View Poll Results: Do you do trail work

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    New question here. Trail Work - Do you?

    Just trying to get an idea of whether people do or don't get involved in trail work.

    I've done a day myself (in order to earn a discount on a new bike) and would like to do a few more when I'm back in CA.

    For those of you who do regularly do trail work, what kind of ratio of trail work days : rides do you have?
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    I ride a series of trails built and maintained by a well organized local group. I can never seem to make their workdays. So I do it on my own with the blessing of their poo bah as my schedule allows. It is very gratifying and can be a great work out.

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    I have been doing regular trail work for over 20 years and have done so for every public land agency in Marin. I'll be putting in a few hours today and ride tomorrow

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    Mostly do it on my own-I like it that way in out of the way places- If I do not do it, it does not get done. Last time someone left a "randown act of kindness" a ten dollar gift card for Subway. Time to leave.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GlennW View Post
    Just trying to get an idea of whether people do or don't get involved in trail work.

    I've done a day myself (in order to earn a discount on a new bike) and would like to do a few more when I'm back in CA.

    For those of you who do regularly do trail work, what kind of ratio of trail work days : rides do you have?
    I've done work with BLM up in Mendocino county and lots of trail maintenance in Marin. I haven't made it out to Tamarancho yet.

    I obviously have many more ride days than work days.

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    I have no idea what the deal is with Santa Teresa County Park, but I would like to do some trail work there. I know there's volunteer meet-ups to do it - and I think it's all hikers. That place needs help in a HUGE way.

    Problem is, is I know what the issues are there, and I can imagine MTB'ers complaining about "sanitizing" the trails. Some of those trails get so incredibly beat, they need sanitizing and a drainage system.

    People also poach these trails when they are closed to MTB's and horses. You know who you are, brosefs - stop riding on them trails when they are CLOSED!

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    I'd love to know what percentage of bonafide mt. bikers do trailwork at least once a year (once = about 2 hrs of work?), and what percentage do none. Then I'd like to know why the non-participants don't participate. I would also like the same data for hikers and equestrians.

    (and that's awesome, Uncle Stinky! Always good to be appreciated )

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    I do more trail maintenance in the winter than the summer. I really want to start getting more serious on trail building though. There have been some areas I have been scouting for some spectacular additions to what we already have here.

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    Got in another 3 hours or so today with a buddy. Another area rider just saw in and joined in. Made it kind of fun.
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    When people worked on Santa Teresa County Park, people on this forum complained about trail "sanitation" which is why I haven't gone out to do anything (yet). How do you guys feel/handle about those complaints?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dion View Post
    When people worked on Santa Teresa County Park, people on this forum complained about trail "sanitation" which is why I haven't gone out to do anything (yet). How do you guys feel/handle about those complaints?


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    I try not to change the trail unless there is a hazard. I usually remove debris, down trees, scotch broom and poison oak. It's more trail maintenance than trail work.

    I don't want to create wheelchair accessible trails, not that there is any thing wrong with wheelchairs

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    Been working on the trails at Hogan for over 20 years now (see Jeff/Uncle Stinky's post). Got a lot done today: One new trail finished, and worked a bit on one Jeff started. It's gonna be EPIC!!

    It just confounds me that we can't get more people up here to ride, let alone help us work on the trails.

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    Quote Originally Posted by uncle mama View Post
    I try not to change the trail unless there is a hazard. I usually remove debris, down trees, scotch broom and poison oak. It's more trail maintenance than trail work.

    I don't want to create wheelchair accessible trails, not that there is any thing wrong with wheelchairs
    That's the kind of work I want to do, but people will complain.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dion View Post
    That's the kind of work I want to do, but people will complain.


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    Dion, people are going to complain no matter what; use you're best judgement...

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    I have never enjoyed trail work but do 5-10 days a year. I also spend time organizing and funding it.

    Mtbers don't do trail work for the same reason they don't actively advocate. Mtb is largely a spare time pursuit. Spare time is used for riding; deal.
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    Trail work in fall / winter-Ride in spring / summer

    I work on trails a lot in the winter and ride a lot in the summer. Mostly maintenance now since we have not been able to get any approved new trails here lately. There are plenty of building opportunities around so I do that when I can get away.

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    Every other day...

    ...I'm riding a bike or working on a trail; retired life is good! They're both real good ways to stay fit; at 61 it's important for me to stay active. I log 400 or so hours of trail work a year; I don't really care to keep track but it's a requirement to report the hours for many Land Use Managers.

    I absolutely cannot stand going to a gym; so this is "where it's at" for me:
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    Cool shots Finch Would be nice if someone younger than 50 could help- time for bed crab feed over.

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    Dion- I don't know the situation at STCP, but It's been my experience that most of the people that complain about trail sanitation either: 1. Have never done trail work or 2. Don't really understand it.

    BUT- Real sanitizing occasionally does happen, and it's usually because there aren't enough riders on the crew to give input. When it's done right, it's like a little bit of magic!

    Btw- I don't think many "no's" will click on the poll. It's gotta be less than 10% even doing yearly work, right?!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Finch Platte View Post
    Been working on the trails at Hogan for over 20 years now
    Just curious... do you have permission (presumably from the land owner/manager) to build trail as you see fit? Or do you have to go through a "process"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Empty_Beer View Post
    I'd love to know what percentage of bonafide mt. bikers do trailwork at least once a year (once = about 2 hrs of work?), and what percentage do none. Then I'd like to know why the non-participants don't participate. I would also like the same data for hikers and equestrians.

    (and that's awesome, Uncle Stinky! Always good to be appreciated )
    I was reading this thread and thinking "not gonna see a lot of non-trail workers chiming in".
    I'll answer part of your question from my perspective though. I've not done any trail work and the reason really comes down to time. As a lot of us on here, job and family takes the lions share of time available and it's always feeling like I'm "squeezing" in rides. Then when the weekend rolls around I can finally go for a ride and not feel the time pressure to get home. Other times I either don't hear about the trail work days at all or last minute. Aside from MTBR I'm not really plugged in to the cycling community either, so if I don't happen to see it on here I won't hear about it. So really it's partly just selfish and part apathetic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Empty_Beer View Post
    ...... Then I'd like to know why the non-participants don't participate.......
    Hey it's the basic rule of volunteerism. 10% of the people do 90% of the work.

    It can be as easy as carrying a folding saw after a storm or stopping to drag deadfall off of the trail, but most riders just go on by. It has to start somewhere. Just sayin'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Czar Chasm View Post
    Just curious... do you have permission (presumably from the land owner/manager) to build trail as you see fit? Or do you have to go through a "process"?
    Long story short- we were riding horse trails on another area, horsey people complained, rangers gave us our own area to develop.

    Now the horse trails are being neglected.

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    Fuggit. I'm going to start doing some trail work at STCP. I guess I'll have to deal with the complaints, the haters, and the lookey-loo's. Us STCP inhabitants ride those trails enough and claim them as our special little place - I think we outta step up and quit worrying about the complainers.

    And for all of you who are trying to wag their finger at us who haven't done trail work - it's not that I don't want to, it's more that I just hate it when I do a good deed and people complain. I've been riding there for 4 years and that is the #1 thing that's kept me from working on those trails.

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    Hidden Falls- Trail Day - 1/19/13

    I know I need to get out and do more trail work. This Saturday, REI/FATRAC/ Placer Co. are having a trail day at Hidden Falls Regional Park in Auburn. The park will go from 7 miles of trails to over 20 miles of multi-use trails this spring.

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    Yes, but...

    I've built hiking and biking trails with organized groups. However, these groups build seldom and for entire days.

    Instead of that approach, I hike and bike with a saw and cut limbs and trees that are down on the trails. I also kick loose rocks and branches off the trails. I've even bought a 19.2 volt cordless chainsaw for needed maintenance on my adopted trail. Sometimes, I hide the saw off the trail in a waterproof bag and just carry the batteries.

    Where? My business since the lands are owned by the Agency for Uptight Puckered bureaucrats.

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    I am home for 13 days a month. The last two months I have spent 10 days a month building trail. Doesn't leave much time for riding. However, I am helping build a trail that will change mountain biking in Marin forever. Please come and help!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dion View Post
    When people worked on Santa Teresa County Park, people on this forum complained about trail "sanitation" which is why I haven't gone out to do anything (yet). How do you guys feel/handle about those complaints?


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    I say they're legit, DON'T sanitize! Plenty of other smooth trails like Kenedy and Freemont Oder, or St Joes. Nothing wrong with a little varity.
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    We got a lot done in the last few weeks in our hood, thanks to the two other guys that helped..

    Aside from typing a novel, a few things come to memory from the weekend. Maybe the "sh*t mountian bikers say" people can make a new video about trail work?

    1. How annoying is it when you are working, and someone stops and suggests what trail work, trail or section you should be working on, does not offer any assistance and then just keeps riding? Really annoying is the answer.

    2. How sad is it that the work that gets done is broadcasted by word of mouth and we see an inlux of people riding. That's fine but get some skills and quit skidding like a kook, you know who you are, trail work takes time, and it's not easy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tim F. View Post
    I say they're legit, DON'T sanitize! Plenty of other smooth trails like Kenedy and Freemont Oder, or St Joes. Nothing wrong with a little varity.
    I don't want to sanitize them, they need better drainage and need to be cleaned up.

    There you have it folks. This is why I don't work on my local trails.

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    I build and maintain dirt jumps. I do the majority in the winter months but it tends to be a year round thing.

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    I agree with the less than 10% (more like 2%). Unlike conditions on the coast, lots of opportunity up in the mountains for new trail and after hand building for 15+ years we finally got smart and started a trail group to train a core group and invest in special equipment. With proper equipment, you do not need a large group, 6 people can operate an excavator, mini dozer, and other toys and build 2500ft of finished trail. Everyone supports new trail, don't force them to be meat puppets and you will get more people involved.

    One of the issues is the brutal nature of hand build and how unconditioned people are with what effort is required physically. With narrow machines (36") we can build up to half a mile a day and crew to finish with super light leaf rakes narrowing the trail to 24" like it has always been there.
    Our focus is expanding ways (other than back breaking hoe work) people can support building and upgrading existing trail to sustainable flowy trail. Fundraising, designing tech features, crazy bridges, benches, signs etc...
    Our goal is to plan trail projects like events with social components, cool gear, recognition and challenge.
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    [QUOTE=zachi;10070354]One of the issues is the brutal nature of hand build and how unconditioned people are with what effort is required physically.


    AMEN to THAT, bro..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dion View Post
    Fuggit. I'm going to start doing some trail work at STCP. I guess I'll have to deal with the complaints, the haters, and the lookey-loo's. Us STCP inhabitants ride those trails enough and claim them as our special little place - I think we outta step up and quit worrying about the complainers.

    And for all of you who are trying to wag their finger at us who haven't done trail work - it's not that I don't want to, it's more that I just hate it when I do a good deed and people complain. I've been riding there for 4 years and that is the #1 thing that's kept me from working on those trails.
    I would not recommend just going out and starting trail work at a place like STCP without working through the proper channels to see if there is something already "organized" that you can be a part of. STCP seems too high profile of a place to just go out there on your own accord.

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    I do trailwork, lots of it. I do it because I enjoy it. I like the physical workout, I like the pleasure of seeing something improved or something new come to life. I like nature and being out in it, and the smell of the earth. I only do authorized trailwork because I don't want my effort to piss anybody in authority off, and I want what I do to last and not be obliterated.

    I don't begrudge people who don't do trailwork. Lots of people support trails in various other ways, from letter writing, check writing, paying taxes, or whatever. If you don't wanna dig, don't feel guilty, and if you do dig, don't harass people who are riding by. Nothing wrong with a gentle sales pitch to join in sometime, but let people enjoy their day.

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    Some very interesting responses so far, thanks for the input!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dion View Post
    I don't want to sanitize them, they need better drainage and need to be cleaned up.

    There you have it folks. This is why I don't work on my local trails.
    Drainage, and removal of debre is ok

    Sanatizing...
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    Sometimes I do trail work to support the guys who are doing it.
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    @GlennW - I had a related question several weeks ago, Obsession or not?

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    GlennW- great idea for a poll. Sadly the majority of folks reading this are the 10% (or fewer), that actually build and maintain trails. Trail work gives us the opportunity to talk with other trail users and hopefully recruit new help. The hard work pays off in a big way. Keep it up and carry on!

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    I've worked in multiple parks with multiple groups on sanctioned workdays to help learn the rules of building to an imba (or other) standard.
    Some ways to do drainage / build on one dirt type / slope don't work on other dirt types /slopes and can cause further deterioration.

    I've helped maintain trails on unsanctioned days/places (brush/po/tree removal).

    There's enough unsanctioned trail building to various "standards" around my area that I don't need to add to that mess.

    I've taken out trails that were built on privately owned property.
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    I usually work informally by carrying a hand saw. I have also left shovels in place to work on trails, but most riders won't even dismount to move a branch much less shovel.

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