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    What is up with all the skid kiddies?!

    I did Downieville 4 weekends ago. Sunrise, Butcher, Pauley, Third etc. It was buffed, in great shape. Sunrise was especially sweet with just a few snow spots. Went back yesterday - Sunrise is already beat to $#!+ as is a lot of Third. Huge braking bumps leading up to any kind of feature - some of them actual pits. Like moguls. I'm calling BS.

    I'll attribute some of it to newbies and that's cool. But how much of this is people who just don't give a $#!+ and have never worked on modulated braking? Killing some great riding.

    On another note, did Pauley Creek and it delivered huge grins yet again. One of the best Trails in the Sierra.

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    It's just a really dry year.

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    I have wondered if it is the Moto's going up and the bikes going down that produces wonky rhythm to some of the bumps on Butcher ranch. I only notice it on Butcher, Just a theory, maybe nothing to it.

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    ^^ Yes. I'd throw the moto's under the bus before the skid kiddies!

    Either way, it'll rain at some point in the next month and all we be good.

    Or it won't rain and it'll still be pretty damn good.

    Edit: Beaverbiker nailed it. It's just a variation of tech!
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    Braking bumps form on most dirt roads too. Are they all skidding?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtvert View Post
    ^^ Yes. I'd throw the moto's under the bus before the skid kiddies!
    I'm not gonna throw anybody under a bus. Just an observation. I ride moto's as much as I ride MTB's. It's all good.

    I happen to know some moto riders that spent this past weekend clearing trails up there.

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    You can always bring your road bike up there and ride the pavement if you're not into the whole mountain biking thing with rocks and holes in the ground.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayem View Post
    Braking bumps form on most dirt roads too. Are they all skidding?
    Washboard on dirt roads is the result of the powered acceleration of tires on rough and loose surfaces. They most often form on the uphill side of dirt roads or straightways where cars/trucks tend to accelerate. Similar phenomena, different mechanism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by huntermos View Post
    Washboard on dirt roads is the result of the powered acceleration of tires on rough and loose surfaces. They most often form on the uphill side of dirt roads or straightways where cars/trucks tend to accelerate. Similar phenomena, different mechanism.
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    downhill bumps: skid kiddies
    uphill bumps: strava kiddies

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    I'd solve the issue by riding a bike with front, and back shocks.

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    Braking bumps are caused by poor riding technique or pushing so hard, you are not being smooth. I'm sure trails used for racing get braking bumps. Not that the riders suck, but they are pushing hard.

    And sometimes because the riders are just lame. I ride bikes and motorcycles.

    You could leave bongs full of leafy green stuff at the top of the trails, I'm sure that would slow down some riders. Or call Home Depot and have the trail carpeted.

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    Downieville is blown out because of shuttle access and being overridden in one direction. I have never ridden moto in Dville, but friends of mine from Chico have asked, and all have stated that they avoid anything related to mtb. Both out of respect for a sport they also participate in, but also for fear of being sued by Sworksporche-guy (we all know him)....

    Braking bumps, blown out and the month of June are all synonyms of Riding in Summer.

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    It's so weird because when I was there I had a great time. Loved the trails and did the shuttle run 2x with no problems. Had a great breakfast, lunch and dinner. The power went out and two of my best friends and I enjoyed a romantic dinner with a surly cook and some bewildered waitresses. Simply no problems at all. I just wish I wasn't an on call pilot.

    So now we are trading Dramarancho with Dramaville? Sweet!

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    Davey, I'm going to need you to fly me to.. Um.. Sh8t, let's just go to Whistler.

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    Why is it always assumed that braking bumps exist because of bad riding technique? Braking bumps form on all high use trails with braking zones. I grew up on dirt roads and the washboard forms in the same places every year. It doesn't mean that no-one on the road knows how to drive on dirt, it's just the nature of wheels rolling over uneven terrain, and suspension reacting to the terrain. Every dirt road or trail that gets a lot of traffic will have these.

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    I think motorcycles are allowed on most Downieville trails. If they are climbing, they will end up tearing the soil up on the steeper spots. Also Dville gets a lot of DH types that are trying to go as fast as possible, till they have to slam on the brakes and skid it up. Many people don't understand the "ride it don't slide it" slogan and will diss it with comments such as, "Ride somewhere else if you don't like dust". That being said, though, it is a dry year and those silty soils will get dusty no matter how careful you are.

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    What is up with all the skid kiddies?!-screenshot_2014-06-16-15-44-50.jpg





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    Quote Originally Posted by twowheelmotion View Post
    Downieville is blown out because of shuttle access and being overridden in one direction. I have never ridden moto in Dville, but friends of mine from Chico have asked, and all have stated that they avoid anything related to mtb. Both out of respect for a sport they also participate in, but also for fear of being sued by Sworksporche-guy (we all know him)....

    Braking bumps, blown out and the month of June are all synonyms of Riding in Summer.

    Hey Kevo.. Bongs is like riding tubes. Bro. Everyone is vaping these days. Click.. Click... I'm high.
    Lots of motorcycle guys try to avoid conflict with mtn bikers. A few just like conflict with everyone. Everyone has an ahole.

    Trials tires are becoming popular. They grip like sneakers on a basketball court and minimized the impact.

    I'm so old, I run tubes. As for the other, don't know, don't care. I am known to pull a can of beer out of my Camelbak. Just to shock people if nothing else. After a long climb and everyone is panting... Psssfft! WTF, was that? Liquid suspension being installed.

    Sworksporche-guy run a tour group or try to own the trails?

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    Is it me or did this thread get trolled super hard? Where's the OP in all this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by twowheelmotion View Post

    Hey Kevo.. Bongs is like riding tubes. Bro....

    As in, you should carry one in your pack on rides?

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    Quote Originally Posted by beaverbiker View Post
    You can always bring your road bike up there and ride the pavement if you're not into the whole mountain biking thing with rocks and holes in the ground.
    Whatever, dude. I'm totally into rocks and holes in the ground - upper Pauley is one of the best trails around. Big Boulder not far behind. Braking bumps f#@k a perfectly good trail. It's the dewshes that come into a corner or feature way hot and have to lock it up. It's chicken$#!+ riding.

    Yeah, it's dry - an especially good reason to learn to either send a feature at speed or come into it gracefully without a $#!+load of trail displacement.

    And yeah, I had a way good time up there always do. It's so dang fun sometimes I wonder if it's illegal. It's just the comparison between 4 weeks of use - it's dramatic. Can't imagine what it's going to be like during the race.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fleezus View Post
    Why is it always assumed that braking bumps exist because of bad riding technique? Braking bumps form on all high use trails with braking zones. I grew up on dirt roads and the washboard forms in the same places every year. It doesn't mean that no-one on the road knows how to drive on dirt, it's just the nature of wheels rolling over uneven terrain, and suspension reacting to the terrain. Every dirt road or trail that gets a lot of traffic will have these.
    Sshh, if people start thinking this they'll have no one to blame!
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    Quote Originally Posted by twowheelmotion View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Davey Simon View Post
    Ok, now all we need to do is start a pool to get a private flight to whistler.... We can sleep in the plane once we get there... right?

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    No way man. I'm thinking chopper from YVR to the Top of the World trail. That would beat the bus ride for sure

    They say money doesn't make you happy but it sure does help! I just need to get my hands on some. Other than becoming a permanent thorn in the MHC/MCL's side I'd be going on some sweet MTB adventures.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beaverbiker View Post
    You can always bring your road bike up there and ride the pavement if you're not into the whole mountain biking thing with rocks and holes in the ground.
    +1
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    Quote Originally Posted by twowheelmotion View Post
    Is it me or did this thread get trolled super hard? Where's the OP in all this?
    He gave up cuz almost no one agreed with him. Can't say I blame him.

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    To the OP's credit, there are some ridiculously big holes that have formed on sunrise. I wouldn't even call them braking bumps, more like braking pits.

    SBTS does a lot of trail work leading up to the race. A lot of these will be repaired by then and we will get a couple weeks of good trail after the race.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Finch Platte View Post
    He gave up cuz almost no one agreed with him. Can't say I blame him.
    See post #21

    Was at Yuba Expeditions after our ride (free beer!) and they all agreed the braking bumps are ridiculously big AND a big fail. Since Yuba and SBTS are one in the same, they'll be the guys spending their time repairing the brakeholes, mostly due to dewshes, rather than building new trail.

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    What is up with all the skid kiddies?!

    Braking bumps were many and plentiful this w/e on the downhill.
    The race always kills the trail till it rains.
    Better to go off piste 😏
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    Quote Originally Posted by GoGoGordo View Post
    Better to go off piste 😏
    Best advice. We saw only two other people on Upper Pauley Creek this weekend. Everyone does Butcher. Next trip up its Mills Peak or Chimney Rock. If we do the downhill it'll be Big Boulder and Second.

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    Quote Originally Posted by atayl0r View Post
    Best advice. We saw only two other people on Upper Pauley Creek this weekend. Everyone does Butcher. Next trip up its Mills Peak or Chimney Rock. If we do the downhill it'll be Big Boulder and Second.
    Mills peak is a zoo now too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GoGoGordo View Post
    Mills peak is a zoo now too.
    Gordo, where's the avatar with the horn in yer ass, on the bike....I miss that!
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    Quote Originally Posted by cmdrpiffle View Post
    Gordo, where's the avatar with the horn in yer ass, on the bike....I miss that!
    You mean this one...

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    Yeah thats a good one fer sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by beaverbiker View Post
    You can always bring your road bike up there and ride the pavement if you're not into the whole mountain biking thing with rocks and holes in the ground.
    BAHAHAHAHAHA


    Sorry OP this is just too good!

    Its just bad almost everywhere you shuttle, SRY

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoGoGordo View Post
    You mean this one...

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    Yeah thats a good one fer sure.
    Damn! Like the old days! Never seen it in full resolution. Cheers to you Brother!
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