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    Welcome to norcal's cornering clinic

    This is how ya do it. Lean on inside bar. Weight on outside foot. Torso and head forward into the turn. Eyes wayy up front.

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    I know what you mean about the "eyes way up front" thing. If I look down right in front of me, I slow way down.
    Lead by my Lefty............... right down the trail, no brakes.

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    Photo #1 - Thats bad ass skills right there.

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    It's good for learning cornering skills to wash out like that. It's like learning how to wheelie, you're only going to find your balance point one way and that is to flip the bike over a couple of times. Same applies to leaning into turns, you'll find that balance point, but you'll have to crash a couple times while you're at it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lost Biker View Post
    Photo #1 - Thats bad ass skills right there.
    That's an old dude journalist from New Zealand. It was pissing me off that I could not keep up with him in the corners. But when I see this photo, I concede.

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    n00b.

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    Is this the Better ride skills camp?
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    That shot says it all!! Also getting foreward on the bike. It looks like his chin is over the stem. A girl rider taught me about over leaning the bike. The shot shows that perfectly. That's been huge for me. If you feel like you aren't going to make the corner lay the bike over more between your legs. That adds a whole new dimention to turning a bike. It sure is fun making a corner with both tires sliding and not hitting the brakes.

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    Also read/know to point your hips into the turn (from a Pinkbike vid?)...the exact opposite from skiing, which is why it took me so long to figure it out! Give it a shot...it really helps with the "finding your balance point" thing, i.e, learning how to "drift" the bike while cornering on the loose stuff. Also helpful on snow (both to learn and to apply conering skills)

    The first photo really illustrates this point.

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    Man, I need to work on my technique. I always think I am going to wash out but the bike is actually holding fine. I'll remember this picture in my head next time.

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    is there videos with good advices about riding technique on the internet?

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    NSMB.com: Hey Coach! Ep. 1 - Cornering Video - Pinkbike

    Enjoy...kinda funny, too, haha

    Also, if you click on the "Videos" tab at the top of the page, there are TONS more.





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    Quote Originally Posted by CSC View Post
    NSMB.com: Hey Coach! Ep. 1 - Cornering Video - Pinkbike

    Enjoy...kinda funny, too, haha

    Also, if you click on the "Videos" tab at the top of the page, there are TONS more.





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    Thanks for the link. This one was good also.
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    braaaaap noises help

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    Here's a good video I found the other day. Please feel free to embed other good videos.

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    thanks, i'll try that technique as soon as the rain stop and the forest dries a little.

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    Quote Originally Posted by francois View Post
    This is how ya do it. Lean on inside bar. Weight on outside foot. Torso and head forward into the turn. Eyes wayy up front.
    Have a berm handy.

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    Thanks fc - fast cornering is the hardest thing, I think - ok maybe not harder than doing double backflips, lol. But practicing some figure-eight drills in the street/parking lot that gene hamilton gave (below) has helped me get the counter-steering effect, especially helps loosen you up enough to "get" the bike-body separation bit of getting your hips leaning one way and bike the other. Steep and loose stuff really kills my cornering-practice motivation though - I need some drills to get the mind/fear out of the way!

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    I still need to master this technique if I want to not have to rely on the climbs alone to get podiums.
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    this one's a very useful pointer too

    How-to: Learn to Corner Better - Video - Pinkbike

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeng View Post
    braaaaap noises help
    After being scolded by a group of hikers from the city for not having bells or horns on our bikes we make that sound at all times. Not really but that was strange.

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    Not that I'm amazing at cornering, but I also like to spend time in the mountains on my Ducati and the cornering videos and tutorials for motorcycles hold true for mtn bikes too.

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    Actually, every time I ride the mountain bike I gain more confidence on the street bike. You use the suspension more with a Mountain Bike and the way suspensions are tuned on motorcycles you don't throw it around as much. Number one rule on the motorcyle is to always look through the corner....it's a little like the saying in golf "If you look down to see a good swing you never will" ...... If you look down at your wheels to watch yourself corner it just wont work...........

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    Cool. I started this thread just to mock myself but it looks like some learning is available here.

    Here's the Diamondback video:
    <iframe src="http://player.vimeo.com/video/41742406?color=ff9933" width="800" height="450" frameborder="0" webkitAllowFullScreen mozallowfullscreen allowFullScreen></iframe> <p><a href="http://vimeo.com/41742406">Flow-Tonic</a> from <a href="http://vimeo.com/diamondback">Diamondback Bicycles</a> on <a href="http://vimeo.com">Vimeo</a>.</p> <p>Diamondback DF5 Rider and Fluidride Instruction owner Simon Lawton works with Kyle Thomas on foot work.</p>

    Another big area that hasn't been covered is weighting and unweighting. Setting up for corners then pushing your weight down into the tires is another dimension of technique. Spending time at a pump track seems really good for this.

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    Throwing the outside elbow up and forward is what makes that technique work for me. Almost like throwing a football block. And the wider your bars are the better it's gonna work.

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    Shift your weight, whether in the saddle (like photo #1) or standing. Braking try not to brake while in the corner (brake before) and think of "speeding up" out of the corner, even if that doesnt mean pedaling, you'll start to lean back, sit up, and get ready to power out of the corner, it helps with weight placement.

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    For me, it's more about pulling up on the outside grip than leaning on the inside one. That outside elbow is the key to the whole thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by digthemlows View Post
    Not that I'm amazing at cornering, but I also like to spend time in the mountains on my Ducati and the cornering videos and tutorials for motorcycles hold true for mtn bikes too.
    I find mountain bike and dirt bike (motorcycle) have similar techniques, but street bike (motorcycle) is the opposite. i.e. pushing the inside bar down vs hanging off the inside of the bike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by francois View Post

    Here's the Diamondback video:

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    Quote Originally Posted by francois View Post
    This is how ya do it. Lean on inside bar. Weight on outside foot. Torso and head forward into the turn. Eyes wayy up front.



    This is how not to do it.


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    This thread enhanced my ride today. I was railing the corners. I havent been leaning forward enough. Thx

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    Just think of that front wheel like your girl, grab her hair and put it exactly where you want it, High performance riding is all about taking control of the cockpit.

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    Fabien Barel has some great skills videos. Here's the one on cornering

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    Went for a tiny ride today and tried to pay attention on all the corners. Man it is hard. There's so much going on specially with proper braking and bike weighting.

    But it made a boring trail interesting. And I did hear that ripping sound once when I attained maximus traction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by francois View Post
    Went for a tiny ride today and tried to pay attention on all the corners. Man it is hard. There's so much going on specially with proper braking and bike weighting.

    But it made a boring trail interesting. And I did hear that ripping sound once when I attained maximus traction.

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    thanks for starting it.....it's a great thread!!

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    Try picking on element each ride and just thinking about that, elbow, eyes, knees, bar pressure. If you do them one at a time and mix it up, they start to come together. And trying it on a trail you're already confident on. It really helps to learn stuff on corners you already nobrake.

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    Interesting that this is coming up. I have been studying and working on this stuff for a while.
    I bought the first Fluidride DVD about nine months back and have watched/skimmed it at least 30 times. Just got the Flowtonic DVD and have watched it about 3x.

    The cornering tech is starting to come together for me, at least some of the time. When I'm groovin' with all the elements of ripping turns correctly it does feel super right.
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    The more the bike feels like its washing out, yank up on the outside elbow and throw it forward. Turns the corner from scary to boring in an instant.

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    There are different cornering techniques for different kinds of corners. Don't make the mistake of trying to practice the same body english in all different corners.

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    Really helpful thread for a noob like me! Went on a ride last night, after looking thru the postings here and worked on applying what I learned. Like others suggested, I started out just concentrating on one element at a time, until it started to feel more natural and not so thought out.

    Was on a great fast, flowing track with tons of cornering sections so got to practice A LOT during a single ride. Bike & body positioning came first, followed by pedal positioning, then by heel angle & weight placement. Next came positioning & movement of my knees during the comer. Could really start to feel myself "pulling" the bike thru the corners much more easily. Actually, after awhile it didn't really feel strenuous at all to get the bike where I wanted it to go.

    Didn't work on the outside elbow technique, but am excited to throw that in the mix and see how much more I can improve. Only been MTB riding for about 3 months, but last night's ride was a major revelation for me on riding technique. Thnx to everyone for the great info.

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    How timely... I've just been recently working on cornering too, and taking a lot of tips from those two NSMB guys (the laser shooter and the laser sword pecker dude). It's gonna be a while before it becomes second nature.

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    thought about it on yesterdays ride.....it felt weird to think my way through, but concentrating on throwing with my inside hand as part of the counter steering felt pretty cool....makes you realize the amount of control you have, and the idea that a 30+/- lb bike is really easy to throw around.......lots to learn!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by digthemlows View Post
    thought about it on yesterdays ride.....it felt weird to think my way through, but concentrating on throwing with my inside hand as part of the counter steering felt pretty cool....makes you realize the amount of control you have, and the idea that a 30+/- lb bike is really easy to throw around.......lots to learn!!
    Use LOTS of front brake, when cornering. Especially when its loose and steep. Hit the brakes right when you're in the apex of the turn, leaning hard into the corner.

    You should grab a handfull, hard - and then to what Francois said, keep your weight on the inside arm.

    When you hit the brakes, your weight shifts, creating MORE traction, which of course helps you corner better!

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    Quote Originally Posted by iheartbicycles View Post
    Use LOTS of front brake, when cornering. Especially when its loose and steep. Hit the brakes right when you're in the apex of the turn, leaning hard into the corner.

    You should grab a handfull, hard - and then to what Francois said, keep your weight on the inside arm.

    When you hit the brakes, your weight shifts, creating MORE traction, which of course helps you corner better!

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    Quote Originally Posted by CHUM View Post


    not sure if serious....or on crazy pills....
    This is OG motocross skills. Helps on jump landings, too. Lots of front brake!
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    From my auto racing days, I carried over the idea of the traction circle to MTB riding/racing. Your tire only has to much traction, laterally and longitudinally and combinations of the two. If you're braking in a corner, you reduce the amount of traction available to grip laterally (a.k.a. not fall on your arse!). This concept helps explain why you want to brake in a straight line before the corner, then use maximum grip laterally on corner entry and mid-corner.

    Here's a decent video for those new to the idea.

    Traction Circle - Explained - YouTube

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    Quote Originally Posted by CHUM View Post


    not sure if serious....or on crazy pills....
    He's not serious.
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    I'll mock you francois, can you at least crash in a corner thats in NorCal next time....geez hehehe
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scrub View Post
    I'll mock you francois, can you at least crash in a corner thats in NorCal next time....geez hehehe
    That was intentional bro. It's from my upcoming dvd.... seconds before disaster.
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    Worked on technique today. It sure is easy to regress back to old bad habits. Thanks for getting us thinking again. Raising the elbow felt whacky but I like pointing my light stick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CSC View Post
    Also read/know to point your hips into the turn (from a Pinkbike vid?)...the exact opposite from skiing, which is why it took me so long to figure it out! Give it a shot...it really helps with the "finding your balance point" thing, i.e, learning how to "drift" the bike while cornering on the loose stuff. Also helpful on snow (both to learn and to apply conering skills)

    The first photo really illustrates this point.
    Took me a while for the same reason...as a ski racer turned instructor turned patroller, I always had the "counter rotation" thought in my head when I was riding...which of course left me washing out my front wheel and with lots of trail rash.

    At least the "weighting the outside pedal" muscle memory translated.

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