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    Skegg's circa 2001 or earlier

    Rode the North leaf / South leaf trails today and have not been on it since 2001 and forgot how fun it was.

    Seem to remember where that virginia mill bridge / creek crossing, the part where it starts to get really steep. There used to be no bridge and you had to actually ride the water, and climb up the super steep section.
    Anyone remember this or am i smoking crack?
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    Your memory is correct. It was a good day if you could clear the creek crossing and the climb on the other side
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    Close by there was another alternative. the Ariel tree, had to walk across a huge redwood tree across the creek, pretty darn high, a fall would not have been fun!

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    Ah the good old days!

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    Did we call that 914 or something like that? I remember that climb being short and very steep, yes cleaning it was a chore.
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    Thanks for the confirm, was trying to find that section of the trail. The creek crossing looked familiar...

    hey since were talkin old days, first time i was at Skeggs(must have been about 93-94) they had some man made log jumps on Giant salamander no?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DCTILLER View Post
    Did we call that 914 or something like that? I remember that climb being short and very steep, yes cleaning it was a chore.
    Yes we did because the Porsche was a 914.
    And I remember going the other way up that trail right?
    Also remember getting ready go in from the "North" side of the park and seeing Neil Young often drive by, with one of his vintage cars, on his way out of the farm, give us the nod, and would say have fun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GoGoGordo View Post
    Yes we did because the Porsche was a 914.
    And I remember going the other way up that trail right?
    Also remember getting ready go in from the "North" side of the park and seeing Neil Young often drive by, with one of his vintage cars, on his way out of the farm, give us the nod, and would say have fun.
    Way cool!
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    Yes, Salamander trail was steep and rutty at the top and the section after the little foot bridge had a log drop, broke the internals on an old rock shox on that thing. The drop would be nothing on todays bikes.

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    While we have some Skeggs "old-timers" here, who remembers the time when that land was used by motocross bikers and what can anyone tell us about the back story of that one?
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    I rode motos there starting around 1979 it was called the PITS Property back then. We would "patrol" all the trails, it was big fun while it lasted but like so many places I rode in my younger days they are all gone now. I enjoy riding my MTB there I'm glad its not closed like so many other places. Enjoy it while you can NOTHING lasts forever!

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    Quote Originally Posted by biggooner View Post
    I rode motos there starting around 1979 it was called the PITS Property back then. We would "patrol" all the trails, it was big fun while it lasted but like so many places I rode in my younger days they are all gone now.
    Interesting. Thanks. And do you know what "PITS" stands for?

    By the way, I was given the impression that the motocross days were back when it was still private property. Any idea what the exact arrangement was back then?
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    Grew up on skyline and rode Pits and Purissima heavy for a few years, 77-80 on my CR250. Pits was crazy radical back then when Alan Hoskins was logging his land, not groomed like now. Pretty much anything went back then as it was basically a private riding park, but of course could not be a motorcycle park in the eyes of San Mateo County, hence the riders that paid Hoskins to "patrol" his property, that was one of Hoskin's scams...Of course being local, we didn't pay (my one friend worked off and on for Hoskins and sometimes also scored coke for him so we were golden). Sometimes some of the PITS members would actually get serious about chasing us out, lol.......like they were really patrolling???........At that time San Mateo County Sheriff Dept didn't have any offroad bikes and their helicopter wasn't very effective in chasing us out of the canyons. It really was pretty out of control and being 17 / 18 with smoking bikes, thousands of acres of trails to ourselves made for great times, especially in the winter in the mud. But like all good things, it came to and end and those days are LONG gone........Hoskins died last year.........Don't know for sure why it was called PITS (I always thought it was call that as Hoskin would sometimes refer to the western part of his property as a "pit" (or blah blah "down in the pit"). I do sometimes ride there now, and it is truly such beautiful property , but......

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    PITS = Pacific International Trials Society. It was the Bay Area Chapter of the Trials club who "leased" the property from Hoskins. The Sacramento PITS club is still active putting on Trials Bike events in NorCal. Back in the 70's the members had a golden opportunity to buy the property from Hoskins but blew it squabbling over $$$$. I learned to ride at places like Purissuma Canyon, Bear Gulch, Alpine Rd & the PITS property so its pretty cool to return to the trails of my youth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TahoeBC View Post
    Close by there was another alternative. the Ariel tree, had to walk across a huge redwood tree across the creek, pretty darn high, a fall would not have been fun!

    Remember this
    Someone actually has a picture of the old 914. Awesome!

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    my dad rode there in the early 70s. had friends that lived at the top of Swett road. i think the dad had something to do with the fire dept. he had a honda scrambler 305, then moved on to the yamaha enduro bikes. that was a day or two ago. around 98 or so when i had been riding there for close to ten years, i found out that the guy who had made the original map was one of the guys my dad had ridden with. small world. good times. place still rocks. just kicks my ass way more than it used to.
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    I love the stories. Many thanks!

    Quote Originally Posted by DCTILLER View Post
    that was a day or two ago. around 98 or so when i had been riding there for close to ten years, i found out that the guy who had made the original map was one of the guys my dad had ridden with.
    That's interesting. Is there an "original" map of those trails? Does anyone still have a copy, and would it be too much to ask to post it here?
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    Here is the old Fractal Boy map. I had a copy of this at one point I had marked up with all the trails not on this. In it's golden days there really was no better place to ride in the bay area.
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    A long time ago, I rode with Fractalboy and Finlayson (who built this website MTB.LIVE555.COM - "The Internet's Mountain Bike Park").

    It was a few months after I built mtbr and we all wanted to connect. We rode like programmers

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    Quote Originally Posted by TahoeBC View Post
    Here is the old Fractal Boy map.
    Much appreciated!
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    Trials bikes...

    My dad got out there a couple of times on his motorcycle while PITS had the lease; I remember you had to be a PITS member or have an invitation to ride there. I will always regret not joining him on one of his rides there---he dissuaded me in going because he didn't think the "trials" style trails would interest me much. Motocross bikes were in the early stages of invention, most of us then rode what might be called "enduro" bikes today. Motorcycle "trials bikes" were then and still are very specialized machines. It's interesting that mountain bike development parallels that of dirt moto's.

    Going back even further, here's a pix of my dad riding his Harley at a hillclimb event elsewhere off Skyline Blvd in San Mateo County sometime in 1946---does anybody know where these events were held? I never bothered asking him exactly where this was before he passed away (in 2007 at the age of 90!):
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    A couple of more action shots; events at a ranch in the Almaden Valley and somewhere near Richmond; I'm not sure which are which:
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    Sweet memories! Started riding there in '91. Saw Neil Young drive by on Star Hill road a few times, sometimes him in that cream colored Merc, sometimes the tour bus. Was serenaded by him one time; his band was practicing while I was riding off Virginia Mill. Some guys were afraid to cross the Aerial Tree & preferred to shimmy down on their butts next to the tree. Rode thru the 914 many times. Loved all the old trails we could still ride before the closures began in the mid '90s. Tho not a PITS member I rode there on mt bikes with many of them, learned about trails that I hadn't found on my own. Tho much different these days, still one of the best places to ride on the planet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TahoeBC View Post
    Close by there was another alternative. the Ariel tree, had to walk across a huge redwood tree across the creek, pretty darn high, a fall would not have been fun!

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    OMG! Isn't that the 914? I did Skeggs around 1990, and I think even in the 80's. I've been trying to piece together my memories, and I swore I was imagining I saw a 914. Now I know it was real.
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    What Once Was Is No Longer

    But a few memories may still exist.

    Nose Break, Torco, Three Rags, Drano, Skidrow, 914, Heavens Gate, Library, Parachute, Devil's Staircase, Totem, Garbage, Camero, Private Property, Boiler, Rick's Downfall, Wasabi, Jersey Shred, Pipeline, Singallee (Sp?), Hippie, Fenceline, Thunderdome, Aerial Tree, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by biggooner View Post
    PITS = Pacific International Trials Society. It was the Bay Area Chapter of the Trials club who "leased" the property from Hoskins. The Sacramento PITS club is still active putting on Trials Bike events in NorCal. Back in the 70's the members had a golden opportunity to buy the property from Hoskins but blew it squabbling over $$$$. I learned to ride at places like Purissuma Canyon, Bear Gulch, Alpine Rd & the PITS property so its pretty cool to return to the trails of my youth.
    I never knew that PITS was part of a larger organization, just though of it being some sort of local group of riders. Never knew that they were trying to purchase the property from Hoskins, thanks for the info...filling in a few pieces of ancient history.......Actually at the time don't remember even wondering or thinking about who or what PITS was ,we pretty much avoided them and their hassling, we were just out there young and stupid and cranking it. Never rode Bear Gulch, a few times top part of Huddard park, but even then that was a bust....Hill climb at Alpine, few times and haven't even thought about that for years.....Also rode a few times into Butano Canyon and Gazos Creek but PITS and Purissuma were closest to home and rode there the most and have the best memories from there, like you said, great places to learn to ride.........Looking back I can hardly believe how fortunate we were to grow up having that available to us...it was pure fun and maybe a bit illegal, but we never even got in any kind of trouble at all.........amazing.........

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    Wow...It's like a history class for me

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    This is very cool info about the history of Skegg's i remember nosebreak way back in the day but not all those other trails. gives you something to think/chat about next time your suffering up a climb.

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    Francois, I fondly remember that ride. Good times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by traildoc View Post
    But a few memories may still exist.

    Nose Break, Torco, Three Rags, Drano, Skidrow, 914, Heavens Gate, Library, Parachute, Devil's Staircase, Totem, Garbage, Camero, Private Property, Boiler, Rick's Downfall, Wasabi, Jersey Shred, Pipeline, Singallee (Sp?), Hippie, Fenceline, Thunderdome, Aerial Tree, etc.
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    But you do have the Skeggs history down pat.
    I remember all those trails.
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    Quote Originally Posted by francois View Post
    Someone actually has a picture of the old 914. Awesome!

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    Well I can't take credit for the Photo, back then I never rode with a camera. It probably came off Fractal Boy's sight or MTB Live I can't remember.

    Hey Fractal Boy, it would be cool if you could post up the full size version of your old map!

    All the Neil Young sightings were cool. my buddy used to live on a property that you had to access though his gate I guess there was some kind of easement though his property. Every once in awhile he could be heard playing. By buddy was convinced the Harvest Moon cover was shot near by, he would walk around trying to find the location.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TahoeBC View Post
    Well I can't take credit for the Photo, back then I never rode with a camera. It probably came off Fractal Boy's sight or MTB Live I can't remember.

    Hey Fractal Boy, it would be cool if you could post up the full size version of your old map!

    All the Neil Young sightings were cool. By buddy used to live on a property that you had to access though his gate I guess there was some kind of easement though his property. Every once in awhile he could be heard playing. By buddy was convinced the Harvest Moon cover was shot near by, he would walk around trying to find the location.

    Back in '72 I had a friend who used to go up to the barn where Neil Young and band would practice, and sit outside listening.

    I'm still trying to find a replacement for those days. Does anyone have a time machine I could borrow?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gregg K View Post
    Does anyone have a time machine I could borrow?
    Maybe this should be the theme song of this thread

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    some interesting, be it sad reading

    From Keep El Corte de Madera wild!


    Retrospective

    In hindsight, it was inevitable that El Corte de Madera Creek Open Space Preserve would change. This land had once been logged extensively, leaving numerous road cuts that would later form trails. Prior to being acquired in the mid 1980s by the Midpeninsula Regional Open Space District (MROSD) the land was used by a local off-road motorcycle club ("PITS"), which formed an extensive network of trails. Many of these trails were later used by mountain bikers.
    At first, the MROSD treated this preserve with "benign neglect", allowing the numerous singletrack trails in this beautiful area to remain wild. Several of these trails included fallen trees and steep, technically challenging descents. As a result, El Corte de Madera became one of the most popular mountain biking areas on the San Francisco Peninsula.

    However in 1996 the MROSD, over the objections of most of the local mountain biking community, adopted (and began implementing) a comprehensive new trail plan. Several singletrack trails have already been closed. Several more will be realigned and/or 'sanitized' in various ways: to widen them, remove obstacles, and reduce their steepness. Some new trails will also be built - in particular, to replace the "Pipeline" trail (which runs through private property at the northwest corner of the park).

    The MROSD's plan alters El Corte de Madera's trail system to conform to the same width (4 ft. minimum) and steepness (25% maximum) guidelines that are in effect at its other open space preserves. This is illustrated by the "Manzanita" (aka. "Chinquapin") trail - a realignment of the original "Manzanita trail" - near the center of the park. This demonstration trail is scenic, with some spectacular views, but the (realigned) upper portion of the trail is smooth and wide - reminscent of Saratoga Gap.

    Before drafting their plan, the MROSD put together a task force that - to their credit - included representatives from ROMP (the local mountain bike advocacy group). Not all of the final plan was unfavorable to mountain bikers. As a result of input from ROMP, the MROSD agreed to let mountain bikers build the new "Leaf Extension" trail (in the western end of the preserve) by hand, without the use of 'sanitizing' trail machines. This trail will also be built to a width of 3 feet: 1 foot less than the MROSD's usual standard for 'multi-use' trails. (The existing "Leaf" trail will also be preserved at the same width.)

    Current trail status (as of 2008.12.01)

    Autumn 1997

    The new bypass around "Faceplant" and the lower section of "914" has been completed, and is already open to bikes. The old "Faceplant" is now closed. (In fact, it's been completely obliterated.)
    The MROSD's alternative to the "Parallel" trail - called the "Sierra Morena" trail - has been completed, and is currently open to hikers. (Like most newly cut trails, it is closed to bikes and horses for the first winter.)
    These (and other) activities are summarized in the MROSD's trail construction report.
    Summer 1997

    The MROSD built their new version of the "Parallel" trail in September. This trail, although described as a "realignment" of the existing trail, actually reuses very little of the existing trail. It also crosses behind the knoll near gate 2, thereby crossing both "Devil's Staircase" and "Nose Break". Patty Ciesla proposed an alternative alignment for this section of trail, that would remain in front of the knoll, but this was rejected by the MROSD.
    Peter Donohue reports that the eastern side of the "Lower Crossing" (aka. the "Virginia Mill" or "Sammy Miller" trails) has now been bulldozed. (The western side was bulldozed last year.)
    The MROSD reports that they've begun constructing their bypass around "Faceplant" and the lower section of "914".
    Sometime around July 1st the MROSD took a small 'trail dozer' down the first half of Gary's Shortcut, and bulldozed several sections of it. The blading stopped shortly before reaching that knoll that begins the steep section (which the MROSD plans at some future date to bypass).
    The blading included the two 'problem areas' on this half of the trail: (i) the minor erosion that was present near the start of the trail (i.e., near the Lawrence Creek junction), and (ii) a section of the trail that was in some danger of disappearing down the side of a cliff. Fortunately the bulldozer operator lifted the blade in several places, and overall the blading is not as bad as the blading of Donner Pass (where the trail was actually rerouted in several places). But once again, several sections of the trail have been turned into a wide, smooth expressway :-(

    What's most infuriating about this is that - once again - the MROSD staff didn't warn us that they were about to do this, let alone try to figure out how volunteer hand labor might be used instead of blading. (The two problem areas could probably have been fixed in a single evening of trailwork.)

    The MROSD knew full well how much cyclists valued this trail in its unbladed state. At the last board meeting we made it very clear to them how we felt about Donner Pass being bladed by surprise. That they've now gone ahead and done the same thing to Gary's Shortcut can only be interpreted as deliberate provocation!

    Spring 1997

    MROSD staff have removed the dead Porsche from the "914" trail
    "Donner Pass" trail has been bladed. All of the technical sections of this trail have now been either smoothed out, or bypassed. Sadly, this 'sanitizing' has ruined one of ECdM's most beautiful trails, not to mention inviting excessive speed by less-experienced riders.
    Berry Stevens reports that he's persuaded the MROSD to reopen the lowermost section to our use temporarily, probably until the Faceplant/lower 914 diversion has been completed. In any event, this trail will be closed permanently to bikes (& horses :-) sometime this summer.
    The new "Resolution" and "El Corte de Madera" (i.e., "Pipeline bypass") trails have been reopened. Two existing trails nearby - "Deer Antler" and "Carnage" - have now been closed.
    "Dave's Wet Dream" (the right-hand trail leading down from the "Big Tree" clearing) has now been closed.
    Winter 1996-1997

    The top of "Faceplant" has been fenced off. (The bypass to the right remains open, however.) Sometime this summer, "Faceplant" will be closed completely. In its place, a bypass will be built a little further north across the creek. (This will also reroute around the steep lower section of "914".)
    The "914" trail has been hit hard by the winter storms. Small slides have come down in places, and there is concern about a couple of areas (above the Porsche) where the hillside is threatening to slip away, taking the trail with it. The MROSD is planning - perhaps sometime this winter - to bring a blade down to widen these areas. This is unfortunate, but this is one case where blading really does seem necessary.
    It's not clear how far down this blading will go, and in particular, whether it will affect the Porsche. Unfortunately the MROSD favors removing the Porsche - the trail's defining landmark - sometime in the future.

    Pipeline remains open (although it's muddy in the usual places). In the Spring, following the reopening of the new bypass trail (the "El Corte de Madera Creek Trail"), the section through private property will be closed permanently, and the lower, 'technical' section (between the new bypass trail and the bottom of 914/Faceplant) will be made hiking-only.
    The "Virginia Mill" (aka. "Lower Crossing" or "Sammy Miller") trail and the "Lawrence Creek" fireroad are currently closed due to muddy conditions (& perhaps one or more landslides - I'm not sure). "Gary's Shortcut" is also closed (because it exits onto the Lawrence Creek fireroad).
    Autumn 1996

    The new trail that will replace "Pipeline" has been completed. This trail - sections "A1" through "A4" on the MROSD's trail plan, and now known as the "El Corte de Madera Creek Trail" - starts from the upper section of the current "Pipeline" trail, winds around the hill that contains the "Sandstone Formation", re-crosses El Corte de Madera creek below the Vista Point, heads back along a central section of the current "Pipeline" trail, then heads uphill to gate CM07.
    Unfortunately most of this new trail, with the exception of a section ("A3") near the Sandstone Formation, is quite flat, and, although quite pretty, is not the least bit challenging.

    The new trail "A5" that runs below the Vista Point (near the plane crash site) has been completed. and partially cut. Because of the terrain in this area, this trail - unlike the rather wimpy "A1"-"A4" trails that bypass "Pipeline" - is quite windy and 'funky'. The official name of this trail is the "Resolution Trail". ("Resolution" was the name of the aircraft that crashed here in October, 1953.)
    Both new trails ("El Corte de Madera Creek" and "Resolution") were 'opened' in an official ceremony, before being closed for the remainder of the wet season to protect the newly-built tread.

    Volunteers have begun working with MROSD staff to build the new "Leaf Extension" trail. This trail will start near gate CM07 (branching off the fire road) and run parallel to Star Hill Road, ending up intersecting the "914" trail near gate CM08. It will be built completely by hand - no evil trail machines allowed! Although the MROSD doesn't want any of this trail to exceed a 15% grade, they appear to be more flexible about its width - allowing it to be only 3' wide. In places the trail will wind narrowly through beautiful stands of redwoods.
    The construction of this trail is starting from the "914" end. (The start of the trail will be clearly visible on the right as you climb up "914".) Note, BTW, that the name "Leaf Extension" is somewhat of a misnomer. The trail currently being built does not join with the trail that most of us call "Leaf". In the future, however, depending on how well the MROSD likes our work on the initial trail, we may also get to build another trail from "914" through to the "Leaf Trail" proper.

    The western approach to the lower creek crossing (often called the "Sammy Miller Trail"; now officially known as the "Virginia Mill Trail") has been cleared by a large trail machine. It is sad that this work has obliterated one of the prettiest pieces of singletrack in the whole of ECdM, especially since the MROSD declined ROMP's offer to provide volunteer "hand work" on parts of this trail as a means of avoiding use of a trail machine. (See Todd McGee's message for more details.)
    At some point the MROSD may also build a small bridge across the creek. A final decision on this has not yet been made. To date, no work has been done on the eastern approach trail. Unfortunately, however, MROSD staff has made it clear that sometime in 1997, this trail will also be bladed and widened significantly (even more than was done on the western side), so that heavy equipment can be brought down for work near the creek.

    The log jump on the "Donner Pass" trail has been removed. This was prompted by a September 1996 accident in which someone broke an arm.
    Summer 1996

    All of the overhanging trees have been cleared from "the Low Road" (the singletrack trail that parallels the central section of the "Timberview" fire road). I was surprised and disappointed to see this done so soon, and without warning.
    I mailed a complaint to the MROSD about this. (Mike Fuhrer has presented another point of view. Here's my response to Mike's message, and another response from Akkana Peck.)

    A section of central "Pipeline" trail - between the junction of the dirt road from gate CM07 (the "unabomber cabin") and the trail down from the Vista Point - has been bulldozed. The MROSD warned us that they were going to do this. This work was apparently necessary in order to repair a culvert towards the bottom of the trail down from the Vista Point. (This section forms part of the MROSD's new trail "A4".) The VW Bug wreckage that used to lie along the creek here has been removed, crushed, and left by the side of the newly-bulldozed trail. It will presumably be removed in the future.
    This newly-bulldozed section of "Pipeline" is the only part of the trail (apart from the uppermost section) that will remain open. It forms part of the new "El Corte de Madera Creek" trail that runs from the upper section of the current "Pipeline" to gate CM07.

    The road down from gate CM07 has also been cleared. (This is where the bulldozer was brought down.)

    The "Whoops" trail (in the eastern half of the park) has been fenced off and signposted ("Closed - not a trail") at each end.
    (Begin rant)
    !@#$%!@#! This beautiful trail is not the least bit eroded. It's only 'crime' is that it's narrow, its upper section (presumably) exceeds the MROSD's 25% maximum, and that it 'duplicates' the boring lower section of the "Pump House" fire road. Geez, let's close down San Francisco because it has some steep narrow streets, and 'duplicates' Los Angeles.
    (End rant)

    The trail to the "Aerial Tree" creek crossing has been blocked off. At one point the MROSD had also intended to cut down the tree itself. However, in response to comments by concerned members of the public (including Patty Ciesla), the MROSD has decided to leave the tree alone for now. They have made it clear, however, that they may still cut the tree down sometime in the future if they find people using the tree as a crossing, or using the (now-closed) approach trails.
    The trees that had previously fallen over the upper section of "Pipeline" (above the future connection to the bypass) have now been cleared. (The rest of "Pipeline", below the bypass, will be closed once the new bypass is opened to all users - probably in late autumn.)
    The "Cheap Sunglasses" (aka. "Another Dead Bug") trail in the southwest of the park has been closed. The top section of the trail has been plowed, and covered with cut branches.
    The singletrack 'braid' off the main "Boulevard" fire road (between gate CM01 and the "four corners" area) has been fenced off at each end.
    The original entrance to the trail that runs from gate CM03 down to the "Totem Road" has been reopened. The other entrances to this trail have been closed.
    How you can help

    Although the MROSD is now well in the process of implementing their trail plan, you may still write them a letter, letting them know (politely) how you feel about the future of El Corte de Madera Open Space Preserve. The address is:
    Board of Directors
    Midpeninsula Regional Open Space District
    330 Distel Circle
    Los Altos
    CA 94022

    Phone: (650)691-1200
    email: mrosd@openspace.org
    If you send email, add a note near the top of the message asking for it to be forwarded to the board.

    If you can, please vote for biker-friendly candidates for the MROSD's Board of Directors.
    For more information

    The MROSD's trail plan (which includes maps) can be picked up at the MROSD's office at 330 Distel Circle, Los Altos.
    Distel Circle is just off of El Camino Real in Los Altos, between San Antonio and Rengstorff. Driving south from San Antonio Road on El Camino, Distel Circle is a right-hand turn, next to a "Carls Jr.". (Distel Circle should not be confused with the adjacent Distel Drive, although the two streets do intersect.)

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    This thread is full of awesome.

    Looking at the old skeggs map... I am tempted to go there and see how many of the random road benches line up with stuff on the various old maps... and maybe find some of the other not a trails that are most likely still around in some form or another.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ElHombre View Post
    Wow! That page had completely escaped my attention. Many thanks for pointing it out!
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    Quote Originally Posted by TahoeBC View Post
    Well I can't take credit for the Photo, back then I never rode with a camera. It probably came off Fractal Boy's sight or MTB Live I can't remember.

    Hey Fractal Boy, it would be cool if you could post up the full size version of your old map!
    I am posting the highest resolution version of the map. Note that this version of the map has the official (at that time) MidPen map overlaid over a topo rendering. Because of this being the official map, there are no unsanctioned trails marked. So, really, it isn't much use for anything except memory jogging, since 1) the current trail state is not marked (you'd be better of using the current MidPen map) and 2) no unsanctioned trails are marked (you couldn't really use this to find those trails).

    Update: Trying to figure out the image upload process. Seems it's limited to 1024x1024 pixels.

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    Pipeline

    Here are a few old (1998) photos from Pipeline.

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    Thanks, love the "Closed not a trail" sign!!!

    Did not take long to learn that sign really meant "Killer Single Track Ahead"
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    Quote Originally Posted by palawanbob View Post
    I never knew that PITS was part of a larger organization, just though of it being some sort of local group of riders.
    I used to be a member of East Bay PITS, I was just a kid at the time. We rode what is now ECdM a few times back in the day. Only when they had trials competions there. I wish I would have spent more time there. My dad said he and his buddies used to ride their dirtbikes all over the peninsula/ santa cruz mts. back in the 60's & 70's. It's a travisty how restricted everything has become now.

    I rode ECdM, last weekend for the first time in a couple of years, it's sad how the trails have been destroyed by MROSD, there used to be lots of great trails there, now only a few are worth riding. The first time I rode there was with Fractalboy, I remember doing Pipeline in the rain, it was really cool. Makes me sad to think about those days actually.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nervid View Post
    Here are a few old (1998) photos from Pipeline.

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    First time I ever rode Pipeline was with some Brits in maybe 94/95. Can't remember their names (Stewart??), but they got married and had a couple kids. Later on they came up to Skegg's early on the weekends due to family obligations, and they use to love to get away once in awhile to ride Downieville. I think one of them had a pretty fancy Jeep.

    At one point someone came up with the idea to put in a bike route off Resolution through the plane crash down to Pipeline. There were a bunch of 3' diameter downed trees along the route which could have made great log rolls.

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    Great history lesson! I first rode Skeggs in the late 90's on a trip to the bay to visit family. I don't remember any names of trails but I do remember the whole area having a much different feel than it does now. It is very interesting to see the changes and the historical interactions with MidPen. It really is sad that so much change took place at Skeggs and that the volunteer labor of the local riders was not used more effictively. Unfortunately my experience with trails and management, whether it be Mid Pen, the Forest Service or BLM has been largely negative. Fixing "problems" that create more problems and ill will between management and riders seems to be standard operating procedure.

    What is really sad is after only a year living in this area I have become a mountain bike outlaw so I can ride the good stuff. I wish I could be happy riding legally but the quality and short duration of the legal trails has me bored rapidly.
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    A while back Finlayson posted this map with all the old trail names, although the trails are not actually depicted on it the names are in the general location. I did not even know the names of many of the trails or we called them something else in the circles I ran with. Some I did not know existed, I would go up there a couple times a week back in the day after work, just exploring for new trails there was more than one time I ended up peddling out after dark.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TahoeBC View Post
    A while back Finlayson posted this map with all the old trail names, although the trails are not actually depicted on it the names are in the general location.
    That map is a gold mine! Thanks for posting it.
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    Sup Fractalboy! Good to hear from you again.

    Finlayson is around here somewhere when he's not traveling the world taking photos.

    Anybody on this thread under 30 years old? i think not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by francois View Post
    Sup Fractalboy! Good to hear from you again.

    Finlayson is around here somewhere when he's not traveling the world taking photos.

    Anybody on this thread under 30 years old? i think not.

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    Yeah, Ross and I are in fairly regular contact still, although we haven't ridden together in a while. I am sure he's lurking here (I know he is at least aware of this thread). Now that his map has been posted, he might even speak up.

    (By the way, I got wind of your big mishap a few years ago and was silently sending good wishes.)

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    oh skeggs. i may have missed it's glory days, but that place has a very dear place in my heart after two years of living on Allen Road. The history, the trails, the place, epic.

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    One of my favourite rides around '93 or so was starting at CM02, and then one of the big fire-roads, don't know which, maybe Timberview, and there was a really quick, 2-3 foot wide singletrack off the side and it would take you through the middle of who knows what, crazy stuff, ended up with a super-crazy steep downhill for 50 or 70 feet and then runs back into one of the fireroads. Then maybe we did crosscut and all that? Not sure. Then there was another crazy singletrack that ended up behind "Old Growth Redwood". After the initial fire-road run that was very short, it was all singletrack, and crazy singletrack particularly in that era, until you got to the redwood.

    I can still find the end of the 50 or 70 foot extremely steep downhill ending from the fireroad, I look up and can see its remnants. I haven't, on the other hand, found the top - they obfuscated it really well. One of the best trails there...

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    Awesome thread! Love the pipeline pics and map.

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    Wow, fascinating thread! I started riding Skeggs in 2000 or so. Rode with a guy who showed me some good trails. Not sure if all were legal but there were definitely some very gnarly ones in there - very steep, technical, or both.

    As the years went by my riding was more intermittent at Skeggs and some of the trails I had gotten used to started to disappear (probably too steep).

    I still enjoy riding there but most of it is, well, not that exciting. Either the challenging trails have been shut down or perhaps I'm a more skilled rider these days. The only thing challenging about Skeggs these days is trying to avoid dying of boredom on the climbs.

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