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    Quote Originally Posted by Empty_Beer View Post
    Looks pretty good to me at-a-glance; it will be interesting to see how the "anti's" comment.
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    Introducing a bill is one thing -- getting it passed is another.

    However, I am happy to see that the cause is continuing, and I'm cautiously optimistic.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by pliebenberg View Post
    Looks pretty good to me at-a-glance; it will be interesting to see how the "anti's" comment.
    The anti's thus far (besides the obvious hatred of bikes and normal complaints) seem to be losing it over chainsaws. Funny they don't realize that chainsaws have always been permissible in Wilderness... on a case-by-case basis. The other anti's include mt. bikers who dislike and don't trust the bill's sponsors, and think this is all a trap those two came up with to sell Wilderness lands to the highest bidder. Hopefully other Senators step up once congress returns from recess... which is why it is so important to get letters written to them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by California_Dave View Post
    Introducing a bill is one thing -- getting it passed is another.

    However, I am happy to see that the cause is continuing, and I'm cautiously optimistic.....
    Getting any legislation passed in Congress is an uphill battle, so STC will need everyone to take two minutes to write their senators and member of Congress in support of the bill. There's a page on the STC website that shows how to do this quickly and easily, and suggests some things to say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Empty_Beer View Post
    The anti's thus far (besides the obvious hatred of bikes and normal complaints) seem to be losing it over chainsaws. Funny they don't realize that chainsaws have always been permissible in Wilderness... on a case-by-case basis. The other anti's include mt. bikers who dislike and don't trust the bill's sponsors, and think this is all a trap those two came up with to sell Wilderness lands to the highest bidder. Hopefully other Senators step up once congress returns from recess... which is why it is so important to get letters written to them.
    Smart move adding the chainsaws. Ok ok fine, we can remove the chainsaws if it will make you guys happy
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    Gave some dough to keep up the good fight and sent my letter to Rep Swalwell.
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    Thank you, Zorg!

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    Job well done. Cheers to all of you. Every time people talk about piles of difficulties and you guys show another step forward.

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    Upset IMBA: we don't work for mtn bikers, we work for IMBA!

    However, IMBA is also on record with the strong belief that amending the Wilderness Act comes not only with a risk of unintended consequences, especially political consequences and further polarization of the stewardship and outdoor recreation community, and is unnecessary to preserve mountain bike access while also achieving landscape level conservation.
    I cannot help but read that as:
    If IMBA supports this, the Sierra Club won't invite me to their holiday parties any more.

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    The local SC group here is coming out against mountain biking, typical, mountain bike groups having to kiss ass to show land managers we are not a bunch of aholes and the environmental groups selling us out.
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    With The New York Times covering the bill/issue, and tons more news outlets picking up the Times' story, STC continues to build momentum!

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/20/us...ns-debate.html

    Let's hope the additional media attention starts to bring in additional dollars cause STC is running out of $.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Empty_Beer View Post
    With The New York Times covering the bill/issue, and tons more news outlets picking up the Times' story, STC continues to build momentum!

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/20/us...ns-debate.html

    Let's hope the additional media attention starts to bring in additional dollars cause STC is running out of $.
    This sounds downright Trumpian.

    Support the cause, not sure about this messaging.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GhostOfForumsPast View Post
    This sounds downright Trumpian.

    Support the cause, not sure about this messaging.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Davey Simon View Post
    How ironic since your lame meme instigated Godwin's law.

    I'm not surprised by your lack of critical thinking though. It's par for the course at this point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GhostOfForumsPast View Post
    How ironic since your lame meme instigated Godwin's law.

    I'm not surprised by your lack of critical thinking though. It's par for the course at this point.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Davey Simon View Post
    Posting another lame meme does not change the fact that you are the first person to invoke Hitler and trigger Godwin.

    Are you really this stupid in real life Davey or is this just a shtick that you play out on MTBR so normal folks can have a laugh at your expense?

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    Seriously, Pete (or someone who knows you really well)... please explain why nobody -- even people who spend waaaay too much time trying to make things good for mountain biking -- why nobody can live up to your standards of "critical thinking" and intellect without getting ripped by you. Who do you admire in mountain bike "advocacy"?

    I love when you dress down HOHA's on FB, but most of your friendly fire on MTBR just makes me scratch my head and leads me to believe you have issues a person like me can't quite comprehend. I must lack critical thinking!!

    Just like when I get into it with Randy Welch, I await your insult...



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    Quote Originally Posted by GhostOfForumsPast View Post
    Posting another lame meme does not change the fact that you are the first person to invoke Hitler and trigger Godwin.

    Are you really this stupid in real life Davey or is this just a shtick that you play out on MTBR so normal folks can have a laugh at your expense?
    I just think it's great I can now compare Trump and Hitler.

    I can see how that would make you upset considering you're a total piece of crap that is only in his current position because of a trust fund as well.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Empty_Beer View Post
    Seriously, Pete (or someone who knows you really well)... please explain why nobody -- even people who spend waaaay too much time trying to make things good for mountain biking -- why nobody can live up to your standards of "critical thinking" and intellect without getting ripped by you. Who do you admire in mountain bike "advocacy"?

    I love when you dress down HOHA's on FB, but most of your friendly fire on MTBR just makes me scratch my head and leads me to believe you have issues a person like me can't quite comprehend. I must lack critical thinking!!

    Just like when I get into it with Randy Welch, I await your insult...



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    Sometimes I discuss those things.

    "nobody can live up to your standards of "critical thinking" and intellect " - simply not true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Davey Simon View Post
    I can see how that would make you upset considering you're a total piece of crap that is only in his current position because of a trust fund as well.
    "Current position" ? "Trust fund" ? Trump supporter?

    Wow, there is a whole bunch more crazy going on in your head that I thought.

    Please send me info abut this trust fund. I could really use it right now given that as of yesterday I have two kids in college.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GhostOfForumsPast View Post
    This sounds downright Trumpian.
    Well, as long as it is not Clintonian. But that depends on the definition of what is is.

    But back on the topic, I am glad to see that STC generated more mainstream coverage of the problem than IMBA did in years and years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Axe View Post
    Well, as long as it is not Clintonian. But that depends on the definition of what is is.

    But back on the topic, I am glad to see that STC generated more mainstream coverage of the problem than IMBA did in years and years.
    More than IMBA ever!

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    Quote Originally Posted by zorg View Post
    More than IMBA ever!
    Judging from many of my friends, most people are even unaware such idiotic restrictions do exist. "You can't ride a bicycle on a dirt road? Really? Why?".. "You can't use a wheelbarrow to maintain trail? Are you serious?".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Axe View Post
    Judging from many of my friends, most people are even unaware such idiotic restrictions do exist. "You can't ride a bicycle on a dirt road? Really? Why?".. "You can't use a wheelbarrow to maintain trail? Are you serious?".
    The most important work STC has done is make people aware of these issues...


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    Some nice recognition for Ted and the STC

    2016 Pinkbike Awards - Advocacy of the Year Winner - Pinkbike

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    Great work and very good recognition from the industry!

    p.s. I also sent some $$$.

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    Some nice recognition for Ted and the STC

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarkMass View Post
    Great work and very good recognition from the industry!

    p.s. I also sent some $$$.
    Cheers!


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    ^Definite props for Davey and Mr. Stroll. You don't make friends changing the status quo. Getting the cold shoulder's one thing, but now my feet are freezing.


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    Buy a t-shirt and keep this moving forward! Some good news should be announced soon but there is still political work to be done in the Beltway.

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    So did S.3205 die in committee or is it still under consideration?

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    My understanding is everything proposed by the 114th congress expired with the beginning of the 115th congress. So the bill needs to be reintroduced... which should happen fairly soon in both the Senate and the House.

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    Long video, but a good one skip towards the last part, dude rides his bike over Tioga pass only to get a ticket cause apparently the road turns to wilderness in the winter, no signs saying no bikes either. Rangers notice his tracks and hunt him down and he gets a $125 dollar ticket, at least it's cheaper than a $400 dollar mid-pen ticket

    Go to about 50 minutes and 40 seconds in
    https://youtu.be/q5ivbYvq9WU

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    Is that Iohan G.'s video? Awesome stuff. I asked him directly about it too and he said the ticket was dismissed but I am skeptical about the legality of "Wilderness in winter" for a road that is outside of the Wilderness boundary, but is surrounded on both sides by the boundary. Maybe it's just a "no motors in winter" to keep the snowmobiles out that morphed into a "Wilderness" mentality because no one in their right mind would take a bike in there in the winter, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Empty_Beer View Post
    My understanding is everything proposed by the 114th congress expired with the beginning of the 115th congress. So the bill needs to be reintroduced... which should happen fairly soon in both the Senate and the House.
    Thanks, my definitive resource on legislature is ambiguous on what happens when a session ends and a bill is still in committee.

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    Senator Mike Lee has a lot more clout now that you-know-who lost the election.

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    Honestly, the STC bill has a much greater likelihood of success now that there is a Republican President, Senate and House. May be one of the good things that will come of this craziness.
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    There's a great place for armchair quarterbacks...it's in armchair football.
    Most people who spout off on forums do nothing but spout off on forums.
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    speaking of which be sure to send in a donation to STC and help keep the dream alive. No armchair QBing!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Davey Simon View Post
    speaking of which be sure to send in a donation to STC and help keep the dream alive. No armchair QBing!


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    I strongly agree with that. I've put my money where my mouth is and 10x'd it with time and effort.
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    Tee shirts

    A direct link to the STC fundraiser tees showed up via FB :

    www.booster.com/sustainabletrailscoalition

    (I bought one of each color; gifts!)
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    I donated again.

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