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    shasta lemurian thread

    i've not done this race before, so i've got a couple of questions:

    hardtail or dualie xc bike?

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    I'll try and help

    Ride whatever you want to. The downhills for sure are suited for a dually, especially the ice box as it is pretty tore up now, but on that note, I've only ever raced a fully rigid on the course and enjoyed it.

    Tires.. I perfer something that will grab on the corners (popular tires around here are Nevegals, Trail bears, stuff with knobs), there will be some loose sections. Also, I recommend tubeless. I got two flats last year.

    Profile. Hows this. Upppp, Down, Up, Down, flat, Uppppp, then downnnn. Yeah, I think that about covers it.

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    It is my first year too. I will be in the Masters (45-54) long course. I have been pretty diligent training this spring, so I don't expect to die, just huff,puff, and wheeze a lot!

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    I would ride what ever you feel more comfortable on. I think the race is won on all the climbing, but it is a long hard race, so ride what you feel best on. I've done the long course 3 times and am always hurting big time at the end of the race. Unlike Downieville, you are not not done after the long fun downhill, so be prepared to keep on climbing till you cross the finish line.
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    I rode the long course Saturday (hot!!). Here's my report, also posted on Lemurian website.


    COURSE UPDATE 4/13/2008

    The course today was dry and fast. Extended weather forecast indicates only a chance of showers on a handful of days. I expect conditions to be dry and fast on race day. Tires of choice will likely be those best suited to dry conditions. The Gas Can decent was extremely loose and sketchy, caution is advised as you won't win the race here, but could lose it here. Virtually no mud on the course. Lines on the Couch continue to improve. The Ice Box decent is rougher than previous years. Most of the blow down on the course has been removed, the remaining obstacles do not require a dismount.
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    I'm praying for some cool weather in redding, after this weekend of riding in the heat I'm not looking forward to 26 miles of throw down in 90 degree+ conditions.

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    I prerode the 21 mile course a few weeks ago and I was pretty sure I left a kidney and lung on the trail somewhere. I rode it on my nomad. The downhills are way sketch right now, but could be done on a hardtail (just not by me). Those climbs are crazy. I see the 8 mile beginner race route in my future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by renderedtoast
    I prerode the 21 mile course a few weeks ago and I was pretty sure I left a kidney and lung on the trail somewhere. I rode it on my nomad. The downhills are way sketch right now, but could be done on a hardtail (just not by me). Those climbs are crazy. I see the 8 mile beginner race route in my future.
    I'm not a great bike handler, but I ride my hardtail on that course all the time! The first descent is sketchier now than it was a couple of weeks ago. Unfortunately someone always crashes on it during the race. The Couch descent is much improved over a couple of weeks ago. Pedaling a Nomad up those 2 climbs would be really hard, nice job
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    Damn, April 26... too much too soon for the schedule.

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    Couch!!

    I hit that on Saturday. OH MY!! Talk about fast. I love it this time of year, its gets such a nice line worn in from people preriding the course.

    One line that people are taking that is a bit off is the steep right before the metal bridge. Everyone is taking a line on the left and if you just aim straight down the middle and let go of the front brake about half way down you can get enough momentum to clear the next hill. Feels so good. Oh man, all this talk of the couch, I think I have to head out there tonight.

    Quote Originally Posted by LemurianGuy
    I'm not a great bike handler, but I ride my hardtail on that course all the time! The first descent is sketchier now than it was a couple of weeks ago. Unfortunately someone always crashes on it during the race. The Couch descent is much improved over a couple of weeks ago. Pedaling a Nomad up those 2 climbs would be really hard, nice job

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    You made the right choice in riding locations. Sunday I pedaled to Shasta Dam on the new trail (44 miles round trip from my house!). There was a HUGE moto race at the OHV area, you could hear 'em all the way across the river and there was a big dust cloud.
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    Any pictures of this course? How sketchy are these downhills? I wont be able to pre-ride so having a general idea from pics might help.

    Still not sure about this one though. NVDC took a bite out of my soul.

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    The Lemurian is one of the most fun courses you will race in CA. It will actually challenge your skills as opposed to Sea Otter which a roadie could do with out any problem. If you want a real mountain bike race the Lemurian is one to do for sure.

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    Here a couple pic's...it is actually not that technical, just steep in a couple spots. This really is one of the most fun courses around
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    couple more to build your confidence
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    Quote Originally Posted by NoBalance
    Any pictures of this course? How sketchy are these downhills? I wont be able to pre-ride so having a general idea from pics might help.

    Still not sure about this one though. NVDC took a bite out of my soul.
    There really is only one sketchy downhill and its just a fire road with some off camber turns and a few ruts in the wrong places. Its not a problem so long as you keep your bike under control. The Couch trail is very cool, its steep, dark & shady, with a few ruts, but very soft so crashing doesn't hurt much. Its so dark on the Couch that my camera won't take a decent picture even in the middle of the day.

    Some of the course is on an old water ditch, there's a rooty, stair step downhill, a techy, rocky trail along a creek, etc. In short, there's something for everyone
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    Quote Originally Posted by merlin
    couple more to build your confidence
    Ohhhh, nice Couch pics Merlin!!
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    More pics of the course, although not on race day.
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    Race Pics

    A couple more race pics. Notice the bridge at the bottom of the hill in one of the shots? Its actually an old steel loading ramp from a uhaul truck. The trick is to negotiate your way past a couple of rocks and roots, then let go of the brakes, fly across the bridge and up the short hill on the other side. Fun stuff
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    Thanks! This thread needed some pics! I hope that girl didnt hit that tiny little tree head on.

    Yeah I dont know why everyone is crashing, it doesnt look that bad. There were a couple of places to crash at the NVDC and I cleared them all very well. However, I am always a bit unsure on my EPIC. Since this course has lots of climbing, I'd probably still go with the Epic.

    Now to figure out a good carpool for that long-arse trip up. We'll see.

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    Me and Aren Timmel are coming up to ride today, early afternoon, if anyone wants to meet up. PM me and I should get it on my phone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by merlin
    Here a couple pic's...it is actually not that technical, just steep in a couple spots. This really is one of the most fun courses around
    Wow, makes you wonder what Team Sycip was eatin that AM for brekky....

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    it is norcal and there's nothing like dense chocolate baked goods to get you going...er....falling in the morning.

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    Think you might beat last years time?

    How are you feeling this year? The course is very fast. The upper section of the shasta mine downhill has been smoothed out, so its super fast. Not sure how sketchy the gas can is.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tim Olson
    Me and Aren Timmel are coming up to ride today, early afternoon, if anyone wants to meet up. PM me and I should get it on my phone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki
    How are you feeling this year? The course is very fast. The upper section of the shasta mine downhill has been smoothed out, so its super fast. Not sure how sketchy the gas can is.
    I feel happy! Not sure how fast I'll be though. I went out and rode the course last week with Nigel and it was a lot drier than I've seen it in a while. Usually in the spring there's a lot of standing water on the canal trail, and a couple of years ago I remember hiking through snow at the top of Couch. The park employees were cutting out a lot of downed timber off the trails last week, so everything should be clean. They said there's a horse race coming up soon also. When is that?

    I'll do my best to beat last years time, but even if I do that doesn't mean someone else won't come along and beat it by even more!

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    is the course marked to pre ride?

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    Quote Originally Posted by goat
    is the course marked to pre ride?
    No. The park service won't let me start marking until the Thursday before the race. But you can buy a book called North State Single Track that has a pretty good course map and directions. Get it at any lbs in Redding or at the Whiskeytown Visitor Center.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tim Olson
    They said there's a horse race coming up soon also. When is that?
    Its this Saturday April 19th. I've seen the course maps and thankfully it appears they won't be using the Couch. But they'll be on most of the rest of the course so expect a very rough trail.
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    At least it'll likely be dry and the horses will be running so the impact wont be as bad as it could have been. A horse race on the trails ... gotta see that!

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoBalance
    At least it'll likely be dry and the horses will be running so the impact wont be as bad as it could have been. A horse race on the trails ... gotta see that!
    Not sure if its actually a race or a ride. Two distances, 25 & 50 miles and I think there are 2 different 50 courses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NoBalance
    At least it'll likely be dry and the horses will be running so the impact wont be as bad as it could have been. A horse race on the trails ... gotta see that!

    They got horse races up there?

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    how loose is it? generally speaking?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LemurianGuy
    Sunday I pedaled to Shasta Dam on the new trail (44 miles round trip from my house!). There was a HUGE moto race at the OHV area, you could hear 'em all the way across the river and there was a big dust cloud.
    You say that like it is a bad thing to have a race at an ohv park.

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    I raced last year on my stumpy fsr and it worked well (2nd in expert). But the long loop is very much a climbers course. Even though passing all the guys on Scott and Look carbon bikes on that first descent was a lot of fun, this year I'm going with my steel hardtail with a nevegal/smallblock UST setup. The descents are not that technical if you are a fair descender. I suck at climbing so hopefully the lighter bike will help me. Also, my hardtail has two water bottle holders and the stumpy only has one so with the HT I'll be able to ditch the camelback

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    I doubt it

    Quote Originally Posted by ZEKEDAWG
    You say that like it is a bad thing to have a race at an ohv park.
    As he is a moto rider himself, or used to be. He was just saying it was a good thing I didn't do the ride I planned on doing Saturday, or I would have had to contended with hundreds of motorcycles, which would have not made for the most pleasant riding conditions.

    Small block in the back, nevegal up front, run tubeless, should be a rocken combo for this course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoBalance
    Any pictures of this course? How sketchy are these downhills? I wont be able to pre-ride so having a general idea from pics might help.

    Still not sure about this one though. NVDC took a bite out of my soul.

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    I rode most of that course last fall and while there are some challenges, there is nothing steeper than what you rode down last sunday at NVDC and no reason to crash, except maybe on that first steeep rutty downhill (don't know the name) which is what I did
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    Looks like.....

    Quote Originally Posted by merlin
    Here a couple pic's...it is actually not that technical, just steep in a couple spots. This really is one of the most fun courses around
    ...both Team Red riders might disagree with you on this Rick!

    Can't believe it's been 3 years since I did this race before my crash . You're right, it is one of the best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by datenschwanz
    how loose is it? generally speaking?
    I don't really know how to quantify loose. Maybe this will help: the only place traction is a big issue (at least for me) is on the first downhill. Its a decomposed granite fire road that sees no vehicle traffic. A few of the turns are off camber and rutted. When I go into a corner too hot and grab a lot of brake my rear wheel skids and it takes forever to slow down. There just isn't much for the tire to grab. Does that help?
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    Quote Originally Posted by fritzaholic
    Wow, makes you wonder what Team Sycip was eatin that AM for brekky....
    This particular section of the Couch has improved for the better. While the best line is still on the shelf to the riders' left, "The Trench of Terror" is rideable now if you happen to end up there
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    What about tree cover? Is the course mostly in among the trees, or is it largely exposed to the ruthless rays of the hot, merciless sun?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki
    As he is a moto rider himself, or used to be. He was just saying it was a good thing I didn't do the ride I planned on doing Saturday, or I would have had to contended with hundreds of motorcycles, which would have not made for the most pleasant riding conditions.

    Small block in the back, nevegal up front, run tubeless, should be a rocken combo for this course.
    Good, I wouldn't think a nor cal boy would be worrying about a moto race. I was out at the dam both sunday and saturday enjoying the upper trail, Didn't seem too dusty (from the race), and I could only hear the race occasionally, then agian I only walked down with the kids about a mile. That upper section of the trail is dusty and has been getting hammered.

    Looks like a bit of rain this weekend. won't be enough to knock the dusty down, hope it rains next week, riding a MTB race on the same course as a horse race the week before, on trails that haven't seen rain in over a month. Bring your dust masks. If we get rain I may be a late entry for the intermediate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sashax
    What about tree cover? Is the course mostly in among the trees, or is it largely exposed to the ruthless rays of the hot, merciless sun?
    Ya, anyone know the answer to this? After dealing with the heat at NVDC I don't think I'll race the Lemurian if there is a lot of exposed climbing to be done.

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    Hows this for an answer

    Some of the climbing is in the sun and some of it is in the Shade. But they do have little kiddy pools along the way for anyone that starts to break a sweat

    Seriously though, if its warm at all out, hydration is a major factor in this race. The first year I did it was the first year I cramped big time, and I had been race for about 5 years prior. I ditched the water bottles the next year and carried a camel back so I would drink more. I also carried a bottle of sports drink, and made sure I ate plenty of Goo's. And I'm not one to eat during a race.

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    What about tree cover? Is the course mostly in among the trees, or is it largely exposed to the ruthless rays of the hot, merciless sun?

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    Is anyone from the Bay Area headed up for this? Im *very* interested in carpooling, would much rather spend the 6hrs with someone, anyone, than motor up alone.

    Im also up for meeting along the way, even if we meet up in SacTown.
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    Would riding a rigid singlespeed be a dumb idea?

    If it helps, I wouldn't ride my SS in the Downieville Classic, but I did ride it at NVDC last weekend in under 2 hours (walked all the steep climbs in the back).

    Thanks!

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    its suppose to be a great single speed course. i will be riding mine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirt_Diggler
    its suppose to be a great single speed course. i will be riding mine.
    The beginner's course is great on a singlespeed.

    Intermediate/long courses - I wouldn't call them "great". Doable, more than. But you will probably be cursing at both the top half of the Gascan climb, and at the top of the Couch. And your calves will have something to complain about when you do that one climb after the first section of the Icebox.

    I've done the Whiskeytown, French Gulch, and Shasta Dam versions of this race and this is probably the hardest of the three on a singlespeed.

    But don't let that stop you!

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    Quote Originally Posted by reklar
    After dealing with the heat at NVDC I don't think I'll race the Lemurian if there is a lot of exposed climbing to be done.
    About 2/3 of the biggest climb is heavily shaded. There is an exposed singletrack climb section, but it only takes about 10 mins to climb it. And there is an aid station at the bottom of the big climb (around mile 16) and 2/3 of the way up around mile 19. The last 3 mi mostly dh singletrack section is nicknamed Ice Box, so expect it to be very pleasant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MichiganMat
    Is anyone from the Bay Area headed up for this? Im *very* interested in carpooling, would much rather spend the 6hrs with someone, anyone, than motor up alone.

    Im also up for meeting along the way, even if we meet up in SacTown.
    Think I'll be doing this race after all. Let me know if you're lookin to carpool still. So far I'm going up solo but can take one person (front wheel removal required).

    Now to figure out which version of the course has the most suffering. Hmmm...

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    Quote Originally Posted by LemurianGuy
    About 2/3 of the biggest climb is heavily shaded. There is an exposed singletrack climb section, but it only takes about 10 mins to climb it. And there is an aid station at the bottom of the big climb (around mile 16) and 2/3 of the way up around mile 19. The last 3 mi mostly dh singletrack section is nicknamed Ice Box, so expect it to be very pleasant.
    All right, after flaking on this race for the last 2 years I'm registered and geared up for it. Hopefully it won't be too hot this year.

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    SHAME ON YOU MTBR NOR CAL COMMUNITY!

    we left the Boggs race with 1/4 keg of Speakeasy left!

    SHAME ON YOU ALL!

    so for Shasta, the question is

    to keg, or not to keg? WILL YOU HELP US DRINK IT??

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    I'll drink a 1/4 by myself (then keel over and die).

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    Thats it...the SS it has to be...besides I LOVE MY 29ER!!! It rolls so sweetly over the rocks and drops in the downhill...c-ya all up there, and WOW 257 miles there...getting in the campsite late isn't a problem is it? Or can ya just park in the parking lot...I have a VW Eurovan Camper.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cableguy46
    Thats it...the SS it has to be...besides I LOVE MY 29ER!!! It rolls so sweetly over the rocks and drops in the downhill...c-ya all up there, and WOW 257 miles there...getting in the campsite late isn't a problem is it? Or can ya just park in the parking lot...I have a VW Eurovan Camper.
    Man I wish I had a camper setup like that. I sure hope they got showers if I decide to camp. I cannot fathom starting my day without a shower, it just rinses the tired away. I think the camping is a mile away.

    The weather looks like it'll be between 75 and 85 during the day, and in the fifties at night, which isnt so bad (as long as there is no bleeping cold wind).

    Yeah, its far. Its a drive. I dont think I'll be getting up at 4am in order to drive up there. On the other hand, it is a nice area and its been a while since I ... drove through Redding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cableguy46
    getting in the campsite late isn't a problem is it? Or can ya just park in the parking lot...I have a VW Eurovan Camper.
    Unfortunately rangerboy isn't going to allow you to camp in the parking lot or any other place that isn't a designated camp site. But there is an RV lot about 1/4 mi from the start/finish, in fact the race comes right thru the rv camping area. Not sure what the cost is for that. The "official" $5 per head camping is at Dry Cr Group Camp and is primitive, but located right on the lake. Its one of those drive in and unload your gear then park your car in the lot deals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NoBalance
    I sure hope they got showers if I decide to camp. I cannot fathom starting my day without a shower, it just rinses the tired away. I think the camping is a mile away.

    The weather looks like it'll be between 75 and 85 during the day, and in the fifties at night, which isnt so bad (as long as there is no bleeping cold wind).
    No showers, sorry. But the lake is right there, a morning dip will wake you up for sure
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    Thanks for the info LemurianGuy...sounds like I should stay at he RV park...besides then I can have power plug in and watch some movies, and probablly get a shower too...

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    Good job! Bigfoot gets to race!

    Hola Ron,
    We're looking forward to Saturday, one of those rare occasions when I get to put on a number and actually race! It's gonna be nice seeing someone else walking around with a bull-horn and a head-ache.

    My wife will get bored just hanging around a finish line. Could you use her at a road crossing or somewhere? She'll need to be somewhere that she can drive to and that has some shade since she'll have Mac the wonder mutt with her.

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    rain is good!

    It looks like the course is getting a nice little sprinkling about now. Should be great for Saturday.

    Here is a link to the cal trans traffic cam on 299 about 4 miles east of the lake.

    http://www.dot.ca.gov/dist2/cctv/sm_eurway.shtml

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    Quote Originally Posted by arphaxhad
    It looks like the course is getting a nice little sprinkling about now. Should be great for Saturday.

    Here is a link to the cal trans traffic cam on 299 about 4 miles east of the lake.

    http://www.dot.ca.gov/dist2/cctv/sm_eurway.shtml
    Its raining lightly in Redding right now. I spoke with the trails guy at Whiskeytown about 30 minutes ago and he said its coming down pretty good. Hopefully it'll keep up at least through the afternoon.

    Tires of choice will still be those that handle dry conditons well. This rain should help traction a bit & eliminate the dust
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    Quote Originally Posted by LemurianGuy
    Its raining lightly in Redding right now. I spoke with the trails guy at Whiskeytown about 30 minutes ago and he said its coming down pretty good. Hopefully it'll keep up at least through the afternoon.

    Tires of choice will still be those that handle dry conditons well. This rain should help traction a bit & eliminate the dust
    Sounds perfect. As long as the warm weather doesn't roll in and make it humid as hell.

    Hey Ron, are you riding on Sunday?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cableguy46
    Thanks for the info LemurianGuy...sounds like I should stay at he RV park...besides then I can have power plug in and watch some movies, and probablly get a shower too...
    http://www.nps.gov/whis/planyourvisi...ile%20size.pdf

    Looks like the showers are 9 miles away on the complete opposite side of the lake at Oak Bottom. Ahh screw it. I'll just have to be a dirty pig.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 0gre
    Sounds perfect. As long as the warm weather doesn't roll in and make it humid as hell.
    No worries there, the dry ground will soak it all up.

    Quote Originally Posted by 0gre
    Hey Ron, are you riding on Sunday?
    I can ride Sunday, but I've got a few chores to do first. I have to unload the contents of the rental truck into our storage unit, then return the truck. So I probably won't start pedaling until around noon. There are some great trails near home including a brand new one I haven't yet seen. Does that timing work for you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by NoBalance
    Whiskeytown webcam: http://www.whiskeytowncam.com/
    Looks like you trumped me with a much better webcam. Good Job

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    Quote Originally Posted by LemurianGuy
    I can ride Sunday, but I've got a few chores to do first. I have to unload the contents of the rental truck into our storage unit, then return the truck. So I probably won't start pedaling until around noon. There are some great trails near home including a brand new one I haven't yet seen. Does that timing work for you?
    I'll have to see who comes with me and what they think.

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    Went for a run at Swasey at lunch and the ground was tacky, then it actually started to rain. The course should be dry but at least it will have some moisture remaining.

    Gonna decide tonight if this will be the first race I enter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 0gre
    I'll have to see who comes with me and what they think.
    I was going to ask you if you were bringing any "trogs" with you.
    If you you can't make the ride with Ron because of a time issue (if you can I wouldn't mind tagging along) I will be able show you around early Sunday if you like.
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    It says it's going to be 87 on Saturday. Does anyone see this being a very muggy and hot weekend? Any updates as far as trail conditions?

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    Quote Originally Posted by iWiLRiDe
    It says it's going to be 87 on Saturday. Does anyone see this being a very muggy and hot weekend? Any updates as far as trail conditions?
    This area rarely has much humidity, the air is noticeably drier than in Sacramento. 87 is Redding's forecasted high for Saturday, the Whiskeytown forecast shows 81 as the high. The weather should be near perfect, it won't hit 81 until 2-3 pm and everyone will most likely be off the course by 1:00. Also, the last 8 miles is heavily shaded and the final singletrack is nicknamed Ice Box, so I don't think heat will be much of a factor.

    Brandy Cr got .56" of rain in the last 24 hrs, and its sprinkling lightly in Redding right now. I've been hoping we'd get some rain this week, conditions will be nearly perfect, if not a bit on the dry side on Saturday. The trails are mostly decomposed granite so don't bring your mud tires. You'll want tires that handle hardpack well. Link to local precip info:
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    According to Wunderground.com, it will be 77 ... not sure how accurate this stuff is but:

    5 am: temp 43, 65% humidity and 25% cloud cover
    11 am: temp 67, 37% humidity and 25% cloud cover (mid-race conditions)

    I assume by 1 PM most will be done and the temps should be in the mid-70s. Of course it'll probably be more like 80. I'm going to be doing some pre-hydration for this sucker since I'll most likely be out there for 3.5 hours and the elevation gain is absolutely insane. Thats when I get the cramping issues ... probably on the final climb.

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    Thanks for the updates guys, I couldn't ask for better conditions. BTW...I'll be registerring the day of the race, the race hasn't been filled completely has it?

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    just registered

    Just registered for the race. Am stoked. Sea otter kind of wore me down last weekand, so am taking it easy this week. cant wait to see you all there.

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    I registered online and will be riding my single speed on the long course and have never been more scared in my life. Last year i rode my geared bike on the 20 and did decent but im in better shape this year so i will put my strength and will to the test. I will be running 34t/19t.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trabso
    I was going to ask you if you were bringing any "trogs" with you.
    If you you can't make the ride with Ron because of a time issue (if you can I wouldn't mind tagging along) I will be able show you around early Sunday if you like.
    Mark Day is going to be up but he's driving up separately. I'm riding up with Sethebo.

    Let me talk to Char and see, I'd like to ride with Ron but I'm not sure a 3+ hour ride starting at 1PM is a great idea time wise (plus how warm is it going to be). Who is this if you don't mind me asking? The only former trog I know of in Redding uses a different handle on MTBR.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 0gre
    The only former trog I know of in Redding uses a different handle on MTBR.
    Same trog differant handle.

    Either way I knew it might be a time issue if you were planning on going home Sunday.
    If you can wait around for Ron, I would like to try and get in on it as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LemurianGuy
    There are some great trails near home including a brand new one I haven't yet seen. Does that timing work for you?
    Would you be talking about the new trail up mule mountain?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trabso
    Same trog differant handle.

    Either way I knew it might be a time issue if you were planning on going home Sunday.
    If you can wait around for Ron, I would like to try and get in on it as well.
    Well I don't think I'm waiting around for Ron (Sorry Ron). I'm not keen on riding in the mid-day heat and we want to get home early. Ron suggested a fairly flat trail that goes about 17 miles towards Lake Shasta (34 mile out and back). Is your email the same headshock hotmail addy it's been? I can forward you the directions he sent me.

    Are you racing Saturday?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 0gre
    Well I don't think I'm waiting around for Ron (Sorry Ron). I'm not keen on riding in the mid-day heat and we want to get home early. Ron suggested a fairly flat trail that goes about 17 miles towards Lake Shasta (34 mile out and back). Is your email the same headshock hotmail addy it's been? I can forward you the directions he sent me.

    Are you racing Saturday?
    You guys are killing me here...88 degrees is hot Come & visit in August if you want to see hot! Headshok I suggested the new Hornbeck/Sac Ditch Trails, I'm sure you're familar with that area.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 0gre
    Is your email the same headshock hotmail addy it's been? I can forward you the directions he sent me.

    Are you racing Saturday?
    Same email.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LemurianGuy
    You guys are killing me here...88 degrees is hot Come & visit in August if you want to see hot! Headshok I suggested the new Hornbeck/Sac Ditch Trails, I'm sure you're familar with that area.
    well I've ridden up the auburn ravine at the end of a 5+ hour ride in 100+ so... I sympathize.

    Given the choice between riding in the heat and riding when it's cooler I'll take cooler, even so if it were just that Ron I'd probably hang out and ride with you. It's just going to be a long weekend and wanna get home.

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    Now I'm officially registered. I was going through some pics from last year. Here are a couple of my fav's.
    1. Gentlemen. Start your engines!
    2. Passing a couple guys on the first descent while riding on the side of the trail.
    3. Happy face when I realized the finish was in sight and more importantly, the beer was in sight!
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    Jacobman..hear ya...I'll be running 32/18...and probablly wish I hadn't but what the heck it'll be a great weekend to be out for a ride and a "hike-a-bike"...

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    Just for reference how long does the hornbeck trail take you from qtz hill to the dam and back. I know that the lemurian has alot more climbing, but I really want to ride it, just that I have never ran a race and don't want to embarrass myself.

    I have ridden from swasy over mule mtn, hit the canal and shasta mine, part of buck hollow and back with no problem, approx 15 miles and it took 2hrs exactly.

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    Nice green stumpy. Got the same bike, but will be using the epic. Dont think I can pull off a 2:46 but will try to keep it under 3.5 hours.

    Cableguy, you going to be doing SS? I'll be sure to say hi when I pas you up.

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    In looking at the race results from last year, I notice a Clydsdale category, what are the requirements and/ or what is it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZEKEDAWG
    In looking at the race results from last year, I notice a Clydsdale category, what are the requirements and/ or what is it?
    Typically you have to weigh in at 200 lbs for dudes 165 lbs for chicks, that's it. I've seen the chick weigh limit vary a bit.

    It's kind of a sucker bet though since often the tall clydes are faster than the sport class riders. I thought they had a clyde class for the 20 mile race this year but not for the 26 mile race but I'm not sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoBalance
    Nice green stumpy. Got the same bike, but will be using the epic. Dont think I can pull off a 2:46 but will try to keep it under 3.5 hours.

    Cableguy, you going to be doing SS? I'll be sure to say hi when I pas you up.
    It's a cool bike fer sure. The Stumpy was fun last year. Definitely the bike I would go out for a ride on this course. But to race this course it's a bit heavy. Epic is a better choice for the race considering the brutal climbs. This is such a climbers course. I'll be on a steel hard tail this year. Get psyched! Good luck.

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    Is the long course able to be ridden on a full rigid?

    I'm considering racing my CX bike just because its so much faster and lighter than my XC right now. I've looked through a few of the pics from previous years, looks like a few guys were running rigids. Any thoughts?

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    Yep Nobalance...you probablly will pass me up, right at the beginning too...This will be a "scenic" ride for me... Looking at the times from last year I'm figuring to be around the 3 hr mark....trying to keep it under will be the goal...certainly not out to blaze any times...just for the fun of it and to say I finished, thats the big reason for the SS, very, very small chance of mechanical issues (knock on wood)...besides my geared is STILL in the shop...I haven't had the nerve to call them yet to find out if the Carbon was affected...c-ya there...

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    rigid no problem

    Well, I guess it could be a problem if your not used to riding rigid in rocky conditions.

    Cross bike though, maybe a monster cross. If your running rigid, you will want some tires with volume.

    Quote Originally Posted by MichiganMat
    Is the long course able to be ridden on a full rigid?

    I'm considering racing my CX bike just because its so much faster and lighter than my XC right now. I've looked through a few of the pics from previous years, looks like a few guys were running rigids. Any thoughts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki
    Well, I guess it could be a problem if your not used to riding rigid in rocky conditions.

    Cross bike though, maybe a monster cross. If your running rigid, you will want some tires with volume.
    Is that because of the descents? Or is the whole course rocky? I can ride almost any condition on my CX bike, but fast rocky descents will be an issue just as a matter of speed. Im riding the long course BTW. If the majority of the course is smoothed out singletrack with a few gnarly rocky drops then I'll be out on the CX. But if there are super-d style bombs...

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    I don't doubt your skills

    But most of the downhill after the first descent is very rocky. The last part of the course is called the ice box, and I always thought it was named that after the chunks of rock that litter certain areas. Another factor, is on some of the climbs, the road is graveled in about 1 inch pieces of gravel, I doubt climbing that in cross tires would be fun.

    And flats. I run big tire, and last year I got two flats. People that run small tires, usually learn that the terrain isn't suited for them. I can't imagine the work it would take to finesse a cross bike through this course. But at the same time there are a couple of area's where a cross bike would FLY, i.e. the canal trail, and the road across the dam.

    But if you do, be sure to post your thoughts on this board.

    Quote Originally Posted by MichiganMat
    Is that because of the descents? Or is the whole course rocky? I can ride almost any condition on my CX bike, but fast rocky descents will be an issue just as a matter of speed. Im riding the long course BTW. If the majority of the course is smoothed out singletrack with a few gnarly rocky drops then I'll be out on the CX. But if there are super-d style bombs...

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    Screw it, I am in. I will be solo, so If you see a fat guy on a silver bike on the side of the trail, tell him to suck it up and get moving.

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    Loki-

    Thats some excellent insight, thanks for your suggestions. I've decided to play it safe and ride my XC.

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    what course?

    20 or 26 miler?

    Quote Originally Posted by ZEKEDAWG
    Screw it, I am in. I will be solo, so If you see a fat guy on a silver bike on the side of the trail, tell him to suck it up and get moving.

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    20 miler

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    Hopefully I'll be okay with the epic. I mean, only the roughest stuff needs more than 4" of travel. From the pictures and reports, it looks like this will require more skill than just travel.

    Ahh the climbing ... it CANT be as bad as NVDC in as far as hills that are NOT climbable. But damn, 5000 ft of climbing ... ca-rap ... where's that bowl of pasta anyway ...

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    Course Update

    One word: Perfection! I marked the course yesterday and can report that the Tuesday/Wednesday rains eliminated the dust and greatly improved traction! Yesterday would have been a perfect day to race. The Gas Can descent was a blast, I could actually hold a line and not have to deal with 2 wheel drift every corner. Couch has some very fast, smooth lines grooved in, the dirt was very tacky and it was even a bit chilly at the top around 3 pm. Weather forecast for today calls for possible thunderstorms in the area so we may get a bit more moisture...bring it on!

    Registion is around 280 as of Thursday evening so you can register Friday evening 3-7 or Saturday morning starting at 7am. Looks like we're going to have lots of fun on Saturday!
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    Quote Originally Posted by jenglish23
    Now I'm officially registered. I was going through some pics from last year. Here are a couple of my fav's.
    1. Gentlemen. Start your engines!
    2. Passing a couple guys on the first descent while riding on the side of the trail.
    3. Happy face when I realized the finish was in sight and more importantly, the beer was in sight!
    Pic #1...That's what I call making your own line, the photog must have been scared $hitle$$
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