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    You live in FoCo?
    My wife and I spend the summers and winter break in FoCo. Four months out of the year. We're in grad school in VA. Her parents, sister, brother in law, etc. live here.

    Moving back when we graduate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fc View Post
    9k? Wash all the white away?
    It may be worse than the previous AR event in December. But it did not wash everything out. There will be some skiing. I think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Le Duke View Post
    My wife and I spend the summers and winter break in FoCo. Four months out of the year. We're in grad school in VA. Her parents, sister, brother in law, etc. live here.

    Moving back when we graduate.

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    Just moved to the Denver metro. I can't imagine FoCo winters. They've got to be a bit harsh.

    But I wanna check out horsetooth. It's supposed to be some nice riding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stripes View Post
    Just moved to the Denver metro. I can't imagine FoCo winters. They've got to be a bit harsh.

    But I wanna check out horsetooth. It's supposed to be some nice riding.
    Just depends on perspective, I guess. I don't find the winters here bad at all. A few cold days but on the whole, relatively temperate. Lots of sun and dry, salt-free roads.

    Horsetooth is great. Larimer County just purchased land on the west side of the ridgeline and is set to almost double the size of HTMP. I presume they will build trails there, as well. The parking thing is a non-issue. I ride there from town, and rarely see more than a few people out on the trails, regardless of how packed the parking areas are.

    Here's a screenshot, actual temperature, on my way into work one morning when I was stationed in upstate NY. Wind chill was -70 something. It got colder on my 15min drive, as I left the "urban" heat island, but didn't take another picture. -42 was the lowest, per my car thermometer. Fort Collins is lovely by comparison.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Le Duke View Post
    Just depends on perspective, I guess. I don't find the winters here bad at all. A few cold days but on the whole, relatively temperate. Lots of sun and dry, salt-free roads.
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    YES. But our perspective is California. When we want cold, we drive over there to the hills. And then we get t heck out after a few days.
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    This is likely too much to ask, but, do any of the mentioned smaller cities (smaller than Portland) have an active rowing club? I am not sure if I can convince my wife that kayaking is a viable substitute, although she loves that too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stripes View Post
    Just moved to the Denver metro. I can't imagine FoCo winters. They've got to be a bit harsh.

    But I wanna check out horsetooth. It's supposed to be some nice riding.
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    We moved to RWC 7 years ago. I told my wife that there are a couple problems when you move here.
    1. its expense
    2. the weather is so good you will never want to leave.

    The big problem that has happened is how crowded it has become. Not just in town driving around but, the trails and everything else you want to do. Too many people.

    Housing prices have doubled in that time. While our income has grown quit significantly we still can't buy a house and rents have become absurd. Now we make too much to leave, but not enough to stay.

    So for the past 2 years we did some travel and looked at places. We have had job offers in SLO, Portland and our favorite place I'm not sharing. We turned down SLO/Portland and used it to for a nice pay increase here. We would have been out a year ago but that is the one offer we couldn't come to a number on and we had to say no.

    I have either visited or lived many of the places mentioned here. And to be honest there are not perfect spots. However, I'll throw out some places I've researched, but have not visited yet.

    Tennessee, especially east near the smokey mountains (knoxville).
    If you don't mind winters Boone, NC is a college town(my brother in law lives there), but I don't think there are too many jobs there, but it is a ski area.

    Definitely some New Mexico areas should be looked at too.

    I'm ready to go, my wife wants to stay for the weather. We don't ride as much as we used to and while good riding is a requirement for us at the next location it's not defining the location. Weather, pay, cost of living, quality of life, proximity to outdoor locations (4 hours or less) are more important to us at this point.


    I forgot one really good place that I love to go riding. Hurricane/St. George. I would move to Hurricane if we could. So close to so much. Good weather and even when its blasting hot out you can get a ride in the morning before it goes nuclear.

    Hurricane does not meet some of our requirements such as proximity to a major airport, but its pretty close to perfect for us. Affordable, not over crowded, Zion, grand canyon (if you haven't ridden rainbow rim trail you should).

    I would be interested in the demographics of people staying and going. Age/kids/$$$/Career

    Certainly having money makes staying here easier, but it seems like quality of life (thats not about money per say) is really pushing people out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fc View Post
    YES. But our perspective is California. When we want cold, we drive over there to the hills. And then we get t heck out after a few days.
    True but I'll tell you after a foot of snow yesterday, the roads are maintained well and there is infrastructure here to support snow. Still thinking of getting a fat bike.

    This morning I can't believe i said "it feels nice now that we are at 19 degrees."

    But Le Duke is right--winters here aren't too bad. Learning to live with snow is definitely a mind change, but when you see people XC skiing and snowshoeing in the street, you learn to adapt.

    And find a hill and get a sled

    Still thinking a fat bike is good too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stripes View Post
    True but I'll tell you after a foot of snow yesterday, the roads are maintained well and there is infrastructure here to support snow. Still thinking of getting a fat bike.

    This morning I can't believe i said "it feels nice now that we are at 19 degrees."

    But Le Duke is right--winters here aren't too bad. Learning to live with snow is definitely a mind change, but when you see people XC skiing and snowshoeing in the street, you learn to adapt.

    And find a hill and get a sled

    Still thinking a fat bike is good too.
    Very good points. Infrastructure is good. And clothing and the accumulation of the proper ones makes a difference.

    But most important is human beings acclimate. We adapt and survive by nature. And manage to have fun along the way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fc View Post
    Very good points. Infrastructure is good. And clothing and the accumulation of the proper ones makes a difference.

    But most important is human beings acclimate. We adapt and survive by nature. And manage to have fun along the way.
    Yep and before the last snowfall hit, I got in solid riding time. You just have to have stuff to keep yourself busy and happy.

    Here, everyone seems to have an active lifestyle. My general rule here:
    - if I can I go ride
    - if I can't go ride, I go to the gym
    - if I can't make the gym, it's because I'm shoveling snow. And trust me, it's quite the workout.

    My asthma is much better here, so is my mental health, and diet.

    There are a lot of trails here, and I'm sure there will be some I never ride. And I don't ski or snowboard (my knees). But trestle is an hour away and once the bike park opens, I'll be there regularly in the summer. I couldn't do that in the Bay Area, and it was impossible to get to Tahoe in less than 6 hours unless you leave in the mornings on fridays.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skeggs1993 View Post
    This is likely too much to ask, but, do any of the mentioned smaller cities (smaller than Portland) have an active rowing club? I am not sure if I can convince my wife that kayaking is a viable substitute, although she loves that too.
    In the kinda same area yeah. Eugene, Salem, Albany, and Corvallis all would yes. Albany and especially Corvallis would be great places to live. You got Mac Forest and Alsea right there for riding. Close to the coast, close to the mountains and very low cost of living comparatively. Block 15, one of the best breweries in Oregon, is there. I always see people rowing crew when I drive over the bridge into town, so would assume crew is big thing in Corvallis.

    Edit- most importantly you're 45 min away from Oakridege...my own personal dream place to live. An absolute wonderland for the outdoor enthusiast.
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    Since this is a destination thread and some places in this zone have been mentioned I'll add I'd take snow all day long. In the valley from say Ashland to Bellingham you get roughly 6 months of cold (40°ish) rain. Most of the habitable places in this zone take a 1.5 hour drive to escape the rain. Unless you're a whitewater kayaker this can really suck. So yes I would love it if all that rain were snow.
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    Another reason to consider Reno....Mt Rose is the only ski area within an hour of Tahoe that got snow today...let's not talk about downtown flooding however....

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    I mostly grew up on the peninsula. I switched careers 5 years ago after making nothing as a software developer at a startup for 5 years and hating the intensity. I'm finally making good money but today's peninsula has not grown up the way I thought it would ten years ago and we want to leave. However my industry's focal points are in SFBA, SD, Chicago, NC, and NJ.

    My wife doesn't want to go back to snow after growing up in NJ and OH. She's a city girl though, I dunno if she could make it more than an hour from a major airport.

    I want outdoor recreation and I don't like hot weather. It was pouring rain today and I was out BBQing. I have rain gear from Portland, it's all good.

    I like biking, hockey, skiing, windsurfing. I can do all those in the bay area, will be hard to give it up.

    We have traveled a lot. My wife has hit 40 states, just missing southern ones, North Dakota, Maine and Vermont.

    Sacramento seems like the most realistic option. I went to Davis and I'm down with Sac. We really like Santa Cruz, but it's not cheap enough given the pay hit we would take to live there.

    If you're going to give up Bay Area pay, you might as well go to an even cheaper city says my rational mind... Reno has no income tax, Seattle has no income tax. If you're pay drops 50%, but your taxes go down 10%, well then that's not so bad, right?

    I've never been to Colorado, which seems high on a lot of people's lists.

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    CO is great, Denver is a wonderful city but it has gotten pretty expensive. I'm still a fan of Reno, lots of jobs there and great climate/outdoor options. Also a great attitude generally, especially when it comes to recreation. They view it as a core 'value' of the region, so when things like trails should be built, they just to out and get them done. The amount of trail building that goes on there is really impressive, and all with the full support of land managers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WHALENARD View Post
    Since this is a destination thread and some places in this zone have been mentioned I'll add I'd take snow all day long. In the valley from say Ashland to Bellingham you get roughly 6 months of cold (40°ish) rain. Most of the habitable places in this zone take a 1.5 hour drive to escape the rain. Unless you're a whitewater kayaker this can really suck. So yes I would love it if all that rain were snow.
    eh, I would say from oakridge north you are in the rain valley. Grants Pass, Ashland, Medford, etc are much more similar to Redding weather-wise in the winter. I just moved to Ashland and while the temps are cold, storms tend to move in and move out, not the perpetual rain/mist of Eugene-North.

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    I'm going to make it a goal to visit Denver and Reno this year then. I have only stopped in Reno a couple times on horrible road trips through Nevada that deserve their own threads.

    Two more things
    1) My wife always complained that people aren't "real" in SF (and this now applies to the suburbs too). I learned what she meant when I visited Columbus and Portland (c. 2006/07, PDX especially has changed since): it was really easy to approach strangers and have a decently deep conversation. Something about megacities makes people guarded IMO.
    2) You can theoretically do everything in the SFBA but practically it's very limited by traffic. Last year I got 6 days of skiing in, 5 days of windsurfing, 4 days of hockey, and probably a dozen good MTB rides (half of them in Oregon, heh), because I can't actually drive to anything except windsurfing midweek unless I take a day off. Tahoe, Santa Cruz, HMB, Sharks Ice, they're all RIGHT THERE but there's no way the drive will be worth it. Depending on where you live one of those might be more accessible than the others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WHALENARD View Post
    Since this is a destination thread and some places in this zone have been mentioned I'll add I'd take snow all day long. In the valley from say Ashland to Bellingham you get roughly 6 months of cold (40°ish) rain. Most of the habitable places in this zone take a 1.5 hour drive to escape the rain. Unless you're a whitewater kayaker this can really suck. So yes I would love it if all that rain were snow.
    I've been all along the 5 between Ashland and Vancouver during winter and normarin's comments are spot on. Ashland is much drier and gets more sun. I dunno if it was normal, but I got more relatively more sun in January in Vancouver than I have in several visits to SEA or PDX (dec/jan). It was cold though.

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    I should be going to bed but these are the resources I have used to scope out places

    1) Walkscore - hard to tell from just looking at a map where population clusters are. Also helps decide where you might want to be if you like density or if you hate density.
    2) At 8am and 5pm, go to Google Maps and turn on traffic. Take a screenshot. You now know where the jobs are and where people live.
    3) Go to Redfin and choose a comparable house. Example: Our $1mil rental in bay area is probably $400k in Sacramento.
    4) Glassdoor to figure out pay at possible employers.
    5) This might be controversial but... Redfin/Trulia/Zillow, look at housing prices over last five years. S&P500 has been like 14% annual growth, which means almost doubling over 5 years, which is about what San Mateo has seen in housing prices as well. I'd be concerned about a city or neighborhood that is lagging that by a lot... I just looked at the stats of Ward 1 in Reno, and avg went from 183k to 382k, which is MORE than 2x. Another example, Woodstock, Portland, OR went from 216k to 402k, which is less than 2x but not bad.

    I once went and did this for a list of top 20 cities to mountain bike in on MTBR's front page, and found that some of them were doing really poorly. They might be great to mountain bike in, but for whatever reason, money is not flowing into them, and it's probably tough to get a job.

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    If you move to Davis or Sac you can kite or windsurf at Sherman which is not that far away and better than 3rd or Coyote in my opinion. Warmer weather and water plus a great sense of community. If you want to windsurf where you live the choices are limited. Bay Area, Hood River, Maui, Hatteras.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cohenfive View Post
    CO is great, Denver is a wonderful city but it has gotten pretty expensive. I'm still a fan of Reno, lots of jobs there and great climate/outdoor options. Also a great attitude generally, especially when it comes to recreation. They view it as a core 'value' of the region, so when things like trails should be built, they just to out and get them done. The amount of trail building that goes on there is really impressive, and all with the full support of land managers.
    Compared to the Bay Area, hell no. 39% less cost of living. San Diego, my second choice: 19% less. Couldn't justify San Diego. However, yes, Denver has a higher cost of living than most of the country, but after being in San Jose for the past 12 years, it's still better.

    But yes, Denver's prices are climbing, and some areas are more expensive than others. If you want Bay Area prices, Boulder is much closer to the expense level.

    This area has one of the healthiest active lifestyles I've seen. Many people don't mountain bike in the winter--others are fat bikers (several year round). If you don't want to be outside, there's plenty of indoor activities to do (roller skating is actually a big thing here, so I have something to do when I don't want to be outside, especially when it's 9 degrees outside).

    I can't ski or snowboard (knee issues), but there's so much to do here that it's ridiculous.

    There are so many trails in the Front Range, and even an hour or so away. And lots of bike parks. I'm picking up a new DJ, because there are a lot of them here and I don't have to drive an hour to use it like I did when I lived in San Jose. Calabazas sucks, and the SJ bike park wasn't done (not sure if it is now) when I left.

    A lot of people complain about the crowds here, but everything is relative. If I came to Denver from NC, sure, I would find it expensive and crowded. But coming from the Bay Area, it's much more laid back and less expensive. Except seafood. Seafood is really expensive here (then again, not near an ocean and I'm pretty picky about where I go).

    I definitely miss being able to ride Ft. Ord in the winter. I'm not much of a snow person, and people here do NOT ride muddy trails. After a good snowfall (5" this week, 12" last week), the snow evaporates fast because it's so dry here, but the mud takes a while to go away. You have some windows between some snow to ride, but it's not like riding Ft. Ord in the rain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WHALENARD View Post
    Since this is a destination thread and some places in this zone have been mentioned I'll add I'd take snow all day long. In the valley from say Ashland to Bellingham you get roughly 6 months of cold (40°ish) rain. Most of the habitable places in this zone take a 1.5 hour drive to escape the rain. Unless you're a whitewater kayaker this can really suck. So yes I would love it if all that rain were snow.
    Speaking of destinations, a few months ago you said you planned on moving by March. Did you ever decide on a place? March is getting close. I'd probably pick Salida off your list if mountain biking was all I cared about but Brevard for all around life. You are surrounded by world class trails, hiking & white-water as well as all kinds of civil war history. Tons of easy access to cool cities as well like Nashville, Charlotte & Charleston just for starters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stripes View Post
    There are so many trails in the Front Range, and even an hour or so away. And lots of bike parks. I'm picking up a new DJ, because there are a lot of them here and I don't have to drive an hour to use it like I did when I lived in San Jose. Calabazas sucks, and the SJ bike park wasn't done (not sure if it is now) when I left.
    Lake Cunningham is still in progress. There aren't many bike park options unless you drive to Santa Cruz.

    I'm curious how San Diego was your second choice because the MTB scene seems to be pretty lame, like the bay area if it didn't have Santa Cruz I've thought about SD a lot but it's not that much cheaper and I'd give up windsurfing and skiing and make no progress on biking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Obi View Post
    SMH. I got three words to add to this thread right now that everyone will say none of us saw coming 17 years ago.

    "Redwood City Gentrification".
    I grew up in RWC. Almost everyone on our street and adjoining street has sold out and moved to Sac or the Foothills. Even just a couple years ago you could sell your crummy ranch house for over a million and get something in Sac for 400k or in the foothills for 200k. Retire the instant the kids are off to college.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fitek View Post
    Lake Cunningham is still in progress. There aren't many bike park options unless you drive to Santa Cruz.

    I'm curious how San Diego was your second choice because the MTB scene seems to be pretty lame, like the bay area if it didn't have Santa Cruz I've thought about SD a lot but it's not that much cheaper and I'd give up windsurfing and skiing and make no progress on biking.
    San Diego has cleaner air than the Bay Area. Main reason for the move is my asthma. Seattle, Denver, and San Diego were all in the last part of the decision.

    One of the reasons San Diego is still high on my list is I'd like to work as a master builder at legoland (my other passion is building Lego sculptures). But it doesn't pay much ($12/hour last I checked).

    Even if we kept both of our tech jobs, San Diego is just as expensive as the Bay Area and we would prolly have to live inland instead on the coast where the air is better.

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    It seems you have to go live along the 15 to find reasonable housing now (my work would be in La Jolla area, so I never looked at east SD or south). My sister lives off 15 past Escondido and I dunno that the air quality is that good. It's hazey fairly often.

    I worked in SD 5 years ago for half a year and traffic has gotten much much worse. I couldn't afford La Jolla then, so I staid further out and drove in. If I had picked somewhere to get a house back then, it'd be along the coast in North County but the commute on 5 now is so awful. Nowadays I'd pick Poway or nearby.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fitek View Post
    It seems you have to go live along the 15 to find reasonable housing now (my work would be in La Jolla area, so I never looked at east SD or south). My sister lives off 15 past Escondido and I dunno that the air quality is that good. It's hazey fairly often.

    I worked in SD 5 years ago for half a year and traffic has gotten much much worse. I couldn't afford La Jolla then, so I staid further out and drove in. If I had picked somewhere to get a house back then, it'd be along the coast in North County but the commute on 5 now is so awful. Nowadays I'd pick Poway or nearby.
    Yep which is why San Diego is out. Carlsbad, anywhere along the ocean in north county would be just unaffordable. No way I would want to live inland like Temecula or Menifee.

    Living in Colorado allows me to visit San Diego more often. Flights are just as much as from San Jose or SFO as they are from Denver, but cost of living is cheaper here.

    So it gets us the best of both worlds

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    Quote Originally Posted by fitek View Post
    Two more things
    1) My wife always complained that people aren't "real" in SF (and this now applies to the suburbs too). I learned what she meant when I visited Columbus and Portland (c. 2006/07, PDX especially has changed since): it was really easy to approach strangers and have a decently deep conversation. Something about megacities makes people guarded IMO.
    True dat, but it's a spiral: If you believe it's true you lose interest in fostering good communications yourself.

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    2) You can theoretically do everything in the SFBA but practically it's very limited by traffic. Last year I got 6 days of skiing in, 5 days of windsurfing, 4 days of hockey, and probably a dozen good MTB rides (half of them in Oregon, heh), because I can't actually drive to anything except windsurfing midweek unless I take a day off. Tahoe, Santa Cruz, HMB, Sharks Ice, they're all RIGHT THERE but there's no way the drive will be worth it. Depending on where you live one of those might be more accessible than the others.
    You might want to consider some of the public transportation options and bike paths around here. My #1 challenge in the bay area as a sales guy is figuring out how to never catch rush hour traffic. If you insist on driving during peak hours you might as well move out, because you're never truly going to see the bay area from your little plastic box with windows anyway. I work ~50 hours a week and ride 5 days a week (mixed road/mtb). If that wasn't the case I'd be long gone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ohmygato View Post
    You might want to consider some of the public transportation options and bike paths around here.
    I do actually avoid peak traffic, to a degree. Unfortunately school drop off & pickup is unavoidable and I have to time it w/ client expectations (I have to work when they work). I drive between multiple sites so biking and public transit is not an option. Typical day is SM->Burlingame->Hayward-> South SF -> Burlingame -> SM. It's impossible on public transit. If our transit system wasn't so Balkanized, maybe.

    I could switch to remote work and take a 30-40% pay hit and have more free time, but then I might as well just go somewhere with great MTB riding and skiing and a lower cost of living to offset the pay drop. My napkin estimation is, for example, that we'd have the same purchasing power in WA side of PDX w/ 30% less income. If we can put up with the rain and crap skiing

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    Are all the trails in close proximity to EDH/GB/Roseville very XCish? Looking at MTBProject it sure looks that way, but I dunno if there's, uh, unofficial trails.

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    I'm considering the very likelihood of checking out (almost completely) from Santa Cruz for the Sierras. I work remotely and in Plumas County, they've been running fiber and point to point wifi.

    While lacking urban niceties, access to snow and mountain biking, lack of people, and fiber...

    So tempting.

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    My wife and I are thinking of the Auburn area in a few years. All depending on her career change. For me, I'll be staying in SF for the work week then head back on the weekends. At least that's the plan as of now. It's good for both of us. Can afford property with enough room for her horses. Outdoor for both. MTB and Hwy 49 for moto. Close enough to Sac and far enough from SF.

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    My wife and I are thinking of the Auburn area in a few years. All depending on her career change. For me, I'll be staying in SF for the work week then head back on the weekends. At least that's the plan as of now. It's good for both of us. Can afford property with enough room for her horses. Outdoor for both. MTB and Hwy 49 for moto. Close enough to Sac and far enough from SF.
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    I'm going to re-post this so no more Californians and Texans move to Fort Collins.

    Yes, and Boulder has more in-town mountain biking opportunities, better bike paths, no wind, easier winters and more affordable housing.

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    We NEED to hear from these OTHER towns now. Bend, Portland, Truckee, Denver, East Coast.

    How is it really in the winter?
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    Weather is a frame of mind.

    If you truly love all 4 seasons nothing beats the north east coast. The tree cover on the east cost is mind boggling. Go look at google earth. You can't see the houses. Its amazing.

    I'm 43 and when I was a kid we would get a few winter storms a year then slowly they disappeared. For about a decade we had very mild winters and it was definitely a subject of conversation.

    Right before we moved 7 years ago we started getting storms again, not just snow but wicked rain storms and river were flooding like crazy.

    When we got out here the storms continued making national news and the winter weather seems to be more like when I was a kid.

    My wife and I are trying to leave as well but pay scale and weather are two huge hurtles to overcome. I mentioned a few places we are willing to go, but we can't leave the pay.

    Weather isn't everything. Obviously like minded people, work, entertainment a big one I here mention is loosing their social group and having to start over, which if you are older definitely is more difficult.

    I doubt SFO natives would appreciate the 4 season of the east coast. If you want to go east though NC, TN are definitely some places to look. If you are in the medical world you have the Healthcare triangle in NC. Boone, NC is a college town and ski area. Options area bound in this country for sure.

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    I'm going to make it a goal to visit Denver and Reno this year then. I have only stopped in Reno a couple times on horrible road trips through Nevada that deserve their own threads.
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    Quote Originally Posted by heythorp View Post
    Weather is a frame of mind.

    If you truly love all 4 seasons nothing beats the north east coast. The tree cover on the east cost is mind boggling. Go look at google earth. You can't see the houses. Its amazing.

    I'm 43 and when I was a kid we would get a few winter storms a year then slowly they disappeared. For about a decade we had very mild winters and it was definitely a subject of conversation.

    Right before we moved 7 years ago we started getting storms again, not just snow but wicked rain storms and river were flooding like crazy.

    When we got out here the storms continued making national news and the winter weather seems to be more like when I was a kid.

    My wife and I are trying to leave as well but pay scale and weather are two huge hurtles to overcome. I mentioned a few places we are willing to go, but we can't leave the pay.

    Weather isn't everything. Obviously like minded people, work, entertainment a big one I here mention is loosing their social group and having to start over, which if you are older definitely is more difficult.

    I doubt SFO natives would appreciate the 4 season of the east coast. If you want to go east though NC, TN are definitely some places to look. If you are in the medical world you have the Healthcare triangle in NC. Boone, NC is a college town and ski area. Options area bound in this country for sure.

    we started throwing around the idea of Italy for a few years.
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    Great info!!

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    I should add some other north east info. You might be surprised by how many places there are to ride. It's completely different riding from here. It will be tree covered roots and rocks galore. It's a much more challenging place to ride. You will get super fit here but there you will become a better rider.

    If you are a surfer the atlantic is warm and you don't need a suit during the summer. Skiing is a bit hit or miss and will be the worst conditions you will ever ski (ice)

    But you can live close to all of it. I was 25 minutes from Manhattan. 1:15 to Jersey shore, 1 hour to the Poconos. The cool thing about the east coast is things are so close. Boston, NY, Philly, DC only 8 hours between them all. Add in Maine and the south there is so much to do and so many different places to ride.


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    Great info!!

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    Oh grabbed an XTC 275plus. Need to make room for it. Anyone looking for a cannonade evo, anthem or xtc 275. something needs to go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fc View Post
    We NEED to hear from these OTHER towns now. Bend, Portland, Truckee, Denver, East Coast.

    How is it really in the winter?
    I don't live in Bend or Portland, but I've spent a fair bit of time in both and have friends in both places. The comment I have heard from Bend folks is that there is nothing to do for work. A few cashed out and moved away (to Ashland and Sacramento); one is still there, but does the airplane commute to SF.

    I spent a week in Portland in mid November to see what it's like day to day. I was working remotely that week. I thought it was awesome that I could bike around everywhere (bought rain gear and I stayed perfectly dry through it all). Some parts of the city were beautiful with fall colors, others, the trees were barren and it looked apocalyptic (I took notes and video, if you're really interested). If I had to drive near downtown at all, it would have sucked. Traffic since I first visited in 2007 is much worse. I don't quite get it as public transit works relatively well there.

    I've been in PDX in January and February. The lack of light was more impactful than the rain. In the bay area, even if it's overcast, you still get some decent amount of light coming through the clouds usually. This wasn't the case in Portland. It was depressingly gray. We were visiting and people we interacted with were much friendlier than SF, so we thought that warmth from the people made up for the weather, at least for one week at a time.

    I could see how the winter weather would get tiring after a few months. People flood out to enjoy the breaks in the weather. The locals told me to plan for trips to the sun during the winter. A "mandatory" trip to San Diego or Hawaii during the winter sounds horrible

    Also it's usually not quite cold enough to snow, but close to freezing= freezing rain. In San Mateo, it usually warms up when it's raining (like today) to high 50s.

    Here's a couple resources for light and rain amounts. The light map is broken into 10 colors; San Mateo is 9/10 and Portland is 2/10. Seattle is 1/10. The rain map is not quite so tragic for Seattle and Portland as their reputations suggest.

    Precipitation map:
    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...of_the_USA.png

    Avg daily sunlight:
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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtvert View Post
    Ha, ha.... really cool.

    It's a good reminder of the great aspects of our area. Usually when real estate is very high, people want to move there, for a reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtvert View Post
    Boise made #12. Not bad. From my house there (which is less than a mile from the center of downtown), I can ride 5 minutes to any number of trailheads and access 200+ miles of trail (and the 200 miles of trail does not include the fireroads where you can gravel bike yourself lost). Too bad there is a winter, but if you like skiing, you're golden.

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    Btw, when TahoeBC is in town we're #2.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fitek View Post
    Are all the trails in close proximity to EDH/GB/Roseville very XCish? Looking at MTBProject it sure looks that way, but I dunno if there's, uh, unofficial trails.
    Yep, mostly XC. A few spots that are more than XC. Auburn has more non-XC legally. Georgetown has some legal not XC trails too.

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    departed in late 79 only to return to collect my belongings and been in Nv ever since. Once maybe twice a year i visit for 2 days but thats all i can take of the all me me crowd.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fc View Post
    We NEED to hear from these OTHER towns now. Bend, Portland, Truckee, Denver, East Coast.

    How is it really in the winter?
    Hey Francis, interestingly enough our metro Denver winter weather is pretty close to your San Jose weather. At least for the next 10 days and just a wee bit colder at night.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nvphatty View Post
    departed in late 79 only to return to collect my belongings and been in Nv ever since. Once maybe twice a year i visit for 2 days but thats all i can take of the all me me crowd.
    Hit me up the next time you're in town and I'll give you a tour of the redwood trails.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2melow View Post
    Hey Francis, interestingly enough our metro Denver winter weather is pretty close to your San Jose weather. At least for the next 10 days and just a wee bit colder at night.

    https://weather.com/weather/tenday/l/USCO0105:1:US

    https://weather.com/weather/tenday/l/USCA0993:1:US
    That's pretty amazing. You guys want the 49ers? Cheap.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fc View Post
    We NEED to hear from these OTHER towns now. Bend, Portland, Truckee, Denver, East Coast.

    How is it really in the winter?
    Winter is a non-constant from October to May here in the Denver metro. This week and next is 50-60s with no snow. Last week we barely broke 30.

    February is historically the coldest month. March is the snowiest. So far, we will see. I last rode beginning of February before I went off to San Diego for a few days. Came back to nice weather here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtvert View Post
    Which shows how effed up other US urban areas are; and prolly why that goofball got elected president.
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    Those rankings are idiotic without some meaningful quantifiable metrics and useless if those metrics don't include what's important to you.

    There's a top 20 places to live for mountain bikers list out there, but it doesn't get into specifics of the type of riding (eg I don't count XC trails personally) and whether you'd like it to be right in your backyard or its OK to drive an hour to it. And since its focused on MTB it doesn't account for anything else you might be doing with your life.

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    It's U.S. News and World Report, so I think their metrics are legit.

    However, these kinds of lists are always a bit subjective, meant to attract attention/slash magazines, and--of course--your mileage will vary (haters gonna hate).
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    Quote Originally Posted by fitek View Post
    Those rankings are idiotic without some meaningful quantifiable metrics and useless if those metrics don't include what's important to you.

    There's a top 20 places to live for mountain bikers list out there, but it doesn't get into specifics of the type of riding (eg I don't count XC trails personally) and whether you'd like it to be right in your backyard or its OK to drive an hour to it. And since its focused on MTB it doesn't account for anything else you might be doing with your life.
    All lists are imperfect. But hey, they are data points that are meaningful to the general public, specially if they are from viable sources.
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    All of these "best place to live" lists start with the assumption that the best place to live is a city.

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    ^^ I'm with you (even with the spam)! We rode UC last weekend and it was post-apocalyptic. Exquisite!

    Andy- It was a rating for urban areas. There's no shortage of "best small town" lists. Outside Magazine does a good one every year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtvert View Post
    Andy- It was a rating for urban areas.
    The headlines in the Murkey News and in USNWR say "Best Places to Live".
    In the following text they say "metro areas" but in fact they focus almost entirely on the cities.


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    There's no shortage of "best small town" lists. Outside Magazine does a good one every year.
    Of course, the best small towns are small enough to escape their notice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by heythorp View Post
    I should add some other north east info. You might be surprised by how many places there are to ride. It's completely different riding from here. It will be tree covered roots and rocks galore. It's a much more challenging place to ride. You will get super fit here but there you will become a better rider.
    I've lived and ridden all over the country.

    No place has done more for my technical ability than VA/NC. No offense to OR, UT, CA, or my second home in the Front Range, but those are all amateur hour compared to the slime and moss covered rocks and roots of the southern Appalachians.

    Here's a classic descent near me:

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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckha62 View Post
    I'm thinking Oroville.
    Some deals to be had perhaps?

    Let me tell you man, there's gonna be some motivated sellers up in the Santa Cruz mountains soon.
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    Some deals to be had perhaps?

    Let me tell you man, there's gonna be some motivated sellers up in the Santa Cruz mountains soon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DirtJunky View Post
    First the wells were drying up, now the dirt mountains have turned to pudding.
    Too much too soon.

    The trees are half-dead and the land is bone dry, then the wind and the deluge comes. I think the land is in shock.

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    Some deals to be had perhaps?

    Let me tell you man, there's gonna be some motivated sellers up in the Santa Cruz mountains soon.
    Very likely. Come on up. Anything that doesn't slide this winter isn't gonna, ever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Le Duke View Post
    I've lived and ridden all over the country.

    No place has done more for my technical ability than VA/NC. No offense to OR, UT, CA, or my second home in the Front Range, but those are all amateur hour compared to the slime and moss covered rocks and roots of the southern Appalachians.

    Here's a classic descent near me:

    https://www.instagram.com/p/BOVixqsj-2A/
    Completely agree. I learned to ride in NC. Nothing like riding over slick roots to learn how to control yer bike. Trial by slick roots.

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    Completely agree. I learned to ride in NC. Nothing like riding over slick roots to learn how to control yer bike. Trial by slick roots.
    My God! What are those big square like chunks? Rocks? I've heard about such things, but these are beyond mythic on the Mendocino coast! In my older age, I believe I will stay here and play on trails that are not accustom to such exposure to whatever it was you were bouncing off of.

    We are gnarless, we are basically wimps and love it! How long do your bikes last, two runs, if one doesn't crash in it? Wheel truing must be an art form? Are there any older riders still alive there? Did you use a steady cam for the GoPro? My curiosity is just blown away by this sort of craziness. But, I am actually amazed you ride this stuff. The BC gnar can not even hold a candle to your abuse! I bet you guys have no fillings either? Or maybe no teeth too? That sh*t would make the Red Bull Rampage pale in comparison. I hope you're getting a huge sponsorship to run that section more than once!

    Regardless, kudos to you guys for the ballsiness and the fun video!

    Here is one of our trails (not a rock to be seen):

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    ...or what's left of it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by RooHarris View Post
    My God! What are those big square like chunks? Rocks? I've heard about such things, but these are beyond mythic on the Mendocino coast! In my older age, I believe I will stay here and play on trails that are not accustom to such exposure to whatever it was you were bouncing off of.

    We are gnarless, we are basically wimps and love it! How long do your bikes last, two runs, if one doesn't crash in it? Wheel truing must be an art form? Are there any older riders still alive there? Did you use a steady cam for the GoPro? My curiosity is just blown away by this sort of craziness. But, I am actually amazed you ride this stuff. The BC gnar can not even hold a candle to your abuse! I bet you guys have no fillings either? Or maybe no teeth too? That sh*t would make the Red Bull Rampage pale in comparison. I hope you're getting a huge sponsorship to run that section more than once!

    Regardless, kudos to you guys for the ballsiness and the fun video!

    Here is one of our trails (not a rock to be seen):

    [ATTACH=CONFIG]1122150[/ATTACH

    ...or what's left of it!
    Ha! Not what I ride now because I get beat up so easily in my old age. I learned to ride in NC 20 years ago now. I'm slow so I either need things relatively smooth or not the square edges just feel like I'm running into a wall.

    But if it's something I'm comfortable going fast on, I like to fly these days. I'm finally the bike parks, both indoor and out, are just so much more fun for me these days.

    One of the advantages of being in Colorado is there are at least 5-6 outdoor ones, most of them rideable most of the year, and an indoor one if you like feeling like you're riding on glass

    Most of the time I'm sessioning at Valmont. I feel like a kid in a candy store being able to session so many jumps and berms and pump tracks so close to my house.


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    Let me tell you about my utterly shitty location.... So I've lived in pretty nice places before, San Luis Obispo for five years and Pleasanton for another five or so. Those places were rad, especially SLO. Talk about a great riding location SLO is. I had 10 different trails to ride from my front door and I didn't even own a vehicle. Pleasanton has a sweet hillside in town with some awesome illegal single track accessible by bicycle from front door anywhere in town.
    However, last summer I moved back to Tracy, CA near Stockton/Manteca. This place SUCKS. The closest riding is Pleasanton but with extreme, I mean extreme, traffic on 580 it takes me an hour or so to get to the trails that are only 25 miles away. There seriously ain't shit to do out here. There seriously might only be 5 other mtbers in the entire town and I don't know any of them. I'm guesstimating here. The quality of people out here just sucks. The city seriously has nothing for its youth. In fact, on week nights, the U21 teens go hangout at the local bar to play pool and shoot the shit, since they don't ID on those days. No sense of community AT ALL. Total commuter town. My fun is moseying down to the local B-dubs to drink my sorrows away at night. I want/need to get out of here so bad but it is financially I feasible right now. Hopefully within a year or two ill end up in the Reno area to be truly happy like I was the past five years living in SLO.
    In summary, don't ever live or raise a family in the Tracy/ Stockton Metro area. Nothing like Sacramento at all. Only perks is I can drive hour and half each direction (without traffic) to get to sierras, hillsides, coast, big city. End rant. Sorry for my sob story. Thought I'd cent on here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by o2a6k View Post
    Let me tell you about my utterly shitty location.... So I've lived in pretty nice places before, San Luis Obispo for five years and Pleasanton for another five or so. Those places were rad, especially SLO. Talk about a great riding location SLO is. I had 10 different trails to ride from my front door and I didn't even own a vehicle. Pleasanton has a sweet hillside in town with some awesome illegal single track accessible by bicycle from front door anywhere in town.
    However, last summer I moved back to Tracy, CA near Stockton/Manteca. This place SUCKS. The closest riding is Pleasanton but with extreme, I mean extreme, traffic on 580 it takes me an hour or so to get to the trails that are only 25 miles away. There seriously ain't shit to do out here. There seriously might only be 5 other mtbers in the entire town and I don't know any of them. I'm guesstimating here. The quality of people out here just sucks. The city seriously has nothing for its youth. In fact, on week nights, the U21 teens go hangout at the local bar to play pool and shoot the shit, since they don't ID on those days. No sense of community AT ALL. Total commuter town. My fun is moseying down to the local B-dubs to drink my sorrows away at night. I want/need to get out of here so bad but it is financially I feasible right now. Hopefully within a year or two ill end up in the Reno area to be truly happy like I was the past five years living in SLO.
    In summary, don't ever live or raise a family in the Tracy/ Stockton Metro area. Nothing like Sacramento at all. Only perks is I can drive hour and half each direction (without traffic) to get to sierras, hillsides, coast, big city. End rant. Sorry for my sob story. Thought I'd cent on here.
    The quality of people there...

    There's a lot to be said about that and a lot of us really haven't focused on it.
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    The quality of people there...

    There's a lot to be said about that and a lot of us really haven't focused on it.
    I won't comment on that but I can say culture (for now, until it gets completely priced out) is easier to find than the Denver/Boulder area. It's not that it doesn't exist--you have to try harder to find it and make things work for you.

    For me, it was much easier to get to a myriad of Japanese grocery stores in the South Bay. Where here, I have to schedule time to go downtown to hit Pacific Merchantile.

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    Don't remember if I posted here or not. 2014 I moved from SJ to Utah. Best choice I/my family made. Lots of jobs in the Lehi/Draper area. I moved to a small town called Springville just south of Provo. I've got a few local trails 3 blocks from my house. I'm paying $50 more in rent for a 4br house in a decent/nice neighborhood than than I was for a 1br apartment in San Jose. My commute is 25mi to work, and I don't worry about traffic. OK, that's a half truth. I start work at 3:30am. But during the normal commute hour it's usually not that bad.

    I've got miles of xc singletrack 15 mins away, a more dh/all mountain type riding 25 mins away, which includes a small park for practicing North Shore style riding. 30 away I've got some great xc climbing trails, a downhill flow trail, and enough loops to get a good 12-15 miles in of riding in a couple hours. I haven't made it to SLC yet to go riding but I've heard it's great up there.

    An hour away I can go to the Park City resorts, and Moab is 3 hours away.

    Snow does kill riding, but that depends on how much there is. I see lots of guys on fat bikes riding in the winter. This month I've gotten in 3 road rides, plus one in Jan. I probably could have gotten a MTB ride in a couple times as well, as the local trails would have been dry.

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    How many of the folks who have escaped have professional office jobs?

    I started leaving work a little bit earlier and biking w/ a trailer to pickup my son. It's faster than driving! And way less frustrating! That's been a lot of fun. Don't even really have to dress up as it hasn't been that cold. I've skipped the rainy days (although I have rain gear for biking dont feel like it). The upside of density...

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    Ideal arrangement

    I lived on the edge of a big city, on a farm, from ages 5-7 and absolutely loved it. This coming from an apartment in a city. I hated moving to the "in between" of suburbs after age 7.

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    I won't comment on that but I can say culture (for now, until it gets completely priced out) is easier to find than the Denver/Boulder area. It's not that it doesn't exist--you have to try harder to find it and make things work for you.

    For me, it was much easier to get to a myriad of Japanese grocery stores in the South Bay. Where here, I have to schedule time to go downtown to hit Pacific Merchantile.
    4.7% Asian demographic (2010) in Boulder, so it's pretty white at 88%. It's even lower in metro Denver. We do have some killer mexican food though with a hispanic population of about 32%!

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    Quote Originally Posted by garcia View Post
    Boise. That is where I ended up. Low cost of living, fantastic MTBing (both connected to town and throughout the state), much better traffic situation, super low crime, friendly atmosphere, all the amenities you could want, decent job opportunities (and getting better all the time as more companies move here), great for kids, tons of skiing in winter if that is your thing, similar weather (hot in summer with some rain occasionally, colder in winter but totally manageable), GREAT for kids, airport is a short drive away with flights anywhere I would personally go, beautiful mountain view, and... that is all I have for now!

    Not sure I could have ever afforded a house in the Bay Area, here I plan on owning multiple as an investor. And the cycling... when I visit the Bay I want to ride road, the MTBing in the East Bay at least isn't even worth the time after riding here.
    We are considering Boise too. Top 5 in order 1. Park City 2. Front Range - Lakewood, Morrison 3.Boise 4. Bend 5.Colorado Springs
    We have friends in all of these areas [most in Utah] but friends who don't live there but have spent time in Boise really like it!

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    Hey look...another poll.

    Want to be happy? Move to Santa Cruz

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    That's a small part of the greater Santa Cruz-Watsonville corridor. Everybody that I know living over the hill is pretty darn happy! One measure of that is that they don't go online putting down other places...
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    I grew up in Watsonville and was pretty surprised at that claim..I wouldn't move back.. but mom still lives there..

    Anyway if the poll measured that strip from outer Watsonville, say, freedom to the beginning of Santa Cruz, then you got aptos, seacliff, capitola, and that's a somewhat affluent area, so makes sense

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    ^^ Yeah, I can understand that.

    Quote Originally Posted by f0nz0 View Post
    Anyway if the poll measured that strip from outer Watsonville, say, freedom to the beginning of Santa Cruz, then you got aptos, seacliff, capitola, and that's a somewhat affluent area, so makes sense

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    Add in Scott's Valley/Felton and you have less affluent folks, but I would guess equally happy. For that matter anybody with one foot in the Santa Cruz Mountains is usually pretty stoked with their lives.



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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtvert View Post
    That's a small part of the greater Santa Cruz-Watsonville corridor. Everybody that I know living over the hill is pretty darn happy! One measure of that is that they don't go online putting down other places...
    Santa Cruz is not a good place to live long term unless you are homeless, you don't mind sitting in your car a couple hours a day, or you have a very high paying job that doesn't require you to leave your home. There is an extremely wide margin in Santa Cruz where people believe they can actually afford to live here but they are not actually getting above the true cost of living.

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    I've got a somewhat limited experience but can share my thoughts on Boulder/Denver and Santa Rosa.

    I've lived in CO for over 12 years; still have some property there and all my immediate family; most of the time I've spent in Boulder with a short stint in Denver. Things have changed a lot during those years and they've changed even more in the 3+ years since I've left. CO is the fastest growing state in the country I believe; people are flocking at a crazy pace. Pretty much all trails with easy access are crazy crowded. Some have black out days for riding to make things work better with different user groups.

    It's near impossible to match the variety of terrain you get to ride within a 40 minute drive from your house in Boulder (~1/1:30 hour if you're in Denver). People don't realize just how unique Boulder County is; it stretches from the plains east of Rockies all the way to the continental divide; Boulder County even has its own glaciers. Water quality, if that matters to you, is unmatched if you live within certain zip codes; pure snow melt.

    You can take a bus from Boulder into Ned then pedal over the continental divide into Winter Park if you're into that. On hot summer days you go up the canyon and are at 10k elevation riding in the woods on awesome alpine trails in perfect 65-70 degrees. On cooler days you've got a full spread of awesome trail from Golden to Lyons or even head out to Buffalo Creek west of Evergreen. People are respectful on trails; they don't generally play chicken with you like they do in Annadel.

    Denver came into its own in the car era so it's pretty spread out; you get pockets of cool separated by significant distance. Boulder is much more compact, you can be partially car free no problem. Living on the west side of Denver gets you better access to I70 and thus Golden and the high country. Golden actually is a pretty solid spot if you prioritize beer and riding over more refined flavors and cultural pursuits.

    Boulder is pretty much a mono-culture, Denver has a little more diversity; both are minimal by Bay Area standards. The biggest upside is that you get a solid margarita and good Mexican under one roof, unlike here. There is some Vietnamese population in Denver to offer a 3rd cuisine option, otherwise, not a whole lot of variety. Forget having a garden, everything will just dry out and wilt. You get used to the dry air, after a few years, everywhere else feels damp. The dry air in the winter is a blessing, cold doesn’t feel cold, especially when sun’s out.

    Having a kid makes it harder to drive to trails as that just feels like a waste of time so having Annadel in the backyard has been amazing. I haven’t really ridden much else in 3 years and I’m not bored, yet. Santa Rosa needs help to be a more interesting place to live but it seems that this may be slowly happening with folk from Oakland and SF slowly moving up here and with them they bring better ideas. Fingers crossed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ohmygato View Post
    Santa Cruz is not a good place to live long term unless you are homeless, you don't mind sitting in your car a couple hours a day, or you have a very high paying job that doesn't require you to leave your home. There is an extremely wide margin in Santa Cruz where people believe they can actually afford to live here but they are not actually getting above the true cost of living.
    I actually want to move to Santa Cruz...I love that place.

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    I'm getting pretty close to packing it up here in the Bay Area and heading out to the Denver-ish area. I end up out there for work on a semi-regular basis and I'm falling in love with all the Front Range has to offer. I know I'd have a hard time leaving the weather of the Bay behind, and that might just be the biggest thing keeping me here. I've looked at going up north to Seattle or heading back down to SoCal but COL and the job base are limiting factors with those two vs Denver where I'd be with the same employer.

    The stoke factor is high in Colorado, I worked with a few engineers there who ride and we ended up chatting about riding for hours. I really really hope I can devote some time to checking out the mountains the next time I'm there.
    I too travel to Colorado for work and have fallen in love with it as well. the mountains, the people, downtown Denver and the 200-300 less in rent is very appealing. I hear the weather is horrible but every place has its downside, including the bay area. I am considering living in the burbs just outside of Denver like Golden.

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    I love Denver, although real estate has really zoomed there...I guess so has the economy. Great riding and skiing..and anything else you need mountains for. As far as the weather goes, I think it has great weather...it just has a real winter is all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AStonich View Post
    I too travel to Colorado for work and have fallen in love with it as well. the mountains, the people, downtown Denver and the 200-300 less in rent is very appealing. I hear the weather is horrible but every place has its downside, including the bay area. I am considering living in the burbs just outside of Denver like Golden.
    Golden and Boulder are NOT cheap, neither are parts of Denver like LoHi and Lowell. Cherry Creek is ridiculous.

    There are areas that are cheaper and still can get a decent size house for what you can get for 1/2 of the price in the Bay Area. They do exist but they may not be where you think they are. I live halfway between Denver and Boulder.

    People here are really nice but like anywhere you do have your share of jerks. But overall, I've been really happy here.

    I've found some great people to ride with, even a group of women downhillers and dirt jumpers. People here are empowering and pretty laid back.

    It's hard to find culture here. You won't find it in Boulder but you will find it in Denver or even Aurora. It's just you have to drive to it.

    There's definitely a culture of fitness and dogs here. Imagine Carmel's dog friendliness on a large metro area.

    There are a lot of transplants from all over here too. And the area seems a bit transient. I see people moving as much as moving in.

    Quote Originally Posted by cohenfive View Post
    I love Denver, although real estate has really zoomed there...I guess so has the economy. Great riding and skiing..and anything else you need mountains for. As far as the weather goes, I think it has great weather...it just has a real winter is all.
    I've been here six months, and I can tell you the economy is growing here. It's not purely tech, but there are good tech companies.

    The weather can be ridiculous. Yesterday it rained. Today and tomorrow, sun. Friday rain. Saturday snow. Winter can vary. February wasn't bad at all but historically it's cold and miserable. Most of the snow hits between march and may.

    Oh yeah and traffic on I-70 and I-25 can suck, chew, and blow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cohenfive View Post
    I love Denver, although real estate has really zoomed there...I guess so has the economy. Great riding and skiing..and anything else you need mountains for. As far as the weather goes, I think it has great weather...it just has a real winter is all.

    I don't mind the real winter, and that is part of the attraction! All four seasons and the mountains for all of them. Sure real estate has zoomed like you said but luckily the re are still many jobs to be had out there whereas the Bay Area is a lot of tech stuff which is not my field.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stripes View Post
    Golden and Boulder are NOT cheap, neither are parts of Denver like LoHi and Lowell. Cherry Creek is ridiculous.

    There are areas that are cheaper and still can get a decent size house for what you can get for 1/2 of the price in the Bay Area. They do exist but they may not be where you think they are. I live halfway between Denver and Boulder.

    People here are really nice but like anywhere you do have your share of jerks. But overall, I've been really happy here.

    I've found some great people to ride with, even a group of women downhillers and dirt jumpers. People here are empowering and pretty laid back.

    It's hard to find culture here. You won't find it in Boulder but you will find it in Denver or even Aurora. It's just you have to drive to it.

    There's definitely a culture of fitness and dogs here. Imagine Carmel's dog friendliness on a large metro area.

    There are a lot of transplants from all over here too. And the area seems a bit transient. I see people moving as much as moving in.



    I've been here six months, and I can tell you the economy is growing here. It's not purely tech, but there are good tech companies.

    The weather can be ridiculous. Yesterday it rained. Today and tomorrow, sun. Friday rain. Saturday snow. Winter can vary. February wasn't bad at all but historically it's cold and miserable. Most of the snow hits between march and may.

    Oh yeah and traffic on I-70 and I-25 can suck, chew, and blow.
    Yes, Boulder and Golden are not cheap. I learned that quick but if I can pay rent for a year for the same amount out here while checking out where the trails are I am ok with that. I also don't want to live in Denver, I don't care to live in cities and rather enjoy the suburb area or in the case of Colorado, a cool mountain town.

    Agreed, Jerks are everywhere but the lesser of them the better.

    That is great ot have found a good group of riders! That is exactly how I plan to make friends, going on rides with people and finding group rides!

    I can't say I am very cultural myself, I like beer and MTB. Not much else interests me except planning longer trips to ride and finding new beer. Love being around active engaging people and can't wait to have a dog with a backyard for them to play in when i am not home. Out here I can afford a single bedroom apartment and do not want to leave a dog stuck in it all day while I am at work and paying a dog walker seems ridiculous.

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    Update: In Silicon Valley, homes are routinely selling for $200,000 or more over asking

    What’s the deal, Silicon Valley? Six months ago, there was widespread talk about the flattening of the housing market. That conversation is ancient history.
    As an example, Alain Pinel agent Mark Wong sent out an email blast this morning with this news: Almost 60 homes, mostly in Sunnyvale and Cupertino, sold for $200,000 or more over asking in the last 30 days. And we’re not necessarily talking about fancy schmancy places; the modest Cupertino home in the photo above sold for $660,000 over asking....

    In Silicon Valley, homes are routinely selling for $200,000 or more over asking
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    What do you do for work? I think without knowing this it's hard to suggest where to go. For example if you work in tech in the Bay Area it's generally not worth it to move at the moment financially speaking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OffTheTop View Post
    If I had to stay in the US:
    - Appalachia
    Native of Pennsylvanian Appalachia here.
    I sort of doubt many people from out West would really want to live in Appalachia from a mountain biking perspective let alone from a social one.

    The summers can be very humid, the trails often slick rocks and roots with world-class poison ivy, black flies, yellowjackets, horseflies, deerflies, and Lyme-infested ticks.

    Serious deer hunting makes the fall interesting - wear orange. Wet leaves, acorns, and walnuts add to the traction fun.

    Winters are cold, damp, wet and cloudy with snow here usually a heavy cement-like stuff with an icy crust that makes even fatbiking a chore.

    Spring is mud season.

    On the positive side, move here and ride our single track yearround and you will develop some serious technical skills.

    Apart from touristy places like Asheville, Killington, etc. most of "real" Appalachia wouldn't meet most outsiders' living standards. Most of the part of Appalachia I know has pretty lousy roads, bad schools, little decent employment, less than great cell and internet service, etc.

    I lived there until about 30 and had to move out for a decent job. Good people there and the area made me who I am today. Wouldn't move back though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alxrmrs View Post
    What do you do for work? I think without knowing this it's hard to suggest where to go. For example if you work in tech in the Bay Area it's generally not worth it to move at the moment financially speaking.
    How do you figure? I work in tech in the Denver metro, and it's far better here for me than it was in Silicon Valley.

    For me, this is much better than the stress I had there. And my health is better.

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    How do you figure? I work in tech in the Denver metro, and it's far better here for me than it was in Silicon Valley.

    For me, this is much better than the stress I had there. And my health is better.
    I was looking at Denver area tech jobs and they tend to pay about 50% of what the Bay Area is currently paying it seems. Maybe my salary information is incorrect but this is what I found looking on GlassDoor. There are of course probably exceptions to this (Google in Boulder, etc).

    Of course, there are a lot more factors that play into this. If you have a family you have to rent a whole place vs having 2-3 room mates. That sends your rental costs up by 200-300%.

    As far as health goes I'm sure you can find jobs on both ends of the spectrum anywhere. I once worked at a startup that we were under constant pressure from VCs. Now I'm at a job where the market pressure is actually larger but the management has it's head in the right direction and doesn't work us to death. It's more about company culture than about location I think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alxrmrs View Post
    I was looking at Denver area tech jobs and they tend to pay about 50% of what the Bay Area is currently paying it seems. Maybe my salary information is incorrect but this is what I found looking on GlassDoor. There are of course probably exceptions to this (Google in Boulder, etc).

    Of course, there are a lot more factors that play into this. If you have a family you have to rent a whole place vs having 2-3 room mates. That sends your rental costs up by 200-300%.

    As far as health goes I'm sure you can find jobs on both ends of the spectrum anywhere. I once worked at a startup that we were under constant pressure from VCs. Now I'm at a job where the market pressure is actually larger but the management has it's head in the right direction and doesn't work us to death. It's more about company culture than about location I think.
    I get paid in a comparable Bay Area salary, and I don't put in the ridiculous hours, so definitely a step up. Is it perfect? No. Tech is tech to me. But it pays the bills, and it's what I know.

    Plus I live an easy day trip from DH access. I don't see the value of going back.

    We owned a place in San Jose. Now we own in the Denver metro. I'll take this any day. While it may not be other people's speed, I'm pretty happy that it's quiet where I live and even on high ozone days, I'm not so miserable that I can't move.

    By health, I mean asthma. I'm pretty reactive to my allergies and particulate matter. My asthma is so bad in the Bay Area and along the central coast that I really can't even visit during the summer. I'll be back but only during the cooler and wetter months.

    And it sounds great, except I have family events during the summer I can't go out for because I'll be sick for 2-4 weeks, then it takes another 1-3 weeks for me to recover. That sucks.

    Also, the number one center for asthma care in the US and I think even in North America is here. And it's nice to be able to breathe.

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