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    Skyline Blvd car crash video

    This is from Ratpick on Roadbikereview. I think it's very relevant here. Put it in HD mode and watch:

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    Mike Jacoubowsky of Chain Reaction Bikes was riding up on Skyline Blvd yesterday and captured this video of a car crash. You won't see the actual crash, but just before and the result as they ride up on it.

    <iframe width="640" height="390" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/mrzbgEXGgWg" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

    Mike's blog entry here.

    Sobering. I used to be too afraid to ride on Skyline but have got used to it (I worry more about deer than cars these days). This is a good reminder that it's no safer than any other road.

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    fawkin insane!!!!!

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    why did they stop? F#@** that car, drive like a retard and that's what happens!

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    Call me mean but I damn well hope mike handed a copy of that over to Highway Patrol.

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    Jeezus. My car won't even hit 80 MPH, unless I've got like a mile open on 280... fat chance of that ever happening.

    This is why I don't like road riding in general. Even if cars see you, most of the time they buzz you anyways or give you space but still fly by.

    I hope that guy never drives again. Unlikely to happen, but it's still worth a try.
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    ahh welcome to my world. can't tell you how many roll overs, vehicle in the trees, over the side, and motorcycle crashes we respond to each year on 35, 9. 84,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buzz Cut
    ahh welcome to my world. can't tell you how many roll overs, vehicle in the trees, over the side, and motorcycle crashes we respond to each year on 35, 9. 84
    Approximately how many of those are alcohol-related? Any more or less than the statewide average?

    (Ironically, your sig is what made me think of that.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by uncle mama
    why did they stop? F#@** that car, drive like a retard and that's what happens!

    Likely because Mike's a father and family man himself and would likely do the right thing there even if the person was an asshat, if nothing more than to protect other drivers who might get caught up in that accident if the fog layer hit. There's barely a 100' vindow of visability at times up there and it doesn't matter on the time of day, clouds and inversion layers happen.

    Black ice and/or moist tarmac often contribute to the overzealous overly confident driver's getting themselves a reality check.

    Driving into Boulder Creek from the Bay side last week when the temps dropped a guy overtakes me out of nowhere just as we're hitting 2 Bar Road going into that straightaway..morning mist hanging there just above my lifted vehicles windows I feel the layer of temperature change and begin to shake my head thinking "CHP will be right there, and it's likely black iced like always.."

    Guy goes to downshift, but I know he can't see CHP yet but might have a radar detector, right as he downshifts and taps the brakes he goes spinning..

    Right past two squadcars and a motorcycle officer with a radar gun sitting there on the right in the pullover.

    At the same moment I hear the change in pitch you sometimes get from the black ice..

    I let off the throttle while a patrol car pulls out after I pass him, ease over to the right as he goes after the guy that spun and recovered.

    I pull into town and head into Johnny's for a snack and they're still sitting there across from the Hardware Store as i head on down to Santa Cruz merrily along my way.

    I learned to drive in those hills and on 17 and that in and of itself taught me to respect the place and not try to be some badass..some people it takes a wreck for it to sink in b/c they've seen the wrecks and still thing "It won't happen to me, I'm a badass."


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    Good karma for the riders who stop to help, regardless of how the guy was driving.

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    Skyline is crazy deadly all right. 30 plus years ago, I watched a friend of mine fly off Skyline just north of Windy Hill going 80 mph. No seat belts in his cherry red 1959 bathtub Porsche... both he and his girlfirend were ejected thru the windshield into the scrub bushes.

    They were both very lucky to survive, somehow managing not to hit any trees as the car flew off the road. He had just passed my car and my other buddy's car going crazy fast and two turns later flew off the road. All I could do was shake my head as he flew by. And yes, he was hammered. We were swimming at Horseshoe lake with our girlfriends... all very legal back then - the swimming & the girls, not the drunk driving.

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    Quote Originally Posted by erik1245
    Approximately how many of those are alcohol-related? Any more or less than the statewide average?

    (Ironically, your sig is what made me think of that.)

    very few drunks, most are just diving faster than their skill level and car capability trying to show off their "Big Brass Ones"
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    This is how innocent people die on the road. I hope this stupid Fu*k never drives again. Im glad no one else got hurt.

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    Nice!

    Quote Originally Posted by uncle mama
    why did they stop? F#@** that car, drive like a retard and that's what happens!
    Leave people to die. Try being human for a change.

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    Quote Originally Posted by uncle mama
    why did they stop? F#@** that car, drive like a retard and that's what happens!
    I sure hope you ride under 15mph on all the trails...cause if not your really just saying that if a Mtn biker looses control on a trail and flies down a ravine then you're just going to let him rot down there...

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    BTW, Mike did contact the sheriff and point him to the video. Mike is one of the most level-headed reasoning people I know of. No question he'd stop and help another human in need no matter what the circumstances.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ratpick
    BTW, Mike did contact the sheriff and point him to the video. Mike is one of the most level-headed reasoning people I know of. No question he'd stop and help another human in need no matter what the circumstances.

    Absolutely perfect execution! Help a person in peril, show the video to the police, blog about it to build awareness.

    So here's some thoughts:

    - if there was no GoPro video, this story would not be a big deal. Catching accidents on video is absolutely golden. It is even more crucial when it is your accident and there are no witnesses.

    - what if that driver ran over your friend? Would you still help him??

    - Skyline is a death trap. It is just too fast and too straight. What happens is thrill seekers have to go past 80 mph to get their rush. Visibility is awful in the shade. From Highway 92 to 84 is a camouflage and there's cyclists there that are soo hard to see.

    - There's always been the rumor of the Century Club between Highway 9 and 84. You need to average 100 mph in that span. Any truth to that?

    - If you bike there or in the area, a powerful flashing headlamp and red blinkie are essential. And a gopro...

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    I remember when I was in high school a driver on Hecker Pass momentarily looked into the back seat for something and drove through a group of four bikers out on a weekend wine tasting trip killing all four. I still vividly remember the spray paint outline of a headless body and a lone circle several yards away.
    Happened about a mile from my house. I'll stick to dirt and knobby tires thank you very much.

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    Weirdly, I don't think of Skyline as a death trap (for cyclists) any more. Folks do drive very fast but you can hear them coming and there is rarely traffic coming the other way so they nearly always cross over and give room.

    I actually find motorcycles to be the worst up there - they won't modify their line through a corner just because a cyclist happens to be on the apex.

    The exception is the one ******bag in 100 who hates cyclists and has to let us know, of course.

    Real death traps are climbing high-traffic roads like 84 (from Portola) or 92 (from Crystal Springs), or anywhere near a school at dropoff or pickup time.

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    Weirdly, I don't think of Skyline as a death trap (for cyclists) any more.
    I think it depends on the cyclist. Just got back from a ride up near Long Ridge open space. I was going about 25+MPH (in the car on the way home) and came around a corner to find cyclists riding side-by-side in my lane and I had cars coming from from the opposite direction. If I was going any faster I would not have been able to slow down to their speed in time.

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    What about the car coming from the other direction at 30 seconds? He may have caused the other driver to swerve and flip over. He probably saw the whole thing in his rear view mirror, but decided to get the hell out of there.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by JL de Jong
    What about the car coming from the other direction at 30 seconds? He may have caused the other driver to swerve and flip over. He probably saw the whole thing in his rear view mirror, but decided to get the hell out of there.....
    Whuuut? What's the point of creating such a remote theory? The driver is clearly reckless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JL de Jong
    What about the car coming from the other direction at 30 seconds? He may have caused the other driver to swerve and flip over. He probably saw the whole thing in his rear view mirror, but decided to get the hell out of there.....
    Also, it (closer to 20 seconds) seems that the driver coming towards Mike had already rounded that turn, and the crashed driver was already out of his line of sight by then.
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    I don't understand why roadies would wear a helmet cam. All you would see is the road & the guys' butts in front of you.

    Oh.... Now I understand.

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    just got back from landing Stanfords Life Flight Helicopter at Sempervirons point on 9 to fly out a motorcyclist that crossed the double yellow sliding out on a turn just down from 35 on the Saratoga Side. He hit an uphill traveling car head on at about 40 mph.
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    Yikes!

    Quote Originally Posted by Buzz Cut
    just got back from landing Stanfords Life Flight Helicopter at Sempervirons point on 9 to fly out a motorcyclist that crossed the double yellow sliding out on a turn just down from 35 on the Saratoga Side. He hit an uphill traveling car head on at about 40 mph.

    I remember being 18 and stupid like that. I nearly lost it on 121 once near Sears Point. Somebody was looking out for me that night. I've toned it down a bunch since then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Finch Platte
    I don't understand why roadies would wear a helmet cam. All you would see is the road & the guys' butts in front of you.

    Oh.... Now I understand.


    Butt seriously, good for them for stopping to help. It would have been so tempting to ride on by, point, and go HA-HA! a la Nelson (from the Simpsons)

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    I drove from Los Gatos to Santa Cruz yesterday and saw 5+ CHP on the way there and another 5+ on the way back. Has anyone else noticed the recent surge in radar/ticketing? Why don't they send a few up to Skyline (especially on the weekend). Put one around a blind corner with the radar and another a mile up to stop people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by urban turban
    I drove from Los Gatos to Santa Cruz yesterday and saw 5+ CHP on the way their and another 5+ on the way back. Has anyone else noticed the recent surge in radar/ticketing? Why don't they send a few up to Skyline (especially on the weekend). Put one around a blind corner with the radar and another a mile up to stop people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by francois

    - what if that driver ran over your friend? Would you still help him??
    check on friend. call 911 if reception. if not, ride out to reception or flag down car. turn off gopro. beat driver to a pulp. turn on go pro, make it look like i was helping.



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    There's always been the rumor of the Century Club between Highway 9 and 84. You need to average 100 mph in that span. Any truth to that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by urban turban
    I drove from Los Gatos to Santa Cruz yesterday and saw 5+ CHP on the way there and another 5+ on the way back. Has anyone else noticed the recent surge in radar/ticketing? Why don't they send a few up to Skyline (especially on the weekend). Put one around a blind corner with the radar and another a mile up to stop people.
    17 and major freeways = more tickets/revenue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by urban turban
    I drove from Los Gatos to Santa Cruz yesterday and saw 5+ CHP on the way there and another 5+ on the way back. Has anyone else noticed the recent surge in radar/ticketing? Why don't they send a few up to Skyline (especially on the weekend). Put one around a blind corner with the radar and another a mile up to stop people.

    There has been a lot of speeding tickets going on recently in the freeways. I would say 3-5x what I normally see stopped on the side of the road.

    I don't think I've ever seen anyone ticketed on Higway 35. I have noticed the speed limit on Highway 9 has been dropped to a very slow speed. 30 or 35 mph I think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by urban turban
    I drove from Los Gatos to Santa Cruz yesterday and saw 5+ CHP on the way there and another 5+ on the way back. Has anyone else noticed the recent surge in radar/ticketing? Why don't they send a few up to Skyline (especially on the weekend). Put one around a blind corner with the radar and another a mile up to stop people.
    I believe the reason they have stop doing that is due to the fact that the officers/highway patrol can't catch the people on hwy 35/skyline... I know a friend who's uncle is an highway patrol along Skyline an the cruel reality is that most of the motorcyclist/drivers who are doing near or over double the limit aren't going to stop for them.

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    Realizing there isn't a lot of sympathy for the driver here...

    was he conscious when you guys saw him? i.e, is he gonna be ok?
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2clue
    I believe the reason they have stop doing that is due to the fact that the officers/highway patrol can't catch the people on hwy 35/skyline... I know a friend who's uncle is an highway patrol along Skyline an the cruel reality is that most of the motorcyclist/drivers who are doing near or over double the limit aren't going to stop for them.
    Don't buy it. That's why Man invented radio and spike strips.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2clue
    I believe the reason they have stop doing that is due to the fact that the officers/highway patrol can't catch the people on hwy 35/skyline... I know a friend who's uncle is an highway patrol along Skyline an the cruel reality is that most of the motorcyclist/drivers who are doing near or over double the limit aren't going to stop for them.
    Yep!!!

    Can you frigging imagine high speed chases up there? Regularly?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigLarry
    Don't buy it. That's why Man invented radio and spike strips.
    Think about it though..even with the use of the CB the officer must first catch up to the motorcyclist/driver to even get a description on it. Thats already a problem since the HWY patrol is at a stand still when he tags the vehicle and must proceed to catch up to the vehicle to even get a description or the plates. With a vehicle you have less of a chance of running away as giving out detail descriptions of those are easy. However with motorcycles...the most the officer can say is " blue/yellow/white motorcycle...." and how many rice rocket motorcycles have that combo? Alot...

    It's more difficult to catch a speeder on hwy 35 then it is to catch them on say hwy 17. The amount of man power/money it must cost to catch one speeder on hwy 35 probably could result in catching a handful on hwy 17..

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2clue
    It's more difficult to catch a speeder on hwy 35 then it is to catch them on say hwy 17. The amount of man power/money it must cost to catch one speeder on hwy 35 probably could result in catching a handful on hwy 17..
    Are you saying that it all comes down to $$$ and safety is not as big of a concern? I would be blind to think that the world doesn't revolve around money, but that's a stretch. I went around a blind corner on 17 on my way home the other day to come face to face with an officer pointing his radar at me. I was doing 65mph in a 50mph zone, and he didn't pull me over because I acknowledged him and slowed down.

    The video is of a car losing control and flipping over, not a motorcycle. An out of control car on Skyline can cause much more damage than a motorcycle and is also much easier to block and stop. What if that car went around the corner, lost it, and plowed right into another car and took a family with it?

    Quote Originally Posted by BigLarry
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    Quote Originally Posted by urban turban
    I was doing 65mph in a 50mph zone, and he didn't pull me over because I acknowledged him and slowed down....

    He didn't pull you over because it was your lucky day!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by francois
    He didn't pull you over because it was your lucky day!!

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    I was only a few hundred yards from the Bear Creek Road exit. My WRX could have surely made it up Black Road to Skyline freedom. He probably realized it would cost him too much to pull me over...

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    Quote Originally Posted by urban turban
    Are you saying that it all comes down to $$$ and safety is not as big of a concern? I would be blind to think that the world doesn't revolve around money, but that's a stretch. I went around a blind corner on 17 on my way home the other day to come face to face with an officer pointing his radar at me. I was doing 65mph in a 50mph zone, and he didn't pull me over because I acknowledged him and slowed down.

    The video is of a car losing control and flipping over, not a motorcycle. An out of control car on Skyline can cause much more damage than a motorcycle and is also much easier to block and stop. What if that car went around the corner, lost it, and plowed right into another car and took a family with it?


    In a way I am saying that... I'm not saying they don't tag at all along HWY 35, but without outside pressure to patrol hwy 35 I do believe they would much rather dedicate majority of their force to patrol hwy 17, 85, and other major fwy where it requires only one patrol car to stop a vehicle as suppose to two on hwy 35.

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    I used to ride Skyline, 84, 9, Bear Creek, etc. on a variety of motorcycles. We used to fly through there, dragging knee through the turns and wheelie'ing out of the turns at 70mph in the turns, exit speed well into the triple digits. I would hit 120mph on the straightaway before I had to brake to turn.

    Of course, I don't do that anymore.

    I really am surprised I lived through al of that considering I crashed twice on those roads, one was real bad, but I survived without injury.

    Knowing how fast motorcycles and cars go through there, and actually being part of the problem, I will never ride those roads. Ever. I don't even like driving those roads.

    I've known many motorcycle riders die up there.

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    CHP has done periodic sweeps on 9 and 35 over the years, and there have been articles in the Sentinel and Mercury news. Typically they use multiple units, sometimes including an airplane to spot and pace vehicles. They then radio to a unit down the road ahead of the vehicle(s) they want to pull over. I was driving 9 one summer day, came around a corner and there were a dozen or so motorcycles pulled over, with one CHP officer and his ticket book out writing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HarryCallahan
    CHP has done periodic sweeps... sometimes including an airplane ....
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    Quote Originally Posted by HarryCallahan
    CHP has done periodic sweeps on 9 and 35 over the years, and there have been articles in the Sentinel and Mercury news. Typically they use multiple units, sometimes including an airplane to spot and pace vehicles. They then radio to a unit down the road ahead of the vehicle(s) they want to pull over. I was driving 9 one summer day, came around a corner and there were a dozen or so motorcycles pulled over, with one CHP officer and his ticket book out writing.

    The sweeps only occur after spectacular carnage:
    Sportbike into a Yukon at 130 mph at sempervirnons point with the rider expiring on top of the kids in the back seat

    two sport bikes taking each other out at speed head on in a turn with many witnesses

    things like that
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    Buzz,

    I think about those kinds of things every time I am on a two lane road with the jackholes driving that fast. Think those kids might have some nightmares? I am guessing that the answer is yes.
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    Yikes!

    Quote Originally Posted by Buzz Cut
    The sweeps only occur after spectacular carnage:
    Sportbike into a Yukon at 130 mph at sempervirnons point with the rider expiring on top of the kids in the back seat

    two sport bikes taking each other out at speed head on in a turn with many witnesses

    things like that
    I would have constant cold sweat screaming wake-up nightmares if I had to do the cleanup work you do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pmarshall
    Buzz,

    I think about those kinds of things every time I am on a two lane road with the jackholes driving that fast. Think those kids might have some nightmares? I am guessing that the answer is yes.
    probably


    Sometimes so to do those of us that that respond to those incidents. That yukon was the second of three really grusome incidents that occured within 12 hours. We all [Cal Fire/ Santa Cruz County Fire] got pulled in for critical incident stress debrief then stood down from duty for a week.

    Sometimes it gets to us, Sometimes not. You never know which incident may just hit the button that pushes you over the edge. The key is you and your co workers recognising the signs then getting the proper promt help.
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    some of the more spectacular yet non to only minor injury accidents of 35 and 9






    slow down, drive to arrive
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