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    Saratoga Gap recommendation

    Have never riden Saratoga Gap and would like to check it out. How long does it take at an easy pace? I am driving over 1.5 hours to get there and would like to ride at least 4 hours to make it worth the drive. Any suggestions to combine it with other trails in the area to make it a longer ride. Of course I prefer sweet flowy single track. I have been to Skeggs and would like to go somewhere I haven't been.

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    You can start at the trailhead where highway 35 and 9 intersect. Maps are usually well stocked there. Follow the gap trail to the longridge loop. Head towards grizzly flats parking lot and make your way back climbing table mountain and then charcoal road. Charcoal road can be a tough climb esp when it's hot out so bring plenty of water. I usually do this at a slow pace and it takes me about 3- 3.5 hrs with plenty of stops to enjoy the scenery. Have fun-

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    Download this map:
    http://www.openspace.org/preserves/m...ineReduced.pdf

    It is also available at the trail heads.
    Assuming you are starting at the intersection of 35 and 9:
    Ride the Saratoga Gap Trail for 1.7 + .3 miles until you pop out at LR01. Congratulations. You have ridden Saratoga Gap. You may turn around and head home now.

    If you wish to ride further, continue along the Hickory Oaks trail and then make a right onto long ridge road.

    Do you want to see vast open plains and rolling hills? Take long ridge road past the wallace Stegner bench, past LR12, until Long Ridge trail loops around and ends up at the triple intersection.

    Do you want to stay in the shade? Take the 0.5 mile squiggle down to LR11 and contine on Peters Creek Trail. Take the .4 mile connector up to LR12 and ride that loop mentioned earlier.

    Now head north on the Bay Area Ridge Trail, also called Chestnut. Then Tree Farm Trail, and then around Horseshoe lake.
    Work your way over to Russian Ridge Preserve parking lot. GO up that trail and hang a left to Ancient Oaks, then to the head of Alder Spring, go up Hawk, out and back Ridge Trail if you have time, and back along the Bay Area Ridge Trail.
    At the RR01 Junction, cross skyline and go to Clouds rest, meadow Trail, and go to MB05.
    Go the MB04, then White Oak Trail,to MB06. If you have enough time, go all the way down to Canyon Trail, then up Bella Vista, Old Ranch, to the Black Mountain radio tower thing, and back to MB06. Do not take Indian Creek Trail.

    Now you can pretty much go back the way you came, except you can skip that little Long Ridge loop and head straight onto Peter's creek.

    In any case, I don't suggest Grizzly Flat or Charcoal Road because those are long miserable uphills.

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    Yup, this is excellent. Big ride.

    On another note, don't go down Grizzly Flat which is the normal Saratoga Gap big loop. It is a fire road and the climb out is very steep.

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    Dog's allowed at Saratoga Gap?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnryder56 View Post
    Dog's allowed at Saratoga Gap?
    Unfortunately not.

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    Are these trails marked good, sounds like I will get lost.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mb2boost View Post
    Are these trails marked good, sounds like I will get lost.
    The trails are well marked but the route is hellllllla confusing.

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    Here's a better route for a 3 to 4 hour ride from Saratoga Gap without any road riding or climbing Charcoal road at the end. Enjoy!

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    Thanks for the information. Looks there are miles of trails that I will get totally lost on. May turn into a really long ride.

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    Do the climb!

    Quote Originally Posted by beanbag View Post
    Download this map:
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    In any case, I don't suggest Grizzly Flat or Charcoal Road because those are long miserable uphills.
    WHat? What! The creek crossing at the bottom of Grizzly Flat can be very refreshing... And ditto for the creek crossing before Table Mtn. You get a bit a single track climbing up table mtn, and then the death march begins up charcoal rd. If you just like the pain of climbing, get it here...

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    Charcoal Rd

    I climbed Charcoal Rd last weekend through table mountain trail from the bottom of
    stevens canyon trail, the trailhead is unmarked at the bottom. You get to it by crossing
    over a ditch after the Palo Alto city Limit - having descended from grizzly flat -sign leading
    you to a crossing of stevens creek. You can see a trail beginning just after that, the
    first few sections are very narrow with aggressive switchbacks. Charcoal is definitely
    the most strenuous and torturous of the two climbs with Table Mountain being the sportier
    one. Bring plenty of water, some food and fresh legs. Some people claim to be able to
    ride Table Mountain Trail without unmounting however I find that hard to believe. The
    single track on table mountain is very narrow and full of obstacles, rocks, roots and other
    debris not to mention the possibility of slipping and landing on patches of poison oak !. If
    you add rain/mud to the picture it makes it all the more challenging. I take my time on
    table mountain especially if riding alone, and usually get off the saddle on questionable
    sections where I don't want to risk coming into contact with the evil ivy. Wear long pants
    and sleeves, helmets are required. I have never seen anybody else on these trails (which
    are uphill only for bikes). They can be isolated and lonely. You are out of cell phone range, Get hurt and you are on your own !. So be careful !. After the ride change into a
    fresh set of clothes and bag everything you take off to be washed immediately at home.
    Don't forget to rinse/wash off your bike too !!!.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lrs40708 View Post
    I climbed Charcoal Rd last weekend through table mountain trail from the bottom of
    stevens canyon trail, the trailhead is unmarked at the bottom. You get to it by crossing
    over a ditch after the Palo Alto city Limit - having descended from grizzly flat -sign leading
    you to a crossing of stevens creek. You can see a trail beginning just after that, the
    first few sections are very narrow with aggressive switchbacks. Charcoal is definitely
    the most strenuous and torturous of the two climbs with Table Mountain being the sportier
    one. Bring plenty of water, some food and fresh legs. Some people claim to be able to
    ride Table Mountain Trail without unmounting however I find that hard to believe. The
    single track on table mountain is very narrow and full of obstacles, rocks, roots and other
    debris not to mention the possibility of slipping and landing on patches of poison oak !. If
    you add rain/mud to the picture it makes it all the more challenging. I take my time on
    table mountain especially if riding alone, and usually get off the saddle on questionable
    sections where I don't want to risk coming into contact with the evil ivy. Wear long pants
    and sleeves, helmets are required. I have never seen anybody else on these trails (which
    are uphill only for bikes). They can be isolated and lonely. You are out of cell phone range, Get hurt and you are on your own !. So be careful !. After the ride change into a
    fresh set of clothes and bag everything you take off to be washed immediately at home.
    Don't forget to rinse/wash off your bike too !!!.
    Do you climb singletrack all the way up or is half of it fire road?

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    table Mountain is single track only and most of it is under the trees. Charcoal road is much much wider which is a benefit, however the average grade is much much steeper and parts of it are exposed which are its shortcomings. I would venture to say there are some sections on charcoal that are at least +25% !!. There is a portion of the climb that goes over a fairly heavily eroded section of sandstone with lots of grooves and channels cut into the terrain that need to be negotiated with sufficient momentum especially if tackling them clipped to your pedals. Remounting your bike and pedal clipping from these locations is VERY tricky so it's best to get through them quickly and steadily !. I actually feel more comfortable on charcoal road since it's wide open and has room to maneuver, table mountain is VERY narrow with a lot less margin for error. To get through the table mountain climb in one sitting takes great skill, stamina, balance and good momentum on some of the switchbacks and a few staircases with large protruding roots and rocks. It's a very interesting climb all around providing a sense of adventure by keeping you on your toes and testing your endurance every step of the way !.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lrs40708 View Post
    table Mountain is single track only and most of it is under the trees. Charcoal road is much much wider which is a benefit, however the average grade is much much steeper and parts of it are exposed which are its shortcomings. I would venture to say there are some sections on charcoal that are at least +25% !!. There is a portion of the climb that goes over a fairly heavily eroded section of sandstone with lots of grooves and channels cut into the terrain that need to be negotiated with sufficient momentum especially if tackling them clipped to your pedals. Remounting your bike and pedal clipping from these locations is VERY tricky so it's best to get through them quickly and steadily !. I actually feel more comfortable on charcoal road since it's wide open and has room to maneuver, table mountain is VERY narrow with a lot less margin for error. To get through the table mountain climb in one sitting takes great skill, stamina, balance and good momentum on some of the switchbacks and a few staircases with large protruding roots and rocks. It's a very interesting climb all around providing a sense of adventure by keeping you on your toes and testing your endurance every step of the way !.
    Table Mountain is hiking only and illegal to bikes up or down. Strange but true.

    That's why we all climb and love Charcoal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by francois View Post
    Table Mountain is hiking only and illegal to bikes up or down. Strange but true.

    That's why we all climb and love Charcoal.

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    I ride this all the time and just checked the map. Sorry to tell you but you're wrong. Table Mt. is open to bikes uphill from the bottom up to Charcoal road. From Charcoal Rd. to the top Table Mt. is hiking only. That is where the joy of climbing Charcoal starts.

    I agree with the Op that it is a ***** to get up Table Mt. without a dab, I can't do it. But it is a fun challenging techy climb. Charcoal Rd. is just a steep MotherF'er but a good workout.

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    Interesting, I had to check myself because the opportunity of having one more singletrack trail to ride on in the area legally was really too good to pass up, but alas it is not true....

    Table mtn ROAD is uphill to bikes, and it runs-into becomes Charcoal road. I guess we just know it as Charcoal Road.
    Table mtn TRAIL is the ST running parallel to Table Mtn road, and it is hiking only.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Froride1 View Post
    I ride this all the time and just checked the map. Sorry to tell you but you're wrong. Table Mt. is open to bikes uphill from the bottom up to Charcoal road. From Charcoal Rd. to the top Table Mt. is hiking only. That is where the joy of climbing Charcoal starts.

    I agree with the Op that it is a ***** to get up Table Mt. without a dab, I can't do it. But it is a fun challenging techy climb. Charcoal Rd. is just a steep MotherF'er but a good workout.
    The poster is talking about taking singletrack all the way up. At least that's what I gather.

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    The maps are a little confusing but your right, you can only take the single track up as far as Charcoal Rd. From there on only the fire road is legal.

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    Francois you gather right. As I have said, Table Mountain Trail AND the charcoal Fire Road
    Are UPHILL ONLY for bikes. Look at the maps for yourself I am not making this up.

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    Let me say it again. Table Mountain Trail is SINGLE TRACK, Charcoal Road is NOT SINGLE TRACK. It is a FIRE ROAD. Both of these are UPHILL ONLY for Bike traffic.

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    I think we are all saying the same thing. Table MT trail is single track, open to bikes from the Canyon trail to Charcoal rd and uphill only. Just to be clear, the Table Mt trail is closed to bikes from Charcoal rd up to the Saratoga Gap trail.

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    Agreed Froride.

    Table Mountain is a singletrack that goes from Stevens Canyon to Highway 35. It has two parts, a top and a bottom half. The bottom is legal to bikes but uphill only. The top is completely illegal to bikes. It's hiking only (but it's too far to hike).

    So our common path is climb up Table Mountain, it spits you out in to Charcoal fire road and you continue the climb there to Highway 35. 50 yards after entering Charcoal, you can see the Table Mountain (hiking only) singletrack on the right side.

    Messed up trail system!!!!!

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    Maybe it strikes fear in the heart of most.
    But maybe it's time to start a new thread.
    Similar to the Kennedy climbing show down.
    How about: MTBR TableMtn(Bottom)/CharcoalRd Strava Challenge!!

    Or has this been done before?

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    Quote Originally Posted by normonster View Post
    Maybe it strikes fear in the heart of most.
    But maybe it's time to start a new thread.
    Similar to the Kennedy climbing show down.
    How about: MTBR TableMtn(Bottom)/CharcoalRd Strava Challenge!!

    Or has this been done before?
    I freaking like it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by francois View Post
    I freaking like it.

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    You must be a cyclist.

    It is more fun than Grizzly Flat, stupid boring fireroad. I curse and ***** everytime I dab going up Table Mt. Hopefully, one day I'll get up it without a dab. Charcoal rd is just evil, I'm to busy trying to keep my heart and lungs from exploding to complain much. Good times!

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    Quote Originally Posted by JL de Jong View Post
    Here's a better route for a 3 to 4 hour ride from Saratoga Gap without any road riding or climbing Charcoal road at the end. Enjoy!

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    Any of you locals want to show us Modesto flat landers these trails Saturday morning?

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    Oh well, change of plans for me, looks like can't make it over there until the 30th.

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    I climbed Charcoal yesterday. 18 flies buzzed around me from the bottom of the fire road to the top. It was horrible really. They just pace with you and there's nothing you can do about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mb2boost View Post
    Oh well, change of plans for me, looks like can't make it over there until the 30th.
    Since you haven't been yet, I will suggest a slightly modified route. I've been riding this area since the 1980s. Although I know the many *joys* of Table Mtn and Charcoal Road, I prefer to avoid it on most rides. The South Skyline region is awesome, there is plenty of good riding and many varied loops you can connect. Here is the route that I suggest:

    Start at Monte Bello parking lot on Page Mill Road. Down White Oak and up Skid Road to Skyline Ridge. Either head through the Christmas Tree farm or past Horseshoe Lake to Chestnut Trail. Link to Long Ridge (usually ride up Peters Creek Trail switchbacks on the outbound trip, then back down Long Ridge Road/Trail singletrack on the return leg) and out all the way to Saratoga Gap (Hwy 9 x Hwy 35). Turn around and head back towards Long Ridge (enjoy the views towards the coast from Long Ridge on the return trip). Back out on Chestnut to Skyline Ridge then down Skid Road and up White Oak. The new alignment of White Oak is much easier to climb than the old one.

    This is a good ride, with a number of climbs and a couple of technical sections, you will not be bored. The one benefit of this out-and-back ride is that the ridge in this area tends to slope down to the north (so your return trip will not involve quite as much climbing as the reverse). Many other alternatives exist and can be combined if you have the energy (Russian Ridge/Alpine or Black Mountain/Buena Vista) but I usually find this route to be plenty for a weekend day.

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    Thanks for the info guys. Will be hitting it up on the 30th.

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    Quote Originally Posted by francois View Post
    I climbed Charcoal yesterday. 18 flies buzzed around me from the bottom of the fire road to the top. It was horrible really. They just pace with you and there's nothing you can do about it.
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    I was out there this morning. Holy cow the flies are absolutely terrible. You're right - they pace you while climbing. I ate 3 over the course of the ride, but I didn't even make a dent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jtmartino View Post
    I was out there this morning. Holy cow the flies are absolutely terrible. You're right - they pace you while climbing. I ate 3 over the course of the ride, but I didn't even make a dent.
    It seems to be like that, this time of year. It doesn't matter how fast you climb, you can't get rid of them. The only hope for escape is to hit a downhill section, but different ones are right back on the next climb.

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    wear a bug headnet and ignore the flies

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    So I rode this yesterday!

    I rode from my house near Cupertino/Saratoga to Fremont Older, and then towards Stevens Canyon. I foolishly rode the Tony Look trail to see what the big "no bikes" deal was, and for a while I was pretty upset because it was a nice, wide trail with pretty lake views, but then it split off and wound around the lake with some very difficult switchbacks, delicately built up fences and trail sections, narrow bits next to drop offs, and I felt sufficiently ashamed when I encountered a hiker (and dismounted). I apologized profusely but still felt pretty lame...

    It was one of those things where I thought, I'll just see how long it takes me to get to Redwood Gulch. And then to the Stevens Canyon trailhead, which I'd never ridden past before. And then I thought I'd just ride to the Lower Table Mountain intersection, a trail I HAD climbed before, but having come from Grizzly Flat. At that point I knew I could get up to Four Corners by around the two hour mark. Descend Highway 9 and back to home.

    But that Table Mountain trail is super spooky when you're alone. I had all sorts of visions of mountain lions (but I'm a cat lover, I would protest), rapists, flat tires (I didn't have a 29er tube), hiking out of there in the dark with no lights. I did not clean it but rode it a bit faster than this past summer.

    No flies on Charcoal right now. I feel that pain. Rode the Downieville climb (8 miles) in September with an entourage of about four gnats escorting my FACE up the hill. The whole trail is actually pretty nice, kind of wet but not too much so.

    So, question:

    How much rain has to happen for that lower part of the Stevens Canyon trail to become impassable? The part with the signs that say "TRAIL MAY BE FLOODED." It was somewhat creek-like, because I was alone I dabbed across it, but it's definitely rideable right now.

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    It does feel a bit like toothless hillbilly country climbing Table Mt/Charcoal Rd. but one of my favorite rides. I'm usually more worried about dodging people poaching Table Mt decent than lions and tigers. I haven't cleaned it either, it's a ***** in spots. Once it gets wet it is even harder to clean.

    The creek crossing usually isn't too bad. It can get deep but still ride-able. For me during the winter, it gets to be an issue of how wet and cold my feet are. It is miserable for me riding with wet cold feet. After a big storm it can be fast flowing and I wouldn't attempt crossing it.

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    Table Mtn/Charcoal grade indeed can be a lonely and isolated climb definitely not
    for the faint of heart. Charcoal can be particularly cruel and merciless in the heat of summer
    under the sun. But if pain is what you seek this is the place to get it !. I'd have to agree
    with Froride1, I've biked up/down the canyon where
    passing the creek was easily at knee-deep level, so it's not so much a question of
    getting wet as much as potentially being unsafe to cross if you loose your footing while
    doing so etc if the flow is very heavy.
    What sucks is if you're coming down and can't cross over and have to turn around and
    find another way out. I have never encountered such a situation but would imagine it
    being particularly inconvenient and time consuming. Riding up muddy single-track
    table mountain or even grizzly is probably not too much fun in the pouring rain. But
    you can always just walk your bike ! Be careful out there !.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Christieland View Post
    But that Table Mountain trail is super spooky when you're alone. I had all sorts of visions of mountain lions (but I'm a cat lover, I would protest), rapists, flat tires (I didn't have a 29er tube), hiking out of there in the dark with no lights.
    I did not find Table Mountain particularly spooky, but what is spooky is those dead end trails that descend into a canyon, like Old Page Mill Trail in nearby Skyline OSP. It's an old deserted, overgrown road that nobody seems to use anymore. I was worried I was going to run into a bunch of pot growers at the end, or perhaps other miscreants. If you get injured, nobody will find your body for weeks.

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    Thanks for the words about the creek guys.

    Toothless hillbillies. Pot growers. Lions and tigers. Yeah...when you're alone and climbing as slow as I climb you have a lot of time to ponder the possibilities

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    Anyone know if Saratoga Gap / Long Ridge is open and rideable tomorrow?

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    Quote Originally Posted by paulney View Post
    Anyone know if Saratoga Gap / Long Ridge is open and rideable tomorrow?
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