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    Want to leave the United States. where to go?

    leaving the reasons aside, where are the good options? the ideal candidate will be in a place where most people can speak at least basic english, has available jobs (tech included), and access to good mountain biking and other outdoor activities. bonus for an international food and culture scene like we have in san francisco. if possible discuss specific cities and not just countries.

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    Better also take immigration laws of your proposed new home country into account. Not all western countries have the "accept everyone regardless of ability to contribute..and bring your family too" concept that is the hallmark of US immigration policy.

    Alternatively, you could wait a couple of years...with luck, California will be successful in its bid to secede from the USA.

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    i bet it would take you one year..maybe two to master a new language.

    i think Italy, or Spain for me. i could learn those languages fairly easy i think.
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    Canada. I've been to Vancouver and Toronto, both are very nice places. I would probably lean more Vancouver, west coast, more access to riding (I think). I also like being coastal to the ocean, though being near the lake isn't bad. I also enjoyed Montreal and Quebec, but a larger city like Toronto is better for me.

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    South Island New Zealand!

    Good Food, Epic trails, lots of jobs, everyone speaks english

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    The riding around Vancouver is apparently world class but I was never impressed by the city. Yuck.

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    it's crazy how other countries usually have more than one language in the wheelhouse.

    i spent a month in Thailand..and i was getting the sounds down. i met a 7 year old begger girl in Cambodia that spoke 7 languages. blew my mind..i wish i had the means to adopt her and pitch her into a modern educational system. she would rule the world. and hopefully support "dad"
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    I'd recommend the island of Madeira, Portugal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boomchakabowwow View Post
    it's crazy how other countries usually have more than one language in the wheelhouse.

    i spent a month in Thailand..and i was getting the sounds down. i met a 7 year old begger girl in Cambodia that spoke 7 languages. blew my mind..i wish i had the means to adopt her and pitch her into a modern educational system. she would rule the world. and hopefully support "dad"
    Wow - all I learned in 2 trips to Thailand was Kapoon-krup and Farang.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boomchakabowwow View Post
    i bet it would take you one year..maybe two to master a new language.

    i think Italy, or Spain for me. i could learn those languages fairly easy i think.
    oh Im definitely down with learning a new language I just figured some place that spoke at least some english would ease the transition significantly

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    Seychelles Islands.

    They do not extradite their citizens for any reason or any offense.
    You can buy citizenship for cash.
    So many trails... so little time...

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    +1 for New Zealand....North or South Island...of course if you want a larger world culture mix then Auckland is your city...but I don't believe the mountain biking is the best there. Wellington is next best for that aspect, and probably has the best foodie scene in my experience. Best riding I understand is South Island, with a close second the Rotorua area in North Island. South Island gets a little bit more conservative, liberal in the larger cities of the North Island. Very nice wine industry and a really good growing small brewery scene. The people all over New Zealand are the best, don't think I have experienced friendlier or more down to earth practical people in any other country I have visited and I have been to quite a few. As far as jobs...the NZ government runs a great website for people wanting to move there...the page for the job seeker is: https://www.newzealandnow.govt.nz/work-in-nz
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    +2 for New Zealand. North island for economic opportunities, and south for recreation (skiing, mtb, water sports). Cost of living is great, low social strife, and great people.

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    new zealand sounds pretty appealing.

    how about france? how far outside the major cities is the good vtt?

    does anyone have experience with geneva or zurich?

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    I live on Vancouver Island, and the only other place in the world I would consider is New Zealand.
    I got some bad ideas in my head.

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    A marriage of sort between France and Spain, the principality of Andorra has the Pyrenees and WC grade MTB at Val du Nord

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    Quote Originally Posted by rox View Post
    new zealand sounds pretty appealing.

    how about france? how far outside the major cities is the good vtt?

    does anyone have experience with geneva or zurich?
    I have no personal experience with Geneva or Zurich but do know the Swiss immigration process is...interesting. Besides the usual language, job, economic stuff, you immigration has to be approved by the people in the community in which you'll be living and they can deny your application for pretty much any reason including, they don't much like you.

    Frankly, I love this.

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    interesting map showing the difficulty of learning the european languages

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    All of the above sounds great. Maybe keep North Korea off the short list.
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    Japan? You should know... lol!

    Canada (BC) would be my top choice (Whistler, NS, and being close to Bellingham).

    If I never had to worry about work and live in an area that reinforces the existence of God, Switzerland would be up there.

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    Another vote for New Zealand - the only shortcoming might be the tech job, and to a lesser extent, the diverse food / beer scene - it's getting better, but it shocked me for what passes as beer there! - and they just don't have access to the diversity / quality of produce we have here in CA (but very few places do) - small price to pay though since it is so awesome there.

    West coast of Canada would probably be the easiest transition though - you could make beer runs to Seattle! Another one might be Wales or Scotland? Oh wait, forgot about the black pudding and haggis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ron m. View Post
    If I never had to worry about work and live in an area that reinforces the existence of God, Switzerland would be up there.
    Out of curiosity, what does that mean?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ron m. View Post
    Japan? You should know... lol!

    Canada (BC) would be my top choice (Whistler, NS, and being close to Bellingham).

    If I never had to worry about work and live in an area that reinforces the existence of God, Switzerland would be up there.
    japan has a lot of things going for it but the language barrier is huge and the work sucks. people work A LOT and the structure is very rigid and hierarchical. that and theres basically no mountain biking near tokyo

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    I'd recommend the island of Madeira, Portugal.
    been there for 10 days. Stunning island.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skyno View Post
    Out of curiosity, what does that mean?
    LOL! It just means the place I went (Kandersteg) was so beautiful, pristine and magnificent that it had to be the work of a higher being. =P

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    I live on Vancouver Island, and the only other place in the world I would consider is New Zealand.
    get out more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rox View Post
    japan has a lot of things going for it but the language barrier is huge and the work sucks. people work A LOT and the structure is very rigid and hierarchical. that and theres basically no mountain biking near tokyo
    Yeah, I only saw one mountain bike there last year @ Hakone (about an hour away from Tokyo). Food was pretty awesome.

    Have to make a clarification about Switzerland. Best views, but their food blows (and is expensive). LOL!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cuyuna View Post
    Better also take immigration laws of your proposed new home country into account. Not all western countries have the "accept everyone regardless of ability to contribute..and bring your family too" concept that is the hallmark of US immigration policy.
    This. Again.

    I think many Americans have a very naive view of immigration laws in other 1st world nations. It can take a lot of time (2+ years) and a lot of money to legally immigrate to Canada, NZ, Australia, etc. Plan accordingly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ron m. View Post
    LOL! It just means the place I went (Kandersteg) was so beautiful, pristine and magnificent that it had to be the work of a higher being. =P
    Got it - makes sense now!

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    Quote Originally Posted by rox View Post
    new zealand sounds pretty appealing.

    how about france? how far outside the major cities is the good vtt?

    does anyone have experience with geneva or zurich?
    Geneva is very conservative, wealthy, and expensive. If you need to work in technology, probably not the best bet.

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    How many people are not responding in fear of blowing up the spot?

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    Interesting infographic on languages. I would not have guessed that Swedish is easier than German

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    Quote Originally Posted by JayPee View Post
    How many people are not responding in fear of blowing up the spot?
    whatever the spot is I'm sure there are plenty of locals already and people aren't exactly rushing to move to a foreign country

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    For tech, you may want to look at Nice area.

    Nice - San Remo (IT) lots of great MTB in that area.

    Looking to the north, From Nice on up to Lyon - Geneva area you've got great mtn access, for bike and snow.

    Munich could fit the bill as well, lot of tech. Lots of mountains, skiing an hour away.
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    Top of my list for English-speaking places would be New Zealand, Calgary, Vancouver. I've never been to any of those places (although I'll be flying in to Calgary on a trip to Banff this winter) but they all are known for epic mountain biking and snowboarding/skiing. They also seem like nice places to live with access to all the modern comforts of western society.

    If you were to broaden it to places where you might have to learn the language, I would consider the Dolomites in Italy (Trento/Verona) which was an amazing place to visit with friendly people and wonderful culture. The Mediterranean climate is superb and the Italian government doens't seem to give a shit who comes in and out of their country (barely checked our passports). Beyond that I would look at perhaps somewhere in the Swiss Alps. Supposed to be beautiful and they're always neutral in world wars so if a fight breaks out you'll be left alone to ride in peace.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cuyuna View Post
    Better also take immigration laws of your proposed new home country into account. Not all western countries have the "accept everyone regardless of ability to contribute..and bring your family too" concept that is the hallmark of US immigration policy.

    Alternatively, you could wait a couple of years...with luck, California will be successful in its bid to secede from the USA.
    Yep. Immigration laws in most countries are very strict and have deportation and heavy penalties if you illegally reside in the country. You can just go there and start living.

    My choice would be Asia. Just like it there. Maybe because I am Asian. Haha.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DH40 View Post
    I'd recommend the island of Madeira, Portugal.
    Mainland Portugal too.
    Beautiful, cheap and the people are awesome. So are the mountains.

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    Ignoring the language issue, I'd go for northern Italy. Spent a week in Bolzano last fall. It was amazing. Wonderful people, beautiful mountains and riding, close to stuff (trains to Milan, Munich, etc.) It was said that the Sud Tirol/Alto Adige combines the warmth of the Italians with the efficiency of the Austrians. For similar alpine beauty, Austria, Switzerland, southern Germany (Munich is expensive), or maybe even Slovenia?

    If it's IT, I wonder if you couldn't telework from wherever.

    If language is truly an issue, New Zealand. Never been, but come on...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Lefty View Post
    Interesting infographic on languages. I would not have guessed that Swedish is easier than German
    Yeah that definitely surprises me and I'm a bit skeptical of its veracity - but the reality is that it probably doesn't matter that much b/c most people in both of those countries speak better English than most Americans!

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    We spent 2 weeks on North Italy a few years ago for a wedding and MTB trip. We stayed near Finale Ligure for a week and had some rad mtbing. Crossed over into France a few times for riding there too.

    Milan might be a good area too.

    Where ever you go, I can't wait to visit and ride foreign dirt.

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    BC Canada. It's not just Vancouver. Although the North Shore near Vancouver is world renown, the rest of the province (over twice the size of California) has some of the best year-round riding in the world. Crowds at the riding resorts, deserted trails everywhere else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nvphatty View Post
    get out more.
    If I lived where Travis does, I'd have a hard time justifying going somewhere else to ride. He's in a mountain bike town. Great trails and the town exists because of and for mountain biking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rox View Post
    japan has a lot of things going for it but the language barrier is huge and the work sucks. people work A LOT and the structure is very rigid and hierarchical. that and theres basically no mountain biking near tokyo
    And those in Japan have the least amount of sex out of any other country in the world, by a lot. Their population is projected to drop by almost 100mm within the next century, From about 130mm to 40mm. Something's not right with the culture in Japan for this to be happening and sure doesn't sound like a place I would want to visit let alone live.
    Get out of the gutter and onto the mountain top.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dave54 View Post
    Seychelles Islands.

    They do not extradite their citizens for any reason or any offense.
    You can buy citizenship for cash.
    Do you get extradited often, or plan on having to avoid being extradited?

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    Worked in Austria 20 minutes from the Italian border for 2 months this summer (building trails at a ski area, hard to say no to that one...)

    I loved Sudtirol (northern italy) Merano, Vinschgau Valley, Bolzano. All seemed great. You get the mountains right there but with year round riding, better food than Austria, and better weather. Spent another couple weeks in Southern Germany, Norway and Sweden. I'd choose northern Italy if I had to choose, but the others didn't seem too bad.

    Whether there are tech jobs there, who knows. But I think it is one of the wealthiest parts of the whole EU?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Trail Ninja View Post
    If I lived where Travis does, I'd have a hard time justifying going somewhere else to ride. He's in a mountain bike town. Great trails and the town exists because of and for mountain biking.
    therein lies the dilemma. stay put or venture to other locations.

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    Anywhere on the Northern Mediterranean, great food, great weather, relaxed lifestyles.

    France would be the most US-like, since they have some surprisingly varied geography, but Italy is just too nice to not be my #1 pick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rox View Post
    leaving the reasons aside, where are the good options? the ideal candidate will be in a place where most people can speak at least basic english, has available jobs (tech included), and access to good mountain biking and other outdoor activities. bonus for an international food and culture scene like we have in san francisco. if possible discuss specific cities and not just countries.
    It must also include all the freedoms in the Bill of rights!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Lefty View Post
    Interesting infographic on languages. I would not have guessed that Swedish is easier than German
    Yeah, I know. It's all Greek to me! They must have good meatballs though. :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by dave54 View Post
    Seychelles Islands.
    LOL. They Seychelles are a nice place to visit, but I wouldn't want to live there. Reunion Island is better, IMO, but they are French.

    Quote Originally Posted by singletrackmack View Post
    And those in Japan have the least amount of sex out of any other country in the world, by a lot. Their population is projected to drop by almost 100mm within the next century, From about 130mm to 40mm. Something's not right with the culture in Japan for this to be happening and sure doesn't sound like a place I would want to visit let alone live.
    I don't know about the sex part, I think it's something else. How do you figure they have the least amount of sex? Sex != babies always.

    It's an interesting country, especially in the country side. Tokyo is not where I would go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skyno View Post
    Yeah that definitely surprises me and I'm a bit skeptical of its veracity - but the reality is that it probably doesn't matter that much b/c most people in both of those countries speak better English than most Americans!
    It is actually pretty accurate !

    Finish and Hungarian are a mistery. English shares a lot of vocabulary with modern languages coming from latin and they are very similar grammatically. It happens the same with nordic languages, lots of shared roots and same gramma structure. But as you get closer to Germany.... basically the only think in common is the alphabet. Germans who like languages can easily pick nordic languages, polish...

    What I don't get is the claim that is easy to come and stay in the US, and bring your family. I guess that is what it was when cantilever brakes reigned.

    Rox, what would be on top of your priorities when choosing an int'l destination? For what I have read you post these months/years, I think North-West Italy, would be an amazing destination with lots of fun to be had

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    Quote Originally Posted by drew p View Post
    Worked in Austria 20 minutes from the Italian border for 2 months this summer (building trails at a ski area, hard to say no to that one...)

    I loved Sudtirol (northern italy) Merano, Vinschgau Valley, Bolzano. All seemed great. You get the mountains right there but with year round riding, better food than Austria, and better weather. Spent another couple weeks in Southern Germany, Norway and Sweden. I'd choose northern Italy if I had to choose, but the others didn't seem too bad.

    Whether there are tech jobs there, who knows. But I think it is one of the wealthiest parts of the whole EU?

    This is what I meant !

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    Quote Originally Posted by singletrackmack View Post
    And those in Japan have the least amount of sex out of any other country in the world, by a lot. Their population is projected to drop by almost 100mm within the next century, From about 130mm to 40mm. Something's not right with the culture in Japan for this to be happening and sure doesn't sound like a place I would want to visit let alone live.
    wow dude thats some interesting reasoning. sex and procreation are not the same thing and child bearing rates drop among all developed nations since people have careers and easier access to birth control. that would be a weird thing to base a visit on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drew p View Post
    Worked in Austria 20 minutes from the Italian border for 2 months this summer (building trails at a ski area, hard to say no to that one...)

    I loved Sudtirol (northern italy) Merano, Vinschgau Valley, Bolzano. All seemed great. You get the mountains right there but with year round riding, better food than Austria, and better weather. Spent another couple weeks in Southern Germany, Norway and Sweden. I'd choose northern Italy if I had to choose, but the others didn't seem too bad.

    Whether there are tech jobs there, who knows. But I think it is one of the wealthiest parts of the whole EU?
    wow drew that sounds like a sweet gig. lets see pics of the trail!

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    northern Italy definitely added to the short list based on this thread.

    the hardest part to research on the internet seems to be what kind of salary could I earn vs what is the cost of living in a given area.

    the best option might be to find a job that allows remote work

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    I'm a little surprised there's nothing about australia in this thread. How about syndey, melbourne, brisbane, perth, or adelaide?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rox View Post
    wow dude thats some interesting reasoning. sex and procreation are not the same thing and child bearing rates drop among all developed nations since people have careers and easier access to birth control. that would be a weird thing to base a visit on.
    They are simply not having sex whether it is for fun or to procreate. Japan has the least amount of sex out of all nations, developed or not. The country that has the least amount of sex out of all countries doesnt sound like a very fun place to me and would make for some very stressed out people. No thanks.


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    I don't know about the sex part, I think it's something else. How do you figure they have the least amount of sex?
    It is a well known major national crisis for Japan. Not a joke. They are in very big trouble because of this and it is not getting better but worse. They have some serious cultural problems they need to address and fast.

    There are like a babillion articles and studies on this. Here is just one:

    Japan, The Sexless Nation | original | Tokyo Business Today | All the news you need to know about Japan
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    If I wanted to stay in Europe
    1) Argeles sur Mer - Pyrnes Orientales - France
    Riding year round, it rains just two months per year, badass gnarly technical trails with sunshining climate, the sea, the coast, Spain is a few minutes far from, real estate can be really affordable if you move a further kilometres far from the sea

    2) Digne les Bains - Alpes de Haute Provence - France
    Riding year round, badass Whisthler kind of bike park open all year long, endless "enduro" trails everywhere, perfect climate mixed between the South of France and the mountains

    3) Freiburg im Breisgau - Baden Wurttemberg - Germany
    The most sunshining part of Germany close to France (30 kms), Swiss not very far, and Austria if you are ok to drive. Trails really cool, flowy, gnarly, a very active mtb community. A very safe country and place. One of the best latex and leather fetish scene in Germany, so you can have really nice aprs rides hehe !

    If I wanted to stay in North America
    1) Pemberton - British Columbia - Canada
    Riding year round, kind of a micro-climate with less rain than most of the rest of BC, badass trails everywhere, Whistler 30 kms far to the South, plenty of hot single very active ladies

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    One caveat to northern italy is that outside the urban areas, nobody speaks english. On the plus side, nobody cares if you don't speak italian, unlike many other areas of the world that seem offended if you don't speak the local language.

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    Another vote for vancouver. Never been, but everyone knows its world class riding, everyone speaks english.

    A colder but more mtb friendly version of bay area

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    Quote Originally Posted by singletrackmack View Post
    And those in Japan have the least amount of sex out of any other country in the world, by a lot. Their population is projected to drop by almost 100mm within the next century, From about 130mm to 40mm. Something's not right with the culture in Japan for this to be happening and sure doesn't sound like a place I would want to visit let alone live.
    I think you're looking at this the wrong way. Because of all the suppression, someone with a healthy $exual appetite will thrive there, right? LOL!

    I've been to about a dozen countries (Europe and Asia) in the last couple of years alone, and Japan is near the top in terms of overall good experience. Give it a shot, I am sure you will be pleasantly surprised. =)

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    Quote Originally Posted by JayPee View Post
    How many people are not responding in fear of blowing up the spot?
    New Mexico is my secret.
    Never been there but I hear you don't even need a passport, no customs or nothing.

    Oh wait, I was there once; Raton for a funeral.
    That don't make it dangerous place though.
    I also loaned a car to a friend of a friend who brought it back from NM with a boogered up manual trans.
    For not even living there, my two experiences haven't been so great. I'm reconsidering my secret place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bachman1961 View Post
    New Mexico is my secret.
    Never been there but I hear you don't even need a passport, no customs or nothing.

    Oh wait, I was there once; Raton for a funeral.
    That don't make it dangerous place though.
    I also loaned a car to a friend of a friend who brought it back from NM with a boogered up manual trans.
    For not even living there, my two experiences haven't been so great. I'm reconsidering my secret place.
    Is this actually a real experience are these just lyrics to an old Steve Miller Band deep cut? Either way - you really sold it - I think I am moving to NM - epic non-sequitur!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bachman1961 View Post
    New Mexico is my secret.
    Never been there but I hear you don't even need a passport, no customs or nothing.

    Oh wait, I was there once; Raton for a funeral.
    That don't make it dangerous place though.
    I also loaned a car to a friend of a friend who brought it back from NM with a boogered up manual trans.
    For not even living there, my two experiences haven't been so great. I'm reconsidering my secret place.
    LOL! I was there once too. Albaquerque, Sandia, Santa Fe. Actually a good choice. Tech jobs (Intel), lots of cool trails and 3 hrs away from lift/park riding. Lower cost of living too.

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    Another vote for vancouver. Never been, but everyone knows its world class riding, everyone speaks english.

    A colder but more mtb friendly version of bay area
    And even more expensive

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    Quote Originally Posted by ron m. View Post
    LOL! I was there once too. Albaquerque, Sandia, Santa Fe. Actually a good choice. Tech jobs (Intel), lots of cool trails and 3 hrs away from lift/park riding. Lower cost of living too.
    ron-

    Your quest is interesting and I'll stay tuned in.

    Glad you seen my goofy humor as it were... Wasn't making fun of you, just feeling giddy with too much caffeine already !! Your next adventure sounds very cool.

    Were it me, I'd also consider nearby or neighboring areas that might be of interest once you settle in. IOW your adventure / travel menu will be exponentially enhanced by other notable destinations reasonably close to your new home.
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    get out more.
    I have mtbd in NZ, Thailand, across Canada, and a shit ton in the US.
    I got some bad ideas in my head.

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    Yes, Pemberton is good, but you could not pay me enough to live in Vancouver.
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    Quote Originally Posted by singletrackmack View Post
    They are simply not having sex whether it is for fun or to procreate. Japan has the least amount of sex out of all nations, developed or not. The country that has the least amount of sex out of all countries doesnt sound like a very fun place to me and would make for some very stressed out people. No thanks.




    It is a well known major national crisis for Japan. Not a joke. They are in very big trouble because of this and it is not getting better but worse. They have some serious cultural problems they need to address and fast.

    There are like a babillion articles and studies on this. Here is just one:

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    Wow, interesting. I had figured "they" were pretty kinky with all the odd sexual things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IAmHolland View Post
    Wow, interesting. I had figured "they" were pretty kinky with all the odd sexual things.
    Seems like their pop culture tells them men are creeps and women are schoolgirls

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    I visited Italy about 15 years ago and loved it. For quite awhile I was seriously considering moving there. My biggest hurdle was getting a Visa that would allow me to stay and work for longer than six months.
    In the mean time I was working at a bike shop and I had a buddy that would always tell stories about the time he lived in France. One morning on an early ride before work I asked him how long he lived in France.
    "6 years."
    I was stoked! How did you manage that?
    "Well, two weeks in to my trip I was caught smuggling 20lbs of coke. I spent the rest of the time in prison.
    Damn. Not what I was hoping for.

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    Okay, l'll assume that the reason for leaving isn't political so we can ignore those reasons for leaving. Have you considered other places in the US? This country is MASSIVE. I had a friend who just spent the better part of a year motorcycle touring the country and then headed down to South America. She decided she had to bite the bullet and go back to work, and ended up with a good (I think tech) job offer in Montana. No experience with the state other than passing through but decided to take it. Only been there a month so I can't give feedback specifically, but the point was that there are a lot of places you can go for tech work without leaving the country, and still like being in a whole different world.

    If it's for political reasons, you need to check on immigration policies and the politics of the areas you are looking. A lot of places are over populated which is why they have strict immigration and/or the politics aren't much better than ours.

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    it had to be the work of a higher being. =P
    Honestly - I didn't do it. Wait... what kind of higher did you mean? ;-)
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    Quote Originally Posted by hoolie View Post
    Want to leave Planet Earth, Where to go? My passport is expired, but I think that is ok.
    Huh, I used to ride motorcycles with a guy who had the screen name "Hoolie" on BARF when I was stationed in Alameda.

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    Living in California it sometimes does not seem like it is on the same page with the rest of the United States.

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    Quote Originally Posted by twindaddy View Post
    Honestly - I didn't do it. Wait... what kind of higher did you mean? ;-)
    Haven't you been "stone sober" for a while? Oh crap, that statement can go both ways, huh? Well, I still have that bag we found on the trail if you do want to reach a higher state of being. LOL!

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    Quote Originally Posted by rox View Post
    I'm a little surprised there's nothing about australia in this thread. How about syndey, melbourne, brisbane, perth, or adelaide?
    Did a little bit of riding in the Blue Mountains area outside of Sydney, was decent (had a good local guide)...other than that no direct experience but have read about some good stuff here and there in each of those areas except Adelaide.

    For the most part I understand there is a good building passionate mountain biking culture but it is not as advanced as many other areas on the planet...don't know why, there are some great off-road areas in Australia. A friend who lives there advised me in the greater culture of the country bicyclists are seen as annoying and a problem...you really take your life in your hands when road riding...people act as if you should not be anywhere near a road with a bike...with that situation you would figure a lot of people who want to ride would naturally shift toward mountain biking where they are safely away from motorists, but it doesn't seem to happen (my buddy says)...the bad attitude toward bikes tends to extend to trouble getting riding areas opened for mountain bikes as well.

    There are some great locations that are bike friendly, some municipalities have set up some nice trails, just not as much as NZ so that would be my choice if I was moving to that part of the world.

    For your other requirements, food, jobs, etc....Australia has some great food scenes and culture (especially Sydney, Melbourne, and Brisbane in my opinion)...per my pal, housing and jobs are about like it is here in California...it depends on what work you want to do and where you want to live...costs can be quite similar and job market is up and down, plus immigration can be tough.

    I took a look at what has been entered on MTBProject for AUS and NZ....the Kiwis definitely have the win:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Axe View Post
    Living in California it sometimes does not seem like it is on the same page with the rest of the United States.
    Usually a page or two ahead. That's why we moved here.

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    Living in California it sometimes does not seem like it is on the same page with the rest of the United States.
    LOL

    Never lived there but you did mean PLANET right ? Here; lemme help--

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    Quote Originally Posted by singletrackmack View Post
    They are simply not having sex whether it is for fun or to procreate. Japan has the least amount of sex out of all nations, developed or not. The country that has the least amount of sex out of all countries doesnt sound like a very fun place to me and would make for some very stressed out people. No thanks.

    Japan, The Sexless Nation | original | Tokyo Business Today | All the news you need to know about Japan
    Sex does not equal babies. You can lots of sex and not be making babies. I still don't see those studies as very valid. Japanese are very private and don't talk about their exploits. I'm half Japanese.

    How do they know how much sex people are having unless they have surveillance in people bedrooms and watching them all. :P
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    how about costa rica?

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    You still want to go after days like today?
    I'm the problem....

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    You still want to go after days like today?
    I mean today was awesome but there are other days in the week and other parts of life that matter. and you are assuming you cant have similar experiences anywhere else.

    if I dont start planning my long term goals then they wont happen. I still have plenty time to consider all the tradeoffs and decide which things are important to me

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    Quote Originally Posted by rox View Post
    I mean today was awesome but there are other days in the week and other parts of life that matter. and you are assuming you cant have similar experiences anywhere else.

    if I dont start planning my long term goals then they wont happen. I still have plenty time to consider all the tradeoffs and decide which things are important to me
    It's a big country and a big world and there's nothing wrong with discussin' just to see what's out there.

    A good friend with a very big family and support network here just left for Idaho for good. I'm pretty shocked but maybe not. People are weighing options.

    The December Bay Area weather with hero dirt, and zero rain is pretty shockingly good evenby our standards.
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    So which countries allow immigration and employment? Which ones are easy to retire in? That's probably a pre-requisite.

    Maybe dual-residence post-career and kids. A house in Moab and one in Mexico to chase the seasons.

    Hawaii residence really could be swell.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rox View Post
    how about costa rica?
    Our goal is half time in Costa Rica and half time up here in Truckee. We visited years ago and fell in love immediately. And there's riding!

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    Kinda what I was thinking...coming from SF, you likely don't have to go all that far to feel like you're in a whole different world.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Truckee Trash View Post
    Our goal is half time in Costa Rica and half time up here in Truckee. We visited years ago and fell in love immediately. And there's riding!
    Man... gotta go there. Where's a good location to visit?

    The La Ruta folks always invited me to do the race. Good thing I never did as everyone I know did a one and done. Sad I haven't visited that place though?

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    We fly in to San Jose and drive down to Bocas Del Toro - Panama for some island hopping fun then head up to Santa Teresa or Montezuma where we'll rent a house for about 2 weeks. Manuel Antonio is a bit of a tourist trap but it's still beautiful and worth a visit. We Santa Teresa is a little larger than Montezuma and connected by dirt back roads. Think small fishing villages, ATV's and Moto's as the primary form of transportation. From my time at Niner there was a shop owner in Costa Rica who was a big fan and IIRC was building a destination park / resort. Will have to look into that. I think a big factor in our experience was being with a good friend who lived there for 4 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Truckee Trash View Post
    We fly in to San Jose and drive down to Bocas Del Toro - Panama for some island hopping fun then head up to Santa Teresa or Montezuma where we'll rent a house for about 2 weeks. Manuel Antonio is a bit of a tourist trap but it's still beautiful and worth a visit. We Santa Teresa is a little larger than Montezuma and connected by dirt back roads. Think small fishing villages, ATV's and Moto's as the primary form of transportation. From my time at Niner there was a shop owner in Costa Rica who was a big fan and IIRC was building a destination park / resort. Will have to look into that. I think a big factor in our experience was being with a good friend who lived there for 4 years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fc View Post
    Man... gotta go there. Where's a good location to visit?

    The La Ruta folks always invited me to do the race. Good thing I never did as everyone I know did a one and done. Sad I haven't visited that place though?

    we flew into liberia and drove to the west coast near tamarindo. we also drove around in the south west and central parts of the country. I think for retiring you would want to be on the coasts which are resorty and for work you would need to be in san jose which I have been told is not very nice by friends who grew up there.

    what I need is intel on where the riding is and how long the riding season is due to heat and rain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rox View Post
    we flew into liberia and drove to the west coast near tamarindo. we also drove around in the south west and central parts of the country. I think for retiring you would want to be on the coasts which are resorty and for work you would need to be in san jose which I have been told is not very nice by friends who grew up there.

    what I need is intel on where the riding is and how long the riding season is due to heat and rain.
    Thanks for the intel. 7 hour flight... not tooooo far.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fc View Post
    Thanks for the intel. 7 hour flight... not tooooo far.
    the nice part is the time is only 2 hours off so theres not much in the way of jet lag. not like when coming back from japan

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    Quote Originally Posted by rox View Post
    the nice part is the time is only 2 hours off so theres not much in the way of jet lag. not like when coming back from japan
    Jet lag. Sigh.

    When I went to Patagonia region in Chile, it was a 30 hour journey. Then the time difference was only 5 hours. Basically, straight down the globe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rox View Post
    how about costa rica?
    I will report in a few days !!!

    No bike, though.

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    Costa Rica's rainy season is sort of the opposite of the Bay Area. It is dry in the winter and rainy in the summer. There's probably a lot of places to ride and probably not a lot of signs posted everywhere saying NO This, NO That...

    It does tend to be warm and humid.

    Heading back there this spring for first time in 12 years. [Not planning on riding there.] Will be interested in the reports from above.

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    Quote Originally Posted by somanygoodbikes View Post
    There's probably a lot of places to ride and probably not a lot of signs posted everywhere saying NO This, NO That... [Not planning on riding there.] Will be interested in the reports from above.
    I guess you need to be local...as a tourist all looks to be privately owned and under a 10-15 $ fee !! I really don't see a strong mtb scene, most of the mtb I see are on the roads and very few on the racks.

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