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    Rocky Ridge @ Santa Teresa Park

    Any tips on getting down it faster? Not sure what other info I should post other than I have an FS bike and at mid-6 minutes now. Would like to break 6 minutes (or less) consistently. I practice up 'n down it from time to time, but not getting much faster. Thanks in advance for any tips.

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    I would suggest going down with someone much faster and follow his line.

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    If you ride early in the morning with out the head wind you will cut down on the time. Sprinting on the flat sections is where you will see the most improvement on time if you are treating this like a TT. Also starting further back from the invisible starting line and sprinting through it will give you a nice rolling start. Other then that I don't think most of us could give you any more advice unless we knew how you were riding the technical sections or how you corner.

    As fun as it is to cut time down on your descent, don't get caught up in it though. If you see people in front of you while you are chasing a PR... slow down! Just let it go and come back another day or time when there is less people and give it a go again. It's all for fun!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2clue View Post
    If you ride early in the morning with out the head wind you will cut down on the time. Sprinting on the flat sections is where you will see the most improvement on time if you are treating this like a TT. Also starting further back from the invisible starting line and sprinting through it will give you a nice rolling start. Other then that I don't think most of us could give you any more advice unless we knew how you were riding the technical sections or how you corner.

    As fun as it is to cut time down on your descent, don't get caught up in it though. If you see people in front of you while you are chasing a PR... slow down! Just let it go and come back another day or time when there is less people and give it a go again. It's all for fun!
    This post is full of excellent info, especially the last part.
    It's also probably one of the worst trails to crash on, you are guaranteed to land in a pile of rocks...

    Lower your seat?

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    First step: lower the seat a little. Second... Follow someone faster. Third, ride something with boingy bits.

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    Don't know about you guys, but I would not push it there without some pads and a full face. And some back protection, at least a backpack... Those rocky bits are kinda sharp to roll over at high rate of speed, if one eats it. I mean, I ride it on a little hardtail, and not particularly slow, but I would not try to go for personal records on this one..

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    Don't do it on a yellow 1986 Rockhopper Comp with cantilever brakes.

    Just don't.

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    Funny how that old cop guy that rides a fairy fart bike flies down that damn trail.

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    Heard that old cop guy is super awesome and people fawn all over him!!! Have also heard he is a giant prick! All I know is that snowjnky wants to be more like him. I might be able to shed some light on this topic. I have done this run full bore on a full DH style bike (santa cruz bullit w/ Boxxer fork) and also on my fairy fart hardtail. It might seem hard to believe but the DH bike was only faster by 10 secs. I also had tube tires when I went fast on the hardtail so was worried about PF's. An earlier poster mentioned pinning it on the flat parts and I think that is the key. Unless we are all Mark Weir types the difference in the tech sections won't be that substantial. You have to gun it right from the start. I actually was doing a bunch of bunny hopping over rocky parts hoping not to PF or go off the trail. Easy to do and you get that pucker factor too. Do this trail a bunch of times before your official try and you'll remember parts and be ready for them.

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    Pin it on the flats and go over the rocks not around them.

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    Going up with no dabs is much more of an accomplishment. But yeah, what everyone else said.
    Can we talk tires now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jdubsl2 View Post
    Pin it on the flats and go over the rocks not around them.
    This. pedal hard up top. get lose on your bike. the art of a 2 inch bunny hop at speed will help you keep a straighter line. Oh yeah and practice.
    last bit of advice is that the trail will always be there so if another user(s) slow you down, imbrace it there is alwyas next time.
    Quote Originally Posted by pmarshall View Post
    Heard that old cop guy is super awesome and people fawn all over him!!! Have also heard he is a giant prick! All I know is that snowjnky wants to be more like him.!
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    Going up with no dabs is much more of an accomplishment. But yeah, what everyone else said.
    ehhh beating Dan's time would make my 2013 . No dabs can be done and once you do it you do it almost every other time. But breaking 5 minutes DH is a feat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by snowjnky View Post
    *advice, goals, advice*
    Yeah... I know your secret weapon, homie.

    Guys, we have a cheater. Mr. Jnky is using a special set-up for RR.


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    just use all the "cheater" lines.

    but that's no fun

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dion View Post
    Yeah... I know your secret weapon, homie.

    Guys, we have a cheater. Mr. Jnky is using a special set-up for RR.

    DUDE you promised
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dion View Post
    Yeah... I know your secret weapon, homie.

    Guys, we have a cheater. Mr. Jnky is using a special set-up for RR.

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    just use all the "cheater" lines.

    but that's no fun
    I call them the fun lines
    Next time I will follow your lines.
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    Quote Originally Posted by snowjnky View Post
    I call them the fun lines
    Next time I will follow your lines.
    I have no lines - I make them as I'm going down

    and I like to coast the boring flat stuff

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dion View Post
    Yeah... I know your secret weapon, homie.

    Guys, we have a cheater. Mr. Jnky is using a special set-up for RR.

    Quote Originally Posted by Acadian View Post
    I have no lines - I make them as I'm going down

    and I like to coast the boring flat stuff
    yes you do.
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    Gopro went dead around the big oak I also stopped to talk to Lporkstaker, but this shows you my "cheater lines" up top <iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/m_atsD1YU-E?list=UUD2duzOruRS3z5adLqAkXww" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
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    For the record, Motorbacon hit his head on a tree branch on RR.

    "What tree branch?" you ask...

    Exactly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dion View Post
    For the record, Motorbacon hit his head on a tree branch on RR.

    "What tree branch?" you ask...

    Exactly.
    That's the same tree where I let Mark Weir and his crew pass. fackers are fast. I was analyzing lines that day, walking up and down. They blew by, and I forgot to watch their lines. That kinda ticked me off, was too busy watching them and not their lines.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IAmHolland View Post
    That's the same tree where I let Mark Weir and his crew pass. fackers are fast. I was analyzing lines that day, walking up and down. They blew by, and I forgot to watch their lines. That kinda ticked me off, was too busy watching them and not their lines.
    That must be the same tree branch where I passed Mark Weir and his crew. I was like, "Hardtail on your left!" I had both earbuds in and was yelling loudly so I know he had to hear me. I remember I was rocking out to Dan Fogelberg "Leader of the band". My contour was videoing the ride and after I got down to the bridge and had time to stretch, Weir finally made it down. He asked me what line do I take and I told him, "I don't look for lines. I look deep inside myself and just feel the trail". The only tip I gave him was to try my advanced technique of closing your eyes every once in a while. I don't suggest this to everyone but saw that he rides pretty well. He looked at me like I was bat sh&t crazy but then he gave it a go. I think he might have set the KOM for the DH on that run. I was right behind him and only passed him once to just set up the camera to capture it. It was a great day. If you believe any of this story, I have a mythical tree branch on RR would like to show you!
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    Pmarshall,

    Please don't wear earbuds, you obviously couldn't hear me yelling "Unicycle behind, let me pass...."

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    Quote Originally Posted by pmarshall View Post
    That must be the same tree branch where I passed Mark Weir and his crew. I was like, "Hardtail on your left!" I had both earbuds in and was yelling loudly so I know he had to hear me. I remember I was rocking out to Dan Fogelberg "Leader of the band". My contour was videoing the ride and after I got down to the bridge and had time to stretch, Weir finally made it down. He asked me what line do I take and I told him, "I don't look for lines. I look deep inside myself and just feel the trail". The only tip I gave him was to try my advanced technique of closing your eyes every once in a while. I don't suggest this to everyone but saw that he rides pretty well. He looked at me like I was bat sh&t crazy but then he gave it a go. I think he might have set the KOM for the DH on that run. I was right behind him and only passed him once to just set up the camera to capture it. It was a great day. If you believe any of this story, I have a mythical tree branch on RR would like to show you!
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    P-Marsh:

    Obviously you flow your whip on the gnar.

    Did you pass Weir because you have a dropper post, wide bars, 650 wheels and flat pedals?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sjhiker View Post
    Pmarshall,

    Please don't wear earbuds, you obviously couldn't hear me yelling "Unicycle behind, let me pass...."
    Hah! I have since learned my lesson. I now just strap a boombox to the handlebars. Really can liven up the sounds you'd otherwise be subjected to in nature. I will say D batteries go get expensive though! This was me in my hiking days.
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    If you do it later in the afternoon, the sun will blind you a bit. I ride it at lunch so much that when I do ride later in the day I am considerably slower due to the vision issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dion View Post
    P-Marsh:

    Obviously you flow your whip on the gnar.

    Did you pass Weir because you have a dropper post, wide bars, 650 wheels and flat pedals?
    My wheels were 651's and I had those fixie bars that are only as wide as my hands. The flat pedals were just the axles because the main pedal bodies had fallen off years ago. Biking is fun. I like to ride my bicycle.
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    I hate to bring this back around since the thread is quite nicely off the tracks at this point, but I would add that fitness plays a huge role. I've timed RR a few times and seem stuck at 5:00. Problem is I put so much energy into pedaling hard the first portion (before the fence) that I'm shot for the last half. Must not be an issue for Weir (and probably alot of you STCP regulars) but seems to be pretty important even on a "DH" run.

    I'd recommend riding in the morning, midweek too - could possibly make it down with slowing for hikers.

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    Make sure you have enough tire...

    I noticed i'm quite a bit faster with 2.5 weirwolf tires vs the 2.0 captains I have now.

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    Man i gotta get off the peninsula and hit up this much talked about trail.

    Hey Op, check out the 'norcal cornering clinic' thread, great advice from lots of folks, took my riding up a step. Another trick is to make a few private strava segments for different parts of the trail and see where you're weaker or stronger compared to the kom's and others. Then, identify what is it about those sections that you're deficient in. Are there off camber corners or hairpin turns where you blow off too much speed? Rocky unstable sections where you slow it down? Short climbs where you might be able to stay in high gear and standing zoom-climb it? Then you can target these areas for practice.

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    Both Rocky Ridge and Stile Ranch require new technique in order to master them fast both up and down, as the recent rains have completely changed them for the worse. Craploads more technical stuff to deal with now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mboldt View Post
    I noticed i'm quite a bit faster with 2.5 weirwolf tires vs the 2.0 captains I have now.
    Hehe, and I cleared it uphill twice with my 3.8s.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pmarshall View Post
    My wheels were 651's and I had those fixie bars that are only as wide as my hands. The flat pedals were just the axles because the main pedal bodies had fallen off years ago. Biking is fun. I like to ride my bicycle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ddprocter View Post
    Man i gotta get off the peninsula and hit up this much talked about trail.

    Hey Op, check out the 'norcal cornering clinic' thread, great advice from lots of folks, took my riding up a step. Another trick is to make a few private strava segments for different parts of the trail and see where you're weaker or stronger compared to the kom's and others. Then, identify what is it about those sections that you're deficient in. Are there off camber corners or hairpin turns where you blow off too much speed? Rocky unstable sections where you slow it down? Short climbs where you might be able to stay in high gear and standing zoom-climb it? Then you can target these areas for practice.
    Don't waste your time dude.. This is a trail system similar to Waterdog, it's a local thing that's really only worth it if you are withing riding distance from the park. Save it for one of those random days where you are in the south bay for work or something otherwise just hit up Demo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leopold Porkstacker View Post
    Both Rocky Ridge and Stile Ranch require new technique in order to master them fast both up and down, as the recent rains have completely changed them for the worse. Craploads more technical stuff to deal with now.
    It's borderline Stile Ranch no dab challenge! The middle has been brutalized.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leopold Porkstacker View Post
    Both Rocky Ridge and Stile Ranch require new technique in order to master them fast both up and down, as the recent rains have completely changed them for the worse. Craploads more technical stuff to deal with now.
    +uno
    Ive never seen it this roached in the 5 yrs of riding it.

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    Go over rocks, as in don't touch them, not plow over them. This is my number one issue, as I love plowing stuff

    Also, it's not steep at all, so pedal pretty much all the time, especially the first part before it gets too technical. That's the other place I lose time is cruising when I should be pedaling. Having not utilized these tips, I'm about 7 minutes, including passing a couple hikers.

    Also, last time I was out there I saw PM throwing his Garmin down the trail to pick up time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dion View Post
    It's borderline Stile Ranch no dab challenge! The middle has been brutalized.
    Had to dab it on the SS last weekend. It mostly came down to crappy line choice...

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    Quote Originally Posted by rho View Post
    Had to dab it on the SS last weekend. It mostly came down to crappy line choice...

    Sent by smoke signal.
    I almost dabbed due to a small 1" rock. The sucker spun out under me, throwing balance and power into the wrong direction and a bad line.
    Stiles IMO is more difficult overall. The entire thing can be challenging, while RR has 4 tough sections.

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    Quote Originally Posted by d-bug View Post
    I almost dabbed due to a small 1" rock. The sucker spun out under me, throwing balance and power into the wrong direction and a bad line.
    Stiles IMO is more difficult overall. The entire thing can be challenging, while RR has 4 tough sections.
    Stiles pretty smooth now, it's just a few sections that you turn right into at the end of the switchbacks that are troublesome. I'd actually say it's easier to climb then RR.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StuLax18 View Post
    Go over rocks, as in don't touch them, not plow over them. This is my number one issue, as I love plowing stuff

    Also, it's not steep at all, so pedal pretty much all the time, especially the first part before it gets too technical. That's the other place I lose time is cruising when I should be pedaling. Having not utilized these tips, I'm about 7 minutes, including passing a couple hikers.

    Also, last time I was out there I saw PM throwing his Garmin down the trail to pick up time.
    My Garmin was on a fishing pole and I call it casting! It is a good way to pic a few extra seconds on a segment. The only hard part is to explain the sudden burst of speed. I chalk it up to GPS errors!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leopold Porkstacker View Post
    Both Rocky Ridge and Stile Ranch require new technique in order to master them fast both up and down, as the recent rains have completely changed them for the worse. Craploads more technical stuff to deal with now.
    Yup- the rains did a number on the bottom of RR for sure. There's a rut at the bottom that will swallow your axel if you're not paying attention. The damage to Stiles isn't as substantial.

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    Have you gone to wider bars/shorter stem yet? I recently switched to 780/50 (although I might chop the bars a bit) and have been really impressed how much more stable the bike is in chunk. Confidence = Speed!
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    Quote Originally Posted by hairylegs View Post
    Yup- the rains did a number on the bottom of RR for sure. There's a rut at the bottom that will swallow your axel if you're not paying attention. The damage to Stiles isn't as substantial.
    Well it rained all day today in South SJ... So now I'm not so worried about having my front axle swallowed up as I am losing my front fork and possibly brake levers...

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