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    Tamarancho?

    Thinking about riding Tamo tomorrow Wednesday. Anyone ride there recently - conditions? thanks!

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    Also interested in this. If no one posts back, please update after your ride since I was thinking of heading up this weekend.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MondoRides View Post
    Also interested in this. If no one posts back, please update after your ride since I was thinking of heading up this weekend.
    Sure you are good to go, been dry and warm around here for a week, most of it drains pretty well.

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    South facing stuff will have puddles as it does not drain well. It is somewhat wet. Ride it don't slide it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MondoRides View Post
    Also interested in this. If no one posts back, please update after your ride since I was thinking of heading up this weekend.
    Hey Mondo - Rode Tamo yesterday and conditions are good. A few muddy spots but overall good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DriverB View Post
    South facing stuff will have puddles as it does not drain well. It is somewhat wet. Ride it don't slide it!

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    Rode yesterday. Just the opposite is true as indicated above. North side has some puddles but great riding overall. South side is generally dry as to be expected.

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    Any problems noted at the Endor flow trail? Please let me know so I can develop a plan to fix it. I've been out of town for a couple months.


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    Davey, Overall endor is in great shape. There is one significant muddy spot about 2/3 of the way down.

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    Do NOT ride the flow if there is mud. Have respect for locals, thank you

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    Quote Originally Posted by testa di cazzo View Post
    Davey, Overall endor is in great shape. There is one significant muddy spot about 2/3 of the way down.
    Cool thank you! I think I know which spot you're talking about


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    Quote Originally Posted by DriverB View Post
    Do NOT ride the flow if there is mud. Have respect for locals, thank you

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    i respect the fact that you seem to be a *ick.

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    Edit: see my post below. I am not trying to be a d*ck as you say, but give a realistic assessment of the trails for people who are not local and thinking about driving in. Posting up on message boards that the trails are totally dry and "game on" is just not accurate. By all means ride and have fun when the trails are reasonably dry. In conditions like weve had lately though it's just destructive and disrespectful to those who maintain them.

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    Rode it yesterday, at least down B-17, droken dam, goldman, alchemist from the white hill/porcupine trail uphill.

    Muddy. VERY muddy in spots. Saw two crashes from mud grabbing front wheel. Several switchbacks are virtually unrideable up due to muddy ditch down middle. 100' foot sections of mud+puddles.

    I'm more sensitive than most when it comes to this perspective, but I was not the only one sharing post shred guilt over beers afterward. Karma will be restored during upcoming trail work parties!!

    Of course, anyone could also point out long sections that were mostly dry and in good shape. But it you want to avoid mud, head to Eldridge on Tam and other rocky options.

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    ^^ thank you for seconding a realistic description of current conditions. I live here and I Tamarancho is notoriously a place that does NOT drain well in many spots during the winter. It will be deep mud in spots for some time. Rain again this weekend. I personally avoid it during weather stretches like this to preserve our trails and respect the trail crews and boy scouts.

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    I generally keep away from Tamarancho for about 2 weeks after it rains. The North facing stuff stays really wet for a long time.

    That being said, I'm getting away from rain shaming other cyclists. 99% of us do the right thing and the few who do ride it in the wet are generally new to off road cycling and just figuring things out.

    Hopefully people will come out to the trail work day the 25th to help get things back on track.


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    Thanks for the update on conditions. Sounds like I should probably skip this weekend and maybe try China Camp which seems to drain much better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MondoRides View Post
    Thanks for the update on conditions. Sounds like I should probably skip this weekend and maybe try China Camp which seems to drain much better.
    Don't let these Nancy's dictate your riding pleasure, if you are a member, you have just as much right to be out there as anyone. Most of these "locals" are probably originally from Modesto...

    I rode it yesterday and it was fine, yes there is some mud, if you want to avoid that, well lock your bike away until June, anywhere you ride in Marin right now will have muddy spots, china camp included.

    Of course don't ride after or during a major rain, but it's been dry for almost 2 weeks and it's not half as bad as these guys make it sound.. I encountered no monster crash inducing impassable muddy switch backs, just some wet spots.

    Use common sense is all, pretty easy. I rode 100% guilt free, also saw a mountain lion which I had to scare off, not on tamarancho trail.

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    Keep in mind a long section of China Camp is closed due to land slides which means a good bit of riding on the road to complete a loop.

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    There's two closures at China Camp, one at Bayview a little past the 3rd bridge and another on shoreline. The rest of it was fine. I avoided the first closure by going up echo to Bayhills drive and down some other weird trail i've never been a little past the missile site on the left which reconnects where bayview ends, but it was a super steep and rutted trail I had to walk a lot down. The shoreline closure is easy to get around on on the road but not idea.

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    Parts of Alchemist are totally mud bogged near the bottom. The flow trail has a huge mud puddle at the bottom of the big right hander (about 2/3 down).
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    Given that we're expecting more rain tonight, does anyone have any thoughts about rideability tomorrow?

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    Quote Originally Posted by EDRN911 View Post
    Given that we're expecting more rain tonight, does anyone have any thoughts about rideability tomorrow?
    I'd hit China Camp instead. Personally. Of course you are totally welcome to ride at Tamarancho provided you have a pass.

    If you do ride in wet conditions be sure to donate a day and come dig with us on a trail work day.

    If you need any suggestions on where to ride other than T-ranch be sure to PM me.


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    ^ Thanks! Tomorrow would be my first time at Tamarancho, not sure if it would be worth coming from Pleasanton if the trails are sloppy. Kinda off topic, but would tamarancho be more enjoyable on my single speed rigid or on my full squish ibis? I've really been digging my SS lately

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    It's raining here now. I'd def bring the SS if you ride here before it dries. Full sus is a bit overkill. If it has a seat dropper the SS will be primo for the flow trail.


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    Quote Originally Posted by seamarsh View Post
    also saw a mountain lion which I had to scare off, not on tamarancho trail.
    Where?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CrozCountry View Post
    Where?
    Can't say exactly, but you can see area from wagon wheel. Smaller juvenile, probably about 40-60 lbs, 30 yards away, so got a good look. Was up on a knoll above trail, maybe sleeping? Was not scared off by yelling etc, had to lift bike up over my head and yell to scare it off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seamarsh View Post
    Can't say exactly, but you can see area from wagon wheel. Smaller juvenile, probably about 40-60 lbs, 30 yards away, so got a good look. Was up on a knoll above trail, maybe sleeping? Was not scared off by yelling etc, had to lift bike up over my head and yell to scare it off.
    Sounds super realistic

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    Quote Originally Posted by seamarsh View Post
    don't let these nancy's dictate your riding pleasure, if you are a member, you have just as much right to be out there as anyone. Most of these "locals" are probably originally from modesto...

    I rode it yesterday and it was fine, yes there is some mud, if you want to avoid that, well lock your bike away until june, anywhere you ride in marin right now will have muddy spots, china camp included.

    Of course don't ride after or during a major rain, but it's been dry for almost 2 weeks and it's not half as bad as these guys make it sound.. I encountered no monster crash inducing impassable muddy switch backs, just some wet spots.

    Use common sense is all, pretty easy. I rode 100% guilt free, also saw a mountain lion which i had to scare off, not on tamarancho trail.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GoGoGordo View Post
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    Why so harsh Gordo?
    Wait whuuut, who did he tell you that!?!?....

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    Quote Originally Posted by seamarsh View Post
    Don't let these Nancy's dictate your riding pleasure, if you are a member, you have just as much right to be out there as anyone. Most of these "locals" are probably originally from Modesto...
    We all have the right to do many things but don't because of common decency. Just sayin'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JayPee View Post
    We all have the right to do many things but don't because of common decency. Just sayin'.
    Its obviously tongue and cheek.. anytime anyone says they are a local I cringe.. because they are usually not originally from here, hence Modesto.

    I dont think it has anything to do with decency. Just common sense. there is no official determining factor that dictates when one is ok to ride. not a website to check or a soil test to be read.

    I did not think it was as bad as the other poster, who witnessed multiple accidents and impassible ruts, I also think if you are a member, local or not, you have a right to come and see for yourself, given a period of drying has occurred, which it had until last weekend.

    Apologies if any Nancys were offended.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DriverB View Post
    Edit: see my post below. I am not trying to be a d*ck as you say, but give a realistic assessment of the trails for people who are not local and thinking about driving in. Posting up on message boards that the trails are totally dry and "game on" is just not accurate. By all means ride and have fun when the trails are reasonably dry. In conditions like weve had lately though it's just destructive and disrespectful to those who maintain them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JayPee View Post
    We all have the right to do many things but don't because of common decency. Just sayin'.
    +1

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    Quote Originally Posted by seamarsh View Post
    Its obviously tongue and cheek.. anytime anyone says they are a local I cringe.. .
    Locals happen to know the trail conditions... Which was the point of this thread. Someone not from here wants to know what it's going to be like from people who live here. Pretty reasonable right? The locals who have chimed in here have given an accurate description while others have blown it off.

    By all means visit and have fun. We are inclusive here. But the trails are what they are. I don't understand the hate for locals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DriverB View Post
    Locals happen to know the trail conditions... Which was the point of this thread. Someone not from here wants to know what it's going to be like from people who live here. Pretty reasonable right? The locals who have chimed in here have given an accurate description while others have blown it off.

    By all means visit and have fun. We are inclusive here. But the trails are what they are. I don't understand the hate for locals.

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    Sounds super realistic bro.. super...

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    Quote Originally Posted by seamarsh View Post
    Sounds super realistic bro.. super...
    Cool story bro

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    News flash: you can do whatever you want but riding in mud isn't even fun.
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    I actually attended the camp's Boy Scout summer camp out when I was both a Cub Scout until the first few levels of Boy Scout and I lost interest in the program.

    Personally I don't care where people are from provided they have a pass.

    It would be nice if people put some effort into the trails. This year has been pretty rough. We have a trail work day on the 25th.


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    Quote Originally Posted by testa di cazzo View Post
    Thinking about riding Tamo tomorrow Wednesday. Anyone ride there recently - conditions? thanks!
    I thought I'd go check the trails out for myself, and put an end to this cat fight. There is definitely some standing water and puddles here and there...nothing to stop one from riding. There are the usual spots on Alchemist and Serpentine...kinda like a cross between peanut butter and a sewer pond! Overall, I'd say the majority of the trails were riding great. I cleaned up some debris, picked up some trash, and had a good time. Honestly, I was going to ride it no matter what...I drove all the way from Modesto
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    Quote Originally Posted by griz View Post
    I thought I'd go check the trails out for myself, and put an end to this cat fight. There is definitely some standing water and puddles here and there...nothing to stop one from riding. There are the usual spots on Alchemist and Serpentine...kinda like a cross between peanut butter and a sewer pond! Overall, I'd say the majority of the trails were riding great. I cleaned up some debris, picked up some trash, and had a good time. Honestly, I was going to ride it no matter what...I drove all the way from Modesto
    Modesto? Now thats committed!
    The Rancho is fine.
    I was out there yesterday too.
    Thanks for the update Griz.
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    Quote Originally Posted by griz View Post
    Hell yeahs...cat fight
    Seriously, I think trump has ****ed my head up, I need to smoke a peace pipe and chill!

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    Tamo Blammo!

    It's not a matter of locals or visitors. Tamarancho is a little gem, built by hand, by cyclists. We had a WET winter -not over yet. Tamarancho has some very soft soil areas. And although it was constructed well for drainage etc., riding those trails when muddy creates damage that CAN NOT BE REPAIRED.

    I helped build those trails (as did my local pals who put countess hours, over years -far more than I did) But those trails were very different when first constructed. Weather & heavy traffic over the years taken its toll. Rain and natural erosion are a major factor. But we ride bigger, heavier, faster bikes now. Hard braking & skidding do major, irreperaple damage. The repair crews can't repair the trail surface, just shore up damaged edges, etc.

    Please don't ride Tamarancho when it's wet. The shaded sections take time to dry out. It's my favorite workout loop (hundreds of laps) But I head for drier terrain in winter. And please, when you do ride there STYLE IT. Ease up on the hard braking, and don't slide the turns. Those cool little moves you see in the videos where the rider knocks up a puff of dirt, is hell on these trails. The best riders barely leave a trace of where they've been. Why do you think they call it the FLOW TRAIL. If you love to ride, PRESERVE don't destroy.

    Tamarancho was one of the first ALL SINGLETRACK trail systems -built BY CYCLISTS. But many sections are now double track because riders are afraid to ride through a little mud, or rocks. If you like SINGLETRACK -ride it that way. Don't create doubletrack. If you watch a pro racer on bike, auto, moto, they are SMOOTH. No skidding, just beautiful fluid flow. If an old dog like me can do it, anyone can.

    There are plenty of other challenging rides that drain far better in wet weather. Please ride smart, and help preserve this little gem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fairfaxian View Post
    It's not a matter of locals or visitors. Tamarancho is a little gem, built by hand, by cyclists. We had a WET winter -not over yet. Tamarancho has some very soft soil areas. And although it was constructed well for drainage etc., riding those trails when muddy creates damage that CAN NOT BE REPAIRED.

    I helped build those trails (as did my local pals who put countess hours, over years -far more than I did) But those trails were very different when first constructed. Weather & heavy traffic over the years taken its toll. Rain and natural erosion are a major factor. But we ride bigger, heavier, faster bikes now. Hard braking & skidding do major, irreperaple damage. The repair crews can't repair the trail surface, just shore up damaged edges, etc.

    Please don't ride Tamarancho when it's wet. The shaded sections take time to dry out. It's my favorite workout loop (hundreds of laps) But I head for drier terrain in winter. And please, when you do ride there STYLE IT. Ease up on the hard braking, and don't slide the turns. Those cool little moves you see in the videos where the rider knocks up a puff of dirt, is hell on these trails. The best riders barely leave a trace of where they've been. Why do you think they call it the FLOW TRAIL. If you love to ride, PRESERVE don't destroy.

    Tamarancho was one of the first ALL SINGLETRACK trail systems -built BY CYCLISTS. But many sections are now double track because riders are afraid to ride through a little mud, or rocks. If you like SINGLETRACK -ride it that way. Don't create doubletrack. If you watch a pro racer on bike, auto, moto, they are SMOOTH. No skidding, just beautiful fluid flow. If an old dog like me can do it, anyone can.

    There are plenty of other challenging rides that drain far better in wet weather. Please ride smart, and help preserve this little gem.
    Did it dry? I was thinking about a visit with a friend that comes from abroad, but only if some locals tell us it is ok to go !

    Any recommendation for a flowy route?

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    I rode it Tuesday...it's fine. There is a little mud here and there but, nothing to keep you from riding. Have fun, and come out for a work day

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    Seriously though, besides the fact previously stated (mud ain't fun), I've caused way more erosion during the dry season. Skidiot for life.
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    Very nice trail !! Thanks for the advice !!

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