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    Alert: New Spy Cam in Los Penasquitos

    New spy cam spotted about midway up the Powerlines fire road. About half way up, and on the left if your going uphill. Make sure to let them know how you feel as you ride past!

    Can't imagine what that one is for except to give the rangers up top a warning that bikes are heading up.

    Is even nature under surveillance these days?

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    Quote Originally Posted by scepticshock View Post
    New spy cam spotted about midway up the Powerlines fire road. About half way up, and on the left if your going uphill. Make sure to let them know how you feel as you ride past!

    Can't imagine what that one is for except to give the rangers up top a warning that bikes are heading up.

    Is even nature under surveillance these days?
    I am kinda surprised these known cams have not disappeared yet.
    telling me to stay out of a former bombing range next to a dump while you build huge houses next to it? Screw you.-sandmangts

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    They can't be "live"cameras where they could watch you approach them without a large battery backup or power source. They could be used for evidence though. Heck, they could be fakes too. There are a couple of others around the mesa. Look for a line across the trail and you just might find one off to the side right at that point.

    I would like to see a couple of data points from their activity.
    1. How many users go into that area, sorted by user groups
    2. How many tickets are issued, sorted by user group
    3. ROI on investment: rangers resources versus income from tickets
    4. How many user conflicts are happening down on the main trail system since users are not on the mesa
    5. How many MTB users will ever lend them a hand during trail days, like repairing blown out shitz
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    This camera and ticketing cr@p is silly. What the heck are they feeding the people who live in the Southern portion of So Cal??? That sort of stuff doesn't happen up here in the rest of the state of Southern California.
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    Get rid of this thing. Whatever it takes.
    If not biking, then what?

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    Just a friendly PSA here to not do anything stupid.
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    Wait, is powerline road off-limits? I thought it was just if you went off to the right after climbing powerline that was now under complete closure. Can we really not take powerline to the path behind the houses to connect to cobbles?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tubored View Post
    Wait, is powerline road off-limits? I thought it was just if you went off to the right after climbing powerline that was now under complete closure. Can we really not take powerline to the path behind the houses to connect to cobbles?
    The ENTIRE fire road is open, all the way through the DMM. Just don't deviate from that. The kiosk at the S/W end of the DMM at the top of the fireroad used to show that. Don't know what is shown there now but if you stay on the dirt road, you will be fine.
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    I rode down Sh*tz the other day and it looked cleaned up pretty good. No hub-deep powder, like I was expecting. I don't even bother to turn right at the top of Powerlines anymore. They win. And if anybody else in CA thinks it's not like that where they live, just wait. DFW is a State dept. They will get around to everything, in every region, as developers press them to designate more land that has social trails, not official ones, sealed off for 'pristine' designation, to mitigate their expanding development.

    They get richer, we get poorer, specifically, trail-wise.
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    About 3 weeks ago I was at Black Mountain, on the Nighthawk Trail. I was leaving from Hilltop park and
    there was a camera on the right side of the first climb about 1/3 to half way up. Hard to see going up
    because its behind a bush. I saw it on my way back.

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    Is this some sort of conspiracy thing? Why all the cameras all over down there?! You don't see that sort of thing up North.

    Up here, we report stuff like bear or mountain lion sightings.

    Down there, you guys report camera sightings.

    I'll bet it all has something to do with the Obama Care changes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Kuhl View Post
    About 3 weeks ago I was at Black Mountain, on the Nighthawk Trail. I was leaving from Hilltop park and
    there was a camera on the right side of the first climb about 1/3 to half way up. Hard to see going up
    because its behind a bush. I saw it on my way back.
    I personally don't buy the replies of "the cameras are for wild life studies".
    Do you really think a coyote, deer, bobcat see a camera and change where their headed? I don't think so otherwise we would not have hundreds of videos on the net. It's probably hidden so "people" won't see it and to measure our traffic in the area. If you think people might damage the cameras so they have hide them I might "slightly agree" to that, only for the fact that they have been so underhanded in the past we are pissed off. If they were up-front in the first place and placed signs describing their real use I would hope that most people will leave them alone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirtrider127 View Post
    I personally don't buy the replies of "the cameras are for wild life studies".
    Do you really think a coyote, deer, bobcat see a camera and change where their headed? I don't think so otherwise we would not have hundreds of videos on the net. It's probably hidden so "people" won't see it and to measure our traffic in the area. If you think people might damage the cameras so they have hide them I might "slightly agree" to that, only for the fact that they have been so underhanded in the past we are pissed off. If they were up-front in the first place and placed signs describing their real use I would hope that most people will leave them alone.
    They may, in part, be for wildlife studies, probably are, but from what we know now, what are the chances that the student is NOT providing the camera feed to the rangers and the DFW? After all, what kind of employer would a graduate with a degree in wildlife studies/biology be looking for a job with, right out of college?

    And again, if it's not happening in your part of CA, it WILL. Two things: Development in SoCal, and the rest of CA that has open space left near metro areas, is continuing, and the DFW is a statewide organization.
    Development and 'environmental/habitat protection' may look like 'strange bedfellows', but now they go hand-in-hand.
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    I was riding the fire road last night and noticed there's also one near the first wooden fence on the right side of the trail add you come upon the eucalyptus trees near the top of rocking horse. Funny thing is, it looks like it's just pointing at the fire road instead of the inside of the fence where poachers would cross over.

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    Sorry but I don't have the most positive outlook with all the cameras and closures. I think a strong defense is needed but we as a group either don't want to spend the time and money needed, aren't united as a group/voice, have "better" things to worry about (until all the trails are gone), and/or too busy just riding the trails, legal or not

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawg View Post
    Is this some sort of conspiracy thing?

    I'll bet it all has something to do with the Obama Care changes.
    Obamacare is teamed up with NSA and Google, to capture image evidence. When you apply for your mandatory health insurance they will produce the pics, then rate you "high risk mountain biker" and you get to pay more.

    Maybe alert Corba to this

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    Quote Originally Posted by rolling thunder View Post
    Obamacare is teamed up with NSA and Google, to capture image evidence. When you apply for your mandatory health insurance they will produce the pics, then rate you "high risk mountain biker" and you get to pay more.

    Maybe alert Corba to this
    Maybe installing "black boxes" on all MTB's so they can track you and charge you by the mile. per jump, vernal pool track, etc...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirtrider127 View Post
    Maybe installing "black boxes" on all MTB's so they can track you and charge you by the mile. per jump, vernal pool track, etc...
    I'll worry about THAT kind of conspiracy when they start touting the value of "medical information" microchips with a gps feature......

    Meanwhile, it's necessarily even a conspiracy, when a big corporate entity, such as Pardee, etc, uses its' influence to benefit fiscally. It's usually referred to as the "American Way." That big developers have become avid 'environmentalists' by supporting the closure of trails for habitat re-designation, is not much of a stretch; most of the time, it goes on, under the table, under the public radar, and never sees the light of day.

    So, if somebody wants to refer to this as a 'conspiracy theory', please don't conflate this conspiracy theory with the likes of the Black UN helicopters, the public vaccination for polio-conspiracies, etc, because it's not in the tin-foil hat league. It's just 'Bidness'...and 'Gummint, hand-in-hand.
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    I'm half kidding with you Ray but do agree with your points.
    Follow the money.....

    Kinda funny how they have a "sensitive habitat" over here but when someone wants to build something right there we can just swap this land for that land. Just like carbon credits. Reminds me of that magic act with three cups and one ball
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirtrider127 View Post
    I'm half kidding with you Ray but do agree with your points.
    Follow the money.....

    Kinda funny how they have a "sensitive habitat" over here but when someone wants to build something right there we can just swap this land for that land. Just like carbon credits. Reminds me of that magic act with three cups and one ball
    I replied to your post dirtrider, but I was really addressing anybody who thinks this is on the level of some shadowy, "Agenda 21" conspiracy agenda for a socialist world order. This is a simple pay-to-pave scheme, although I think it's dealing in a 'commodity' that is FAR scarcer than 'carbon credits'. We have very little land with singletrack trails left, in case anybody hadn't noticed.
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