ridable, it is just how much of it is. It would suprise me if it was buff smooth singletrack.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dstepper
    That is the unknown...hence the warning adventure. Besides rideable is relative term, some people ride down stuff that I would never think of riding. I am sure parts of the trail are ridable, it is just how much of it is. It would suprise me if it was buff smooth singletrack.
    I hiked from Manker to the Lodge at Baldy Notch yesterday. It was beautiful and windy and chilly down into the low mid to low 30's. The condition of the fireroad is perfect for spinining up to the notch-no problem. After the notch the fireroad to devils back bone looks a little more sandy and steeper. The crew at Baldy have started to experiment with there snow making equipment so make sure to check out the conditions at mtbaldy.com I'm not riding this weekend but I may ride part of the ride during this week and can report back on some of the trail conditions.
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    To all interested in the Mt. Baldy Adventure,

    I am looking into the legality of the Mt. Baldy Trail/Village Trail/Bear Valley Trail for bikes. My earlier research turned up nothing, therefore I figured go for it. MTBSKI informed me that the trail is open to hikers and horses only according to the Tom Harris (Harrison?) map.

    Based on this new information I contacted the Forest Service. Both people I spoke with thought I was crazing for wanting to try it but neither was sure of the official legal status of the trail. The ANF Wilderness Ranger will be calling me on Wednesday to let me know the legal status of the trail. I will report back as soon as I find out.

    If it turns out that the trail is not legal I am not going to ride down the Mt. Baldy/Village/Bear Valley Trail. It's a free county so others are free to do what they choose, but I would encourage other not to poach the trail.

    I would be interested in still riding to the top, or a trip to Upper SART. Never ridden it and always wanted to.
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    I have Tom Harrison's map and it shows from the summit of Mt. Baldy Trail down to Bear Flats as being for hikers and horses. That 6.2 mile section of trail seems to be just a short distance inside Sheep Mountain Wilderness Area. If I had to make a ruling based on the information on the map, I would say that it is off limits to bikes.

    I also have been reading hikers accounts of the trail and the prevailing attitude seems to be; why use the Village Trail, when there are 3 other, more direct routes to the summit. Therefore, I do not think the Village Trail gets much traffic.

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    I would be interested in still riding to the top, or a trip to Upper SART. Never ridden it and always wanted to.[/QUOTE]

    What part of SART is upper? The section east of Glass Rd or the stuff south of the hwy or somewhere else?
    I'd be in for a SART ride.

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    From the general store down....

    i think?

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    I am still wanting to get to the summit before it snows and while the air is clear.

    I have ridin SART from Glass Road to South Fork Campground. The section of SART east of South Fork interests me but at a later date. SART does not get much snow.

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    SART II or III

    I'm referring to Ron Bigelow's SART variation II or III. I'm not familiar with the area to know much more that that. Based on the descriptions I'm more interested in III; I want to know the Dark Side!
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    Lower SART Anyone?

    I'd consider that the Upper SART is from Angelus Oaks Post Office up to South Fork. Lower SART goes from Angelus Oaks down to Mentone. I've done the upper section a bunch. Me and a friend or two are looking do do the Lower SART for the first time in the near future. Anyone interested that knows the way? (we also are considering going for the full enchilada Mentone to South Fork and back, possibly without shuttle. anyone know the total vertical and mileage? Is the lower SART rideable as an out and back?)

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    Not enuf light

    Unless you are some kind of super hero type of rider, I don't think you'd be able to do this Mentone to Angeles Oaks and back in a day. Just the shuttle from Angeles Oaks down to Mentone takes a lot of people all day to do. There is about 2500 to 3000 feet of climbing on the way down. I'm not saying it can't be done,but you'd have to be a very fast rider.I did it about 5 or 6 years ago with a very big group as I was just starting to mountain bike. It still is one of my most memorable rides. And I do look back on it as a lot of fun. I believe we had a group of somewhere around 30 that day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pain Freak
    Unless you are some kind of super hero type of rider, I don't think you'd be able to do this Mentone to Angeles Oaks and back in a day. Just the shuttle from Angeles Oaks down to Mentone takes a lot of people all day to do. There is about 2500 to 3000 feet of climbing on the way down. I'm not saying it can't be done,but you'd have to be a very fast rider.I did it about 5 or 6 years ago with a very big group as I was just starting to mountain bike. It still is one of my most memorable rides. And I do look back on it as a lot of fun. I believe we had a group of somewhere around 30 that day.
    I've never done this version of sart but I believe it is about 50 miles, doable in a day without shuttling.. Adding shuttles and a group size of 30 sounds likes a recipe for an all day deal.

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    No Word Yet

    FYI, I did not receive a call yesterday from the Wilderness Ranger. I called again today but he is in the field all day today. I left a message on his voice mail and hopefully will get a call this afternoon or tomorrow.

    I guess at this point we should just plan on meeting at the original meeting place, the small restaurant in Baldy Village, and plan on just riding to the summit (I use just lightly). If I get the word by Sunday that we can ride the Mt. Baldy/Village/Bear Flats Trail I will send word via this thread at the very least. Does this work for everyone?
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    I am still in. Hope the weather co-operates.

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