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    Pliny's "Tree Down at Henry W Coe SP" Contest.

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    Remember "Pliny's Missing Marker Contest"???

    This is kind of like that only different; points will be awarded for posting the description a tree within Henry W Coe SP that's blocking a trail or otherwise posing a hazard in the park.

    An accurate description ("24 inch diameter oak tree down on Cross Canyon 3/4 mile from Coit Rd") is good for one point; this plus a photo will get you another point, a geo-tagged photo yet another point, including a kmz (like from Google Earth) will net you 4 points.

    If you've cleared a tree yourself, we'd like to hear about that too---that info is also worth a point. (Maybe more if the tree was gnarly big)

    Also; downed trees (that haven't been cleared) previously reported on MTBR qualify to be included here.

    Prizes TBD but will be the usual swag and beverages; this'll be a monthly contest.

    Here's a couple of mine from 2 weekends ago:
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    24" pine down on Live Oak Spring Trail about 1/2 mile N/E of Wagon Rd

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    16" pine down on Live Oak Springs Trail (upper) about 1/4 mile N of the springs

    The info gathered will be prioritized and a) if the tree is large the DPR will be notified for removal by chainsaw, or b) the Uniformed Volunteers will send out a work party.

    Downed trees at Coe are becoming a huge problem at Coe due to the deadfall from the Lick Fire.

    Coe will also be losing maintenance workers next July so the more trees we can get on the list the more the State will be able to remove before then.

    BTW; "Pliny's Missing Marker Contest" is alive and well; it's just too far ahead of the group in charge of making repairs to the signs---when they catch up it'll start again.
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    For your workday amusement...

    Here's an oak I partially cleared from the Jim Donnelly Trail yesterday:


    About 3/4 of a mile up from Hunting Hollow Rd---don't bother reporting this one! It still needs complete removal to allow equestrian traffic; hikers and bikers can pass under it OK.

    Must've fallen late Sunday or early Monday---maybe because of the storm???

    Before you ask, that is a Surly Pugsly!
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    Good sized tree (4' diameter) on either lower Middle Ridge by the creek, or the creek trail to China Hole.

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    I'm thinking about bringing a big saw for this weekend's festivities...

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    Quote Originally Posted by pliebenberg View Post
    Here's an oak I partially cleared from the Jim Donnelly Trail yesterday:


    About 3/4 of a mile up from Hunting Hollow Rd---don't bother reporting this one! It still needs complete removal to allow equestrian traffic; hikers and bikers can pass under it OK.

    Must've fallen late Sunday or early Monday---maybe because of the storm???

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    Awesome contest. It's been great riding past new signs that resulted from the sign contest.

    All my photos are geotagged.

    Clearly, you've already got the Cross Canyon tree:
    Latitude 37.144933° N
    Longitude 121.463774° W

    From Henry Coe (Curse of Two - Sep 2011


    This one.. hmm.. too far out to worry about


    Turkey Pond Trail has 3 trees down.
    Latitude 37.164562° N
    Longitude 121.401952° W

    From Henry Coe (Paradise Lake, Robison Creek) - May 2011


    The Cross Canyon Wall would be much better if this tree was removed (the top one)
    Latitude 37.139011° N
    Longitude 121.447090° W

    From Henry Coe Everest Challenge - Oct 2011


    So many more... I have a habit of taking photos of downed trees in case they would be useful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ratpick View Post
    All my photos are geotagged.
    How? This is the first really compelling reason to get a GPS, IMO. I'm not fast enough for KOM and I've only been lost once. In that case a compass would have worked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fast Eddy View Post
    How? This is the first really compelling reason to get a GPS, IMO. I'm not fast enough for KOM and I've only been lost once. In that case a compass would have worked.
    My camera doesn't geotag but it's a fairly quick process to add later:
    - make sure the clock on my camera is close to GPS time (or know the difference and adjust later)
    - upload photos from my camera to PC
    - upload GPS track from Garmin (I use SportTracks)
    - export GPX track from SportTracks (could use mtbguru or Ascend or something else for this)
    - use geosetter to do the actual geotagging
    - geosetter adds a location description into the image's metadata which makes searching later easy (I usually change the local setting to "Henry Coe State Park" or wherever I'm riding).

    If you only want to geotag, all you need is a GPS logger and you can get those fairly cheaply. There are some memory cards that will geotag, but only if near a wifi network and last I checked, there aren't many of those out on trails!

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    GPS enabled cameras...

    Quote Originally Posted by ratpick View Post
    My camera doesn't geotag but it's a fairly quick process to add later:
    - make sure the clock on my camera is close to GPS time (or know the difference and adjust later)
    - upload photos from my camera to PC
    - upload GPS track from Garmin (I use SportTracks)
    - export GPX track from SportTracks (could use mtbguru or Ascend or something else for this)
    - use geosetter to do the actual geotagging
    - geosetter adds a location description into the image's metadata which makes searching later easy (I usually change the local setting to "Henry Coe State Park" or wherever I'm riding).

    If you only want to geotag, all you need is a GPS logger and you can get those fairly cheaply. There are some memory cards that will geotag, but only if near a wifi network and last I checked, there aren't many of those out on trails!
    Ratpick, keep doing it the way you are!

    A few months back I bought and higher-end Sony point-and-shoot with GPS and found out that it's not well suited for this kind of an assignment. It takes too long in most circumstances for the GPS to find enough satellites for an accurate position report. The camera can be forced to stay on so the GPS will track from photo to photo but this sucks down the batteries.

    Some of the newer smartphones might work pretty well but there's still apparently the battery issue when GPS tracking.

    I usually just use Google Earth to visually locate the photos using the placemark tool; this is usually close enough. We're not targeting cruise missiles here!

    Anyway, keep those photos coming!
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    Quote Originally Posted by pliebenberg View Post
    I usually just use Google Earth to visually locate the photos using the placemark tool; this is usually close enough. We're not targeting cruise missiles here!
    Yea, but it must take forever. His method will tag them all, even the ones I don't want to spend time editing, etc because they are crappy. I'd still like them tagged for future usage.

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    iPhone and Android phone cameras will deliver crappy photos but they will be automatically geotagged, hassle-free... so digging up the cellphone when seeing a down tree may be the simplest.

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    Hi Paul

    Here’s what I got…


    Domino Pond 50’ from Rock Tower







    You already have this one: Cross Canyon Trail on the descent from Coit Road:



    Add a 24” diameter Pine 50’ from Millias, and a 24” Oak mid-way up the climb to Willow Ridge Road (a go-around is pretty established here). No pics, sorry.



    Ridge Trail 50’ from Pacheco Ridge Road







    Ridge Trail 50’ from Pacheco Creek Trail





    Kelly Cabin Canyon Trail 500’ from Coit Road:





    Timm Trail 50’ from Final Exit:







    Spur trail off of Live Oak Spring Trail, out about a mile...





    A couple more without photos

    24” Pine across the Rose Dam Trail 50’ from Pacheco Creek Trail.

    Jackass Trail, many, many 24” fallen trees along the length of it.

    Good luck with this...
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    [QUOTE=Skyline35;8516188]Hi Paul

    Here’s what I got…


    Domino Pond 50’ from Rock Tower

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    or one of these

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    That tree is big, but it could be worse...like last Friday elsewhere in California:

    Video: Watch Two Giant Sequoia Trees Fall to the Ground | Outdoors | SoCal Wanderer | KCET


    As far as a few more downed trees in addition to the piles listed above - a ton on Live Oak Spring Road in the section below Live Oak Spring Trail (you can see them from the upper trail); a 12-18" or so midway down Vasquez Trail (but you can ride around off-trail about 20' right); a 6-8" one just past that one that you can ride over the tip; a 6" one about 1/3 mile up Vasquez Road from the bottom, easily dispatched with a small saw; a big older one at the junction of Vasquez Road and the unnamed road heading southeast, but it can be ridden around and driven around. Don't know if anyone ever got the big one (24"+) about 50 feet up Rat Spring trail from Pacheco Creek trail.

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    Tough Jobs Ahead!!!

    Trees fall. Sometimes they fall across a trail.

    Because shade is welcome, trails are sometimes routed through woodlands (lots of other reasons exist). Trails routed through chapparral require frequent brushing, and provide little shade. Trail routed through woodland provides shade, and frequent deadfall.

    Sunday 10/09/11 we finished off the tree on JDT. Knobular will provide some photos.

    After that activity, I rode up the JDT up to Willson Peak, and down Middle Steer Ridge. At the bottom just one tenth of a mile from the olde JDT junction there is a huge tree down. Bummer!

    Double bummer because I left my 13" Fiskar hand saw up on the JDT where I used it. I was able to carefully move enough of the (large amount consisting of 4 large limbs) collateral timber off by carefully levering off the timber piece by piece (like a game of 300# pick-up-sticks) and maneuvering the main trunk so that it is possible to walk over just one large trunk, without cross-country travel up or down slope from the obstruction.











    I added the tools I brought (30" bowsaw - mcleod -dhandle shovel - pick mattock - loppers - brace of 100 blue pin flags) to the gang box.

    The last four photos above are from this spring removing a tree fallen across the creekside section of Cross Canyon Trail with the Forest Knolls Freewheelers and ROMP (just thought I would share).

    Tree removal activities happen. If no one posts them on the internet, fewer see the work. Whatever.

    This is going to be an amazing thread on MTBR!!!

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    How many MTBers does it take...

    Whilst Sorcerer was taking care of business in the southern end of Henry Coe; several of us mountain-biking "newbie" Uniformed Volunteers were participating in the final stages of the "boot camp" training process. We were on the last march of the day when we came upon a pine that had fallen across the Willow Ridge Trail; clearing it was not part of the course but since most of us still had in our packs the small saws we usually carry while out on trail we thought we'd have a go at removing it. Here's the raw and un-cut video of the action:



    Besides myself holding the camera; MTBR regulars Diesel, Fast Eddie and plymmer were doing the hard work. Phil and Travis were also seen assisting in this operation; there are several other trainees in this year's class who are mountain biking regulars---we were probably the largest user group taking the training!
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    More Contest Rules (minor buzzkill)

    It's been pointed out to me that we shouldn't encourage Coe Park users to be doing potentially dangerous trail maintenance work such as removing large fallen trees unless proper protocols are being followed.

    Park policy stipulates that no work of this nature be performed until certain paperwork is signed by the volunteer and the work performed in the presence of either DPR staff or a Uniformed Volunteer. (Such as Sorcerer)

    This being the case "removal" points will only be awarded to those who remove trees in the above conditions. If you do something on your own godbless but it's best you don't share about it here. Use at your own risk blah blah blah...

    We're mostly after those fallen tree locations in this contest, getting the trails cleared is the "icing on the cake"

    Here's another short video from last weekend; besides plymmer and Fast Eddie there's an extremely rare sighting of DustyBrown:
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    Here's an old vid but a good one... from Plymmer and Sorcerer's "Barney Purple" phase:

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    "Plan C"

    If removing fallen trees the way we've been doing it is "Plan A" (by using hand saws) and "Plan B" is by informing the DPR so they can use their chainsaws then this video shows the technique of doing as little hand-sawing as possible and then winching the main portions off the trail:


    This is the tree near the bottom of Middle Steer Ridge Trail as reported by Sorcerer. This was my first attempt using this method; I tried pulling the tree in the "wrong" direction (broken limbs digging in but a shorter pull) on purpose and the tree would not budge until I took off some weight by cutting off a couple more limbs. Had I pulled it in the other direction I'm fairly confident that I wouldn't have had to resort to using the saw but I would have had a longer pull (and needed to reset the hoist).

    Another beautiful fall day at Henry Coe!
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    Phegley, top of the single track section

    LocoYokel reported this last year I think.

    A narrow volunteer trail is well worn in below the tree now. It may damage the tree roots it skirts around eventually, so something will be done eventually.



    The photo is from Weds, 10/12.

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    Adding...

    Elderberry Trail:





    Creekside Trail:



    .kmz attached.



    Roy found a Coe spyglass for spotting fallen trees:







    Question: is there a prescribed burn scheduled for the Hobbs Road/Middle Ridge Trail
    area? Yesterday I saw what looked like preparations for one.





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    Quote Originally Posted by Skyline35 View Post
    Roy found a Coe spyglass for spotting fallen trees:
    Sven? Is dat you? (Obligatory cultural reference: Swedish Bookstore - YouTube)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skyline35
    Question: is there a prescribed burn scheduled for the Hobbs Road/Middle Ridge Trail
    area? Yesterday I saw what looked like preparations for one.







    Thanks,
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    Answer from the San Jose Mercury News:

    Henry Coe State Park to undergo prescribed burn

    Bay City News Service
    Posted: 10/16/2011 12:39:34 PM PDT
    Updated: 10/16/2011 12:39:36 PM PDT

    MORGAN HILL -- Henry Coe State Park will be the site of a prescribed burn on Monday
    and Tuesday, the California Department of Forestry and Fire Protection said Saturday.

    The "Western Zone Complex" prescribed burn will take place -- pending weather
    conditions and approval from the Bay Area Air Quality District -- on Middle Ridge Trail
    off of Hobbs Road, approximately eight miles northeast of Morgan Hill, CAL FIRE said.

    Prescribed burns have been performed for decades and carry many benefits for public
    and natural resources, including watershed improvement, enhanced wildlife habitat and
    protection against large, damaging wildland fires, according to CAL FIRE.

    Fire personnel said smoke would be visible from most Bay Area counties and possibly
    from Interstate Highway 5.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skyline35 View Post
    Hi Paul

    Here’s what I got…



    Timm Trail 50’ from Final Exit:




    ///Charlie
    Not completely removed but should be fine for hikers/bikers/horses:


    This tree was one of the first brought to my attention earlier; thought it should be one of the first to be cleared.
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    A Little Off Topic...

    Quote Originally Posted by Skyline35 View Post
    Question: is there a prescribed burn scheduled for the Hobbs Road/Middle Ridge Trail
    area? Yesterday I saw what looked like preparations for one.





    Thanks,
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    Here's what today's burn looked like from Steer Ridge near the JDT intersection:
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    The high point of Pine Ridge is on the horizon to the left; I think the ridge with Manzanita Point is the one in front of the smoke.


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    Wider angle view from same place on Steer Ridge; near ridge is Spike Jones, then Wasno Ridge (Jackson Field is the grassy area on right horizon). If one squints the high point of the Cullen Trail can just be seen in the center of the photo.

    In the radio chatter today I heard the DPR talking about "meet back at drop point 2".
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    Don't tempt Sorcerer...

    Tree removal; Sorcerer-style:


    It's best to watch the whole movie; but get the USA version---this clip is from an Euro version that has the original beginning and ending cut.
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    Timm Trail Tree Two

    I'm not sure when this tree went down; it's not too far south of the other tree down on Timm reported by Skyline35:
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    This tree isn't the impediment the other tree was; a smaller rider with skills could probably get under it without dismounting---I needed to walk it though.

    I won't be lobbying for its quick removal; horses can get around by going off trail to the uphill side---this tree might be a good excuse for a minor trail re-route.

    In other news, it looks like Skyline35 will be the winner of the inaugural "Pliny's Tree Down" contest. Ratpick is a close second. Prizes to be awarded at this Saturday's TWD on the Jim Donnelly Trail.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skyline35 View Post
    Elderberry Trail:




    ///Charlie
    That tree on Elderberry is gone. Shiloh and I took care of it.

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    Jackass Trail

    DPR's Eric G and I had a go at clearing the Lick Fire dead-fall from the Jackass Trail:

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    This was the first major tree down coming in from the north (visible from outer space in Google Earth!); it was a ponderosa pine about 3' in diameter.

    We cleared the trail only about halfway down; the 2 vehicle shuttle didn't materialize so our hoped-for down the trail and out plan will have to wait for the next time. The trail has taken on a new character since the fire; the route now follows the path of least resistance as it winds it way through openings in the dead-fall making for a more circuitous route; an improvement IMHO!
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    Awesome work, guys! It is amazing how more and more trees continued to fall on Jackass, even years after the fire. It seemed like the rate of deadfall picked up as burned trees finally gave up the ghost.

    -D

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    Problem Solved...

    Quote Originally Posted by Skyline35 View Post
    Creekside Trail:




    ///Charlie
    On my way back from checking out the MRT "situation" I figured I should have a look at this tree down on Creekside Trail before committing to get the DPR's Eric G in there with a chainsaw.

    I'm glad I did because this tree doesn't need removal at all; there's enough room (3') between the trunk and the stump to route the trail. The DPR Trails Handbook suggests that if possible in the case of large fallen trees the trail should be relocated rather than the tree being removed. (A fallen tree being an act of nature)

    Still could use a little work with a McLeod:
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    Kelly Cabin Canyon Trail

    The two nearest trees have been cleared for a while:



    ^ May 7, 2011



    …and on Saturday, locoyokel, Eric S., and I cleared the remaining two trees in
    the background (dead center in the photo). Greg did most of the sawing; once
    cut, it was a simple matter to roll it off the side of the trail:





    Voilà!





    Kelly Cabin Canyon Trail is now clear end-to-end and in the best shape since Fall 2010.
    You guys riding through on Monday, enjoy!

    ///Charlie

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    Nice work!

    Quote Originally Posted by Skyline35 View Post
    The two nearest trees have been cleared for a while:



    ^ May 7, 2011



    …and on Saturday, locoyokel, Eric S., and I cleared the remaining two trees in
    the background (dead center in the photo). Greg did most of the sawing; once
    cut, it was a simple matter to roll it off the side of the trail:





    Voilà!





    Kelly Cabin Canyon Trail is now clear end-to-end and in the best shape since Fall 2010.
    You guys riding through on Monday, enjoy!

    ///Charlie
    Is that large oak still blocking Cross Canyon Tr between KCCT and Willow Ridge Rd? (Cross Canyon "East")
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    Except for that one tree that has an easy ride-a-round (the ride-a-round is still on the roadbed, tiny uphill past the roots of the downed tree), no trees blocking Cross Canyon east above KCC. That's the way Charlie & I went, don't know if that huge oak tree is still blocking Cross Canyon near George Milias (I assume it must be unless someone hauled in a chainsaw).

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    Cross Canyon Cleared...

    ...by the CMBP; this tree has been on the "list" for several months now:
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    Anthony, Paul (Sorcerer), Jim (Zener), Philip, Roy (plymmer) take turns sawing the oak that was blocking the east portion of Coe's Cross Canyon Trail (between Milias and Kelly Cabin Canyon trails)

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    This started out as an informal Coe Mountain Bike Patrol "Start the New Year at Coe" ride lead by Sorcerer; we were originally only going to inspect and make plans for removing this tree at a later date---but with 7 eager lads and one strong lady the tree was quickly dispatched.

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    Being a Patrol member isn't all glory; here Philip describes to Sorcerer his technique for removing soiled toilet paper fouling a campsite (yes really!). Some Coe visitors are disgusting; they crapped 10 paces from the campsite. (Too far to walk to the restroom???) Other members had just decommissioned a fire ring while at our stop at Kelly Lake. (a no campfires ever zone)

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    Lunch on the KCCT; Eric, Roy, Jim, Philip, Paul and Chris enjoy the gorgeous (and unseasonable!) weather. A few yards behind where I was standing as I took this picture there was still ice in the creek.

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    A token bikes being ridden picture; my photos don't show it but most of the time was spent "in the saddle"---as the ride proceeded we broke into several groups and rejoined at common landmarks. Here Anthony, Eric and Jim approach the intersection of Wagon and Wasno roads.

    There should be some video of the tree removal and etc; hopefully it will get posted here later.
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    Good job! Thanks!!!

    Especially Philip, the scene at Kelly Lake was very disgusting. Sadly, they also camped at Coit Lake.

    ///Charlie

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    Nice Work on the tree! One week its there next week its gone!

    The toilet paper truly was disheartening

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    Sunday 1/8/12 Domino Pond Activity

    Henry W. Coe State Park Adventures again.

    Saturday was great. Pliebenberg split off after the East Cross Canyon tree removal and went back another way. The rest of us decided to return via Cross Canyon West where there was another large, but not as large oak across the trail, which we removed. Pictures later I expect. Yes there is a low hanging pine towards the bottom still, but we didn't stop to cut that one down (you hardly even notice it on a bike if you're average sized). Saturday was a great day. All of us seemed to have commitments that evening, so somehow we managed to get back to HH by 4pm. That's amazing.

    Sunday Super-Stoker and some girl friends wanted to ride in Coe so I hitched a ride and started out with them, and after Anza I split off up the Grapevine to head directly to the Domino Pond tree site to begin working on the reroute. Later the girls would come and scoop me up on the way back.

    First I stopped on the Grapevine at the place where the trail goes under a large fallen oak tree. A couple of years ago this tree fell across the trail and our solution was a short reroute which involved actually going under one of the main tree trunk limbs. At the time the trunk section was about 14 feet above the reroute. That tree is settling and rotting, and has subsided nearly four feet I reckon. It's to be expected, and in a couple of years something will have to happen. Meantime on our return descending the Grapevine on Saturday I again noticed that one of the branches was dangerously encroaching the trail due to the settling of the slowly rotting tree. Hence I made a quick stop to saw off this piece.

    Before:


    After:


    Yes I tied on some pink ribbon garbage on it. In all it wasn't really a huge hazard, but I really could see a cyclist clipping a left wing on that piece I took out.

    The tree across Domino Pond Trail:


    That tree is a magnificent specimen. It is too big to remove. It is also something to see. The DPR guidelines advise a reroute. Going below the original trail grade is not sustainable due to the fact that it is a riparian drainage area prone to being a swamp etc. Therefore the reroute must go above the wreckage. Previous recon identified the route, dictated by best
    practice and topography. This is a straight forward job.

    My girl friends:


    My quiver:


    Here is a shot of most of the reroute area at the conclusion of the 3 solid hours I put in actually working on the reroute. It's hard to see in this photo (I know) but there are blue flags marking the contouring alignment. The job is not finished.


    Tree section before:


    Tree section after:


    The reroute is usable as is, and I fully expect it to be readily adopted. The west end was not linked properly to the trail yet. The main thing left to do is to properly bench and shape the tread. The west end, towards Cattle Duster, will go under an oak tree. The blue flagging is very obvious and advertises the new route.
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    More Photos from 1/7-1/8/2012

    Saturday Plymmer spotted something balloon-like and came back with a clutch of them.


    We counted 14 balloons! I am astonished.


    Not to be outdone, Pliebenberg responds with a gory offering of even more horrid ballons.


    Low clearance:
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    By the wicket.

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    Nice work on Cross Canyon, Sorcerer and crew. I saw the tree you removed just after I passed you guys on my way down into the canyon. I did happen to notice the branch hanging over the trail near the bottom and thought to myself, "This might be a problem on a horse."

    I missed the turnoff for Kelly Cabin Canyon and ended up climbing out on Cross Canyon East. I knew something was amiss when the trail continued to ascend the hillside. It turned out to be a good thing considering the mechanical I had.

    Hope to see you next weekend at trail work. I just checked the forecast and rain isn't predicted until the following Wednesday. Hopefully there will be lots of it.

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    Quick sketch



    Blue is the new route. Yellow is the old route.

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    Saturday is on, yes? I've got an injury, but I can probably be somewhat helpful depending on the tasks...

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    Earth Shattering Trail Building

    Ed, yes, it's on for this Saturday and Sunday (1/14-1/15).

    Earth Shattering Trail Building

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    Blue line it is; props to Rogue Hoe

    Quote Originally Posted by Sorcerer View Post


    Blue is the new route. Yellow is the old route.
    The "Earth Shattering Trail Building" Sunday installment was much more mellow today on the Domino Pond Trail than it was on yesterday's JDT "clodfest"; here's a time lapse of the new route around the tree being benched:


    Sorcerer and Marty (a MTBR lurker from so long ago I couldn't find his handle in the directory) are in green; I changed from yellow to brown as the day heated up. Incredible weather for mid-January!

    Maybe Marty can post with his MTBR stage name??? (Working with several cracked ribs a-healing he did a great job!)

    The dirt on this side of the park was so nice and soft all I needed was a Rogue Hoe to dig the section I was benching.

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    Marty has passed the stream crossing as Sorcerer changes out of his work boots into his riding shoes.

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    Sorcerer westbound...

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    ...and eastbound.

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    The photo does not do justice to the 30% grade Sorcerer is pulling a tool-laden BOB up...

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    ...and he can manage a smile as he reaches the top of Domino! (His bike does have special "Coe" gearing FWIW!)
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    Quote Originally Posted by pliebenberg View Post
    The "Earth Shattering Trail Building" Sunday installment was much more mellow today on the Domino Pond Trail than it was on yesterday's JDT "clodfest"....

    The dirt on this side of the park was so nice and soft all I needed was a Rogue Hoe to dig the section I was benching....
    Great work out there, guys! Though I must say, all the talk of the dirt being nice and soft is just plain mean...

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    At the intersection of Grapevine and Anza:





    A Park maintenance truck would easily be able to drive up Grapevine Road to here.

    ///Charlie

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    Also the crown on the tree landed on Grapevine road - so you really want to take Anza and not mess with trying to get down through the crown of the tree, and likewise you don't want to come up Grapevine road from Coit until someone has cleared the tree!

    Lots of poison oak encroaching on Grapevine, especially in the 100 foot section from the downed tree to the little pond.

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    At the intersection of Grapevine and Anza:

    A Park maintenance truck would easily be able to drive up Grapevine Road to here.

    ///Charlie
    ...Charlie and Greg; I've passed this along to the DPR.
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    Anza/Grapevine Tree Action

    Hi,

    On Saturday May 26th 2012 while Plymmer took Ratpick, Fattire400 and I on a tour of the "Forgotten Ones" 10k my wife and a couple of riders spent nearly an hour cleaning up the area around the tree that has fallen by the intersection of Grapevine and Anza trails near the Wood Chopper Spring.

    Photos courtesy of the Mudskipper:






    You'll still have to crawl under the tree coming down from the Grapevine Trail. The work makes it possible to ride or hike the Anza - Coit Road without much bother. It would be possible to move the trail about four feet up hill to make the connection from Grapevine to Anza rideable. However, the maintenance staff has been notified, and perhaps this will be mitigated before too long.

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    A Couple on the 2nd Climb on Middle Ridge Trail

    Hi,

    On May 25th after the CPPF media event to hand-off the check to keep Henry W. Coe SP open, I went on a little ride to saw off some trees on the Middle Ridge Trail.










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    Wow, nice work!

    So our conditions report became out of date while we were still on our ride!

    Now we just need to talk some immune person into clearing the poison oak on grapevine...

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    Tree Down at Flat Frog near Grand Junction

    Hi,

    Okay here's another big one that has been known about for a couple of months almost. Because of a busy schedule no one has been able to address this huge tree, yet. However on Friday May 25th the abundant lush garlands of poison oak vines were removed so that stooping under the massive fallen Valley Oak (and dragging a bike along) is now possible without risking exposure to poison oak.

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    Eric didn't want to try to tackle it with the chainsaw, nor did he want to improve the go-under by dropping the trail tread. IMO, this is the best and easiest solution to this issue. That tree isn't going anywhere without explosives or a helicopter, or a serious chainsaw crew with some time on their hands.

    Sorry about the quality of the cellphone pics.
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    Instead of doing a bunch of chainsaw work, Eric trimmed up the roots where the trail went around and we improved the reroute. At least one group of hikers tried it out while we were there. Another group of bikers came by before we started working and went under without any trouble. I did manage to pull a McCleod under there and drop the tread a little.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fast Eddy View Post
    Instead of doing a bunch of chainsaw work, Eric trimmed up the roots where the trail went around and we improved the reroute. At least one group of hikers tried it out while we were there. Another group of bikers came by before we started working and went under without any trouble. I did manage to pull a McCleod under there and drop the tread a little.
    Per the DPR Trails Handbook re-routing the trail is the right thing to do. The qualifying factor is a trunk diameter of 3' or greater. The logic is that a fallen tree is a natural feature and should be left alone unless safety is an issue. In this case re-routing above makes perfect sense.
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    Who will be first to clean the re-route on a bike?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sorcerer View Post
    Who will be first to clean the re-route on a bike?
    The reroute is very soft and there are steps cut into soft dirt going around the north side of the tree roots. I would be sad if someone tried to ride it. Please take your wheeled locusts underneath the tree.

    I would not be sad at all if someone rerouted the trail 2' deeper under the tree and chain-sawed another foot of clearance around the hole. It could be made rideable and sustainable with a day of hard work if it could be approved.

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    Okay.

    The idea of rigging the tree and winching it off the hillside so that it would fall into the gulch was advanced earlier. That would be a risky operation with unpredictable results. Alternatively I wonder if it could be jacked (no triangle of death) up until it rolled, and repeated until moved below the trail?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sorcerer View Post
    Alternatively I wonder if it could be jacked (no triangle of death) up until it rolled, and repeated until moved below the trail?
    750 kg per cubic meter for oak (*). 1.5m avg diameter (conservative) * 3.14 * 8m = 28260 kg = 30 tons.

    You'd have to cut it into three pieces to pull it out with a SkyCrane.

    * Wood Densities

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    Pies are square; nooo...

    Quote Originally Posted by Fast Eddy View Post
    750 kg per cubic meter for oak (*). 1.5m avg diameter (conservative) * 3.14 * 8m = 28260 kg = 30 tons.

    You'd have to cut it into three pieces to pull it out with a SkyCrane.

    * Wood Densities
    ...pies are round; cakes are square!

    Interesting 'rithamatic you use Eddy; I think you'll find your numbers are off by a bit on the high side. No matter; a Skycrane is well over $5K an hour so I don't think that'll happen considering the DPR's financials. Plus; it looks like if it was sectioned for lifting it would head down the hill anyway (problem solved).

    Hey I forgot to thank you for going out and helping Eric and crew!
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    Quote Originally Posted by pliebenberg View Post
    Interesting 'rithamatic you use Eddy; I think you'll find your numbers are off by a bit on the high side.
    So much for my expensive edumication.

    0.75 squared * 3.14 * 8m * 750 = 10600kg = 11 tons.

    I'll bet the wood would be worth an hour of skycrane time...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sorcerer View Post
    LocoYokel reported this last year I think.

    A narrow volunteer trail is well worn in below the tree now. It may damage the tree roots it skirts around eventually, so something will be done eventually.



    The photo is from Weds, 10/12.
    This tree is still there and since the bypass has become well bedded-in it will likely rot away before it's removed.

    More of interest though is that the DPR recently ran the grader all the way down Phegley Ridge Road; for the amount of use it gets it sort of seems like a waste---but for fire/public safety access I guess it makes sense. Here my son starts down the "wall":
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    My daughter rolls out after descending the Phegley Wall. For thrill seekers this is probably the most rad wall in Coe given the steep/straight/length combo! (There are steeper ones but not this long with a clear roll-out) That grader operator has balls...
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    Quote Originally Posted by pliebenberg View Post
    Phegley Ridge Road
    If it is just the road, it's a not a huge concern. I don't think it required grading, but thanks for cutting the grass.

    Personally, I think Redfern is a better descent. It's got the views and the trees, and it's last section is insane. IIRC the Solstice ride is going up that.

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    First off, let me say "Thank you!" to the folks involved with the tree removals shown in the earlier posts in this thread


    For a few months now, there has been a large fallen Oak blocking Cattle Duster Trail near the top of Grapevine. The pedantic will know this is technically Coit Spring Trail but commonly it is thought of as Cattle Duster. Yesterday Roy and I set out to see if we could clear the trail. Here you see Roy and Kangasaw hard at work:





    I'm going to switch this around and show the "after" photo first. It was such a mess, maybe this will make more sense?

    Looking up hill, after:





    …before:





    From the opposite direction...after:





    And before:





    Here is the debris field showing how much was cut and removed:



    90 minutes work for two people.



    Roy checks the overhead clearance:





    Roy is the boss, graaaaahhhhhhhhhh





    We also cleared a nearby much smaller fallen tree. You'll be able to ride through here, no problem. Yay!

    ///Charlie
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skyline35 View Post
    First off, let me say "Thank you!" to the folks involved with the tree removals shown in the earlier posts in this thread


    For a few months now, there has been a large fallen Oak blocking Cattle Duster Trail near the top of Grapevine. .....


    We also cleared a nearby much smaller fallen tree. You'll be able to ride through here, no problem. Yay!

    ///Charlie
    Awesome work guys. Thanks for the effort. That one was a huge pain in the ass to come across, in either direction.

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    I have to take my due credit for making the 'before' version passable. Before 'before', people were climbing the bank to the north. I went through there the day before the VOCal trailwork.

    Great work on the 'after' version!

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    Who needs a saw?

    Quote Originally Posted by pliebenberg View Post

    Hi Paul,

    Do you think this one could be dragged off the road?



    Live Oak Spring Road at 37.142455 -121.4185967 (Sept 15, 2012)

    ///Charlie

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    Absolutely!

    Quote Originally Posted by Skyline35 View Post
    Hi Paul,

    Do you think this one could be dragged off the road?

    Live Oak Spring Road at 37.142455 -121.4185967 (Sept 15, 2012)

    ///Charlie
    Thanks Charlie! This may explain the shortage of water at Pacheco Camp if it has fallen across the pipe; did you see a wet spot in the vicinity?

    I'll pass this along to the proper Authorities (???)

    If Staff doesn't get to it first; there will be volunteers in the area with 4x4's 2 weekends in a row---first the UV "ride-a-long" training on 10/13 and then the TASPC work event on 10/20. One way or another I'm sure it'll get moved.

    This is a good segue to the new California State Parks Foundation website; About POP ---it's already been met with some skepticism within the MTBing community but I think it looks like a winner.



    I've been envisioning something much like it just for Coe but they've "beaten me to the punch"! I hope they expand it to include Coe soon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skyline35 View Post
    At the intersection of Grapevine and Anza:





    A Park maintenance truck would easily be able to drive up Grapevine Road to here.

    ///Charlie
    Fixed!






    Quote Originally Posted by Skyline35 View Post
    Hi Paul,

    Do you think this one could be dragged off the road?



    Live Oak Spring Road at 37.142455 -121.4185967 (Sept 15, 2012)

    ///Charlie
    I saw that one has been cleared too. Yay!

    ///Charlie

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    Skyline, congratulations on the huge ride yesterday! You are amazing. Thanks for reporting the tree down on Live Oak. When I copied the post about it, I immediately forwarded the information to the Sector Maintenance Chief and the Coe Mountain Bike Patrol (I think I might have beaten Pliebenberg to it).

    It wasn't long before I received word that someone from staff would go out and pull it off the road. And so eventually it was removed.

    That's how things are supposed to work!

    MTBR is a great medium. Pliebenberg has done so much in his time volunteering with Henry W Coe. This thread is incredibly useful.

    The tree that was down at Anza and the Grapevine was reported at the last Coe trails meeting a couple of weeks ago, and must have resulted in it's removal.

    Good news: The huge tree which has fallen down on Flat Frog has been re-evaluated by staff and I heard that they have a plan to remove it by sections. It may sound like what Pliebenberg would've liked to do if they let volunteers operate powertools in the park. We might see it gone in two months.

    The Pliny tree down, and sign threads are useful. They really help and get things done. Please keep the reports coming. Don't hesitate to ask questions about status etc. as well. It helps to keep pressure on I think.

    For next weekend I have my saw's sights on a tree down on Bear Spring Trail.

    Again, thanks Skyline35, and good job on the 100k ride. You and the other heroes of this weekend are an inspiration.

    Now I know I need to make time in my life to prepare for the 2013 10k, ,100k, and 100 miles of Coe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sorcerer View Post
    Skyline, congratulations on the huge ride yesterday!...good job on the 100k ride. You and the other heroes of this weekend are an inspiration.

    Now I know I need to make time in my life to prepare for the 2013 10k, ,100k, and 100 miles of Coe.
    Thank you!

    Paul, these rides are a continuation of an awesome culture which grew out of your annual Solstice rides. And I have no doubt that if you set your mind to it, you could complete the 100 miles.

    Thanks for all you do for Coe Park!
    ///Charlie

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    The Monterey District Trail Crew reported that they bucked the big tree fallen across the Flat Frog Trail today.

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    Any updated information on doing trail work at Henry Coe?

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    Good question Michael,

    Until further notice, by the order of the Supervising Ranger, tread work of any kind (ie. moving soil), may only be conducted with supervision of paid staff.

    Brushing by authorized volunteers is still allowed, so we've continued our brushing and dead-fall bucking activities.

    2nd Saturday trail work will resume this November the 10th. What gets done depends upon soil and weather conditions, and staff availability.

    There has been detailed scrutiny upon the JDT which yields specific prescriptive changes. Most of this was work we planned on doing anyway. However, some of it isn't. To put it in the kindest way, I would say that the current condition and original conception of the JDT build out represents less excavation and less impact upon the the hillside.

    This past weekend the bike patrol did a bunch of brushing work in the center of the park. We removed large concentrations of deadfall on Bear Spring and Canteen Spring Trails. I'll post pics later sometime.

    Fast Eddy and Pliebenberg have some additional excitement to share as well.

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    Excitement!?!?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sorcerer View Post

    Fast Eddy and Pliebenberg have some additional excitement to share as well.
    Might have had some excitement if we'd had room to bring our bikes along!

    We did clear several trees but didn't have to touch a saw; Ed's Land Cruiser busted them in half first and then we just towed them away with a strap.

    Road Clearing 3, This one was on Live Oak Springs Road.
    Live Oak Springs Road; after removing the strap we would roll it over the edge.

    Road Clearing 7
    Coit Road

    Caravan at Base of Bear Mountain III
    Nothing like climbing Bear Mountain in air-conditioned comfort! (actually the a/c was off and the windows rolled down---beautiful day!) I was thinking about the Hard COEre participants the whole time while driving up the mountain.

    Kelly Cabin Canyon Creek Oasis II, Turtles and numerous fish were present.
    Have your water filter? I found this tiny spring-fed oasis up Kelly Cabin Canyon Creek not too far from bone-dry Coyote Creek East Fork at Los Cruzeros while killing time waiting for the trainees. Full of fish, turtles and etc.

    Wilderness First Aid II, "why yes I do!"
    Doing some "real" wilderness first-aid was probably the most excitement I had during the weekend. While removing some trash from the Coyote Creek a fellow Uniformed Volunteer got snagged by a discarded fish hook. If Don would have left it in overnight we could have included the removal in the "fishing demonstration" on Sunday.

    Wilderness First Aid IV, Success! (don't forget to get that tetanus shot!)
    Success!

    CMBP Discussion at Lunchtime II
    Coe Mountain Bike Patrol members Chris V, Paul (Sorcerer), Roy (plymmer) and Eric S give the trainees a briefing on what the Patrol's mission at Coe is. Plymmer is showing the correct way to hold a discarded Mylar balloon.

    Caravan on Coit Lake Dam
    Lunchtime for the caravan drivers at Coit Lake Dam

    Fishing Demonstration, Fishing demonstration at Coit Lake by Bill Frazer and grandkids
    Aforementioned fishing "demonstration" (the need for this demonstration may sound a little silly at first but the Uniformed Volunteers are expected to know which species can be caught at what lakes and offer tips to park visitors should they inquire)

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    This was the last hike for the Uniformed Volunteer trainees; Ranger John leads them down Willow Springs Trail to the waiting caravan.

    Hear No Evil, Speak No...I, Don, Lynne and Ed demonstrate what it take to be a successful volunteer.
    Don S (fish hook man), Lynne and Fast Eddy demonstrate what it takes to be a successful Uniformed Volunteer.

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    Official class photo; a couple of these folks want to become MTBers after hearing about how much fun MTBing can be at Coe!
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    Canteen Spring Trail

    Plymmer and I did work on Saturday on Bear Spring Trail (maybe pictures late). Next morning three of us went out to the Canteen Spring Trail.



    These are photos from Superstoker's phone.



    We took out 4 or 5 trees like this over the trail.



    In a typical late winter and spring this area has a brook flowing through it. Then by May the area is chin high with green plants.



    It's hard to see the "trail" here, both in the photos and when you are here even. Either way, the trees were in the way for a long time.



    Since these trees had been laying here for over a year, they were partially rotten, which made the cutting a lot faster.



    Still, this was not easy



    Bucking log.



    Rock and roll.



    Finishing touch.

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    Plymmer and the Log

    On Saturday we arrived at Bear Spring Trail to remove another fallen tree.



    Even though you can kind of scoot underneath this tree,
    Plymmer agrees. "It's got to go."



    There's a certain kind of patience and persistence required to saw through a tree in the middle of nowhere.
    The hardest and most time consuming part is merely getting there to do the job,



    There's a bunch of techniques we learn and discover, which include different sawing angles, high-speed relay sawing sprints,
    pinning rocks in the groove to prevent pinching, and even propping things up with various objects.



    This one was easy to roll away. So satisfying to do sometimes.



    No time to waste. On to the next woody trail encroachment.




    Bear Spring flowing at 2 deciliters per minute of cool fresh water about a half mile above where the tree was. An important and strategic source of water.

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    Feeling kinda wimpy that pliebenberg and I used the tractor on this little one on Coit Rd and another, slightly bigger one on Live Oak Spring.


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    fyi the fallen tree on the Orestimba Creek Trail has been removed

    Roy Kangasawed it:





    Turned out to be a big job but Roy got'er done:





    It was a great ride out there yesterday. After the tree removal, we checked out Canteen Trail…great work guys!

    Oh, along the way, Roy almost got eaten by monster disguised as a fallen tree:



    …but he managed to escape. Close one!

    ///Charlie

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    Bravo plymmer!

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    Roy Kangasawed it:



    Thanks Roy and Charlie!
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    I cut and cleared the branches on that one ( pretty big ) before you guys rolled though, the main part was just to much for my wimpy 10 inch tool! Did you see the group of like 20 hikers out there?
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    Although I greatly appreciate when downed trees are removed, and I've spent time doing it myself, there are some tree removers that are over zealous in my opinion. If its a nice single log less than say knee high, I think they should stay. I view these as doable trail obstacles and add challenge to a trail. I'm not in favor of dumbing down a trail to its lowest common denominator rider. Recently, someone took a pick axe to a rocky trail section of a local trail. It was one of the more challenging sections and now is no more. Although this example isn't a tree, I think the idea is the same. Please think of all trail users when deciding to remove obstacle from trails.

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    Well there was no way in hell anyone could hop over this one, well done Roy!
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    1/2 mile up the Jim Donnelly


    We got a report of a 2' tree down on the JDT via one of our equestrian volunteers from some bikers. I went out yesterday to confirm and see what I could do.


    Definite blockage...


    I started out small...


    ..but quickly switched to a "Kangasaw-sized" tool.


    I was able to clear a hike-a-bike path around the impasse; hopefully the State chainsaw boys will come out next week and remove the rest of it.
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    Great reportage Pliebenberg.

    A group of us will be going to Coe Sunday the 30th of Dec. 2012, and we'll concentrate our feeble power upon the Grapevine and Cattle Duster trail fallen trees. I'm sure we'll have something to show here in the New Year (or sooner?).

    OT: Here's a photo of a tree I found on the Upper Stevens Canyon Trail today. It arches low just after a storm altered brook ford, and is really hard to limbo ride underneath. This is a trail that I do light maintenance on through the adopt-a-trail program with SC Parks and Rec. I'm not sure what to do about this yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sorcerer View Post
    Sunday the 29th of Dec. 2012
    Still on that Mayan calendar???
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    Two Bucked Trees

    Our mission to remove 2 trees blocking the trail on lower Grapevine and lower Cattle Duster met with success. The first green oak trunk on the Grapevine Trail was really big for handsaws. Plymmer and I had one each. Taking turns on different sides without swapping the tool saved a little time. But this was grueling work.

    Before and after:





    Neoprene booties were good to wear and sit on.

    Just down the trail a short way is this widow-maker tree arch:



    We headed up the Grapevine and into the Rock Garden.





    This is the second one:


    It was almost warm on top of Jackson Field Hill:


    Chris jumped for joy to be riding in Coe again:

    The last Coe ride of 2012!

    It was a good ride. We took Jackson Trail down. There is some bad guttering there in the usual bad places.


    Another example:




    We also climbed Domino Pond Trail on the ride. It was in pretty good shape. The reroute we put in to go around a huge fallen oak tree is now well established and serviceable.
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    Thanks for taking out those trees; that one on lower grapevine was big, which makes your effort all the more impressive. I thought it might require a chainsaw.

    Jackson is in serious need of some grade reversals; we've been visiting those same areas with drains and outslope for years, to no avail.

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    Thanks for taking out those trees; that one on lower grapevine was big, which makes your effort all the more impressive. I thought it might require a chainsaw.

    Jackson is in serious need of some grade reversals; we've been visiting those same areas with drains and outslope for years, to no avail.

    -D
    on the tree removals!

    RE Jackson Trail; somebody needs to take the State trails people there to see what a Sweco-built "State Standards Class I" trail looks like after a couple of decades of minimal maintenance. (and few if any grade reversals)
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    Actually the current Jackson Trail never did meet the CSP Class 1 criteria. Number one, it is steeper than that.

    The steep "wall" section could have been realigned close to the original plan some years ago when I was considering it. But after a lot of consideration I still feel the steep part is an essential love/hate element of this trail, and something will be lost when it gets removed. Interesting things happen on this section, both climbing, descending and in maintenance. It's dramatic.

    On the other hand, I think steep is pretty cool, especially for descending. The trail should receive some serious attention. Can the labor and power tools be allocated? It would be a great improvement to carve some meaningful and swoopy reversals.

    Some will remember the original Jackson Trail, which dropped into the area around the Cullen Trail intersection, and continued down the old steep jeep trail (Cougar-like) that you can still see which bisects lower Anza Trail, and down to Coit Rd. At the top the single track began at the same place the trail starts now, just below Elderberry Spring Trail, but continued in the straight vector of Jackson Rd over the knoll, and then intitially traversed down to the left. That trail was wild! There was a lot of steep fall-line stuff that you would have to get behind the seat to ride because there were no seat dropper posts back then.

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    Please don't slide...

    As posted elsewhere:


    Ranger Cam got to the tree on Tuesday and removed a substantial portion of it; the JDT is clear again but there's always a chance that the trunk could slide across the trail if the soil gets really soft. Fingers crossed that it doesn't...

    So yes reporting downed trees does work and gets results in a timely fashion.
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    Meanwhile to the Northwest

    High water and root rot and a mature bay laurel tree caused a "leaner" to occur right over a trail. The clearance was a hobbit-like 4 feet.



    A standing mcleod indicates the height.



    The trunk was happenstance propped up by a rotten dead tree.



    Time was spent examining the circumstance for safety concerns. BMPs and PPEs were observed.



    The "leaner" made the brook crossing nigh impossible to ride. On top of that, storm flow had altered the stream-bed ford.



    A plan was created. The "leaner" trunk was pulled off of the rotten stump with a fence-puller winch to unload the "leaner". It settled nearly a foot.



    Limbs were trimmed. The first cut was made.



    Not too big here.



    The second cut was towards the base.



    A passer by volunteered to help. I demurred (should have had a SCCO volunteer waiver handy), but he was so persistent that I let him have a go for about 30 strokes. It winded him.



    The third cut opened it up after I pushed the log down the bank using the human winch technique, laying down on my back, bracing, and successively pushing with my legs on the end of the log. I measured the length I wanted roughly with paces.



    The come-along was used to pull the log into place for the improvement of the ford.



    Gradually the log was guided into place.



    Additional work would be required.



    The crossing came out easy to ride. The ford was filled with big rock, medium rock, gravel, and sand, in that order. Water must pass though the fill. A storm event might cause this entire arrangement to fail. Cross that bridge later. One end of the log was beveled for enhanced clearance and safety.



    There was one additional task. The other half of the "leaner" lay across the trail.



    It would be simple labor to chop this up with the saw, but I heeded the voice in my head that was saying something that sounded like "log-over".



    Again, using the winch, I pulled the log to as close to perpendicular to the trail as I could, and ended up with a good flow, I thought.



    Multiple personal test rides of the work, and a demonstration by a passing rider (too fast to catch with a pic), proved to my satisfaction that this worked okay. The last test-ride was a clean pulling the loaded BOB trailer with a puny 26" wheeled hard-tail. It's a minimal construction. Hopefully it will be accepted as a nice feature. It will help slow traffic, which is a good thing to do here, as there is a steep rooty decline just past the log-over which has poor sight-lines.

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    Beautiful work and thank you for log over. I love to see these and many times when looking at the tree cleaning, which is greatly appreciated, wonder why there cannot be more. To me they make the trails more natural. A trail completely free of trees, limbs, rocks and other stuff just is not natural. Nature has stuff in it, and is just that way. Plus they are fun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sorcerer View Post
    High water and root rot and a mature bay laurel tree caused a "leaner" to occur right over a trail. The clearance was a hobbit-like 4 feet....


    ...Multiple personal test rides of the work, and a demonstration by a passing rider (too fast to catch with a pic), proved to my satisfaction that this worked okay. The last test-ride was a clean pulling the loaded BOB trailer with a puny 26" wheeled hard-tail. It's a minimal construction. Hopefully it will be accepted as a nice feature. It will help slow traffic, which is a good thing to do here, as there is a steep rooty decline just past the log-over which has poor sight-lines.
    ...a good man down!


    Quote Originally Posted by mudnucrud
    Beautiful work and thank you for log over. I love to see these and many times when looking at the tree cleaning, which is greatly appreciated, wonder why there cannot be more. To me they make the trails more natural. A trail completely free of trees, limbs, rocks and other stuff just is not natural. Nature has stuff in it, and is just that way. Plus they are fun.


    I came across a similar opportunity at Coe on the eastern part of the Elderberry Trail:

    I had a saw with me and I could have moved this pine from the trail if I had the time; it's too high for (most) riders to jump but hikers and horses can easily step over it by veering to the right of the trail where the log is already touching the ground.

    In a few years the branches holding it off the ground will rot and it will become a natural log-over. If I had made a cut (and not dragged it off the trail) to speed nature along then Coe's "Hiker Zealots" would have reported it as a "bike stunt" and continued the furor that supports their cause. (Which is that bikers have no business having fun in State Parks) Something for the "Trail Fairies" to keep in mind; especially if adding material for ramps---the "log-over" just became a jump!

    Of course different areas have different policies; unfortunately in State Parks the logs eventually must be removed. (unless 3' or over in diameter in which case the trail can be moved) We could try to get log-overs incorporated in the upcoming Trail Handbook revisions (they are talking about "pinch points" as bike speed checks) but I feel that is a long shot.
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    Live Oak Spring Road: "More than you can shake a stick at!"

    Another big Saturday ride in Coe.

    Up at the Kelly Repeater, Wilson Field Hill, just before we head on down north, Eric says, "Let's take Live Oak, you know it's downhill all the way!"

    So we did, except Foosh, who didnt get the memo somehow, although he was standing right next to me. We met up with Foosh at Pacheco Clump, much later.

    It was much later because I reckon Live Oak Trail needs to be renamed "Dead Pine Trail" considering.



    Less than a half mile in we came to this fallen pine. The ride was supposed to be a moving ride. I didn't bring any saw, on purpose. But Plymmer and Eric had one each so this tree went.



    The lads were pleased with themselves. However, grins turned sour corners down, for around the next corners and down the grade, we found many more trees down across this road.



    This blurry photo captures some of the wildness.



    I lost count of the number of trees down, but it is close to the number of all my toes and fingers together.



    Most of it could be done in time with an 18" saw and teamwork. Most of it wasn't too big. Yet there were some tangles of great extent.



    Plymmer set to grooming by combing the trail. Eventually he found his way to the Mississippi Queen.



    "Do you know what I mean?"





    Mississippi Lake is the queen of Coe's scenic jewels.
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    Sorry we missed you guys, Paul and I did a bit of riding there yesterday, parking lot was empty when we got there, did notice Plymmers car there when we got back
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