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    Pump Track - Scotts Valley

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    The bicycle community has requested that the Parks and Recreation Commission consider construction of a “pump track” similar to the one in Aptos. One of the favored locations being considered is the vacant area just to the right of the tennis courts in Skypark.



    There is full City Council support and Parks and Recreation support. This public meeting is about location, and whatever else the public would like to state.

    Currently there is a small group who does not want the Pump track near the Tennis courts who are worried about traffic and parking problems, even though there is more than ample parking near the skate park about 1/4 mile away.

    The Area next to the Tennis Courts was chosen for a permanent Pump Track.

    Details will be presented at the meeting. If you have other questions please contact the Public Works Department at (831) 438-5854 or tmcgrath@scottsvalley.org.


    Thursday, June 6th, 2013
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    My 2 year old daughter at the Epicenter PT in Aptos.
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    Wow! That is such good news, especially with the Aptos track closing. Just about every time I've ridden at Aptos--or even Calabazas--it's filled with kids/families having a blast like your daughter. Please let us know what we can do to help. Do you need bodies (non-residents) at the meeting?
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    Looking on the map, it seems like this is a private tennis area for the neighborhood, since you have to drive through it to get there. Not surprising that people are going to complain about parking and stuff. I'm guessing the best plan would be to park near the skate park like you said, and then ride the path up there.
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    I will be at the meeting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StuLax18 View Post
    Looking on the map, it seems like this is a private tennis area for the neighborhood, since you have to drive through it to get there. Not surprising that people are going to complain about parking and stuff. I'm guessing the best plan would be to park near the skate park like you said, and then ride the path up there.
    Hey Stulax18,

    Actually, the tennis courts are public as is are all amenities in SkyPark. The reasons this area jumps out as #1 is a) permanent, b) land is already 'slotted' for this type of development and most importantly c) location.

    Many families hang out in SkyPark for soccer, laCrosse, dog shows, ultimate Frisbee, 4th of July, Beer festival, wine festival, etc...it has 2 playgrounds, dog park, a NICE skatepark, tennis courts, basketball, running path, etc....

    here's a map where you can park and ride to the pump track if the tennis lot is full (it's really like a 1/10 of mile away)

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    Quote Originally Posted by CHUM View Post
    Hey Stulax18,

    Actually, the tennis courts are public as is are all amenities in SkyPark. The reasons this area jumps out as #1 is a) permanent, b) land is already 'slotted' for this type of development and most importantly c) location.

    Many families hang out in SkyPark for soccer, laCrosse, dog shows, ultimate Frisbee, 4th of July, Beer festival, wine festival, etc...it has 2 playgrounds, dog park, a NICE skatepark, tennis courts, basketball, running path, etc....

    here's a map where you can park and ride to the pump track if the tennis lot is full (it's really like a 1/10 of mile away)
    That's good that it's all public area. Hopefully people will be smart about it and park there to avoid any conflict. I'm just looking at it and envisioning the usual homeowners complaining about trucks with bikes tearing through their quiet neighborhood. Just covering all the bases because even though I might never ride this, I want to see it built as another win for the bike community.
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    Curious how this got this going. There is this huge plot of land just at the start of St. Joes that never gets used that would be perfect for a pump track. I think it's owned by SJ Water and I know someone there but Midpen is somehow involved also. I always wanted to broach the idea of building a pump track here (open, easy access, water supply, etc) but not sure where to start or if it's even worth it. See yellow patch at end of Jones Road. Does anyone have any literature on what it takes to build, maintain, and why it's good for the park system? If it's drawn up as a proposal already, prevents me from having to rewrite the wheel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by squashyo View Post
    Curious how this got this going. There is this huge plot of land just at the start of St. Joes that never gets used that would be perfect for a pump track. I think it's owned by SJ Water and I know someone there but Midpen is somehow involved also. I always wanted to broach the idea of building a pump track here (open, easy access, water supply, etc) but not sure where to start or if it's even worth it. See yellow patch at end of Jones Road. Does anyone have any literature on what it takes to build, maintain, and why it's good for the park system? If it's drawn up as a proposal already, prevents me from having to rewrite the wheel.
    Using privately owned land works fer sure - but is trickier. There needs to be an agreement with the landowner and the city/county/parks to lease that land for $xx per year and take on full liability. It's how the PT at Epicenter in Aptos was built (GREAT Pump Track there).

    Also, on public/city owned land it depends what the lands intended purpose is for...and where the money came form to purchase it. Changing those plans is tricky and time consuming. There was another spot in Scotts Valley I liked but was turned down by City Council because it was planned for high density housing, not for public recreation.

    As far as proposing a PT in your neighborhood simply contact the local Parks and Rec department and start a dialogue. I have a 'generic' presentation you can use.

    The best thing you can do to advance these little bike parks is to shed the image of the 'gonzo' MTB'r when proposing this idea. Focus solely on family fun, little kids fun, safety and healthy outdoor recreation. The image of MTB'rs in full armor jumping off cliffs is pretty ingrained....and not too many public staff members will be enthused about promoting that image.

    Private funding helps
    Build in an observable area helps
    Water and restrooms nearby helps
    Getting Police on board helps
    Pictures of parents and kids riding together helps
    Emphatically stating the PT's are NOT jump parks helps

    I started this process in SV over 2 years ago by simply requesting a Pump track for our city....all very casual in the beginning and took literally 10 minutes to plant the idea (there's been a lot more work since then )
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    CHUM, thanks for all the time and effort you've put into this. It will be great to have a local PT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CRUZe View Post
    CHUM, thanks for all the time and effort you've put into this. It will be great to have a local PT.
    I want to second that. Thank you CHUM for your leadership on this pump track project! It's very much appreciated and

    We have a lot of support for this project from MBoSC and the bike industry in Scotts Valley. Once we get the approval the funding, construction and maintenance should not be a problem.

    Our biggest challenge is to mitigate the concerns of the local community and the neighbors. Their concerns could be summarized as:

    * Dust and blowing dirt
    * Traffic and parking
    * Noise
    * Attracting undesirable elements

    It would be great if we have answers for all those points. I'll try to write some talking points and post it to this thread.

    I plan to attend the meeting on June 6th at 6 pm.

    It would be great to have SLV and SJ residents with families who regularly ride at the Epicenter pump track in Aptos come and speak about how valuable and family friendly pump tracks are. Even better if you know any pump track folks in Scotts Valley who would support this then let them know about this meeting (and this thread). All Skypark residents received a mailer about this meeting.

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    We the people ... Pump track mailer for Skypark residents

    I would like to add that the Scotts Valley City Council had unanimously approved to move forward with the pump track process at their May 15th meeting.

    Thank you CHUM, MBoSC, Easton Bell Sports and Action Sports Construction for attending that city council meeting and setting the stage for this public process.

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    If you can't make it to the meeting but would like to comment, email addresses..... der. See below from MrToadSC
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    Quote Originally Posted by kattrap View Post
    If you can't make it to the meeting but would like to comment, email addresses for SV City Council members is here: City of Scotts Valley: City Council
    Thank you for the note kattrap! However, the City Council already unanimously supports this project so it may be constructive to provide your feedback to the SV Public Works Admin Trish McGrath tmcgrath@scottsvalley.org

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    She will probably summarize the public comments from email and at the Thursday meeting for and provide this as a report to the City Council.

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    I think the picture of the 2 year old is awesome, and sends a great message. Another picture that I think sends a great message is the 12-15 year old sitting in line on their bike, with the parent sitting right next to them on their bike both waiting for their turn. This particular picture shows parents involvement in their kids lives at one of the most impressionable times. There are an uncountable number of things that the 12-15 year old is not getting involved in because the parent or some other responsible figure is there with them at the PT.

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    This always sounds creepy, but watching the younger kids push themselves around a PT is one of the happiest bike related things I've ever seen. Can't help but smile.
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    Conceptual pump track renderings

    Alex Fowler of Action Sport Construction provided me with a bunch of conceptual rendering of the Scotts Valley pump track.

    DISCLAIMER: These images are meant to convey the idea of the pump track and does not reflect the actual design. The layout and working area are incorrect.

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    I plan to visit the tennis courts after work today to walk around and get a sense of the space.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrtoadsc View Post
    Thank you for the note kattrap! However, the City Council already unanimously supports this project so it may be constructive to provide your feedback to the SV Public Works Admin Trish McGrath tmcgrath@scottsvalley.org

    City of Scotts Valley: Public Works

    She will probably summarize the public comments from email and at the Thursday meeting for and provide this as a report to the City Council.
    Bump for tonight. Let's get another pump track built!
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    OK - here's the skinny.

    First of all - THANK YOU FOR ATTENDING!!!!! It makes a super HUGE difference. These decisions are made by the people who show up at these meetings...

    Around 50+ attended....of all ages...many residents of Skypark and cyclists.

    27 people spoke with a 3 minute time limit.

    It was very clear that Skypark residents do not want a PT near the tennis courts...Their primary concern was parking (that has been exasperated by a local Dodgeball league making them crazy).

    It was also very clear that they had absolutely no problem with the idea of a pump track. In fact the concept of pump track being a positive amenity in the community was widely accepted.

    It was also generally noted that an area behind a dog park (in Skypark) would be a good location, albeit temporary (a new Town center is supposed to be built there....but that's going to take many years to happen).

    With 2 of the 3 Commissioners moving to revisit finding a new location (which would take a LONG time) I brought up the idea of constructing the Pump Track behind the dogpark as a type of community education project and motioned that we advise the City Council on the positive impact it would bring to Scotts Valley.

    I am finding, when working with the public, that I have taken for granted the breadth of knowledge I have on the 'real' impacts of MTB culture. There are many out there who still feed on FUD (Fear Uncertainty and Doubt) and think we are all hooligans out running over rabbits and squirrels and launching off cliffs.

    This project will go a long way in removing much of that FUD from the public.

    Sorry to disappoint, but there was no way I could advance this project in the proposed location.

    Pic of new proposed area behind dog park on Skypark:
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    And here's a shot of the approx size of the Epicenter Aptos PT for reference:
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    Hey...I'll be out Mid July for a couple weeks...have it finished by then will ya? lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by WaveDude View Post
    Hey...I'll be out Mid July for a couple weeks...have it finished by then will ya? lol

    * makes mental note to screw with 'WaveDude' in the near future *

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    Chum - Is it too late to send a letter in support to the address Mark (aka Mr toad) put on here? Sorry, I am late to respond to this. I guess I didn't know enough about that neighborhood to offer any intelligent comment on how to mitigate their concerns. I wasn't sure, but so in the end, they voted to look for another location? And I couldn't really tell from your post if the area next to the dog park is worth advocating for or not? i.e. what should I write?
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    Quote Originally Posted by shredchic View Post
    Chum - Is it too late to send a letter in support to the address Mark (aka Mr toad) put on here? Sorry, I am late to respond to this. I guess I didn't know enough about that neighborhood to offer any intelligent comment on how to mitigate their concerns. I wasn't sure, but so in the end, they voted to look for another location? And I couldn't really tell from your post if the area next to the dog park is worth advocating for or not? i.e. what should I write?
    Hey There shredchic!

    There was discussion on how to mitigate the parking/traffic issues....but some recent dodgeball league has left a very sour taste in the residents mouths by running stop signs, parking all over the damn place and littering. It was by my count less in favor of the tennis court location than for the location.

    Ultimately I motioned that the P&R Commission advise the City Council that a PT behind the dog park would not only mitigate parking/traffic issues in the neighborhood, but allow for the SV 'non biking' community to view in plain sight the positive impact of a PT. The area behind the dog park is easily accessed, and there is plenty of parking.

    The other 2 attending Commissioners agreed and the motion was passed. Just as an FYI, the other 2 Commissioners were not on board after hearing the public with having the PT next to the tennis courts. I had made the dogpark area suggestion based on many public comments, and to not stall the process any further.

    Having to meet about a 'new' location, then meet about our findings, then tour the locations, then get back on the City Councils agenda to get approval, then have another public meeting, then advise the city council would take a very, very long time. That and there are not very many public spots zoned for this type of recreation in SV (currently).

    Now that we have a "public approved" (public input) direction, and P&R Commission support we bypass many of the aforementioned hurdles.

    It looks like the PT will be added to the City Council's agenda for July 17 (though not set in stone yet). I will then put my 'advocate' hat back on and try to convince the City Council this is a better plan.

    Overall there is heavy community support for a PT...and for the location behind the dogpark. The one primary 'hink' is that the City Council will not be too keen on having this built on land slotted for development (which will be years from now). They want to avoid any whining, *****ing, moaning when it will have to come down.

    So please, write the to the address above in support of a public PT in Scotts Valley, and for the location behind the dog park.

    I will notify everyone for the City Council meeting and supply times, location and email addresses later.


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    No worries, thanks for all the info - I read it all - yes it does sound very complicated! Such is life being a human trying to cooperate with a bunch of other humans. I will write them then!
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    Heydee hoe good neighbors, just showing up here to subscribe and make sure I don’t miss any more info about this proposed pump track!

    I noticed the June 6 meeting flyer at the Aptos PT too late to make it, but sure was happy to see something is in the works, then a little web searching landed me here.

    My son and I have been making the trek out from Scotts Valley to the Aptos PT a lot lately, such good fun, I want to help get a track in Scotts Valley!

    Big thanks to those who’ve been working towards this (Chum and Toad and all)!
    Please keep us posted on what we can do to help

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    As a resident of Skypark I do understand my closer-to-the-tennis-courts neighbors concerns (mainly parking and traffic - it's a *tight* neighborhood parking and traffic-wise and absolutely FILLED with kids).

    Many of us residents have been a huge advocates and financial sponsors of the Tim Brauch Memorial skatepark and despite the many protests from SV residents (and subsequently many nuisances like vandalism, graffiti, littering since it opened), still believe that we should have as many opportunities for kids, adults and families to have fun as possible. And we're all for a pump track where it makes sense - so don't think that it's a mtn bike culture thing - many of us ride the quarter mile to Henry Cowell daily haha. It's a traffic and parking thing, plain and simple.

    For clarification, the plan for the Town Center development is now nearing 15 years in age and is just slightly closer to being a reality than it was 15 years ago (the City has bought some of the pieces of land, etc). But the Town Center is still years and years away (and about $45M) from being realized. Aside from an annual circus, 4th of July and event overflow parking, the huge empty area behind AND adjacent to the dogpark are obvious better fits. I would think that there should be plenty of room for a pump track (or two) not just behind the dog park but also to the side of it. So while this may get deemed a "temporary" use for the site, remember the dog park is also considered temporary and is now what, 8 years young?

    Please don't let the change of location throw us, folks - we want a track and this could be a great and (in all reality long-term) solution!

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    Behind the dog park, not next to the little dog area.
    Although would those bike hooligans ride their bikes next to the little dog area scaring Fluffy? The skatepark area is pretty separate
    Would you be able to see the pumptrack from Mt Hermon if it was behind the dog park? It could bring in SLV folks or otherwise outside mtb'ers heading up through Felton who otherwise wouldn't visit SV.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kattrap View Post
    Behind the dog park, not next to the little dog area.
    Although would those bike hooligans ride their bikes next to the little dog area scaring Fluffy? The skatepark area is pretty separate
    Would you be able to see the pumptrack from Mt Hermon if it was behind the dog park? It could bring in SLV folks or otherwise outside mtb'ers heading up through Felton who otherwise wouldn't visit SV.


    Mini dogs would not be scared....kids ride by there all the time to get to the micro-system of trails behind the dogpark. It's already being utilized by kids....although it absolutely NEEDS to be rebuilt.

    And pretty sure you cannot see that area from Mt. Herman....you can see part of the dogpark and the skatepark fence (from what I recall).

    The area behind the dogpark is big enough to draw cyclists in from other communities. The area beside the Tennis Court, I believe, would not be a 'destination' PT...but more of a local Skypark residents and families coming to Skypark anyway scenario (think Soccer, LaCrosse, simply visiting, etc..)
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    I would love to see a HUGE track - and there's plenty of space for it behind and next to the dog park. I'd bet there's some kind of weird lot lines / zoning restrictions R&Rs that run through the huge waste of used-to-be-airport-runway, but the City really ought to utilize it...

    First and foremost on THEIR minds will be liability. Does anyone know if there were any issues with Aptos or other city-sponsored PTs and liability? People *will* get hurt and sue, so I wonder if there's some blanket liability provision for PTs, like skateparks received across CA ten(+/-) years ago...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Makakio View Post
    I would love to see a HUGE track - and there's plenty of space for it behind and next to the dog park. I'd bet there's some kind of weird lot lines / zoning restrictions R&Rs that run through the huge waste of used-to-be-airport-runway, but the City really ought to utilize it...

    First and foremost on THEIR minds will be liability. Does anyone know if there were any issues with Aptos or other city-sponsored PTs and liability? People *will* get hurt and sue, so I wonder if there's some blanket liability provision for PTs, like skateparks received across CA ten(+/-) years ago...
    Concerning Aptos PT - that was an agreement between a private landowner and the County of Santa Cruz (almost positive on that)

    Concerning Scotts Valley - there is no issue....it's the same liability as the skate park

    As for other city Pump Tracks - I don't know of any city owned PT's in Santa Cruz County


    That whole area where the town center will be built is in parts owned by Scotts Valley, but most of which is owned by the city of Santa Cruz. The area behind the dog park is one of the parts owned by Scotts Valley.
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    Chum: do you think there's enough room behind the dog park for a decent PT? Is it really a solution? Or are we as residents better off trying to get into one of the other identified sites with more space (like Erba Ln - site "D" on this proposal: http://www.scottsvalley.org/download...5-13.Item1.pdf)?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Makakio View Post
    Chum: do you think there's enough room behind the dog park for a decent PT? Is it really a solution? Or are we as residents better off trying to get into one of the other identified sites with more space (like Erba Ln - site "D" on this proposal: http://www.scottsvalley.org/download...5-13.Item1.pdf)?
    There is more space behind the dog park, and yes it is a solution....but not a 'permanent' solution that the City Council is looking for.

    The area next to the Tennis Courts also works very, very well - that is why it is currently the City Council's #1 choice.

    Erba ln is a non-starter from my POV. That land was purchased by $$ for high density housing as pointed out by SV City Staff during the Council meeting.

    The only other identified space is where the Al Shugart park would be relocated - but in it's current state it is an inappropriate location for a PT. That Park will be developed around the same time the Town Center comes to fruition.

    If City Council can be convinced that the area behind the dog park is a better solution (meaning no headache for them later when it gets taken down) I personally think it would work GREAT! And I will advocate for that.

    The tricky part is getting/locating a new place for the PT (there aren't any other places I can find)....which we would have time to do if it's constructed behind the dog park.

    It also gives the SV community time to embrace the positive aspects of these mini bike parks...something Aptos has already figured out.

    Please note: I lived in Skypark for almost 3 years and understand the traffic/noise/parking environment. Skypark is a vibrant and very active area in Santa Cruz county - the addition of a small PT by the Tennis Courts would have really a minimal effect on the community (in my personal opinion) as it's size dictates that it would not be a 'destination' activity...more of a 'convenience' activity to local residents/kids and current people visiting the park.

    The dodge ball league causing a ruckus 1 evening a week is not indicative of the type of 'rush' use that an event driven activity has. There is no specific event/times for people to enjoy the PT....just show up during park hours and ride for a bit.
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    We the people ... Scotts Valley City Council meeting 6 pm Wed Aug 21 to consider dog park location

    Greetings folks,

    The Scotts Valley temporary pump track in Sky Park near the Dog Park will be considered as part of the 6 pm Wed Aug 21st City Council agenda:

    http://www.scottsvalley.org/download...-13.Agenda.pdf

    We support this location and the temporary nature of the Scotts Valley pump track. There is a lot of space and it's easily accessible for riders and equipment. See the attached image for the considered location and its context. We figure that we will get about 3-5 years of use from this location (perhaps more).

    Please consider attending this Wed at 6 pm (1 Civic Center Drive Scotts Valley, CA 95066) if you want to see a temporary pump track at Sky Park. If you cannot attend then consider providing written comments in support of the pump track by posting to the email link referenced here:

    City of Scotts Valley: City Council

    The focus of our comments should be to support the temporary location near the dog park. You do not need to explain to the Council about pump tracks since they have been educated about them.

    Some talking points:

    • We support the temporary track in Sky Park near the dog park. It's a highly visible location close to parking and restrooms and other park facilities. Explain other reasons why you feel the location is excellent (i.e, no neighbor conflict or parking issues).
    • We recognize that this location is temporary and are willing to relinquish this pump track as required by the needs of the Scotts Valley Town Center.
    • Pump tracks are made of dirt and the overhead of building and dismantling them is not high. We will get several years of enjoyment from this location.
    • The mountain biking community/industry/retail is willing to help with the funding, construction and maintenance of the track. Kudos if you can represent a company or shop who can commit resources for this construction effort.


    Once we can get the approval, we will start to the planning to build this track. We have the resources lined up. When it opens we will start to gather support for a permanent public bike park in the County.

    Please forward this message to supporters of the Scotts Valley pump track.

    Thank you all and I'll see you Wed at 6 pm in Scotts Valley!

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    mrtoadsc is spot on - this is the final push for approval in a process that has taken well over 2 years.

    The new location is prime for access, size and visibility - it really is the perfect space so a community can easily see, learn and hopefully participate. Once the community has experienced the positives aspects of a local PT, getting bike parks in the future will be MUCH easier

    So PLEASE - send an email to the City Council...it becomes part of public record...and ATTEND if you can.

    All it takes to stop this process is a few 'obstructionists'....Your emails make that WAY harder for them.

    Your attendance makes it impossible for the vocal minority to take over these proceedings.
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    Email sent. Will try and make the meeting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CHUM View Post
    mrtoadsc is spot on - this is the final push for approval in a process that has taken well over 2 years.

    The new location is prime for access, size and visibility - it really is the perfect space so a community can easily see, learn and hopefully participate. Once the community has experienced the positives aspects of a local PT, getting bike parks in the future will be MUCH easier

    So PLEASE - send an email to the City Council...it becomes part of public record...and ATTEND if you can.

    All it takes to stop this process is a few 'obstructionists'....Your emails make that WAY harder for them.

    Your attendance makes it impossible for the vocal minority to take over these proceedings.
    Bumping up this thread with CHUM's call for action. Perhaps a beer, a bite and a debriefing at Malone's after the meeting. See you tonight!

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    Sent an email to these cats and even got a response!

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    Pump Track - Scotts Valley

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    Awesome! Thanks for your relentless efforts, CHUM. You played a pivotal role in this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CHUM View Post
    Scott's Valley pump track approved!
    That is totally awesome Nick. GREAT JOB!

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    Hook, line and sinker. Congrats. Great job ole chum.

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    Nice work, Chum, aka the Scotts Valley Parks & Rec Council Chairman ! And also Mr Toad!
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    Quote Originally Posted by shredchic View Post
    Nice work, Chum, aka the Scotts Valley Parks & Rec Council Chairman !


    Commissioner...not Chairman - I am a little tiny fish.

    Eric Seib is the Chair of the Commission

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    Hilltromper article on the various pump track projects in Santa Cruz county - including the Scotts Valley pump track.

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    Now we just have to build them

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    Scott's Valley pump track approved!
    So when do we show up with the kids and our shovels to start digging?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smb831 View Post
    So when do we show up with the kids and our shovels to start digging?
    shooting for early March. City Staff is enthusiastic and is working towards the March build.

    We have already presented to the PRC (Project review Committee) and have consensus from Fire, Police, Planing, Water and Public Works.

    This goes to the Planning Commission in Mid Feb
    Then it goes through another meeting with City Council
    Then finally it goes to the Oversight Board for permit approval (late Feb).

    Once Oversight gives the OK we are god to go....on the approval end of things.

    MBoSC has been working diligently with local business and the public gathering the financial commitments required to build this 14,0000 sq ft Pump Track....and it's looking very, very good.
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    Sounds great! Thanks for the info. Please keep us all posted on the progress

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    Quote Originally Posted by CHUM View Post
    shooting for early March. City Staff is enthusiastic and is working towards the March build.

    We have already presented to the PRC (Project review Committee) and have consensus from Fire, Police, Planing, Water and Public Works.

    This goes to the Planning Commission in Mid Feb
    Then it goes through another meeting with City Council
    Then finally it goes to the Oversight Board for permit approval (late Feb).

    Once Oversight gives the OK we are god to go....on the approval end of things.

    MBoSC has been working diligently with local business and the public gathering the financial commitments required to build this 14,0000 sq ft Pump Track....and it's looking very, very good.
    Has there been any progress on this? Are there going to be any volunteer days?

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    I just dropped off plans not more than an hour ago.

    I am guessing there will be volunteer days

    I'll let everyone know the breaking round dates as soon as I get them

    thanks!
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    Good news on the SV pump track, pleased to see these kind of ventures getting the required backing and approval!

    Quote Originally Posted by squashyo View Post
    Curious how this got this going. There is this huge plot of land just at the start of St. Joes that never gets used that would be perfect for a pump track. I think it's owned by SJ Water and I know someone there but Midpen is somehow involved also. I always wanted to broach the idea of building a pump track here (open, easy access, water supply, etc) but not sure where to start or if it's even worth it. See yellow patch at end of Jones Road. Does anyone have any literature on what it takes to build, maintain, and why it's good for the park system? If it's drawn up as a proposal already, prevents me from having to rewrite the wheel.
    Did the idea of a pump track at St. Joe's ever get anywhere?
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    +1. Cannot get any info out of SV Cycle Sport either. What's up?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Makakio View Post
    +1. Cannot get any info out of SV Cycle Sport either. What's up?
    Nothing is up.

    Plans were submitted today as well as the grading permit application. Building Commission(?) will review shortly.

    If there is anything that requires any additional clarification/info I'll be notified.

    I work in town now and can spin by their offices easily.

    Once everything passes/green light then Volunteer days will appear

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    Sweet! Can't wait to get out there and help muscle it into shape.

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    And hopefully that reply doesn't take 5 hours to actually post to the thread like my last one!

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    Any update on this???

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    rumor has it the Pump Track will be approved tonight.

    MBoSC attended a Scotts Valley Town Center meeting and openly discussed with the developer our communities concern about the delay.

    The Developer assured 'us' that they were not stalling the project. City Staff then (in a side discussion I believe) stated it was going to be approved this evening during the City Council meeting.

    I'm supposed to receive a call tonight.

    I'll update tomorrow morning whether I heard anything or not.
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    As CHUM mentioned, we hope approval will be soon. He will update us on the outcome from the City.

    We are aligning our resources to begin construction when we get the final approval. We have a tentative date for the start of construction.

    This pump track project will be temporary until the Scotts Valley Town Center begins construction. I spoke with the Development Manager at the Town Center meeting yesterday and he guesses we will get at least 30 months out of the temporary pump track until construction commences. However, we can get more time from this PT due to the inevitable delays in design and construction planning. Currently, there is no design for the town center and they are in the public input phase.

    BTW, This is the website of the Scotts Valley town center project: Scotts Valley Town Center |

    BELL Sports and FOX in Scotts Valley have contributed financially to this project (thank you! thank you!) but we are still raising money for this project. Scotts Valley Cycle Sport is hosting drawing for a bike for donations to the pump track project. You can donate online or in person at Scotts Valley Cycle sport.

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    Got the agreement with the City this eve.

    We can start as soon as I sign it and email it back.

    yay.
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    Great news! We need more pump tracks everywhere

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    Quote Originally Posted by CHUM View Post
    Got the agreement with the City this eve.

    We can start as soon as I sign it and email it back.

    yay.
    Fantastic! I'll pull the trigger on the digger. Tentative construction start date: Monday August 4th!!

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    Good job guys! Trying to do the same up here in Marin. Not easy but so worth it.

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    Yay! Nice work guys!

    I'm looking forward to winning that P2...
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    Awesome! Thanks for all your hard work!

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    another hold up.

    language in the agreement named me liable for anything that 'arose' from the construction of the Pump Track....meaning I could get sued if someone injured themselves a year from now because they think it was constructed improperly.

    that, and the requirement for me to purchase an undetermined amount of insurance before construction started.

    sorry y'all - the City is playing games.

    I don't see this PT getting built without a lot of hollering about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CHUM View Post
    another hold up.

    language in the agreement named me liable for anything that 'arose' from the construction of the Pump Track....meaning I could get sued if someone injured themselves a year from now because they think it was constructed improperly.

    that, and the requirement for me to purchase an undetermined amount of insurance before construction started.

    sorry y'all - the City is playing games.

    I don't see this PT getting built without a lot of hollering about it.
    Every time I get my hopes up things seem to go the wrong way. I was so excited about the San Jose bike park at Lake Cunningham that project fell of the face of the earth. I thought this Scotts Valley PT would be my next closest PT to my house now this doesn't sound so good.
    Lets hope you can rearrange the language in the agreement so your not liable . I bet when you were reading that you were pretty shocked. I would help you with the hollering but I am old school Italian and its not a pretty thing when we start hollering.
    Hang in there I know you will come through for us !
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    Quote Originally Posted by mark59 View Post
    Every time I get my hopes up things seem to go the wrong way. I was so excited about the San Jose bike park at Lake Cunningham that project fell of the face of the earth. I thought this Scotts Valley PT would be my next closest PT to my house now this doesn't sound so good.
    Lets hope you can rearrange the language in the agreement so your not liable . I bet when you were reading that you were pretty shocked. I would help you with the hollering but I am old school Italian and its not a pretty thing when we start hollering.
    Hang in there I know you will come through for us !
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    game on....

    started today.

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    sweeeeeet!!!!

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    That's sweet. How did things change to make this happen from your last update?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buzzaro View Post
    That's sweet. How did things change to make this happen from your last update?
    I threw a hissy fit...

    stamped my feet..

    then held my breath...



    Actually a buddy of mine who works for SVPD took the ball and ran with it after I did the aforementioned...it took him like 12 hours to get things straight.

    I owe him a few beers
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    Awesome! Congrats Chum!
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    Great news ! Nice work Chum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CHUM View Post
    game on....

    started today.

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    Excellent, I am mere minutes from there!
    Why the change from the tennis court location?

    Dig days/volunteer schedule yet?
    I have a very "pumped" 6 year old who likes to throw dirt and is ready to get his shred on....

    Stoked on the SV!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ARider View Post
    Excellent, I am mere minutes from there!
    Why the change from the tennis court location?

    Dig days/volunteer schedule yet?
    I have a very "pumped" 6 year old who likes to throw dirt and is ready to get his shred on....

    Stoked on the SV!
    Moved from the tennis courts due to local residents unhappiness about it.

    Give SV Cycle Sport a ring about maintenance

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    Pump Track  - Scotts Valley-pt-progress.jpg

    4 days in and looking great

    Track will extend all the way to the end of the fence and will stop about 6' from the fence to leave a walkway.

    going to be a BIG track
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    Quote Originally Posted by CHUM View Post
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    4 days in and looking great

    Track will extend all the way to the end of the fence and will stop about 6' from the fence to leave a walkway.

    going to be a BIG track
    That is awesome. Let us know if you are having any volunteer days! When do you expect to complete it by?

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    looking sweet y'all

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    Did this open today? How does it ride? Is it worth the trip over from the peninsula to check it out?

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    That's effn awesome!! Well done CHUM, well done!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by fitnessgeek View Post
    Did this open today? How does it ride? Is it worth the trip over from the peninsula to check it out?
    I think it will be a little while before it is open. It looked like that ^ on Friday.

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    Pump Track  - Scotts Valley-pt-alex.jpg

    as of Saturday...

    Photo by Alex Fowler of Action Sports Construction....

    He put this monster up in 6 days
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    Quote Originally Posted by chum View Post
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    as of saturday...

    Photo by alex fowler of action sports construction....

    He put this monster up in 6 days
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    wha?! nice, chum.

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    now I want to go to Scotts Valley...looks great!

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    Rode here today for the first time. Huge props to Chum for maximum effort to get this finally built but I have to post an honest opinion. I know it was a pro company who came up with the layout and built it, but it's really bad. Too much crammed I to the area. It seems like it was rushed and never flow checked. Everyone I saw so show was gone 3 laps later. There is a really sweet mid sized 3 pack down the left line of the starting hill with little to no chance of ever producing enough speed to clear anything.

    The westside tiny pump track is so much smaller but so much worth the extra drive for something that actually works and rides.

    They opened Scott's Valley too soon after build. They should have gated it off and watered and packed for another week or two. Everything is crumbling and chunky. Rush job with poor design.

    Sorry guys cause I'm sure everyone will come and tear me apart now. I have ridden a dozen pump tracks in the last couple months and this place is worse than Calabazas. They should have slowed down and made some conscious decisions here. Hopefully all the little guys around here be able to use it to build some skills and confidence.

    Sorry guys

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    Quote Originally Posted by ebnash View Post
    Rode here today for the first time. Huge props to Chum for maximum effort to get this finally built but I have to post an honest opinion. I know it was a pro company who came up with the layout and built it, but it's really bad. Too much crammed I to the area. It seems like it was rushed and never flow checked. Everyone I saw so show was gone 3 laps later. There is a really sweet mid sized 3 pack down the left line of the starting hill with little to no chance of ever producing enough speed to clear anything.

    The westside tiny pump track is so much smaller but so much worth the extra drive for something that actually works and rides.

    They opened Scott's Valley too soon after build. They should have gated it off and watered and packed for another week or two. Everything is crumbling and chunky. Rush job with poor design.

    Sorry guys cause I'm sure everyone will come and tear me apart now. I have ridden a dozen pump tracks in the last couple months and this place is worse than Calabazas. They should have slowed down and made some conscious decisions here. Hopefully all the little guys around here be able to use it to build some skills and confidence.

    Sorry guys
    Not saying that the track does not require some tuning, and will need soil amendments to help stabilize the dirt...but my, and my coworkers, impressions are different. Loads of line transfers and a few nice tabletops....and can grab some pretty impressive speed (not me...I suck)

    Many of us have been out there 3 and 4 days in a row...and will be making it a regular lunch session.

    The builder has been keeping an eye on the track and is putting together a volunteer workday currently.

    I wouldn't give up on it so easily...it's not like a concrete skatepark that can't be altered

    the nice things about these tracks, as seen specifically by the Chanticleer track, is that they change and morph all the time.
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    Chum,
    Agreed on all your points. Perhaps my feedback was a bit hasty. I'll be on the look out for volunteer days and will show up with a shovel for labor. I don't know jack about building and maintaining dirt track, but I'd love to lend a hand and learn something in the process.

    I too was able to generate some good speed on the return line, just a little frustrated that I couldn't get enough on the start to clear any of the main line doubles and table. They are shaped correct, maybe I'm just too fat :-D

    All others, please don't take my criticism as a reason not at least check this place out as everyone is a little different.

    Once again, I do appreciate all the hard work and lobbying that went on to get this built. Hopefully is works into something great over time. Admittedly, I have only started riding these local tracks in the last couple months so I did not witness the original state and morphs.

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    Chum,
    Agreed on all your points. Perhaps my feedback was a bit hasty. I'll be on the look out for volunteer days and will show up with a shovel for labor. I don't know jack about building and maintaining dirt track, but I'd love to lend a hand and learn something in the process.

    I too was able to generate some good speed on the return line, just a little frustrated that I couldn't get enough on the start to clear any of the main line doubles and table. They are shaped correct, maybe I'm just too fat :-D

    All others, please don't take my criticism as a reason not at least check this place out as everyone is a little different.

    Once again, I do appreciate all the hard work and lobbying that went on to get this built. Hopefully is works into something great over time. Admittedly, I have only started riding these local tracks in the last couple months so I did not witness the original state and morphs.
    Everything in SV was getting cleared by the grom patrol last weekend. Speed is not an issue there for sure.
    It does have a few odd features (weird chicane open half berm things), but you can get really creative and connect all kinds of lines. I like the fact it has many options.

    The West Side pump track I thought was more for kids. Not many options and really cramped and "flow lacking". Like it was a big track squished in a tight location.

    To each their own...

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    I wish I could figure out how to get any speed for the first double. Without clearing that I can't generate the speed for the other two and no matter how hard I pull up I'm not getting over. I wish I was young and light again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ebnash View Post
    I wish I could figure out how to get any speed for the first double. Without clearing that I can't generate the speed for the other two and no matter how hard I pull up I'm not getting over. I wish I was young and light again.
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    ^^ hahaha... Have been over there at least once a day with my kid (we live in Skypark) and loving it. What a great add to the city for the kids!

    We've been working out lines and I do like it quite a bit. My one comment / suggestion as I have not yet seen a single person clear the second and third step-ups/camels from the start line: I think it's the first one that slows everyone down too much - it just completely checks speed coming off the ramp - and though some have said they'd like to see the start ramp at 6-7' higher (a LOT of earth, that), I think it could be better and easier solved by simply reducing the first jump a pedal-able/pumpable roller so riders can actually gain speed and really send it off the second and third jumps.

    Looking for a volunteer day post / note!! Want to figure out how to work it / maintain a little day by day to keep it in shape (read: I'm worn out and standing around about the time my kid is halfway through her session haha)...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Makakio View Post
    My one comment / suggestion as I have not yet seen a single person clear the second and third step-ups/camels from the start line: I think it's the first one that slows everyone down too much - it just completely checks speed coming off the ramp - and though some have said they'd like to see the start ramp at 6-7' higher (a LOT of earth, that), I think it could be better and easier solved by simply reducing the first jump a pedal-able/pumpable roller so riders can actually gain speed and really send it off the second and third jumps.

    Looking for a volunteer day post / note!! Want to figure out how to work it / maintain a little day by day to keep it in shape (read: I'm worn out and standing around about the time my kid is halfway through her session haha)...
    I 2nd both points here.

    First off, I'd love to volunteer when/if volunteer days are announced. Even if you guys let me know when you usually there doing maint., I'll make it if my schedule allows.

    I'd also be pumped to see a better opportunity for starting speed for the 3 pack set.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ebnash View Post
    I 2nd both points here.
    First off, I'd love to volunteer when/if volunteer days are announced. Even if you guys let me know when you usually there doing maint., I'll make it if my schedule allows.

    I'd also be pumped to see a better opportunity for starting speed for the 3 pack set.
    I'm happy to see that folks enjoy the track and want to get engaged.

    As discussed, there are a number of issues that need to be addressed before we call this project "done". Unfortunately, the project manager has stepped down since he suddenly got too busy with work and life. I need help driving this project to completion.

    Some tasks:

    1. Drive a volunteer day to complete the track (tuning, larger start mound, etc...). SVCS is willing to help with this and so is Alex the track builder. We just need to get it on the schedule.

    2. As CHUM said, there is a requirement from the City for soil amendments and we think it would be a great idea regardless.

    3. We are planning an opening ceremony on Oct 4th. We would like to put this event plan together. We have a volunteer who is willing to help out with the marketing and promotion.

    I could really use some help to finish this. Please PM me with your name, email and phone number and I'll try to get you plugged in.

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    I always thought a pump track was to used to practice maintaining speed without pedaling, not jumping everything? Of course you can do both , but I have ridden quite a few pump tracks myself and thats what I use them for. If you want to jump everything go to the Polo Grounds. Nice job on the track BTW, so stoked to see more and more bike related activities in my hometown!

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