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    Sierra Tahoe 100

    Just looked at the website, is this new??


    Please help us support MTB riding on an already multi-use trail system. The TS100 looks like it may be canceled this week do to the problems with the Tevis Cup Board. This has been a on going battle with the Tevis Cup Endurance Horse Event over the last 6 years. The trail system is 100% multi use from Lyon Ridge to Foresthill, Ca.


    Sounds like the 100 miler is to be Cancelled . That would suck its such a great race.

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    Sierra Tahoe 100

    That little update just went up a day or so ago.

    I am signed up for the 100. Was looking forward to it again as it's one of my favorites.

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    Jimmy's page is down right now. I can't get on it at all.

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    Hopefully we will have a decision either way when its back up

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    I want to know how to sue the Tevis Cup Board.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 209er View Post
    I want to know how to sue the Tevis Cup Board.
    I don't understand how 1 arbitrary group controls public dirt...

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    Sierra Tahoe 100

    Lots of people on this Tevis Cup board



    http://www.teviscup.org/about-us/the...and-committees

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    Quote Originally Posted by 209er View Post
    I want to know how to sue the Tevis Cup Board.
    Easy there.
    Lets get our facts straight and find out what's going on before we jump to conclusions here.
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    It's a sad day

    Email just went out:

    "Due to the ongoing, anti-bike efforts of the Tevis group (equestrians), we regret to inform you that the 2013 Tahoe-Sierra 100 has been cancelled. Back in early June, GBE, Inc. was told the permit for the Tahoe National Forest portion of the race would be issued, as we adequately addressed safety concerns raised by the Western States Safe Trail Alliance (WSSTA) with the USFS. As of today GBE, Inc. still does not have the USFS permit in-hand. The WSSTA, formed by as small group of Tevis Board/committee members, Bob and Judy Suter, as well as by Jaede Milsoslavich of Park Watch Report, appears to have been created to rid the historically multi-use Western States Trail of motorcycles and mountain bikes, and they continue to try and find ways to impact or stop our event. They continue to claim that there are safety issues with the TS100. In six years, we have never had a safety issue. At this point in time, GBE Inc. has decided to pull the event and regroup for 2014. We are still planning to hold the 28 mile race from Foresthill to Auburn, as that is under our Auburn State Recreation Area permit. All 100 mile racers will receive a 100% refund. Refunds will be mailed out in the weeks to come. We are very sorry for the inconvenience.

    Thank you,

    GBE, Inc."


    Note that this is not a USFS thing. They support the event and weren't going to hold back the permit. The faction of equestrians (a group that many equestrians don't approve of) succeeded in creating enough hurdles for Jim and the USFS to deal with, which affected many things... including registration.

    While I'm pissed off beyond belief, this will only serve as motiviation to get future TS100's the same treatment as the Western States 100 and the Tevis Cup. And if TS100 is going to be held to a higher standard of safety, then those other events will need to as well. Last I checked, no athlete has died during a TS100. Game on.

    If you registered for the 100, you can still do the shorter Foresthill to Auburn race, and I'm sure Jim would appreciate your business, as he's already out a good deal of money from cancelling the 100. It'll be a fun course to hit with fresh legs. A discount code should be available/active soon.

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    Terrible news.

    This means war. There should never be another Tevis Cup that goes unchallenged. The equestrians are throwing stones from their glass house.


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    Ridiculous.

    http://www.teviscup.org/about-us/the...and-committees

    Their board meetings are held quarterly in Auburn--and are open to the public (which includes us).

    And Tevis appears to have plenty of their own safety issues. Turnabout is fair play.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brewtality View Post
    The equestrians are throwing stones from their glass house.
    I couldn't agree more. They have everything to lose. The many, many reasonable, rational and friendly equestrians need to reel these cowboys and cowgirls in before it really gets ugly.

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    Sucks...sorry to hear that, guys. I passed the 2 GBE vehicles on the way down 80 on Sun, and I was wondering the status of this event. So frustrating.

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    Those few anti bikes idiots are really not bright. Usually, this ends with everybody losing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Empty_Beer View Post
    I couldn't agree more. They have everything to lose. The many, many reasonable, rational and friendly equestrians need to reel these cowboys and cowgirls in before it really gets ugly.
    Well. Lets get on it. I'm 100% in to bring the the pain.

    Lets go to war. No mercy. No prisoners. Lets go big and stamp them out of existence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Davey Simon View Post
    Well. Lets get on it. I'm 100% in to bring the the pain.

    Lets go to war. No mercy. No prisoners. Lets go big and stamp them out of existence.

    Remember we have nothing to lose!

    ^^ This man speaks the truth!!! We get steamrolled and bad mouthed all over the place, a race getting kicked of multiuse trails is a real low, really seems like they don't want to share the trails at all? Mtbers bend over backwards to make up for the irresponsible few who give us a bad name, why can't equestrians do the same? Instead, they just wait for the trails to be only for them and their poo machines that cause more trail damage than bikes.

    I'm starting to believe more and more that separate but equal trails is the only way to go....sad we all can't just get along like most other places in the country/world when it comes to trail access....

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    Quote Originally Posted by IrieRider View Post
    ^^ This man speaks the truth!!! We get steamrolled and bad mouthed all over the place, a race getting kicked of multiuse trails is a real low, really seems like they don't want to share the trails at all? Mtbers bend over backwards to make up for the irresponsible few who give us a bad name, why can't equestrians do the same? Instead, they just wait for the trails to be only for them and their poo machines that cause more trail damage than bikes.

    I'm starting to believe more and more that separate but equal trails is the only way to go....sad we all can't just get along like most other places in the country/world when it comes to trail access....
    We need to push back hard right now. This way when the dust settles and land managers create bike / horse / dog walker / hike trails we will get a decent piece of the pie.

    With all the conflict being created by less than 5% of trail users surely land mangers will choose to create user specific trails. Multi use is dead thanks to the equestrian brigade. We should be on the warpath. Exposing lies and half truths. Exposing illegal cosy nonprofit exclusive use of public space all the while actively being engaged in politics. There is literally nothing for us to lose and everything for the equestrians to lose. They started this and we should end it.

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    Agreed.

    So pissed off.

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    I have been training like a race horse all year just to finish the TS100 and now the rug gets pulled from underneath us. I agree - Game on. Let's stop the Tevis Cup. Revenge will be sweet and deserved by those bastards. When we stop seeing red, let's remind ourselves to keep our eyes on the prize and the vision that there will be an enduring Western States 100 for mountain bikes not just for ourselves but for others that follow us. That vision is what has been and will keep motivating me.

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    For anyone interested, some of their board and members are riders in the Tahoe rim ride coming up on the 10th. You can compare the two lists on their respective websites. Maybe it would be a good time to plan a critical mass type event and show our power. With the single track segments, it would be rather easy to impact their ride.

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    The Achilles heel of the equestrians is trail-erosion. Horses are just plain hard on trails. We need to put together a team to document trail erosion during horse events. That plus the animal welfare people will be what it takes to get their permits pulled.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 209er View Post
    I have been training like a race horse all year just to finish the TS100 and now the rug gets pulled from underneath us.
    I feel really bad for everybody that was signed up and prepping for this race.
    When I did it in 2010, I worked my ass off for months to get ready. Total lifestyle change. To not get to do the race would have crushed me.
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    @Overthehillthruthewoods: Bingo! Time for little civil disobedience!

    (not that we can't ride those trails legally)
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    wow. Although I wantedbutcouldnt compete this year, I had friends that literally trained ALL year and part of LAST year for this to be their peak event.

    Heart goes out to everyone that worked their ass off on the bike hoping to race this.

    I can't imagine how Jim is coping with this. Sucks!

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    Pretty messed up !! One of the most challenging fun races for sure. Hopefully next year we will have the race back. Now what do do instead ?? Maybe a loop around lake Tahoe Is that even possible ??

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    Pissed doesn't begin to cover how I feel about the TS 100 cancellation this year. As a veteran of the race I understand all those out there who have trained months in preparation for this, their "A" race of 2013....feel for all of you.

    I've been stewing about how best to handle this situation. One problem stems from the fact the MTB community is disjointed and not very well organized. I understand that and really all we want to do is simply go out and ride and/or race in peace. Most of us follow the rules and try to self police those who don't. That said, the last thing I believe we should do is simply let this pass without the opportunity to have our side heard at various levels and through various means.

    Auburn bills itself as "The Endurance Capitol of the World." That slogan is not only a sense of local pride but an economic generator. With the cancellation of the TS-100, how many hotel rooms, campsites, meals, gas fill-ups, grocery store visits cancel along with the race? Although the Auburn Journal does not have a wide reach the local politicians read it and I intend to contact them this morning to press for a story about this....about the fringe horse element that led to this injustice. I also intend to email various local politicians and expose the unfairness and economic impact of all of this.

    Lastly, I don't condone critical mass blockages of horse events as it will simply make us look bad in the end although I'm not opposed to showing up with signs to the next Tevis board meeting, or conducting an informational picket at horse events, show up at their event permit hearings...embarrass the fringe ba$tards...call them out....run them out of town so to speak. I also wonder what the Humane Society thinks of Tevis....it is hard on the animals, some die...hmmmmm

    The gloves need to come off but in a diplomatic, non-emotional, professional but well represented way. Who else wants to call local media, the Placer County/Auburn political establishment, land managers, etc????? It may take a lot of us to turn this but we can't let this opportunity pass!

    Thanks, Tom Strause

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    @Overthehillthruthewoods & dirtvert:

    During a recent Ultra on the TRT, there were several reported MB/Runner collisions in the same section of trail you want to plan a demonstration. A demonstration at this event where unpredictable animals are involved might end up spooking a horse and could result in injured animals and riders of both bikes and horses.

    Collisions or injuries resulting from a demonstration would hamper the ultimate goal.

    TAMBA has worked hard to gain additional access to TRT trails for MB'rs and has a pending proposal to open up several more miles on the TRT to bikes. A demonstration as you mention would surely place the proposal in jeopardy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BikeTheRim View Post
    @Overthehillthruthewoods & dirtvert:

    During a recent Ultra on the TRT, there were several reported MB/Runner collisions in the same section of trail you want to plan a demonstration. A demonstration at this event where unpredictable animals are involved might end up spooking a horse and could result in injured animals and riders of both bikes and horses.

    Collisions or injuries resulting from a demonstration would hamper the ultimate goal.

    TAMBA has worked hard to gain additional access to TRT trails for MB'rs and has a pending proposal to open up several more miles on the TRT to bikes. A demonstration as you mention would surely place the proposal in jeopardy.
    What he (or she) said.....messing with the TRT event would not be an effective way to go about things IMO.

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    Awesome post MTBNE1. [Check your PM box for a message from me. ]

    You are right of course. I've been saying for years now that the MTB community needs to start twisting the arm of the Auburn political system to get the SRA management in line with better bike access.

    I spent some time in Bend this summer. Bend, like Auburn has a large riding area right at the edge of town. The trail density per acre is probably 5 times what we have in the SRA. The trails are well maintained, with lots of variety, some features, good markings and there's something for everyone. There are lots of people up there riding and having fun. As a result Bend has full hotels, a vibrant downtown district with bars, restaurants, brew pubs, and all sorts of tourist stores open and thriving (and staying open past 6pm). Its super cool to sit having dinner at a sidewalk restaurant on a warm summer evening, in with a full bike rack at the curb, and see a husband and wife pedaling to dinner on a restored Schwinn tandem with kids following on their own bikes.

    Auburn could be Bend. All the vacant commercial space in town could be filled. We could have more than 1 decent motel. Restaurants could be open and full late into the evening and the stores next to the restaurant could be open for after dinner shopping. Entry level jobs would sit vacant for lack of applicants, business opportunities for entrepreneurs would abound. Tax revenue could flow with out of town dollars.

    All that has to happen is for it to become a priority for our local leadership.

    Letting the TS-100 die is a step in the WRONG direction. Catering to a handful of old men nursing a Marlboro Man fantasy, and few women who have found a vibrator they can use in public and don't have to hide from their Minister is getting this city nowhere.



    Quote Originally Posted by mtbne1 View Post
    Pissed doesn't begin to cover how I feel about the TS 100 cancellation this year. As a veteran of the race I understand all those out there who have trained months in preparation for this, their "A" race of 2013....feel for all of you.

    I've been stewing about how best to handle this situation. One problem stems from the fact the MTB community is disjointed and not very well organized. I understand that and really all we want to do is simply go out and ride and/or race in peace. Most of us follow the rules and try to self police those who don't. That said, the last thing I believe we should do is simply let this pass without the opportunity to have our side heard at various levels and through various means.

    Auburn bills itself as "The Endurance Capitol of the World." That slogan is not only a sense of local pride but an economic generator. With the cancellation of the TS-100, how many hotel rooms, campsites, meals, gas fill-ups, grocery store visits cancel along with the race? Although the Auburn Journal does not have a wide reach the local politicians read it and I intend to contact them this morning to press for a story about this....about the fringe horse element that led to this injustice. I also intend to email various local politicians and expose the unfairness and economic impact of all of this.

    Lastly, I don't condone critical mass blockages of horse events as it will simply make us look bad in the end although I'm not opposed to showing up with signs to the next Tevis board meeting, or conducting an informational picket at horse events, show up at their event permit hearings...embarrass the fringe ba$tards...call them out....run them out of town so to speak. I also wonder what the Humane Society thinks of Tevis....it is hard on the animals, some die...hmmmmm

    The gloves need to come off but in a diplomatic, non-emotional, professional but well represented way. Who else wants to call local media, the Placer County/Auburn political establishment, land managers, etc????? It may take a lot of us to turn this but we can't let this opportunity pass!

    Thanks, Tom Strause

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    I was signed up for the Tahoe 100 and have been training since November for this ride so I am obviously unhappy with the ride being cancelled. I've done the Western Run, the Tevis 100 ride and was looking forward to this. I am also a previous member of the board of goveners of Tevis.

    Two things to consider before you make any decisions or comments:

    Both the Tevis Ride and the Western States run took no position about the Tahoe Sierra ride. The TS100 ride is unable to provide any correspondence form the Tevis organization opposing this ride. There may be members of Tevis as individuals who opposed the ride but Tevis did not. The post by the TS100 was inaccurate and is a diservice to the entire endurance community.
    My understanding is that this was a decision based on economics. The TS100 is a profit making enterprise and this ride did not have enough registrations to be profitable.
    I would encourage you not to take my word for this but do research. Find any correspondence from the Tevis organization opposing this ride and post it if you can. Ask Jim how many registrants he had on this ride and do your own basic math to see if there was any way to make a profit.
    The endurance community has to stick together. There are groups opposing all organized events and there are members of each of the endurance communities for whatever reason fight the others. We stick together as a family or our trails will be taken away.
    My favorite solution for technical trails is same trails, different days. This prevents conflict, allows all members of the various endurance communities to enjoy our amazing trail system and allows the entire endurance community to put their energies where they belong, in the care, maintenance, creation and enjoymnet of our trails systems.
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    I think we should hit 2014 Tevis with data. There have been many many many horse related accidents on the trail and the events through the years. Notice how well the accidents are covered up and removed.
    If they closed TS100 via concerns over safety, then it cannot be refuted that their safety record is much much worse on the WS trail.

    The last year of Tevis.

    I'll start:
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    Thanks, Mark and you bring up a good point in doing the necessary research to understand why this iteration of the TS 100 decision occurred. The prior permit fiasco of months past apparently had some element of the horse community as a root cause but as you point out that may not be 100% accurate this time. I'd like to hear from Northey and will reach out to him separately......

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    Totally agree as well. Demonstrations that interfere with events will greatly undermine our cause.....

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    If you can find evidence of Tevis opposing the ride please post it. There are members of the equestrian community that did oppose the ride, Tevis did not. I would encourage all members of this forum to confirm any opposition prior to making any inflamatory comments.
    We are all part of the endurance family, we can destroy each other but that doesn't help us in keeping and utiliziing our trails.

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    This one thread is a great great read. I urge you all to spend the time and investigate further, both sides.

    Accident at Tevis '09? [Archive] - Chronicle Forums

    I archived it just in case it disappears.

    Also, I'll pursue the more recent data from AERC and horse deaths during endurance rides.

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    When you have to focus all your time on defending and trying to get a permit instead of promoting an event, add to that the uncertainty if the race will occur among participant’s, yes economics come into play. And yes a small group of Equestrians “Western States Safe Trail Alliance“ are behind the effort to shut this race down and shut down the Western States to bikes all together.

    Does the Tevis Cup board support the efforts of the “Western States Safe Trail Alliance “ ?
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    sharing from email: Tahoe Sierra 100 Extreme Mountain Bike Race will NOT be held on the Western States (Tevis) Trail.

    >> The MB forums and promoter of the Tahoe Sierra 100 Extreme Mountain Bike Race has misstated what is really happening here. I do not pretend to understand the motivation...
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    > Probably to get their friends worried enough to complain.
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    >> The good news is that the mt. bike race is not going to take place on the historic Western States (Tevis) Trail, where the promoter wanted to have it, BUT the permit has not been denied.
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    >> The Western States Safe Trail Alliance, equestrians and representatives from our local Audubon Society and the Sierra Club, met with the Forest Service and Auburn State Recreation Area to request they re-route this race off the Western States Trail, the historic path of the 100 mile one day Tevis Cup endurance ride and the Western States Run. The WSSTA stated and proved ongoing safety and erosion issues.
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    >> After these meetings, the administrations of these government entities agreed with the Alliance that the mt. bike race should not be held on the WST asked the promoter of the race to re-route it off the WST.
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    >> That decision was confirmed with the Forest Service and State Parks.
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    >> The Forest Service did not deny the race permit, nor did the Western States Safe Trails Alliance ask for denial of permit. A re-route was requested.
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    >> The Western States Safe Trail Alliance is mainly concerned with the Western States Trail. Not all trails...that one trail...hence its name. The WSSTA is asking the Forest Service to designate the Western States Trail hiker horse only. Currently, the WST is off limits to wheeled vehicles for several miles on federal and private land at the start by Squaw Valley, then through the Granite Chief Wilderness. It is limited to hiker horse again at the end through the Auburn State Recreation Area. What the Alliance is requesting is that the Forest Service also limit their center section and ban mt. bikes and motorbikes there.
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    >> The Western States Trail is famously dangerous with the trail only 8 inches wide at its most narrow, and drop offs 500 feet and more.
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    > It makes no sense to "race" on a trail tha narrow, on a bike, horse, or on foot! You can't pass anyone!
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    >> It has been used for over 150 years by hikers and horses with few problems, and by the Native Americans even before that. But, with the addition of mt. bikes, these limitations became real safety issues. Last year during the Tahoe Sierra 100 Extreme Mountain Bike Race, an equestrian on the trail was injured and will be in a wheelchair for the rest of her life. In the same area, but not during the race, two other equestrians were left in walkers for months. Last week a hiker was run into by a mt. biker and ended up in the ER. These injuries are not caused by inexperienced or ignorant hikers or horses, but mt. bikers and uncontrolled speed on narrow trails with blind corners and hills. Walking and wheeled users do not belong on extremely narrow trails with no place to pass. This description fits almost the whole length of the Western States Trail.
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    >> There are HUNDREDS of miles of trails suitable to mt. bikes in the Tahoe National Forest, and even in this same area. The Alliance provided marked trail maps for several other acceptable routes for the Tahoe Sierra 100 race. All the FS and promoter have to do is select one.
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    >> The Western States Safe Trail Alliance is not anti-mt. bike, but pro-safe and maintained trails. There are some trails that should be hiker only, some that should be hiker horse, and some that can be non-motorized mutli-use. Use is dependent upon safety for all users, which means children, dog walkers, seniors, bird watchers, horses....everyone who should be able to enjoy our great natural outdoors on our public trails. IF a trail is built to safe and accepted multi-use standards, and maintained to those same standards, then mt. bikes can be added. As we all know, these designations do not deny access to anyone. Anyone can walk these trails, they would just have to leave their bikes (or horses, if hiking only) at home.
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    >> Just to be clear, over 90% of FS trails are open to mt. bikes. Why the bikers state on their forums and websites they want all the trails, including the Western States, regardless of real safety and erosion concerns, is irresponsible.
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    > I'm happy for any bit of good news. I think it's still good that we thanked the Forest Service for doing the right thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Engemann View Post

    The post by the TS100 was inaccurate and is a diservice to the entire endurance community.

    ....

    The endurance community has to stick together.
    thanks for the post Mark...but if the post by the TS100 is a disservice to the entire endurance community, then how would you characterize the actions of the "Western States Safe Trail Alliance" towards the TS100?

    Yes registration for the TS100 may have been lower than in past years this year...but what do you expect to happen when it's been common knowledge for months that there's been an ongoing effort by the WSSTA to work to deny or hold up the permit for the race? Why would people sign up if there's a looming question of whether or not the race will even be allowed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Engemann View Post
    If you can find evidence of Tevis opposing the ride please post it. There are members of the equestrian community that did oppose the ride, Tevis did not. I would encourage all members of this forum to confirm any opposition prior to making any inflamatory comments.
    We are all part of the endurance family, we can destroy each other but that doesn't help us in keeping and utiliziing our trails.
    Does Tevis use the "Safe Trails Alliance" to do all the dirty work? That way Tevis can say, No, it wasn't us?

    "There was much discussion about the possibility of trails being opened up to cyclists, in particular the Western States Trail. The Safe Trails Alliance is petitioning to make trail use for hikers and horses only for safety reasons. Single track trails with no line of sight and approximately eight feet wide are no place for cyclists. A letter prepared by Diane Dixon was given to Katie to sign off in behalf of DHA. Ann will give the signed letter to Diane. It was noted that individual letters would give more weight to the cause. Diane will generate a form letter so folks can send individual letters. Pam asked for an e-mail with more details so she can blast it out to folks about the letter-writing campaign."

    Mark, did you get one of these requests, and did you participate in this letter writing campaign?

    http://www.divideha.org/marchminutes13.pdf
    archived just in case it disappears.

    Mark, I see you are an accomplished endurance athlete, in running, riding and horse riding. If you'd like to help the endurance family, maybe you can talk to the "Safe trails alliance" and the DHA to stop trying to SNUB the cycling community. Can we count on your support?

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    I sent an email to the Sacramento Bee regarding this issue and the building conflict over trail access.

    www.sacbee.com/contact/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brewtality View Post
    I sent an email to the Sacramento Bee regarding this issue and the building conflict over trail access.

    www.sacbee.com/contact/
    When I get home you'll get some rep for that. Just like you mentioned to me about picking up a shovel at granite bay, I haven't done anything about this either. I think that's a lot of our problem as MTBers lacking access, atrophy. We've got the numbers of users for sure to warrant more access or more trails.
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    Here's what Mark Engemann thinks of mtn bikers.

    Notice this is from the parks.gov, which likely means Mark kindly wrote it and sent it in. Thanks Mark.

    Hey, maybe some time we can go riding and be friends. Then, you can know of 1 person that rides technical singletrack that hasn't run anyone off the trail...

    "I do not know any mountain bikers that ride technical single track trails who have not
    bumped handlebars or have not run someone off of a trail and/or have themselves been
    run off a trail. On a technical single track trail with obstacles,sand,mud, bushes, blind
    corners, various speeds and abilities,the wearing of personal listen devises, when
    sharing the trails, collisions are inevitable."

    http://www.parks.ca.gov/pages/795/fi...espondence.pdf

    Oh, hey, if collisions are inevitable, how about horses stay off some trails and let those be bikes only? Whatcha think?

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    Wow Mark. You just got exposed for what you are. Thanks, Rensho.

    Mark- slightly off topic, but why should a public resource like the WST in the ASRA be 100% bicycle-free 100% of the time? Surely many cyclists can negotiate the terrain and would enjoy it immensely. Why couldn't cyclists have access to it, say every Wednesday and Sunday? Hikers and equestrians wouldn't be excluded on those days, but those that use it during those times would understand that they may cross paths with cyclists. [EDIT: I just noticed you wrote that you support separate days. Thank you!]

    I'll add that while nobody is claiming the Tevis Cup Foundation is behind the hurdles set forth this year, people highly involved with the Tevis Cup Foundation are. I'd love to see where the Tevis Cup Foundation denounced the actions of the WSSTA, showing support for the TS100, just like GBE has shown support for the Tevis Cup over the years.

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    Where the F is the IMBA on something like this? They supposedly are there to foster better access for mtbs. I guess if the trail isn't in Boulder, they don't care?

    IMBA will NEVER get a check from me again

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    ^^ Easy now. They've done--and are doing--plenty of work in CA. And who's to say that they aren't planning a response to this? Then again, if the majority of riders were members, we'd have IMBA trails in every county...
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    I rode the western states trail from soda springs to Robinson Flat on Saturday 7/27. The Tevis Cup had come through the weekend before. The trail was in terrible condition and all the ribbon marking was still in place.
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    So, a bunch of recently created users start coming on the board telling us about how loved mtbr's are and that we shouldn't be disruptive, yet in reality they are anti mtb. Plus, they only showed up once retaliatory actions were discussed. We are being lied to and mislead on what we should do. You've seen their hollow diplomacy in action. I'm tired of playing nice, because they sure aren't playing by that rulebook.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MTT77 View Post
    Where the F is the IMBA on something like this? They supposedly are there to foster better access for mtbs. I guess if the trail isn't in Boulder, they don't care?

    IMBA will NEVER get a check from me again
    IMBA has been proactive about the WSSTA's efforts to close the Western States Trail in the Tahoe National Forest to mt. biking. They are on it. IMBA generally does not get involved with race events... they are about general access to trails. Two separate issues, but there is certainly some crossover in this case. Keep in mind that equestrians didn't get bikes booted off the WST portion of the race... but they created unnecessary challenges that by all measures affected registrations for the race, which lead to cancelling it. Are the equestrians entirely to blame for low registration numbers? Absolutely not, but as far as I know, there weren't any of these issues last year and almost 200 people signed up.

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    Wasn't there a group of kayakers or something, who started an IMBA club a few years ago, and started advocating for keeping bikes out of the backcountry.

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