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    shasta lemurian thread

    i've not done this race before, so i've got a couple of questions:

    hardtail or dualie xc bike?

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    I'll try and help

    Ride whatever you want to. The downhills for sure are suited for a dually, especially the ice box as it is pretty tore up now, but on that note, I've only ever raced a fully rigid on the course and enjoyed it.

    Tires.. I perfer something that will grab on the corners (popular tires around here are Nevegals, Trail bears, stuff with knobs), there will be some loose sections. Also, I recommend tubeless. I got two flats last year.

    Profile. Hows this. Upppp, Down, Up, Down, flat, Uppppp, then downnnn. Yeah, I think that about covers it.

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    It is my first year too. I will be in the Masters (45-54) long course. I have been pretty diligent training this spring, so I don't expect to die, just huff,puff, and wheeze a lot!

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    I would ride what ever you feel more comfortable on. I think the race is won on all the climbing, but it is a long hard race, so ride what you feel best on. I've done the long course 3 times and am always hurting big time at the end of the race. Unlike Downieville, you are not not done after the long fun downhill, so be prepared to keep on climbing till you cross the finish line.
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    I rode the long course Saturday (hot!!). Here's my report, also posted on Lemurian website.


    COURSE UPDATE 4/13/2008

    The course today was dry and fast. Extended weather forecast indicates only a chance of showers on a handful of days. I expect conditions to be dry and fast on race day. Tires of choice will likely be those best suited to dry conditions. The Gas Can decent was extremely loose and sketchy, caution is advised as you won't win the race here, but could lose it here. Virtually no mud on the course. Lines on the Couch continue to improve. The Ice Box decent is rougher than previous years. Most of the blow down on the course has been removed, the remaining obstacles do not require a dismount.
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    I'm praying for some cool weather in redding, after this weekend of riding in the heat I'm not looking forward to 26 miles of throw down in 90 degree+ conditions.

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    I prerode the 21 mile course a few weeks ago and I was pretty sure I left a kidney and lung on the trail somewhere. I rode it on my nomad. The downhills are way sketch right now, but could be done on a hardtail (just not by me). Those climbs are crazy. I see the 8 mile beginner race route in my future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by renderedtoast
    I prerode the 21 mile course a few weeks ago and I was pretty sure I left a kidney and lung on the trail somewhere. I rode it on my nomad. The downhills are way sketch right now, but could be done on a hardtail (just not by me). Those climbs are crazy. I see the 8 mile beginner race route in my future.
    I'm not a great bike handler, but I ride my hardtail on that course all the time! The first descent is sketchier now than it was a couple of weeks ago. Unfortunately someone always crashes on it during the race. The Couch descent is much improved over a couple of weeks ago. Pedaling a Nomad up those 2 climbs would be really hard, nice job
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    Damn, April 26... too much too soon for the schedule.

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    Couch!!

    I hit that on Saturday. OH MY!! Talk about fast. I love it this time of year, its gets such a nice line worn in from people preriding the course.

    One line that people are taking that is a bit off is the steep right before the metal bridge. Everyone is taking a line on the left and if you just aim straight down the middle and let go of the front brake about half way down you can get enough momentum to clear the next hill. Feels so good. Oh man, all this talk of the couch, I think I have to head out there tonight.

    Quote Originally Posted by LemurianGuy
    I'm not a great bike handler, but I ride my hardtail on that course all the time! The first descent is sketchier now than it was a couple of weeks ago. Unfortunately someone always crashes on it during the race. The Couch descent is much improved over a couple of weeks ago. Pedaling a Nomad up those 2 climbs would be really hard, nice job

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    You made the right choice in riding locations. Sunday I pedaled to Shasta Dam on the new trail (44 miles round trip from my house!). There was a HUGE moto race at the OHV area, you could hear 'em all the way across the river and there was a big dust cloud.
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    Any pictures of this course? How sketchy are these downhills? I wont be able to pre-ride so having a general idea from pics might help.

    Still not sure about this one though. NVDC took a bite out of my soul.

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    The Lemurian is one of the most fun courses you will race in CA. It will actually challenge your skills as opposed to Sea Otter which a roadie could do with out any problem. If you want a real mountain bike race the Lemurian is one to do for sure.

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    Here a couple pic's...it is actually not that technical, just steep in a couple spots. This really is one of the most fun courses around
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    couple more to build your confidence
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    Quote Originally Posted by NoBalance
    Any pictures of this course? How sketchy are these downhills? I wont be able to pre-ride so having a general idea from pics might help.

    Still not sure about this one though. NVDC took a bite out of my soul.
    There really is only one sketchy downhill and its just a fire road with some off camber turns and a few ruts in the wrong places. Its not a problem so long as you keep your bike under control. The Couch trail is very cool, its steep, dark & shady, with a few ruts, but very soft so crashing doesn't hurt much. Its so dark on the Couch that my camera won't take a decent picture even in the middle of the day.

    Some of the course is on an old water ditch, there's a rooty, stair step downhill, a techy, rocky trail along a creek, etc. In short, there's something for everyone
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    Quote Originally Posted by merlin
    couple more to build your confidence
    Ohhhh, nice Couch pics Merlin!!
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    More pics of the course, although not on race day.
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    Race Pics

    A couple more race pics. Notice the bridge at the bottom of the hill in one of the shots? Its actually an old steel loading ramp from a uhaul truck. The trick is to negotiate your way past a couple of rocks and roots, then let go of the brakes, fly across the bridge and up the short hill on the other side. Fun stuff
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    Thanks! This thread needed some pics! I hope that girl didnt hit that tiny little tree head on.

    Yeah I dont know why everyone is crashing, it doesnt look that bad. There were a couple of places to crash at the NVDC and I cleared them all very well. However, I am always a bit unsure on my EPIC. Since this course has lots of climbing, I'd probably still go with the Epic.

    Now to figure out a good carpool for that long-arse trip up. We'll see.

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    Me and Aren Timmel are coming up to ride today, early afternoon, if anyone wants to meet up. PM me and I should get it on my phone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by merlin
    Here a couple pic's...it is actually not that technical, just steep in a couple spots. This really is one of the most fun courses around
    Wow, makes you wonder what Team Sycip was eatin that AM for brekky....

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    it is norcal and there's nothing like dense chocolate baked goods to get you going...er....falling in the morning.

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    Think you might beat last years time?

    How are you feeling this year? The course is very fast. The upper section of the shasta mine downhill has been smoothed out, so its super fast. Not sure how sketchy the gas can is.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tim Olson
    Me and Aren Timmel are coming up to ride today, early afternoon, if anyone wants to meet up. PM me and I should get it on my phone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki
    How are you feeling this year? The course is very fast. The upper section of the shasta mine downhill has been smoothed out, so its super fast. Not sure how sketchy the gas can is.
    I feel happy! Not sure how fast I'll be though. I went out and rode the course last week with Nigel and it was a lot drier than I've seen it in a while. Usually in the spring there's a lot of standing water on the canal trail, and a couple of years ago I remember hiking through snow at the top of Couch. The park employees were cutting out a lot of downed timber off the trails last week, so everything should be clean. They said there's a horse race coming up soon also. When is that?

    I'll do my best to beat last years time, but even if I do that doesn't mean someone else won't come along and beat it by even more!

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    is the course marked to pre ride?

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    Quote Originally Posted by goat
    is the course marked to pre ride?
    No. The park service won't let me start marking until the Thursday before the race. But you can buy a book called North State Single Track that has a pretty good course map and directions. Get it at any lbs in Redding or at the Whiskeytown Visitor Center.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tim Olson
    They said there's a horse race coming up soon also. When is that?
    Its this Saturday April 19th. I've seen the course maps and thankfully it appears they won't be using the Couch. But they'll be on most of the rest of the course so expect a very rough trail.
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    At least it'll likely be dry and the horses will be running so the impact wont be as bad as it could have been. A horse race on the trails ... gotta see that!

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoBalance
    At least it'll likely be dry and the horses will be running so the impact wont be as bad as it could have been. A horse race on the trails ... gotta see that!
    Not sure if its actually a race or a ride. Two distances, 25 & 50 miles and I think there are 2 different 50 courses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NoBalance
    At least it'll likely be dry and the horses will be running so the impact wont be as bad as it could have been. A horse race on the trails ... gotta see that!

    They got horse races up there?

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    how loose is it? generally speaking?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LemurianGuy
    Sunday I pedaled to Shasta Dam on the new trail (44 miles round trip from my house!). There was a HUGE moto race at the OHV area, you could hear 'em all the way across the river and there was a big dust cloud.
    You say that like it is a bad thing to have a race at an ohv park.

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    I raced last year on my stumpy fsr and it worked well (2nd in expert). But the long loop is very much a climbers course. Even though passing all the guys on Scott and Look carbon bikes on that first descent was a lot of fun, this year I'm going with my steel hardtail with a nevegal/smallblock UST setup. The descents are not that technical if you are a fair descender. I suck at climbing so hopefully the lighter bike will help me. Also, my hardtail has two water bottle holders and the stumpy only has one so with the HT I'll be able to ditch the camelback

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    I doubt it

    Quote Originally Posted by ZEKEDAWG
    You say that like it is a bad thing to have a race at an ohv park.
    As he is a moto rider himself, or used to be. He was just saying it was a good thing I didn't do the ride I planned on doing Saturday, or I would have had to contended with hundreds of motorcycles, which would have not made for the most pleasant riding conditions.

    Small block in the back, nevegal up front, run tubeless, should be a rocken combo for this course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoBalance
    Any pictures of this course? How sketchy are these downhills? I wont be able to pre-ride so having a general idea from pics might help.

    Still not sure about this one though. NVDC took a bite out of my soul.

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    I rode most of that course last fall and while there are some challenges, there is nothing steeper than what you rode down last sunday at NVDC and no reason to crash, except maybe on that first steeep rutty downhill (don't know the name) which is what I did
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    Looks like.....

    Quote Originally Posted by merlin
    Here a couple pic's...it is actually not that technical, just steep in a couple spots. This really is one of the most fun courses around
    ...both Team Red riders might disagree with you on this Rick!

    Can't believe it's been 3 years since I did this race before my crash . You're right, it is one of the best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by datenschwanz
    how loose is it? generally speaking?
    I don't really know how to quantify loose. Maybe this will help: the only place traction is a big issue (at least for me) is on the first downhill. Its a decomposed granite fire road that sees no vehicle traffic. A few of the turns are off camber and rutted. When I go into a corner too hot and grab a lot of brake my rear wheel skids and it takes forever to slow down. There just isn't much for the tire to grab. Does that help?
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    Quote Originally Posted by fritzaholic
    Wow, makes you wonder what Team Sycip was eatin that AM for brekky....
    This particular section of the Couch has improved for the better. While the best line is still on the shelf to the riders' left, "The Trench of Terror" is rideable now if you happen to end up there
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    What about tree cover? Is the course mostly in among the trees, or is it largely exposed to the ruthless rays of the hot, merciless sun?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki
    As he is a moto rider himself, or used to be. He was just saying it was a good thing I didn't do the ride I planned on doing Saturday, or I would have had to contended with hundreds of motorcycles, which would have not made for the most pleasant riding conditions.

    Small block in the back, nevegal up front, run tubeless, should be a rocken combo for this course.
    Good, I wouldn't think a nor cal boy would be worrying about a moto race. I was out at the dam both sunday and saturday enjoying the upper trail, Didn't seem too dusty (from the race), and I could only hear the race occasionally, then agian I only walked down with the kids about a mile. That upper section of the trail is dusty and has been getting hammered.

    Looks like a bit of rain this weekend. won't be enough to knock the dusty down, hope it rains next week, riding a MTB race on the same course as a horse race the week before, on trails that haven't seen rain in over a month. Bring your dust masks. If we get rain I may be a late entry for the intermediate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sashax
    What about tree cover? Is the course mostly in among the trees, or is it largely exposed to the ruthless rays of the hot, merciless sun?
    Ya, anyone know the answer to this? After dealing with the heat at NVDC I don't think I'll race the Lemurian if there is a lot of exposed climbing to be done.

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    Hows this for an answer

    Some of the climbing is in the sun and some of it is in the Shade. But they do have little kiddy pools along the way for anyone that starts to break a sweat

    Seriously though, if its warm at all out, hydration is a major factor in this race. The first year I did it was the first year I cramped big time, and I had been race for about 5 years prior. I ditched the water bottles the next year and carried a camel back so I would drink more. I also carried a bottle of sports drink, and made sure I ate plenty of Goo's. And I'm not one to eat during a race.

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    What about tree cover? Is the course mostly in among the trees, or is it largely exposed to the ruthless rays of the hot, merciless sun?

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    Is anyone from the Bay Area headed up for this? Im *very* interested in carpooling, would much rather spend the 6hrs with someone, anyone, than motor up alone.

    Im also up for meeting along the way, even if we meet up in SacTown.
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    Would riding a rigid singlespeed be a dumb idea?

    If it helps, I wouldn't ride my SS in the Downieville Classic, but I did ride it at NVDC last weekend in under 2 hours (walked all the steep climbs in the back).

    Thanks!

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    its suppose to be a great single speed course. i will be riding mine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirt_Diggler
    its suppose to be a great single speed course. i will be riding mine.
    The beginner's course is great on a singlespeed.

    Intermediate/long courses - I wouldn't call them "great". Doable, more than. But you will probably be cursing at both the top half of the Gascan climb, and at the top of the Couch. And your calves will have something to complain about when you do that one climb after the first section of the Icebox.

    I've done the Whiskeytown, French Gulch, and Shasta Dam versions of this race and this is probably the hardest of the three on a singlespeed.

    But don't let that stop you!

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    Quote Originally Posted by reklar
    After dealing with the heat at NVDC I don't think I'll race the Lemurian if there is a lot of exposed climbing to be done.
    About 2/3 of the biggest climb is heavily shaded. There is an exposed singletrack climb section, but it only takes about 10 mins to climb it. And there is an aid station at the bottom of the big climb (around mile 16) and 2/3 of the way up around mile 19. The last 3 mi mostly dh singletrack section is nicknamed Ice Box, so expect it to be very pleasant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MichiganMat
    Is anyone from the Bay Area headed up for this? Im *very* interested in carpooling, would much rather spend the 6hrs with someone, anyone, than motor up alone.

    Im also up for meeting along the way, even if we meet up in SacTown.
    Think I'll be doing this race after all. Let me know if you're lookin to carpool still. So far I'm going up solo but can take one person (front wheel removal required).

    Now to figure out which version of the course has the most suffering. Hmmm...

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    Quote Originally Posted by LemurianGuy
    About 2/3 of the biggest climb is heavily shaded. There is an exposed singletrack climb section, but it only takes about 10 mins to climb it. And there is an aid station at the bottom of the big climb (around mile 16) and 2/3 of the way up around mile 19. The last 3 mi mostly dh singletrack section is nicknamed Ice Box, so expect it to be very pleasant.
    All right, after flaking on this race for the last 2 years I'm registered and geared up for it. Hopefully it won't be too hot this year.

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