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    Ths bus for this weekend's PCP ride...

    We're heading up to Pinecrest Peak again and probably riding Eagle Creek as well. If you haven't ridden these trails then you don't know what you are missing. A+ Sierra riding. We are going to shuttle both trails so people who aren't close by can maximize their pleasure

    The bus from the Bay Area leaves Dan'ger pad in Pleasant Hill, at 6:45 and we are meeting at the Strawberry Store at around 9:45AM. I know it's a long way... but it's well worth it and since Dan is already heading up there you won't have to drive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 0gre
    We're heading up to Pinecrest Peak again and probably riding Eagle Creek as well. If you haven't ridden these trails then you don't know what you are missing. A+ Sierra riding. We are going to shuttle both trails so people who aren't close by can maximize their pleasure

    The bus from the Bay Area leaves Dan'ger pad in Pleasant Hill, at 6:45 and we are meeting at the Strawberry Store at around 9:45AM. I know it's a long way... but it's well worth it and since Dan is already heading up there you won't have to drive.
    The Dan'bulance will be fueled and on the pad Saturday morning for some rocky technical goodness.

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    Is this the teaser for 22nd and 23rd?
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    What days are you riding on? and will the time
    be the same for each day. I may be able to make it up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Stinky
    What days are you riding on? and will the time
    be the same for each day. I may be able to make it up.
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    Saturday. All day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fred-da-trog
    Is this the teaser for 22nd and 23rd?
    This is the teaser ride.

    Jeff: We are just planning on day tripping on Saturday. It wouldn't be too hard to talk me into an overnighter though. We'd have to ride it as a loop on Sunday though but loops are good stuff too. And there are some great ways to get up the hill. Problem is I'm not sure how crowded the camping will be.

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    Anyone from the Bay Area want to carpool with me?
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    Okay, how crazy are these trails? How do they compare to Downieville for example? How much is flowy singletrack vs big drops through rock gardens?

    Do I need more travel than a BLT? Do I need a full face helmet and pads?

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    Quote Originally Posted by reklar
    Okay, how crazy are these trails? How do they compare to Downieville for example? How much is flowy singletrack vs big drops through rock gardens?

    Do I need more travel than a BLT? Do I need a full face helmet and pads?
    I would definitely consider both trails to be Black Diamond. That said, I won't ride anything I can't roll so no huge drops, there are some optional drops and jumps but mostly it's just challenging boulder crawling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by reklar
    Okay, how crazy are these trails? How do they compare to Downieville for example? How much is flowy singletrack vs big drops through rock gardens?

    Do I need more travel than a BLT? Do I need a full face helmet and pads?
    I didn't really answer your question. We are doing 2 shuttled DH rides and will be doing very little climbing. Pads and full face are probably a good idea. These trails are more technical than Downieville.

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    I would guess...

    Quote Originally Posted by reklar
    Okay, how crazy are these trails? How do they compare to Downieville for example? How much is flowy singletrack vs big drops through rock gardens?

    Do I need more travel than a BLT? Do I need a full face helmet and pads?
    ... you would be happiest with a 5" trailbike that can still be pedaled uphill, but I did it last year on my 3.5" Stumpjumper, and it was totally fine. I wasn't really wishing for more travel. There were folks on our ride that did it on a hardtail. I know 0gre did it on his rigid MonoCog29er a few times.

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    Oh man, why can't this be another weekend?
    I'm really wanting to ride this area, after talking to Ogre.

    Ride safe guys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rensho
    Oh man, why can't this be another weekend?
    I'm really wanting to ride this area, after talking to Ogre.

    Ride safe guys.
    Well mark your calendar then, we're planning on riding on the weekend of Sept 22-23.

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    Dan'bulance route details:

    Leaving Pleasant Hill at about 6:15am should get me to Manteca or Oakdale by 8:00 which leaves plenty of time for TROGS to join in the carpool and get out to the Strawberry store by 10:00am.

    This is my general route: <iframe width="425" height="350" frameborder="no" scrolling="no" marginheight="0" marginwidth="0" src="http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&hl=en&geocode=&saddr=pleasant+hill,+ca&da ddr=37.757687,-120.844116+to:strawberry,+CA&mrcr=0,1&mrsp=1&sz=9& mra=dme&sll=37.94996,-121.03739&sspn=1.431552,2.268677&ie=UTF8&om=1&ll=3 7.94996,-121.03739&spn=1.431552,2.268677&output=embed&s=AAR TsJp96IomoQwALmdIF8uhS6hvsuvqEw"></iframe><br/><a href="http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&hl=en&geocode=&saddr=pleasant+hill,+ca&da ddr=37.757687,-120.844116+to:strawberry,+CA&mrcr=0,1&mrsp=1&sz=9& mra=dme&sll=37.94996,-121.03739&sspn=1.431552,2.268677&ie=UTF8&om=1&ll=3 7.94996,-121.03739&spn=1.431552,2.268677&source=embed" style="color:#0000FF;text-align:left;font-size:small">View Larger Map</a>
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    Dude..

    Why not head east on 4 and either cut down to 580/108 from 5 or 99 or take 4 all the way across..to copperopolis then cut over to 108.

    108-205 and 580s gonna be packed..

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    If I did that, I wouldn't be able to pick up pimpbot and reklar.

    Anyway, I don't think it will be packed yet when I pass through.
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    Got Room?

    Morning Dan,

    Any space left?
    I'm a maybe, depending on what time ya return to the creek.

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    Dennis - Any recommendations on SS gearing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 7HVN
    Morning Dan,

    Any space left?
    I'm a maybe, depending on what time ya return to the creek.

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    Dennis - Any recommendations on SS gearing?
    I rode it as a loop on my MC29er with 32x20 which is a pretty easy gear but I had a lot of climbing. Thinking about it, I don't think it's very important since we're shuttling, there are no extended climbs. The downhill really doesn't have any wide open sections where you will be begging for a bigger gear ratio. It also lacks any real climbs though. A couple little grunts but nothing more than 100 yards. I would suggest whatever gear ratio you feel most comfortable rock crawling in.

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    Sea...

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    Quote Originally Posted by 7HVN
    Morning Dan,

    Any space left?
    I'm a maybe, depending on what time ya return to the creek.
    I have space. I plan on returning after getting something to eat after the ride without any lengthy dilly-dallying. Wives and small children appreciate that. Even for the lack of dilly-dallying, we will be back fairly late.

    Here's the story so far (thinking while typing)

    The Dan'bulance can hold 7 bikes and 8 people (7 fairly comfortably)
    pimpbot and jrm are maybes
    reklar is in
    I have to have enough space in the shuttle to accomodate 0gre and maybe 1 or 2 more once we get there.

    If Fiona is willing to recreate "The Punisher" B-ride from last year, maybe she can accompany us to the shuttle site and drive my truck down to the end? It will save time so that we can get on the road westward faster.

    So, if you can meet me at my house at 6am (EEK!), we can get rolling on time.

    And, if the others can meet us at Dublin BART, we can save time from making stops in Oakland and Livermore and make a shorter time of it by going down 680 to 580 and onward.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan'ger
    I have space. I plan on returning after getting something to eat after the ride without any lengthy dilly-dallying. Wives and small children appreciate that. Even for the lack of dilly-dallying, we will be back fairly late.

    Here's the story so far (thinking while typing)

    The Dan'bulance can hold 7 bikes and 8 people (7 fairly comfortably)
    pimpbot and jrm are maybes
    reklar is in
    I have to have enough space in the shuttle to accomodate 0gre and maybe 1 or 2 more once we get there.

    If Fiona is willing to recreate "The Punisher" B-ride from last year, maybe she can accompany us to the shuttle site and drive my truck down to the end? It will save time so that we can get on the road westward faster.

    So, if you can meet me at my house at 6am (EEK!), we can get rolling on time.

    And, if the others can meet us at Dublin BART, we can save time from making stops in Oakland and Livermore and make a shorter time of it by going down 680 to 580 and onward.

    Peanut gallery?
    I'm going to plan on being at Strawberry by 9:15 or so. I figure you guys will probably be a bit late but we'll try and run this deal without any delays. Sounds like it's just going to be me, fiona, and whoever shows up in the Dan'bulance so so there shouldn't be any waiting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan'ger
    If I did that, I wouldn't be able to pick up pimpbot and reklar.

    Anyway, I don't think it will be packed yet when I pass through.
    580 on a Saturday morning almost certainly won't be packed.

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    Put me down for a space in the Dan'bulance...what are the final meeting times for Pleasant Hill and Dublin BART?

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    Quote Originally Posted by El Caballo
    Put me down for a space in the Dan'bulance...what are the final meeting times for Pleasant Hill and Dublin BART?
    6:15 at my house in Pleasant Hill and 6:45-7 from Dublin BART. Schedule is not concrete yet. I'll finalize by tonight.
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    Hey Y'all,

    Hope you guys have fun this weekend.

    I'll be busy finishing up a sewing project Saturday and Sunday, but I'll probably ride on Monday if you want to hook up......maybe I can show you some new stuff.

    I've been doing some all day/overnighter backcountry epics recently, and have been putting together a few new rides in some pretty obscure areas.

    Here's a couple teaser shots:

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    Hey Jeff, that looks too high. Where's da trees?

    Clear your calender for the 22nd and 23rd...we'll be back.

    I saw your product all over the GDR participants, congrats!
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    As it happens

    Quote Originally Posted by mountainboat
    Hey Y'all,

    Hope you guys have fun this weekend.

    I'll be busy finishing up a sewing project Saturday and Sunday, but I'll probably ride on Monday if you want to hook up......maybe I can show you some new stuff.

    I've been doing some all day/overnighter backcountry epics recently, and have been putting together a few new rides in some pretty obscure areas.

    Here's a couple teaser shots:
    Looks awesome, and it just so happens that I will be there on Monday. I was going to ride with the TROGS, I think they are shuttling PCP but I would love to try some new stuff out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fred-da-trog
    Hey Jeff, that looks too high. Where's da trees?

    Clear your calender for the 22nd and 23rd...we'll be back.

    I saw your product all over the GDR participants, congrats!
    Yo Fred,

    I'll try and hook up with you guys on the 22nd and 23rd, if not this Monday.

    I put together a little gathering called The AMCF Fall Classic (All My Cool Friends) every year in October, if you can make it. It will probably happen the weekend of the 13th and 14th this year. We usually get a group of around 20-40 riders out on Willow Creek and PCP. There are folks riding in costumes and drinking lots of Jack Daniels, plus a big BBQ at the lake afterwards..........and a chance you might catch a glimpse of the elusive, full faced helmet, speedo and cape wearing super hero, Whiskey Boy.......good times!

    Those pics I posted were taken at around 6000' to 8000'.......I guess that is high enough to give a valley boy elevation sickness .........but if you want to get really high, lay off the PCP and do the hike-a-bike from Eagle Meadows to Eagle Pass. It tops out at 8960'......that is the highest you can legally get on a bike in the Stanislaus NF that I know of.........unless you stand on top of the sign and smoke a joint (but that ain't really legal).

    Here's a couple pics from Eagle Pass:

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    Quote Originally Posted by 0gre
    Looks awesome, and it just so happens that I will be there on Monday. I was going to ride with the TROGS, I think they are shuttling PCP but I would love to try some new stuff out.
    Hey Dennis,

    Give me a call and maybe we can work something out.
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    [QUOTE=mountainboat]Yo Fred,.....I put together a little gathering called The AMCF Fall Classic (All My Cool Friends) every year in October, if you can make it. It will probably happen the weekend of the 13th and 14th this year. We usually get a group of around 20-40 riders out on Willow Creek and PCP. There are folks riding in costumes and drinking lots of Jack Daniels, plus a big BBQ at the lake afterwards...QUOTE]

    AMCF....JD + BBQ+costumes+ PCP= my kind of folks. I'm marking my calender. Keep me in the loop.

    .".................unless you stand on top of the sign and smoke a joint (but that ain't really legal)."

    This a whole new meaning to "sign poaching"...it could replace safety break.
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    With all the GPS freaks, I thought the new keyword was "Setting a waypoint."

    In use:
    Biker1: "What are you going over there for?"
    Biker2 (holding GPS in hand): "Oh, I'm just going to 'set a waypoint.'"
    Biker1: "No way!"
    Biker2: "Way!"
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    The trails should be great, been raining today on HWy 4. Is that the Dardenels (sp) in the center picture?

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    Amcf

    I love it. That sounds like it will be an off the hook weekend. I will plan for it also. May be I will see you on Monday also? If not we hope you can make for the 22/23 gig. You get me all pumped up when you post picture and story's of more trails in this God giving area.

    Keep it up
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    Quote Originally Posted by 0gre
    I'm going to plan on being at Strawberry by 9:15 or so. I figure you guys will probably be a bit late but we'll try and run this deal without any delays. Sounds like it's just going to be me, fiona, and whoever shows up in the Dan'bulance so so there shouldn't be any waiting.
    I'm in town, the weather's nice, Kelly has the day off - and I'm healing a torn MCL . Maybe we can make the next one (if there's a shuttle). Have fun (like that needs to said about PCP ).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan'ger
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    Just got back...taken care of. I'll see you at Casa de Pimpbot bright and early tomorrow AM.

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    Good times!

    Quote Originally Posted by El Caballo
    Just got back...taken care of. I'll see you at Casa de Pimpbot bright and early tomorrow AM.
    Thanks to 0gre for putting this together and being trail guide, thanks to Dan'ger for driving our asses from the Bay Area, and thanks to Fiona for shuttling the Dan'bulance.

    Great ride!

    You know, PCP is kind of a short ride if you just count the miles. We only did about 15 or so miles over 3 hours of ride time (not including driving), but PCP has a whole lot of fun little and big things all packed one right after the other. Bam... rock pile... Bam... stair steps around a downhill switchback... bam, rock drop... bam, slickrock face. I felt worked afterwards. Like all hard drugs, PCP is a lot of punch packed into small quantities, then you're hooked and can't get enough of it, and want another hit.

    Good times after the ride. Cooling off and washing up in the creek was great. Dan'ger brought the BBQ and dogs and we grilled them up with some fish. Fiona and 0gre brought some snacks, and I brought up some beerz.

    Good stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pimpbot
    Thanks to 0gre for putting this together and being trail guide, thanks to Dan'ger for driving our asses from the Bay Area, and thanks to Fiona for shuttling the Dan'bulance.

    Great ride!
    Yup, great report, my thoughts exactly. Thanks again to Fiona, Ogre and Dan'ger. Eagle Creek was a bit over my head, at least in the middle, but PCP rocked!

    The trails have all the elements to make things difficult. Loose, big rocks, roots, steep, tight switchbacks, waterbars in just the right places to make things interesting, etc. It's the combinations which make them difficult ... rock drop followed immediately by tight steep switchback and then a nasty waterbar with super loose soil on either side flowing into a rooty section and it starts again. True singletracks, barely even visible in places. Fun stuff.

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    A long hard day of driving for a short hard length of trail

    Waking up at the buttcrack of dawn and driving for hours usually requires for me an epic length ride. The epic aspect of this ride was not so much in the length of the ride but in the location, the terrain and the comraderie.

    0gre promised rugged trails and the need for light armor and he delivered. Eagle Creek and Pincrest Peak are great fun with excellent scenery and hard to track trail in places.

    After a couple of carpool SNAFUs, we were on the road and finally met up with 0gre and Fiona at the Strawberry store shortly after 10am.
    It took a bit of time and effort to relocate gear so that we could put 7 people inside and 7 bikes on racks with all of the duffle bags, cooler, grill and other collateral. We finally reached the top of Eagle Meadow (?), unpacked and started riding at about 11:45.

    My bud's Nomad is alot of fun. I was able to slap a seatpost shim and my GravityDropper post on it on Friday and make sure that everything was in working order. It was also decked out with WTB WW 2.55lt tires.

    My only previous ride of note on it was at Joaquin Miller and Redwood last weekend. I got a feel for the rig in how it climbed up Canyon and descended down Cinderella. It's been a while since I had to climb Canyon in my granny gear but I've also never gotten the kind of air I got on the jumps on Cinderella.

    The recent rains made the trail more loamy and less dusty that I would have expected for the location and the WW's didn't really track well in the loamy corners. I found myself having to put alot of pressure on the bars and front tire in the corners and on switchbacks, which gave me the traction but also made the nose dive. On steep descents with lots of rocks, nose loading can easily cause endos and my fear throughout the Eagle Creek segment was that of a horrific endo. Thankfully, it never happened.

    We reached Pinecrest, population 2, at about 1:30 and stopped for lunch. We then repacked the truck and loaded in for the trek to Pinecrest Peak. It was a long drive and some riders slept for a bit until we reached the end of the pavement. I also felt a bit tired just after eating but by the time we arrived at the top, I was more antsy about getting home before our wives changed the locks or filed for divorce, or running out of gas which was also becoming a possibility.

    After again unpacking the truck, we bid our farewells to Fiona, who besides driving the shuttle truck to the bottom not once, but twice, also refuelled the truck so that we could have less of a delay at the end of the day. Then, we set of down PCP.

    At this point, I was feeling more comfortable with the Nomad and decided to let off the brakes more often. It rolls over obstacles really well but it seems that coming from a dead stop into onstacles at low speed, it isn't really stable. It isn't until it gets up to 10 or 15 mph that it starts to stabilize and pretty much can roll, tromp or drop off whatever you throw its way, assuming there's enough run-out afterwards.

    The VPP pedal feedback is noticible at times and can make climbing over rough terrain very difficult and noticed it extremely whenever the slope changed dramatically from downhill to uphill over rocky terrain.

    I was ejected from my eggbeaters on a couple of occasions and felt that I wanted to trade in the big ring that was getting hung up on some log crossings for a bash guard and the tires for something a bit grippier when they slid all over the same log crossings. However, I couldn't have asked for better tires when descending long steep granite descents or crawling over imbedded rock formations.

    The Saint integrated shifter/brake levers took a bit of getting used to but I really like them. It becomes a no-brainer over time.

    I prayed for no pinch flats, since in the time I've ben borrowing the Nomad, I've had to change a tube in each the front and rear tire. The front being a 20mm through-axle on a Fox 36 and the rear being a Saint axle/derailleur combo, neither was easy and both required an extra hand to hold the over-sized tires in place while setting the bead. A flat at either end would have meant a long time to change.

    At the bottom of Pinecrest, we rolled past the Strawberry store and continued down to a creek near where the 0grehut was parked. After cooling off in the creek and generally lounging around, grilling and cleaning up in the creekbed, we said our goodbyes and thanks and hit the road for the long trek back.

    Thanks 7hvn, pimpbot, El Caballo and reklar for joining me, 0gre fore leading a whiz-bang route and Fiona for shuttle recovey and refueling. All-in-all a great day!

    Stats for each of the rides:

    <TABLE class=data_table cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 border=1><TBODY><TR class=data_row><TD class=data_header noWrap colSpan=3>Summary Data</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover="this.className='rowhover'" onmouseout="this.className=''"><TD class=data_var1>Total Time (h:m:s)</TD><TD class=data>1:44:34</TD><TD class=data>16:18 pace</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover="this.className='rowhover'" onmouseout="this.className=''"><TD class=data_var1>Moving Time (h:m:s)</TD><TD class=data>1:03:35</TD><TD class=data>10:43 pace</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover="this.className='rowhover'" onmouseout="this.className=''"><TD class=data_var1>Distance (mi )</TD><TD class=data colSpan=2>5.92</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover="this.className='rowhover'" onmouseout="this.className=''"><TD class=data_var1>Moving Speed (mph)</TD><TD class=data>5.6 avg.</TD><TD class=data>36.5 max.</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover="this.className='rowhover'" onmouseout="this.className=''"><TD class=data_var1>Elevation Gain (ft)</TD><TD class=data colSpan=2>+590 / -2,277</TD></TR><TR><TD bgColor=#cccccc colSpan=3 height=1></TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover="this.className='rowhover'" onmouseout="this.className=''"><TD class=data_var1>Temperature (F)</TD><TD class=data>77F avg.</TD><TD class=data>78.8F high</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover="this.className='rowhover'" onmouseout="this.className=''"><TD class=data_var1>Wind Speed ( mph)</TD><TD class=data>SSW 10.4 avg.</TD><TD class=data>SSW 13.8 max.</TD></TR><TR><TD bgColor=#cccccc colSpan=3 height=1></TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover="this.className='rowhover'" onmouseout="this.className=''"><TD class=data_var1>GPS Signal Quality</TD><TD class=data>Fair</TD><TD class=data>GPS Unit Elevation</TD></TR><TR><TD bgColor=#cccccc colSpan=3 height=1></TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover="this.className='rowhover'" onmouseout="this.className=''"><TD class=data_var1>Similar Activities</TD><TD class=data colSpan=2>My Digest TrailNetwork</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover="this.className='rowhover'" onmouseout="this.className=''"><TD class=data_var1>Download</TD><TD class=data colSpan=2>GPS Device</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover="this.className='rowhover'" onmouseout="this.className=''"><TD class=data_var1>Export</TD><TD class=data colSpan=2>GPX HST CRS</TD></TR><TR><TD bgColor=#cccccc colSpan=3 height=1></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
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    <TABLE class=data_table cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 border=1><TBODY><TR class=data_row><TD class=data_header noWrap colSpan=3>Summary Data</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover="this.className='rowhover'" onmouseout="this.className=''"><TD class=data_var1>Total Time (h:m:s)</TD><TD class=data>1:29:36</TD><TD class=data>12:03 pace</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover="this.className='rowhover'" onmouseout="this.className=''"><TD class=data_var1>Moving Time (h:m:s)</TD><TD class=data>0:55:58</TD><TD class=data>7:31 pace</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover="this.className='rowhover'" onmouseout="this.className=''"><TD class=data_var1>Distance (mi )</TD><TD class=data colSpan=2>7.43</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover="this.className='rowhover'" onmouseout="this.className=''"><TD class=data_var1>Moving Speed (mph)</TD><TD class=data>8.0 avg.</TD><TD class=data>34.6 max.</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover="this.className='rowhover'" onmouseout="this.className=''"><TD class=data_var1>Elevation Gain (ft)</TD><TD class=data colSpan=2>+385 / -3,386</TD></TR><TR><TD bgColor=#cccccc colSpan=3 height=1></TD></TR><TR onmouseover="this.className='rowhover'" onmouseout="this.className=''"><TD class=data_var1>Temperature (F)</TD><TD class=data>78.8F avg.</TD><TD class=data>78.8F high</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover="this.className='rowhover'" onmouseout="this.className=''"><TD class=data_var1>Wind Speed ( mph)</TD><TD class=data>SW 9.2 avg.</TD><TD class=data>SW 11.5 max.</TD></TR><TR><TD bgColor=#cccccc colSpan=3 height=1></TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover="this.className='rowhover'" onmouseout="this.className=''"><TD class=data_var1>GPS Signal Quality</TD><TD class=data>Fair</TD><TD class=data>GPS Unit Elevation</TD></TR><TR><TD bgColor=#cccccc colSpan=3 height=1></TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover="this.className='rowhover'" onmouseout="this.className=''"><TD class=data_var1>Similar Activities</TD><TD class=data colSpan=2>My Digest TrailNetwork</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover="this.className='rowhover'" onmouseout="this.className=''"><TD class=data_var1>Download</TD><TD class=data colSpan=2>GPS Device</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover="this.className='rowhover'" onmouseout="this.className=''"><TD class=data_var1>Export</TD><TD class=data colSpan=2>GPX HST CRS</TD></TR><TR><TD bgColor=#cccccc colSpan=3 height=1></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
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    PS - El Cabello - I don't have your pads in my truck. Maybe someone took them accidentally?
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    Pictures!

    Happy faces in the Dan'bulance on the way to Eagle Creek



    We played here for a while
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    Top of Pinecrest Peak with the 0gres


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    [QUOTE=pimpbot]Thanks to 0gre for putting this together and being trail guide, thanks to Dan'ger for driving our asses from the Bay Area, and thanks to Fiona for shuttling the Dan'bulance.

    Great ride!

    You know, PCP is kind of a short ride if you just count the miles. We only did about 15 or so miles over 3 hours of ride time (not including driving), but PCP has a whole lot of fun little and big things all packed one right after the other. Bam... rock pile... Bam... stair steps around a downhill switchback... bam, rock drop... bam, slickrock face. I felt worked afterwards. Like all hard drugs, PCP is a lot of punch packed into small quantities, then you're hooked and can't get enough of it, and want another hit.

    Good times after the ride. Cooling off and washing up in the creek was great. Dan'ger brought the BBQ and dogs and we grilled them up with some fish. Fiona and 0gre brought some snacks, and I brought up some beerz.

    Good stuff.



    This is grate, all we need is one PCP attic a week and we will be in good shape. Man I am so happy that Oge took you guys and you dropped EC and PCP in one day. It may be only 15 miles but it is some of the finest stuff around. You will be back for more.

    Now you will understand why we head for the hills when the snow melts. The bay just does not offer this kind of Drug.
    The climbs were greuling, never-ending sets of false summits and soul-crushing walls.

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    Good times! Special thanks to 0gre, Fiona, and Dan'ger. Did anyone find my arm/elbow guards in their stuff? They're Roach/Race Face, size XL, I know I had them at the river, and they aren't in Dan's truck...

    Both trails were extremely difficult. I recall about 100 hike-a-bikes over impassable downed logs, particularly at the top of Eagle. They are tight, rocky, steep, poorly signed if at all, and full of short but gnarly technical uphills, steep bouldery chutes into 180 degree hairpins with 8" vertical waterbars at the exit, and many hike-a-bikes for those of us with less than immortal trials skills. Big bikes don't help because the trails are too tight to get enough speed to make the suspension work. They were not designed for bicycles, or, I think, designed at all...they have the feel of game trails appropriated by humans. You will fall at least once.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eemerson
    I'm in town, the weather's nice, Kelly has the day off - and I'm healing a torn MCL . Maybe we can make the next one (if there's a shuttle). Have fun (like that needs to said about PCP ).
    Bummer, I was thinking of calling you for this ride, I remember how much you enjoyed it last time. I'm certain that there will be some sort of shuttle for the next PCP ride, probably not like this weekends for reasons detailed below.

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    Truth

    First, thanks for hanging out, It was great meeting Craig and Eric, John, Dan, and Kevin, awesome riding with you guys again. Things didn't flow quite as well as I'd hopes and I really didn't expect Eagle Creek to burn so much time. Oh well, live and learn. I'd planned for a much longer second ride at PCP with a bit more XC type riding but we just flat ran out of time

    I'm glad you guys enjoyed the PCP, likely next time we do something like this I'll just put together one longer shuttle with PCP as the centerpiece. There are also some great ways you can ride Pinecrest as part of a bigger epic ride... With some of the newer stuff I've found out about it's getting close to a 50 mile loop.

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    maybe next time

    Quote Originally Posted by 0gre
    Bummer, I was thinking of calling you for this ride, I remember how much you enjoyed it last time. I'm certain that there will be some sort of shuttle for the next PCP ride, probably not like this weekends for reasons detailed below.
    Believe me, I'm not complaining about a minor tear of one MCL - there are lots of people in far worse shape than me. I even managed a short New Melones ride on Monday. I'll try to get back into shape by the 22nd-23rd. If I don't get Kelly out on a serious ride soon I think she's gonna leave me!

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