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    #twentysevenfive is dead


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    I'll probably never go back to 27.5.
    The only easy day was yesterday.

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    this topic again? yawn

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    if you need to pay for speed 29 is pry better. Your bike is like a rolling pissing contest

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    I'm waiting for the 32's.....

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    cool flower pot

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    https://youtu.be/Jj0uBQ7j5c4

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    Thusfar I've been unimpressed by the majority of production 27.5 bike geometries. Sounds like Kona is at least hitting the marks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Obi View Post
    Thusfar I've been unimpressed by the majority of production 27.5 bike geometries. Sounds like Kona is at least hitting the marks.
    Obi, that video made my day!

    All the changes in bike standards....with really how much impact on performance for the dollars you end up spending? Makes one want to go all Grant Petersen!
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    Really enjoyed that bike when I demoed it. As a tall guy, I love a nice steep seat tube angle. My Hightower is lacking a bit in that department, and it's got me looking for greener pastures.

    This bike is high on my list, but the spec is a little mehh. Waiting to see what Pivot is doing on the longer-legged 29er front.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 5k bike 50cent legs View Post
    I'll probably never go back to 27.5.
    and i'll probably never swing a leg over wagon wheels either..pffttt

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    this topic again? yawn
    yup a yawner for sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jcin View Post
    if you need to pay for speed 29 is pry better. Your bike is like a rolling pissing contest
    so true....
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    ^^^WOW...aren’t you going to start complaining about the thread being in the wrong forum, buddy?

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    #thedebateaboutwheelsizeisdead

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    Quote Originally Posted by griz View Post
    ^^^WOW...aren’t you going to start complaining about the thread being in the wrong forum, buddy?
    yo buddy!! at the very least it contains a bike, not cordless garden tools, not kids skiing, not classified material, not best nor-cal beer havens, etc, etc....get it??
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    The only easy day was yesterday.

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    For me, big and fat stops at 27.5" and 2.5" Beyond that are circus implements. Humph.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DH40 View Post
    For me, big and fat stops at 27.5" and 2.5" Beyond that are circus implements. Humph.
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    Tough crowd in here tonight....
    Wait whuuut, who did he tell you that!?!?....

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    I love Bob Ross.

    27.5 w/ 3" meat is 29" or even a little bigger.

    Best tire/wheel combination EVER.

    (For the kind of riding this old fellow does!)
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    I always preferred 650b over 27.5 anyway.
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    #twentysixisnotdead
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    #thirtysixaintdead
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe_510 View Post
    #thirtysixaintdead
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    Prior gen pedaled like crap. This one looks better, more anti squat. Waiting for one with similar geo but less travel, possibly. Sizing looks good and love Kona’s short seat tube. Might be a touch long, but can’t tell without a ride.

    Still digging the N4, personally.

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    Yee ha!
    Being a d*ck about various bike formats is alive and well.

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    Are you going with a 110mm or 120mm stem on this one?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moe Ped View Post
    I love Bob Ross.

    27.5 w/ 3" meat is 29" or even a little bigger.

    Best tire/wheel combination EVER.

    (For the kind of riding this old fellow does!)
    As another old guy, I agree completely. But, sometimes on hard easy stuff the old 26" spec FSRXC is still great and maybe a 29er would be better.

    How about 1X? Count me a skeptic. That is, until I got a bike with a 11/50 1X. Who needs an extra derailleur anyway? Droppers? Who needs a dropper. Well, after trying one to replace stopping to lower the seat on big downhills, I do.

    By the way, the video was hilarious. But, doesn't that guy know about cheap dental work in Mexico?

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    No way man.. 27.5 aint dead and neither is Elvis. I saw him on a Nomad 4 on Sunday.

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    Is that a 29er? Uhhh
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    let’s just delete this thread. complete cesspool, no quality content.

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    Not sure about deleting the thread, just read the review he wrote on the bike, very informative.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NorthSideOf50 View Post
    Not sure about deleting the thread, just read the review he wrote on the bike, very informative.
    Aye, no need to delete.

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    That review made my brain hurt. I probably would not ride bikes anymore if I put that much thought and customization into my bike(s)... but whatever floats yer boat!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buzzaro View Post
    I always preferred 650b over 27.5 anyway.
    650b is un-American. Going metric half-way has cost us dearly.

    The last war we actually won was done in inches, feet, yards and miles.

    Real men drink their beer in pints goddammit...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moe Ped View Post
    I love Bob Ross.

    27.5 w/ 3" meat is 29" or even a little bigger.

    Best tire/wheel combination EVER.

    (For the kind of riding this old fellow does!)
    So much fun it's spooky !
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moe Ped View Post
    650b is un-American. Going metric half-way has cost us dearly.

    The last war we actually won was done in inches, feet, yards and miles.

    Real men drink their beer in pints goddammit...
    Aren’t those all English measurements?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buzzaro View Post
    Aren’t those all English measurements?
    650b is actually an old French road bike designation. 650 was roughly the diameter of the wheel and tire in mm, and the 'b' was a width indicator. Ironically, 650mm is about the size of a 26 inch mountain bike rim and tire.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 5k bike 50cent legs View Post
    650b is actually an old French road bike designation. 650 was roughly the diameter of the wheel and tire in mm, and the 'b' was a width indicator. Ironically, 650mm is about the size of a 26 inch mountain bike rim and tire.
    Not those measurements, the “American” ones
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buzzaro View Post
    Not those measurements, the “American” ones
    American measurements are usually, L,XL,XXL, and XXXL. No S or M in America.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 5k bike 50cent legs View Post
    650b is actually an old French road bike designation. 650 was roughly the diameter of the wheel and tire in mm, and the 'b' was a width indicator. Ironically, 650mm is about the size of a 26 inch mountain bike rim and tire.
    Learn something new every day. I just always assumed 650mm was roughly 27.5”.

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    I can totally get behind the 29ers have won comment but boy is PVD hard to swallow, so unapologetically opinionated and so wrong in some of his statements.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GreatWhite415 View Post
    Are you going with a 110mm or 120mm stem on this one?
    BOOM. MIC DROP! You guys can all go home now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MK_ View Post
    I can totally get behind the 29ers have won comment but boy is PVD hard to swallow, so unapologetically opinionated and so wrong in some of his statements.

    _MK
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    Quote Originally Posted by MK_ View Post
    ...and so wrong in some of his statements.
    _MK
    Explain.

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    I'm still riding my homemade steel 26" SS with a Manitou fork. I'm totally behind the flavor of the day...

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    75mm stem for starters. What's your beef with 35mm? Reverb? What's correct about 31.6mm dropper? Press fit BB? Proper? 34lb bike, light tires? Centerlock? ... (OK, I don't feel too strongly about centerlock). Plenty of stuff to disagree on.

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    What is the point you are making?
    What is wrong about any of what I've said?

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    The point I'm making is that your opinion is difficult to take seriously.

    Before you diagnose yourself with depression or low self-esteem, first make sure that you are not just surrounded by a*holes

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    You've said nothing.

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    Just finished repairing my 26" hardtail mtn bike from circa 1997 and can't wait to take it for a spin tomorrow!

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    ^^ Old Cabin Classic!
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    27.5 is still rad. Nimble, quick, and just fun to ride. 29ers are rad as well. Good traction, carries speed through corners, less twitchy in tech chop, less roll over resistance is noticeable...... Both are better on different trails.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pvd View Post
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    Let’s go Racing! – The 10 fastest enduro bikes in test | ENDURO Mountainbike Magazine

    "All three testers rode their fastest times with 29″ bikes and the slowest on 27.5″ bikes."
    The only easy day was yesterday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5k bike 50cent legs View Post
    "All three testers rode their fastest times with 29″ bikes and the slowest on 27.5″ bikes."
    Tell me how that translates to enjoyableness. :-D

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    Tell me how that translates to enjoyableness. :-D
    It only translates to fastestness. But my enjoyableness is increased by throwing gas on this flame!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MK_ View Post
    The point I'm making is that your opinion is difficult to take seriously.
    Why do you need to take his opinion seriously? It’s just an opinion...everyone has one, and everyone thinks they’re right

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    Glad I keep checking back on this thread; it just keeps getting better and better

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    Quote Originally Posted by griz View Post
    Why do you need to take his opinion seriously? It’s just an opinion...everyone has one, and everyone thinks they’re right
    pot/ kettle.
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    I enjoy reading pvd's blog and enjoyed this review as well. That doesn't mean that I agree with everything I read.

    For example, a stem longer than 60mm has no place on a modern mtb IMHO, it's an indication that you are on the wrong size - esp. on a design like the process where all emphasis is on geo and handling. That said, I don't have to ride pvd's Kona, he does, so he sets it up to his liking and that's fine with me.

    He's obviously quite vocal about what he does and why, but I translate this as passion taking over. Adds character to the text, no need to take everything literaly.

    On the "27.5 is dead" argument, while I do appreciate the extra traction, rollover and stability of 29ers, they're just to big for me on a bike intended for allround riding. My height and build is probably the main reason. I'm short and lightweight and long wheelbase 29ers need more leverage in order to be thrown around. Hitting the right spot between stability and flickability is important for my single bike quiver and 27.5 feels better in this aspect for me. This will probably vary according to rider preferences and availiable terrain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bokchoicowboy View Post
    Makes one want to go all Grant Petersen!
    Did that years ago and haven't looked back.

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    It ain't dead. I still got mine. Still very much alive

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    Quote Originally Posted by AshevilleMTB View Post
    It ain't dead. I still got mine. Still very much alive
    I looked in the garage and mine is still there hiding with the Halloween decorations. Maybe it's a zombie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nvphatty View Post
    pot/ kettle.
    Is it tea time already

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    Looking forward to the time when "everyone should learn to ride on a 27.5 so they can learn proper line choice instead of just smashing over everything" argument takes over from the usual hardtail argument.

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    Quote Originally Posted by justwan naride View Post
    For example, a stem longer than 60mm has no place on a modern mtb IMHO, it's an indication that you are on the wrong size...
    While I would use a similar argument in general, a comparison of commercially available bikes would show that this specific bike has of the best available fits for me. Can you show anything sold in the United States that would have shortened my stem length?

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    Quote Originally Posted by justwan naride View Post
    On the "27.5 is dead" argument, while I do appreciate the extra traction, rollover and stability of 29ers, they're just to big for me on a bike intended for allround riding. My height and build is probably the main reason. I'm short and lightweight and long wheelbase 29ers need more leverage in order to be thrown around. Hitting the right spot between stability and flickability is important for my single bike quiver and 27.5 feels better in this aspect for me. This will probably vary according to rider preferences and availiable terrain.
    It makes sense to me that we all strive for the right bike and fit as you point out.

    In the case of 27.5, that preference, fit and handling characteristic is as important to the rider that fits it as the OP adjusting, tuning and getting that bike dialed in for fit and performance. Excluding or demeaning 27.5 is like saying; "That group of people shouldn't have, need or want a bike that fits them and their riding terrain / style so well."

    Sure, we see and read all sorts of claims, opinions and supposed experiences and that's really on point.
    In many cases, it's easy to sort through the personal preferences versus the declaritive B.S. or politi-bike speak.

    It's looking like the passion of climate change is trumped by a trend toward building a wall against bike change.

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    Quote Originally Posted by justwan naride View Post
    For example, a stem longer than 60mm has no place on a modern mtb IMHO, it's an indication that you are on the wrong size...
    It is especially odd to hear this critique as I am on of the very very few framebuilders in the world that builds mountain bikes that fit properly. I would figure of all people that this is something that I'd have gotten correct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pvd View Post
    It is especially odd to hear this critique as I am on of the very very few framebuilders in the world that builds mountain bikes that fit properly. I would figure of all people that this is something that I'd have gotten correct.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pvd View Post
    I am on of the very very few framebuilders in the world that builds mountain bikes that fit properly.
    You must have some interesting conversations at the North American Handmade Bike Show.

    Your Kona looks rad for YOU. I love the thought that went into it. But please don't insult my 27.5 bike. It may be playful and lively, pick any line, and pop off any trail nugget in sight, but it's also very sensitive. It might just ride itself to the graveyard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.P View Post
    You must have some interesting conversations at the North American Handmade Bike Show.
    I like going to the show but it's mostly about paint and weld beads. There is almost no discussion of fit or geometry. Certainly not with regard to mountain bikes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pvd View Post
    It is especially odd to hear this critique as I am on of the very very few framebuilders in the world that builds mountain bikes that fit properly. I would figure of all people that this is something that I'd have gotten correct.
    Who are the other very very few framebuilders in the world building bikes that fit properly?

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    There are a couple small builders. Mostly in Spain, Great Britain, and Germany. I'd have to do some research to find the exact names. Not much is being done in the US.

    As far as what you can get here, it's mainly Kona, Transition, and Whyte, as I mention. They aren't perfect but they are far and away better than the others.

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    Ah...the bikes with adj fork offset geo.

    So you would say you are the only one building "perfect geo" bikes in the US?

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    It has nothing to do with that and I've discussed that at length.

    http://www.peterverdone.com/high-trail-mtb/

    I don't think that my geometry is perfect. Geometry is about compromise and tuning. What are you willing to give up in order to get and how well the bike works as intended. The problem that most companies have is that both they and their customers know very little about geometry so they ignore it.

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    I generally admire independent thinking and like to think of myself as an independent thinker (most of us probably do!), and you seem to sit somewhere in the spectrum of independent thinker, provocateur, and flat-out contrarian, so I often enjoy reading your perspective.

    While I am no engineer and admittedly much of the technical / engineering stuff is above my pay grade, it is abundantly clear that you have an enormous ego and are remarkably overconfident for somebody who says that they are open to ideas and often contradicts themselves (e.g. remember when you said that no bike with a single crown fork belongs at a DH bike park?)

    So here's a genuine question:

    If you and a handful of other designers in the world (apparently mostly in Europe) possess this rare knowledge about the "correct" way to design and build a bike that presumably would give a slight competitive advantage to competitors, where there are often a razor-thin margins of victory, one would think that at least somebody would have picked up on this and these more progressive / modern bikes would be performing better on the racing scene. Yet it seems like all the winning is being done on these shitty, horribly designed mainstream bikes like Specialized, SC, Yeti, Rocky Mountain, Trek, etc. Is this just because they have the money and can therefore attract talent that is so much better than everyone else so that they can out-compete regardless of the setup? It would just seem like at least one person in an extremely talented field would catch on and unlock the magic?

    It must be lonely at the top.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pvd View Post
    It is especially odd to hear this critique as I am on of the very very few framebuilders in the world that builds mountain bikes that fit properly. I would figure of all people that this is something that I'd have gotten correct.
    I would like to understand what is correct/proper fit, vs all the others and apparently all the bikes I've owned and bought that are incorrect. What is it that I should be measuring, and why?

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    Guys,
    You need to stop asking questions and just go to www.deterverpone.com

    Everything you need to know about being perfect is just a click away....

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    With that head angle, fork offset, and travel, it looks like you'll snap the Lyrik off at the crown on a hard case. But don't let that linger in the back of your mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skyno View Post
    Yet it seems like all the winning is being done on these shitty, horribly designed mainstream bikes like Specialized, SC, Yeti, Rocky Mountain, Trek, etc.
    The goal is not to win. The goal is to sell bikes at the most profit in an ignorant market. Riders are paid to win on what you give them. Thus, make what is easiest to sell.

    http://www.peterverdone.com/forward-geometry/


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    > buys Kona because, it's like so modern, the geo is perfect
    > swaps fork for more travel
    > adds angleset further changing geo
    > wants to change lower shock mount to change geo
    > offset reducer on shock mount to change geo some more

    >"light, faster rolling" tires on 34lb, 180mm 29er sled

    >"i need a remote shock lockout but this bike pedals so well"

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    Quote Originally Posted by pvd View Post
    The goal is not to win. The goal is to sell bikes at the most profit in an ignorant market. Riders are paid to win on what you give them. Thus, make what is easiest to sell.

    http://www.peterverdone.com/forward-geometry/

    The size of her frame has been chosen so that she can get her hands into the right place, but her saddle is highly compromised and her front wheel is simply in the wrong position. Why does Trek continue to make and sell bikes the don’t even work for their top riders?
    "Why is this world champion bike racer doing everything wrong? Listen to me instead, I am right."

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    Quote Originally Posted by DH40 View Post
    With that head angle, fork offset, and travel, it looks like you'll snap the Lyrik off at the crown on a hard case.
    Have you seen instances of this happening?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pvd View Post
    .......as I am on of the very very few framebuilders in the world that builds mountain bikes that fit properly... .
    wow

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    Quote Originally Posted by pvd View Post
    I like going to the show but it's mostly about paint and weld beads. There is almost no discussion of fit or geometry. Certainly not with regard to mountain bikes.
    truly surprised you'd even consider it being beneath you and all.
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    I have a lot of old and new friends there and there are different discussions to have with different folk. So much to see and learn from.

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    Quote Originally Posted by griffsterb View Post
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    > buys Kona because, it's like so modern, the geo is perfect
    > swaps fork for more travel
    > adds angleset further changing geo
    > wants to change lower shock mount to change geo
    > offset reducer on shock mount to change geo some more

    >"light, faster rolling" tires on 34lb, 180mm 29er sled

    >"i need a remote shock lockout but this bike pedals so well"
    Off-topic but I've seen this posting style somewhere before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Mackenzie View Post
    Off-topic but I've seen this posting style somewhere before.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pvd View Post
    Have you seen instances of this happening?
    With a modern tapered steerer tube, no. It just 'looks' that way to me. There are some great clips floating around of dudes ripping off the headtube AND fork on a dirt jump case, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DH40 View Post
    With a modern tapered steerer tube, no. It just 'looks' that way to me.
    I'll just go ahead and not worry about it then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pvd View Post
    I'll just go ahead and not worry about it then.
    Naw, you're probably fine. I'd still jettison the bike if you are about to come up short - just in case.

    Pun acknowledged.

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    Quote Originally Posted by griffsterb View Post
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    > buys kona because, it's like so modern, the geo is perfect
    > swaps fork for more travel
    > adds angleset further changing geo
    > wants to change lower shock mount to change geo
    > offset reducer on shock mount to change geo some more

    >"light, faster rolling" tires on 34lb, 180mm 29er sled

    >"i need a remote shock lockout but this bike pedals so well"
    lol...you funny, boy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Mackenzie View Post
    Off-topic but I've seen this posting style somewhere before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DH40 View Post
    With a modern tapered steerer tube, no. It just 'looks' that way to me. There are some great clips floating around of dudes ripping off the headtube AND fork on a dirt jump case, though.
    Simple fix, land on the downside and don’t case it. At least that’s what we figured out the hard way and early on in MX.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pvd View Post
    While I would use a similar argument in general, a comparison of commercially available bikes would show that this specific bike has of the best available fits for me. Can you show anything sold in the United States that would have shortened my stem length?
    Since you seem to have a pretty good idea of what works for you, may I ask why you didn't order a custom frame? Nicolai maybe? Ι can't think of any other way to own a "no compromise" bike.

    I stand by my comment on stem length, I've ridden 40-100mm stems on bikes with head angles from 71 deg to 66, and even on the steep ones I find anything longer than 60mm negatively affects the handling. But that's just my opinion based on (limited) personal experience.

    As as said before, I enjoy reading your posts and agree on many points, but you'd be doing yourself a favor by leaving some margin for error. I completely respect your opinion (after all, you build your own bikes) but you have to realize that different things may work for different people/places.

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