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    Quote Originally Posted by squashyo View Post
    My kids are now super fired up to eat veggies and fruit...wow!
    That is VERY cool!

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    Two pieces of advice I received a long time ago regarding nutrition:

    1. If your great grandmother wouldn't have recognized it, skip it. Take yogurt. Yes, she would have recognized basic yogurt. But chemical concoctions like "GoGurt" she would not. Juices yes. Monster "Energy drinks" nope. This pretty much eliminates almost all processed foods.
    2. Stick to the border of the supermarket. What's on the walls? Fruits, vegetables, fish, chicken, dairy etc.. In the middle... "fish sticks", "chicken tenders", fruit "smoothies"..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dion View Post
    Try this

    Get a bundle of kale - $2
    A bunch of bananas - $2
    High quality orange juice

    6-8 oz. of OJ
    4-5 de-stalked kale
    1 banana
    Did that yesterday and it was approved by the misses,
    our kale is still going strong even it dipped onto the low 20's more than once.
    It is very fulfilling for me to be able to go out in the garden and just pick stuff.

    I am trying to stay simple and also use the blender,
    this worked also for us.

    1 apple or pear, cut into large pieces
    2 stalks of celery, cut into large pieces
    2 handfuls of spinach or other dark leafy greens
    1/2 banana
    add 1 or more cups of water to blend very smoothly.

    credits to Mimi Kirk's Live Raw book.

    I also watched Hungry for change again yesterday and it was a good reminder about a lot of things.

    One thing I need to keep myself reminding of is that food companies do not necessarily have your best interests in mind.

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    @Dion. The simple statement of wasn't meant to attack you - not sure why you'd interpret that way. "A piece of advice if you are wondering what whole foods or real foods are. Real food does not have nutritional labels. And also, don't listen to anyone's fitness / nutritional tips who has less fitness / nutrition than you."

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    Just watched Hungry for change. I found it pretty disappointing.
    While I agree with everything they were saying, they had no facts or studies or proof to backup any claims or statements. It seemed to be a bunch of "experts" all agreeing with each other. I thought forks over knives was better in that they site specific studies, or were even the people conducting the studies.
    I eventually turned off hungry for change before finishing it. It felt more like a 90 minute infomercial, even incorporating a "here's Jane, unhealthy, no makeup, hair a mess, with a sad color filter on the camera", followed by "here's Jane after juicing one day. She wakes up to a new life, beautiful hair, perfect makeup, and a happy color filter on the camera".

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    "Colonics" not "Enemas"

    Sheesh don't mess up years of marketing strategy! (maybe more on this later)

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    Quote Originally Posted by d-bug View Post
    Just watched Hungry for change. I found it pretty disappointing.
    While I agree with everything they were saying, they had no facts or studies or proof to backup any claims or statements. It seemed to be a bunch of "experts" all agreeing with each other. I thought forks over knives was better in that they site specific studies, or were even the people conducting the studies.
    I eventually turned off hungry for change before finishing it. It felt more like a 90 minute infomercial, even incorporating a "here's Jane, unhealthy, no makeup, hair a mess, with a sad color filter on the camera", followed by "here's Jane after juicing one day. She wakes up to a new life, beautiful hair, perfect makeup, and a happy color filter on the camera".
    ...I felt the same way; couldn't get all the way through it---"infomercial" indeed. I was able to watch the whole 1-1/2 hours of "The Skinny on Obesity" with Dr. Lustig ( Sugar: The Bitter Truth - YouTube! ) previously linked here and found it time well spent. But even this "scientific" presentation is slightly biased IMHO in that researchers need to sell their research to keep that funding coming. No matter, as Lustig says; "politics".

    My commentary on "juicing" comes more from anecdote than personal experience; I have (do) enjoyed "juices" but have never bothered with a juice fast. Didn't need to; while I was still a young lad I had several relatives (and a couple of neighbors) very much involved in the "movement". (yes pun intended) Observing their triumphs and tribulations was enough for me to adopt the "anything in moderation" philosophy. (Nothing moderate about an enem...errr colonic)

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    Inherited from my uncles; these units dispel the myth that "if you juice; you'll live forever". I think for a little while, they actually believed this mantra. Which at the time wasn't too extreme as there were (are) some "quacks" claiming that if you were totally "clean" you could live on air/sunlight alone ("Breatharians")

    Lest I waste the rest of the day ranting I'll leave with the comment that this topic is great in that it promotes nutritional awareness...

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    Inspired by this thread and started my 90 day weight loss plan. Hopefully this works.
    Breakfast today:
    2 kale stalks
    1 kiwi
    1 green apple
    1 bananna
    8oz OJ

    Down the hatch we go

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    Um, that seems like a LOT of sugar.
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    I would not call Hungry for change a informercial since they are not really plugging their products like they do in informercials.

    I would see that movie more like a easy to digest entree for people who want to change their lifestyle
    and do not need full depth information.

    Besides, who wants to live forever anyway?
    Not me, I just want to cut down on the adult diaper years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pliebenberg View Post
    ...be careful what you put up your butt...
    Wiser words were never spoken.

    In prep for a juice fast, I have been experimenting with juicing during the day and eating a sensible meal at night (all vegetarian until a couple turkey meatballs on NewYears Eve). Now I find that since I started (Dec. 27th) I have lost nearly 6lbs. I can still exercise and feel strong doing it. In fact today was 25+ miles with over 4k of climbing...felt better than ever coming up the final 2 mile climb (Stagecoach)...and all I had for breakfast was a high sugar citrus blend juice and then lemon water in two bottles for the ride.

    This has me rethinking my intended detox and just continuing with what I have been doing (a slower detox). Ultimately my goal is to loose weight and get healthier...I think I am.

    Here was my post ride drink:
    2 leafs kale
    2 tomatoes
    3 carrots
    1 handful spinach
    1 beet (stalks, leafs and all)
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    It was pretty darn good.

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    I got a Nutribullet for Xmas. Been eating lots of greens and feeling great because of it.

    That afternoon nap that I always feel necessary is no longer there and my winter riding has been very strong.

    My wife thinks I'm hilarious because I now just discovered "the vegetable" but I have been telling everyone about it.

    Good to hear I'm not the only one going on a health kick

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    Sounds interesting. It is interesting that after 3 days the hunger cravings subsided some for the OP. I think that there is a withdrawal effect the more you eat and what you eat. I have found that eating big meals, made my hunger increased after the food digested and I got just caveman hunger for the next meal.

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    This thread got me all excited. I am and have been a giant fan of juicing vegetables and fruits for some time..
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    So do you guys peel your root vegetables like beets, ginger, and carrots or just throw the whole thing in there?

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    I don't but I read that the skin of the beet can be bitter. I have tried peeling this skin but didn't notice any changes. I am told that you should peel Cucumbers if they feel waxy (organic usually does not have this).
    I'm not sure how this works.

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    I would peel them almost all if they are not organic but I try to eat less and switch to fully organic or home grown for juicing and blending and than I do not peel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Novice View Post
    I got a Nutribullet for Xmas. Been eating lots of greens and feeling great because of it.

    That afternoon nap that I always feel necessary is no longer there and my winter riding has been very strong.

    My wife thinks I'm hilarious because I now just discovered "the vegetable" but I have been telling everyone about it.

    Good to hear I'm not the only one going on a health kick
    +1 on the nutribullet. I'm loving it.

    So much easier than a juicer.

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    Just read that the sweet potato is packed with a lot of goodies so it will make it into the juicer soon.

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    Day 3

    Just to clarify: I LOVE red meat, don't drive a hybrid and love the smell of race gas and double IPAs

    I'm on day 3, hopefully I'll see the "break through" shortly. This am, I went for my first ride (El Sereno semi-daily trainer) whilst on the program. I was super sensitive of my energy level after 2 day fast-was about average, though my stomach felt better while riding.

    Other observations:
    Non-stop pee sessions
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    The average veggy juice looks like goat diarrhea, but actually tastes a tad better
    The first few days I was unusually *****y-least I have an excuse

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    Every year my goal was to not gain weight during the holidays. But I always did gain a couple. Then I'd work really hard to get rid of them in Jan-March. This year after watching forks over knives and hungry for change we decided to adopt the veggie life style. I've followed palieo and mostly non gluten for over 2 yrs. We purchased a Vitamix 5200 from Costco for $350. But after you use it a few times it justified the high price. I also downloaded a free app call Myfitnesspal to monitor daily calories. Sounds extreme, but it's very simple to use. Not only does it add up you calories minus your exercise, it gives a summary of your fats/carbs/protein for the day. With the new veggie diet I wanted to see how much protein I was getting. I was surprised to find protein in a lot of different things, including veggies. Quinoa is my new protein staple. In the month of December where I typically gain a couple of lbs, I shed 8 lbs from juicing. I did the Dr Oz 3 day detox Dr. Oz's 3-Day Detox Cleanse One-Sheet | The Dr. Oz Show This will give you everything you need, including the grocery list. I lost 5 lbs just during this process. The second day at dinner time was tough, but the third day was much better. I felt tons of focus and energy. I could have kept going. I'm digging the shakes and so far don't see any down side except for being associated with the hippy connotation. Happy blending.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trackho View Post
    Just to clarify: I LOVE red meat, don't drive a hybrid and love the smell of race gas and double IPAs

    I'm on day 3, hopefully I'll see the "break through" shortly. This am, I went for my first ride (El Sereno semi-daily trainer) whilst on the program. I was super sensitive of my energy level after 2 day fast-was about average, though my stomach felt better while riding.

    Other observations:
    Non-stop pee sessions
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    The average veggy juice looks like goat diarrhea, but actually tastes a tad better
    The first few days I was unusually *****y-least I have an excuse
    This is awesome you red neck! So, you should start feeling oddly clear headed soon and moments of trippy energy bursts.

    One note you may want to consider is that if your juice is diarrhea consistency, you may want to consider running your juice through a filter bag. You want to avoid pulp to a point because you have no fiber scrubbing the walls (notice the film on your teeth yet?). If too pulpy, you may have to work harder to pull nutrients and water into the system thus the 'unusually ****ty' feeling. Sorry to say this again but the enema will make you feel much better if you are feeling crappy (ha) in the head. Clears that pulp lining the walls and your body doesn't lack in absorption processes. Keep it up!!! How many days are you shooting for?
    I'm not sure how this works.

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    Quote Originally Posted by d-bug View Post
    Just watched Hungry for change. I found it pretty disappointing.
    While I agree with everything they were saying, they had no facts or studies or proof to backup any claims or statements. It seemed to be a bunch of "experts" all agreeing with each other. I thought forks over knives was better in that they site specific studies, or were even the people conducting the studies.
    I eventually turned off hungry for change before finishing it. It felt more like a 90 minute infomercial, even incorporating a "here's Jane, unhealthy, no makeup, hair a mess, with a sad color filter on the camera", followed by "here's Jane after juicing one day. She wakes up to a new life, beautiful hair, perfect makeup, and a happy color filter on the camera".
    Forks Over Knives presents itself as scientific but there's a lot of cherry picking of data going on there in pursuit of an agenda.

    http://rawfoodsos.com/2011/09/22/for...-and-critique/
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    Quote Originally Posted by andy f View Post
    Forks Over Knives presents itself as scientific but there's a lot of cherry picking of data going on there in pursuit of an agenda.

    “Forks Over Knives”: Is the Science Legit? (A Review and Critique) « Raw Food SOS
    Not sure if I going to bother after reading this in his intro.

    In case you aren’t yet convinced that I’ve made it my life’s mission to critique everything related to T. Colin Campbell, this should seal the deal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by acer66 View Post
    Not sure if I going to bother after reading this in his intro.
    There are plenty of other critiques out there. This one just happens to be very well documented despite the author's motivations.
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    There is always gonna be naysayers (especially those funded by deep pocketed interest groups on the other side - not saying this guy was but ya never know).

    I can only speak for personal experience which seems to be reiterated by others in this thread. Moving towards this diet just works. Can't argue with my highly reduced blood pressure, my 15 lbs weight loss some 30 days after the diet ended, general feeling of energy throughout the day, and this odd six pack under my, much smaller version of, man boobs.
    I'm not sure how this works.

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    Quote Originally Posted by squashyo View Post
    There is always gonna be naysayers (especially those funded by deep pocketed interest groups on the other side - not saying this guy was but ya never know).

    I can only speak for personal experience which seems to be reiterated by others in this thread. Moving towards this diet just works. Can't argue with my highly reduced blood pressure, my 15 lbs weight loss some 30 days after the diet ended, general feeling of energy throughout the day, and this odd six pack under my, much smaller version of, man boobs.
    My favorite juice fasts consist of celery, cucmbers, strawberries, carrots, romaine lettuce, and just about any other veggies/fruits I can juice. I did my first juice fast in late 2009 and lost 25 lbs in 30 days. Now I am a big guy to begin with, I needed to be as work made me that way. Then I changed jobs (chasing money instead of dreams) and now I am training to re-enter my previous career...I did sporadic juice fasts all of 2010, and felt fantastic. In 2011 I gained 10 lbs, and couldn't really juice fast due to work and other stuff. In 2012, I started again mid year and have lost that 10 lbs and am going for an all time loss of 25 more....that will keep me right at perfect.

    I am currently on a month long fast which started on 1-1-13 with the first 3 days slowly weening (salads and light fiber) towards a complete juice fast which will last till months-end.

    I have had naysayers saying I need to eat complex carbs and stop juice fasting in order to maintain my health and ride. This one bozo would send me bullcrap photos and articles from unknown sources and tell me that this was the proof. That it is all snakeoil...smoke and mirrors...TBH, I think the guy fried his brain out smoking to much sensi...

    The truth is, you have to do what feels right for you. If someone does not like the way you want to live, especially if it is healthy...ask them to start paying your bills and you'll then consider living according to them. Otherwise screw them.

    I hope that more mountain bikers consider implementing this into their fitness goals!

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    Quote Originally Posted by andy f View Post
    There are plenty of other critiques out there. This one just happens to be very well documented despite the author's motivations.
    Yah, there's a ton of miracle diets out there. It seems all have some validity - but most of them also espouse questionable science. And many of them really push their agenda like so many religious fanatics.

    I'm sort of over it. There's a lot of good things in veggies, fruits, naturals meats, dairy and staying away from processed crap.

    if you really wanna keep it simple - just dont eat anything that has any ingredients list on it. Buy whole foods, eat whole foods.
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    Quote Originally Posted by iheartbicycles View Post
    Yah, there's a ton of miracle diets out there. It seems all have some validity - but most of them also espouse questionable science. And many of them really push their agenda like so many religious fanatics.

    I'm sort of over it. There's a lot of good things in veggies, fruits, naturals meats, dairy and staying away from processed crap.

    if you really wanna keep it simple - just dont eat anything that has any ingredients list on it. Buy whole foods, eat whole foods.
    Wow. Iheart and I agree on something.

    So I'm on about day five of juicing in the morning. I'm not going on a fast or anything but just starting the day off with juice (some combo of celery, carrot, kale, beet, apple and orange) and maybe a piece of toast with peanut butter. So far, I like the results. Maybe it's a placebo but the energy boost feels real. I didn't intend to stop drinking coffee but I haven't needed/wanted it. I don't really feel like I want or need to "diet" as I'm 6'2"-180 but the increased energy and sharpness has been really nice. We'll see where it goes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carl Hungus View Post
    Wow. Iheart and I agree on something.

    So I'm on about day five of juicing in the morning. I'm not going on a fast or anything but just starting the day off with juice (some combo of celery, carrot, kale, beet, apple and orange) and maybe a piece of toast with peanut butter. So far, I like the results. Maybe it's a placebo but the energy boost feels real. I didn't intend to stop drinking coffee but I haven't needed/wanted it. I don't really feel like I want or need to "diet" as I'm 6'2"-180 but the increased energy and sharpness has been really nice. We'll see where it goes.
    My chiropractor got me started doing smoothies. More as a meal replacement, than anything - but I do add vegitable based protein (meat doesnt do well in blenders, and i try to limit soy intake) and add some antioxidants and omega 3's. I also limit the sugar - and just mix with water.

    But I dont consider this a diet - just something I can make quickly that is healthier than an egg mcmuffin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iheartbicycles View Post
    My chiropractor got me started doing smoothies. More as a meal replacement, than anything - but I do add vegitable based protein (meat doesnt do well in blenders, and i try to limit soy intake) and add some antioxidants and omega 3's. I also limit the sugar - and just mix with water.

    But I dont consider this a diet - just something I can make quickly that is healthier than an egg mcmuffin.

    Quick Healthy Smoothie Recipe with Dr. Bruce Presnick - YouTube
    I do a morning smoothie too. Pineapple, blueberries, a scoop of whey protein, a scoop of Green Vibrance (powdered greens + pre- and probiotics + some other stuff), a tablespoon of ground flax seeds, and almond milk. I change around the fruit for variety but always come back to pineapple and those little frozen wild blueberries from Trader Joe's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by iheartbicycles View Post
    Yah, there's a ton of miracle diets out there. It seems all have some validity - but most of them also espouse questionable science. And many of them really push their agenda like so many religious fanatics.

    I'm sort of over it. There's a lot of good things in veggies, fruits, naturals meats, dairy and staying away from processed crap.

    if you really wanna keep it simple - just dont eat anything that has any ingredients list on it. Buy whole foods, eat whole foods.
    Pretty much sums it up for me.

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    too much to read ...BUT I GET MY VITAMIX TOMORROW !!!!!!
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    Tell us how beer in the Vitamix changes the flavor...

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    Quote Originally Posted by grumblingcrustacean View Post
    Tell us how beer in the Vitamix changes the flavor...
    Funny you should mention that. Earlier this evening I made some blender sludge (using my Cuisinart SmartPower Duet™ since we don’t have a proper juicer yet) for my family and I. Well, to get the scrapins’ out of the glass, I douched it out with some Lagunitas Cappuccino Stout that I was drinking along side the sludgy treat. Tasted sorta strange, but nonetheless, no plant fiber was wasted.
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    Anyone use wakame or hijiki in their mixture? Stuff is higher in vitamins in minerals gram per gram than any land-based vegetable or fruit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leopold Porkstacker View Post
    Anyone use wakame or hijiki in their mixture? Stuff is higher in vitamins in minerals gram per gram than any land-based vegetable or fruit.
    I'm pretty sure a healthy mix of ginger, lemon, and hot peppers will mask any weird flavors the wakame/hijiki might bring.

    If concerned still, add beer. (This crowd continues to scare me ... )

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    Quote Originally Posted by grumblingcrustacean View Post
    I'm pretty sure a healthy mix of ginger, lemon, and hot peppers will mask any weird flavors the wakame/hijiki might bring.

    If concerned still, add beer. (This crowd continues to scare me ... )
    I’ve made beer milkshakes before (heavy coffee stout or porter + vanilla ice cream = ). Pretty tasty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leopold Porkstacker View Post
    I’ve made beer milkshakes before (heavy coffee stout or porter + vanilla ice cream = ). Pretty tasty.
    This is a diet thread for ****s sake...have some compassion.
    I'm not sure how this works.

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    Quote Originally Posted by squashyo View Post
    This is a diet thread for ****s sake...have some compassion.
    Sorry, I keep on forgetting that I have a metabolism rate of a 14 year old boy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by squashyo View Post
    This is a diet thread for ****s sake...have some compassion.
    but this also the Norcal forum...take it easy
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    Quote Originally Posted by snowjnky View Post
    but this also the Norcal forum...take it easy
    This mornings smoothy - pea protein, organic plain yogurt, banana's, baby food.

    Well the baby food was just pureed mango's. But it still counts!
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    Quote Originally Posted by snowjnky View Post
    but this also the Norcal forum...take it easy
    touche!
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    This weekend we will do the Hungry for change three day detox program.
    I tried the three stage detox from Dr. Schulze once but I bailed during the first stage
    because I basiclly moved into the bathroom, I hope this one will be a little less moving.

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    Quote Originally Posted by acer66 View Post
    This weekend we will do the Hungry for change three day detox program.
    I tried the three stage detox from Dr. Schulze once but I bailed during the first stage
    because I basiclly moved into the bathroom, I hope this one will be a little less moving.
    Very cool! The only thing I don't understand about a three day fast is that that is the hardest part...after three days, it is quite easy to keep going...for weeks actually. The three day will certainly help purge the system but don't shut the door on a longer fast...maybe down the road. Good luck with the 3 day and let us know how it goes!
    I'm not sure how this works.

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    so you kids have a bunch of helpful recipe do-s do you have any recipe don't-s? last thing i think one would want is green vomit. ew.

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    I have one. Raw Chard. Loaded with nutrients but makes a lot of people sick when eaten raw. I got a scratchy throat every time I was using and my bro-in-law threw up when he tried juicing it. I'd stay away from chard. Also, bananas don't juice.
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    shake of the day (made in the Vitamix instead of the juicer) - chocolate whey protein, full fat coconut milk, almond butter, dates....delicious and tons of Calories

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    OK finally started the juice/beer diet.

    got my late Xmas present, Vitamix.

    Time to experiment.
    First try:
    Kale
    Beet
    Spinach
    Carrot
    Celery
    Apple

    Not bad but I can do better; filling though.
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    Lunch:
    two leafs of kale, handful of spinach, handful of grapes, half cucumber, quarter apple and some lime juice. Way better
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    My wife just started her first 5 day fast today. She did a 3 day prep of raw veggies. I have never seen her with so much energy...I am in trouble.

    My breakfast: carrots, celery, arugula, cucumber, 3 cloves of garlic, snap peas, raspberries, and one whole orange (with skin). delightful! Wish I could ride today...Stevens Creek run tomorrow.
    I'm not sure how this works.

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