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    Anza/Grapevine Tree Action

    Hi,

    On Saturday May 26th 2012 while Plymmer took Ratpick, Fattire400 and I on a tour of the "Forgotten Ones" 10k my wife and a couple of riders spent nearly an hour cleaning up the area around the tree that has fallen by the intersection of Grapevine and Anza trails near the Wood Chopper Spring.

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    You'll still have to crawl under the tree coming down from the Grapevine Trail. The work makes it possible to ride or hike the Anza - Coit Road without much bother. It would be possible to move the trail about four feet up hill to make the connection from Grapevine to Anza rideable. However, the maintenance staff has been notified, and perhaps this will be mitigated before too long.

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    A Couple on the 2nd Climb on Middle Ridge Trail

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    On May 25th after the CPPF media event to hand-off the check to keep Henry W. Coe SP open, I went on a little ride to saw off some trees on the Middle Ridge Trail.










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    Wow, nice work!

    So our conditions report became out of date while we were still on our ride!

    Now we just need to talk some immune person into clearing the poison oak on grapevine...

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    Tree Down at Flat Frog near Grand Junction

    Hi,

    Okay here's another big one that has been known about for a couple of months almost. Because of a busy schedule no one has been able to address this huge tree, yet. However on Friday May 25th the abundant lush garlands of poison oak vines were removed so that stooping under the massive fallen Valley Oak (and dragging a bike along) is now possible without risking exposure to poison oak.

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    Eric didn't want to try to tackle it with the chainsaw, nor did he want to improve the go-under by dropping the trail tread. IMO, this is the best and easiest solution to this issue. That tree isn't going anywhere without explosives or a helicopter, or a serious chainsaw crew with some time on their hands.

    Sorry about the quality of the cellphone pics.
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    Instead of doing a bunch of chainsaw work, Eric trimmed up the roots where the trail went around and we improved the reroute. At least one group of hikers tried it out while we were there. Another group of bikers came by before we started working and went under without any trouble. I did manage to pull a McCleod under there and drop the tread a little.
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    Just a couple more...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fast Eddy View Post
    Instead of doing a bunch of chainsaw work, Eric trimmed up the roots where the trail went around and we improved the reroute. At least one group of hikers tried it out while we were there. Another group of bikers came by before we started working and went under without any trouble. I did manage to pull a McCleod under there and drop the tread a little.
    Per the DPR Trails Handbook re-routing the trail is the right thing to do. The qualifying factor is a trunk diameter of 3' or greater. The logic is that a fallen tree is a natural feature and should be left alone unless safety is an issue. In this case re-routing above makes perfect sense.
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    Who will be first to clean the re-route on a bike?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sorcerer View Post
    Who will be first to clean the re-route on a bike?
    The reroute is very soft and there are steps cut into soft dirt going around the north side of the tree roots. I would be sad if someone tried to ride it. Please take your wheeled locusts underneath the tree.

    I would not be sad at all if someone rerouted the trail 2' deeper under the tree and chain-sawed another foot of clearance around the hole. It could be made rideable and sustainable with a day of hard work if it could be approved.

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    Okay.

    The idea of rigging the tree and winching it off the hillside so that it would fall into the gulch was advanced earlier. That would be a risky operation with unpredictable results. Alternatively I wonder if it could be jacked (no triangle of death) up until it rolled, and repeated until moved below the trail?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sorcerer View Post
    Alternatively I wonder if it could be jacked (no triangle of death) up until it rolled, and repeated until moved below the trail?
    750 kg per cubic meter for oak (*). 1.5m avg diameter (conservative) * 3.14 * 8m = 28260 kg = 30 tons.

    You'd have to cut it into three pieces to pull it out with a SkyCrane.

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    Pies are square; nooo...

    Quote Originally Posted by Fast Eddy View Post
    750 kg per cubic meter for oak (*). 1.5m avg diameter (conservative) * 3.14 * 8m = 28260 kg = 30 tons.

    You'd have to cut it into three pieces to pull it out with a SkyCrane.

    * Wood Densities
    ...pies are round; cakes are square!

    Interesting 'rithamatic you use Eddy; I think you'll find your numbers are off by a bit on the high side. No matter; a Skycrane is well over $5K an hour so I don't think that'll happen considering the DPR's financials. Plus; it looks like if it was sectioned for lifting it would head down the hill anyway (problem solved).

    Hey I forgot to thank you for going out and helping Eric and crew!
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    Quote Originally Posted by pliebenberg View Post
    Interesting 'rithamatic you use Eddy; I think you'll find your numbers are off by a bit on the high side.
    So much for my expensive edumication.

    0.75 squared * 3.14 * 8m * 750 = 10600kg = 11 tons.

    I'll bet the wood would be worth an hour of skycrane time...

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    Phegley Phreeway

    Quote Originally Posted by Sorcerer View Post
    LocoYokel reported this last year I think.

    A narrow volunteer trail is well worn in below the tree now. It may damage the tree roots it skirts around eventually, so something will be done eventually.



    The photo is from Weds, 10/12.
    This tree is still there and since the bypass has become well bedded-in it will likely rot away before it's removed.

    More of interest though is that the DPR recently ran the grader all the way down Phegley Ridge Road; for the amount of use it gets it sort of seems like a waste---but for fire/public safety access I guess it makes sense. Here my son starts down the "wall":
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    My daughter rolls out after descending the Phegley Wall. For thrill seekers this is probably the most rad wall in Coe given the steep/straight/length combo! (There are steeper ones but not this long with a clear roll-out) That grader operator has balls...
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    Quote Originally Posted by pliebenberg View Post
    Phegley Ridge Road
    If it is just the road, it's a not a huge concern. I don't think it required grading, but thanks for cutting the grass.

    Personally, I think Redfern is a better descent. It's got the views and the trees, and it's last section is insane. IIRC the Solstice ride is going up that.

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    First off, let me say "Thank you!" to the folks involved with the tree removals shown in the earlier posts in this thread


    For a few months now, there has been a large fallen Oak blocking Cattle Duster Trail near the top of Grapevine. The pedantic will know this is technically Coit Spring Trail but commonly it is thought of as Cattle Duster. Yesterday Roy and I set out to see if we could clear the trail. Here you see Roy and Kangasaw hard at work:





    I'm going to switch this around and show the "after" photo first. It was such a mess, maybe this will make more sense?

    Looking up hill, after:





    …before:





    From the opposite direction...after:





    And before:





    Here is the debris field showing how much was cut and removed:



    90 minutes work for two people.



    Roy checks the overhead clearance:





    Roy is the boss, graaaaahhhhhhhhhh





    We also cleared a nearby much smaller fallen tree. You'll be able to ride through here, no problem. Yay!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skyline35 View Post
    First off, let me say "Thank you!" to the folks involved with the tree removals shown in the earlier posts in this thread


    For a few months now, there has been a large fallen Oak blocking Cattle Duster Trail near the top of Grapevine. .....


    We also cleared a nearby much smaller fallen tree. You'll be able to ride through here, no problem. Yay!

    ///Charlie
    Awesome work guys. Thanks for the effort. That one was a huge pain in the ass to come across, in either direction.

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    I have to take my due credit for making the 'before' version passable. Before 'before', people were climbing the bank to the north. I went through there the day before the VOCal trailwork.

    Great work on the 'after' version!

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    Who needs a saw?

    Quote Originally Posted by pliebenberg View Post

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    Hi Paul,

    Do you think this one could be dragged off the road?



    Live Oak Spring Road at 37.142455 -121.4185967 (Sept 15, 2012)

    ///Charlie

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    Absolutely!

    Quote Originally Posted by Skyline35 View Post
    Hi Paul,

    Do you think this one could be dragged off the road?

    Live Oak Spring Road at 37.142455 -121.4185967 (Sept 15, 2012)

    ///Charlie
    Thanks Charlie! This may explain the shortage of water at Pacheco Camp if it has fallen across the pipe; did you see a wet spot in the vicinity?

    I'll pass this along to the proper Authorities (???)

    If Staff doesn't get to it first; there will be volunteers in the area with 4x4's 2 weekends in a row---first the UV "ride-a-long" training on 10/13 and then the TASPC work event on 10/20. One way or another I'm sure it'll get moved.

    This is a good segue to the new California State Parks Foundation website; About POP ---it's already been met with some skepticism within the MTBing community but I think it looks like a winner.

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    I've been envisioning something much like it just for Coe but they've "beaten me to the punch"! I hope they expand it to include Coe soon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skyline35 View Post
    At the intersection of Grapevine and Anza:





    A Park maintenance truck would easily be able to drive up Grapevine Road to here.

    ///Charlie
    Fixed!






    Quote Originally Posted by Skyline35 View Post
    Hi Paul,

    Do you think this one could be dragged off the road?



    Live Oak Spring Road at 37.142455 -121.4185967 (Sept 15, 2012)

    ///Charlie
    I saw that one has been cleared too. Yay!

    ///Charlie

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    Skyline, congratulations on the huge ride yesterday! You are amazing. Thanks for reporting the tree down on Live Oak. When I copied the post about it, I immediately forwarded the information to the Sector Maintenance Chief and the Coe Mountain Bike Patrol (I think I might have beaten Pliebenberg to it).

    It wasn't long before I received word that someone from staff would go out and pull it off the road. And so eventually it was removed.

    That's how things are supposed to work!

    MTBR is a great medium. Pliebenberg has done so much in his time volunteering with Henry W Coe. This thread is incredibly useful.

    The tree that was down at Anza and the Grapevine was reported at the last Coe trails meeting a couple of weeks ago, and must have resulted in it's removal.

    Good news: The huge tree which has fallen down on Flat Frog has been re-evaluated by staff and I heard that they have a plan to remove it by sections. It may sound like what Pliebenberg would've liked to do if they let volunteers operate powertools in the park. We might see it gone in two months.

    The Pliny tree down, and sign threads are useful. They really help and get things done. Please keep the reports coming. Don't hesitate to ask questions about status etc. as well. It helps to keep pressure on I think.

    For next weekend I have my saw's sights on a tree down on Bear Spring Trail.

    Again, thanks Skyline35, and good job on the 100k ride. You and the other heroes of this weekend are an inspiration.

    Now I know I need to make time in my life to prepare for the 2013 10k, ,100k, and 100 miles of Coe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sorcerer View Post
    Skyline, congratulations on the huge ride yesterday!...good job on the 100k ride. You and the other heroes of this weekend are an inspiration.

    Now I know I need to make time in my life to prepare for the 2013 10k, ,100k, and 100 miles of Coe.
    Thank you!

    Paul, these rides are a continuation of an awesome culture which grew out of your annual Solstice rides. And I have no doubt that if you set your mind to it, you could complete the 100 miles.

    Thanks for all you do for Coe Park!
    ///Charlie

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    The Monterey District Trail Crew reported that they bucked the big tree fallen across the Flat Frog Trail today.

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    Any updated information on doing trail work at Henry Coe?

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    Good question Michael,

    Until further notice, by the order of the Supervising Ranger, tread work of any kind (ie. moving soil), may only be conducted with supervision of paid staff.

    Brushing by authorized volunteers is still allowed, so we've continued our brushing and dead-fall bucking activities.

    2nd Saturday trail work will resume this November the 10th. What gets done depends upon soil and weather conditions, and staff availability.

    There has been detailed scrutiny upon the JDT which yields specific prescriptive changes. Most of this was work we planned on doing anyway. However, some of it isn't. To put it in the kindest way, I would say that the current condition and original conception of the JDT build out represents less excavation and less impact upon the the hillside.

    This past weekend the bike patrol did a bunch of brushing work in the center of the park. We removed large concentrations of deadfall on Bear Spring and Canteen Spring Trails. I'll post pics later sometime.

    Fast Eddy and Pliebenberg have some additional excitement to share as well.

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    Excitement!?!?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sorcerer View Post

    Fast Eddy and Pliebenberg have some additional excitement to share as well.
    Might have had some excitement if we'd had room to bring our bikes along!

    We did clear several trees but didn't have to touch a saw; Ed's Land Cruiser busted them in half first and then we just towed them away with a strap.

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    Live Oak Springs Road; after removing the strap we would roll it over the edge.

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    Coit Road

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    Nothing like climbing Bear Mountain in air-conditioned comfort! (actually the a/c was off and the windows rolled down---beautiful day!) I was thinking about the Hard COEre participants the whole time while driving up the mountain.

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    Have your water filter? I found this tiny spring-fed oasis up Kelly Cabin Canyon Creek not too far from bone-dry Coyote Creek East Fork at Los Cruzeros while killing time waiting for the trainees. Full of fish, turtles and etc.

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    Doing some "real" wilderness first-aid was probably the most excitement I had during the weekend. While removing some trash from the Coyote Creek a fellow Uniformed Volunteer got snagged by a discarded fish hook. If Don would have left it in overnight we could have included the removal in the "fishing demonstration" on Sunday.

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    Success!

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    Coe Mountain Bike Patrol members Chris V, Paul (Sorcerer), Roy (plymmer) and Eric S give the trainees a briefing on what the Patrol's mission at Coe is. Plymmer is showing the correct way to hold a discarded Mylar balloon.

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    Lunchtime for the caravan drivers at Coit Lake Dam

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    Aforementioned fishing "demonstration" (the need for this demonstration may sound a little silly at first but the Uniformed Volunteers are expected to know which species can be caught at what lakes and offer tips to park visitors should they inquire)

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    This was the last hike for the Uniformed Volunteer trainees; Ranger John leads them down Willow Springs Trail to the waiting caravan.

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    Don S (fish hook man), Lynne and Fast Eddy demonstrate what it takes to be a successful Uniformed Volunteer.

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    Official class photo; a couple of these folks want to become MTBers after hearing about how much fun MTBing can be at Coe!
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    Canteen Spring Trail

    Plymmer and I did work on Saturday on Bear Spring Trail (maybe pictures late). Next morning three of us went out to the Canteen Spring Trail.



    These are photos from Superstoker's phone.



    We took out 4 or 5 trees like this over the trail.



    In a typical late winter and spring this area has a brook flowing through it. Then by May the area is chin high with green plants.



    It's hard to see the "trail" here, both in the photos and when you are here even. Either way, the trees were in the way for a long time.



    Since these trees had been laying here for over a year, they were partially rotten, which made the cutting a lot faster.



    Still, this was not easy



    Bucking log.



    Rock and roll.



    Finishing touch.

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    Plymmer and the Log

    On Saturday we arrived at Bear Spring Trail to remove another fallen tree.



    Even though you can kind of scoot underneath this tree,
    Plymmer agrees. "It's got to go."



    There's a certain kind of patience and persistence required to saw through a tree in the middle of nowhere.
    The hardest and most time consuming part is merely getting there to do the job,



    There's a bunch of techniques we learn and discover, which include different sawing angles, high-speed relay sawing sprints,
    pinning rocks in the groove to prevent pinching, and even propping things up with various objects.



    This one was easy to roll away. So satisfying to do sometimes.



    No time to waste. On to the next woody trail encroachment.




    Bear Spring flowing at 2 deciliters per minute of cool fresh water about a half mile above where the tree was. An important and strategic source of water.

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    Feeling kinda wimpy that pliebenberg and I used the tractor on this little one on Coit Rd and another, slightly bigger one on Live Oak Spring.


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    fyi the fallen tree on the Orestimba Creek Trail has been removed

    Roy Kangasawed it:





    Turned out to be a big job but Roy got'er done:





    It was a great ride out there yesterday. After the tree removal, we checked out Canteen Trail…great work guys!

    Oh, along the way, Roy almost got eaten by monster disguised as a fallen tree:



    …but he managed to escape. Close one!

    ///Charlie

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    Bravo plymmer!

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    Roy Kangasawed it:



    Thanks Roy and Charlie!
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    I cut and cleared the branches on that one ( pretty big ) before you guys rolled though, the main part was just to much for my wimpy 10 inch tool! Did you see the group of like 20 hikers out there?
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    Although I greatly appreciate when downed trees are removed, and I've spent time doing it myself, there are some tree removers that are over zealous in my opinion. If its a nice single log less than say knee high, I think they should stay. I view these as doable trail obstacles and add challenge to a trail. I'm not in favor of dumbing down a trail to its lowest common denominator rider. Recently, someone took a pick axe to a rocky trail section of a local trail. It was one of the more challenging sections and now is no more. Although this example isn't a tree, I think the idea is the same. Please think of all trail users when deciding to remove obstacle from trails.

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    Well there was no way in hell anyone could hop over this one, well done Roy!
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    1/2 mile up the Jim Donnelly


    We got a report of a 2' tree down on the JDT via one of our equestrian volunteers from some bikers. I went out yesterday to confirm and see what I could do.


    Definite blockage...


    I started out small...


    ..but quickly switched to a "Kangasaw-sized" tool.


    I was able to clear a hike-a-bike path around the impasse; hopefully the State chainsaw boys will come out next week and remove the rest of it.
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    Great reportage Pliebenberg.

    A group of us will be going to Coe Sunday the 30th of Dec. 2012, and we'll concentrate our feeble power upon the Grapevine and Cattle Duster trail fallen trees. I'm sure we'll have something to show here in the New Year (or sooner?).

    OT: Here's a photo of a tree I found on the Upper Stevens Canyon Trail today. It arches low just after a storm altered brook ford, and is really hard to limbo ride underneath. This is a trail that I do light maintenance on through the adopt-a-trail program with SC Parks and Rec. I'm not sure what to do about this yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sorcerer View Post
    Sunday the 29th of Dec. 2012
    Still on that Mayan calendar???
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    Two Bucked Trees

    Our mission to remove 2 trees blocking the trail on lower Grapevine and lower Cattle Duster met with success. The first green oak trunk on the Grapevine Trail was really big for handsaws. Plymmer and I had one each. Taking turns on different sides without swapping the tool saved a little time. But this was grueling work.

    Before and after:





    Neoprene booties were good to wear and sit on.

    Just down the trail a short way is this widow-maker tree arch:



    We headed up the Grapevine and into the Rock Garden.





    This is the second one:


    It was almost warm on top of Jackson Field Hill:


    Chris jumped for joy to be riding in Coe again:

    The last Coe ride of 2012!

    It was a good ride. We took Jackson Trail down. There is some bad guttering there in the usual bad places.


    Another example:




    We also climbed Domino Pond Trail on the ride. It was in pretty good shape. The reroute we put in to go around a huge fallen oak tree is now well established and serviceable.
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    Thanks for taking out those trees; that one on lower grapevine was big, which makes your effort all the more impressive. I thought it might require a chainsaw.

    Jackson is in serious need of some grade reversals; we've been visiting those same areas with drains and outslope for years, to no avail.

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    Thanks!

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    Thanks for taking out those trees; that one on lower grapevine was big, which makes your effort all the more impressive. I thought it might require a chainsaw.

    Jackson is in serious need of some grade reversals; we've been visiting those same areas with drains and outslope for years, to no avail.

    -D
    on the tree removals!

    RE Jackson Trail; somebody needs to take the State trails people there to see what a Sweco-built "State Standards Class I" trail looks like after a couple of decades of minimal maintenance. (and few if any grade reversals)
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    Actually the current Jackson Trail never did meet the CSP Class 1 criteria. Number one, it is steeper than that.

    The steep "wall" section could have been realigned close to the original plan some years ago when I was considering it. But after a lot of consideration I still feel the steep part is an essential love/hate element of this trail, and something will be lost when it gets removed. Interesting things happen on this section, both climbing, descending and in maintenance. It's dramatic.

    On the other hand, I think steep is pretty cool, especially for descending. The trail should receive some serious attention. Can the labor and power tools be allocated? It would be a great improvement to carve some meaningful and swoopy reversals.

    Some will remember the original Jackson Trail, which dropped into the area around the Cullen Trail intersection, and continued down the old steep jeep trail (Cougar-like) that you can still see which bisects lower Anza Trail, and down to Coit Rd. At the top the single track began at the same place the trail starts now, just below Elderberry Spring Trail, but continued in the straight vector of Jackson Rd over the knoll, and then intitially traversed down to the left. That trail was wild! There was a lot of steep fall-line stuff that you would have to get behind the seat to ride because there were no seat dropper posts back then.

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    Please don't slide...

    As posted elsewhere:


    Ranger Cam got to the tree on Tuesday and removed a substantial portion of it; the JDT is clear again but there's always a chance that the trunk could slide across the trail if the soil gets really soft. Fingers crossed that it doesn't...

    So yes reporting downed trees does work and gets results in a timely fashion.
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    Meanwhile to the Northwest

    High water and root rot and a mature bay laurel tree caused a "leaner" to occur right over a trail. The clearance was a hobbit-like 4 feet.



    A standing mcleod indicates the height.



    The trunk was happenstance propped up by a rotten dead tree.



    Time was spent examining the circumstance for safety concerns. BMPs and PPEs were observed.



    The "leaner" made the brook crossing nigh impossible to ride. On top of that, storm flow had altered the stream-bed ford.



    A plan was created. The "leaner" trunk was pulled off of the rotten stump with a fence-puller winch to unload the "leaner". It settled nearly a foot.



    Limbs were trimmed. The first cut was made.



    Not too big here.



    The second cut was towards the base.



    A passer by volunteered to help. I demurred (should have had a SCCO volunteer waiver handy), but he was so persistent that I let him have a go for about 30 strokes. It winded him.



    The third cut opened it up after I pushed the log down the bank using the human winch technique, laying down on my back, bracing, and successively pushing with my legs on the end of the log. I measured the length I wanted roughly with paces.



    The come-along was used to pull the log into place for the improvement of the ford.



    Gradually the log was guided into place.



    Additional work would be required.



    The crossing came out easy to ride. The ford was filled with big rock, medium rock, gravel, and sand, in that order. Water must pass though the fill. A storm event might cause this entire arrangement to fail. Cross that bridge later. One end of the log was beveled for enhanced clearance and safety.



    There was one additional task. The other half of the "leaner" lay across the trail.



    It would be simple labor to chop this up with the saw, but I heeded the voice in my head that was saying something that sounded like "log-over".



    Again, using the winch, I pulled the log to as close to perpendicular to the trail as I could, and ended up with a good flow, I thought.



    Multiple personal test rides of the work, and a demonstration by a passing rider (too fast to catch with a pic), proved to my satisfaction that this worked okay. The last test-ride was a clean pulling the loaded BOB trailer with a puny 26" wheeled hard-tail. It's a minimal construction. Hopefully it will be accepted as a nice feature. It will help slow traffic, which is a good thing to do here, as there is a steep rooty decline just past the log-over which has poor sight-lines.

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    Beautiful work and thank you for log over. I love to see these and many times when looking at the tree cleaning, which is greatly appreciated, wonder why there cannot be more. To me they make the trails more natural. A trail completely free of trees, limbs, rocks and other stuff just is not natural. Nature has stuff in it, and is just that way. Plus they are fun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sorcerer View Post
    High water and root rot and a mature bay laurel tree caused a "leaner" to occur right over a trail. The clearance was a hobbit-like 4 feet....


    ...Multiple personal test rides of the work, and a demonstration by a passing rider (too fast to catch with a pic), proved to my satisfaction that this worked okay. The last test-ride was a clean pulling the loaded BOB trailer with a puny 26" wheeled hard-tail. It's a minimal construction. Hopefully it will be accepted as a nice feature. It will help slow traffic, which is a good thing to do here, as there is a steep rooty decline just past the log-over which has poor sight-lines.
    ...a good man down!


    Quote Originally Posted by mudnucrud
    Beautiful work and thank you for log over. I love to see these and many times when looking at the tree cleaning, which is greatly appreciated, wonder why there cannot be more. To me they make the trails more natural. A trail completely free of trees, limbs, rocks and other stuff just is not natural. Nature has stuff in it, and is just that way. Plus they are fun.


    I came across a similar opportunity at Coe on the eastern part of the Elderberry Trail:

    I had a saw with me and I could have moved this pine from the trail if I had the time; it's too high for (most) riders to jump but hikers and horses can easily step over it by veering to the right of the trail where the log is already touching the ground.

    In a few years the branches holding it off the ground will rot and it will become a natural log-over. If I had made a cut (and not dragged it off the trail) to speed nature along then Coe's "Hiker Zealots" would have reported it as a "bike stunt" and continued the furor that supports their cause. (Which is that bikers have no business having fun in State Parks) Something for the "Trail Fairies" to keep in mind; especially if adding material for ramps---the "log-over" just became a jump!

    Of course different areas have different policies; unfortunately in State Parks the logs eventually must be removed. (unless 3' or over in diameter in which case the trail can be moved) We could try to get log-overs incorporated in the upcoming Trail Handbook revisions (they are talking about "pinch points" as bike speed checks) but I feel that is a long shot.
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    Live Oak Spring Road: "More than you can shake a stick at!"

    Another big Saturday ride in Coe.

    Up at the Kelly Repeater, Wilson Field Hill, just before we head on down north, Eric says, "Let's take Live Oak, you know it's downhill all the way!"

    So we did, except Foosh, who didnt get the memo somehow, although he was standing right next to me. We met up with Foosh at Pacheco Clump, much later.

    It was much later because I reckon Live Oak Trail needs to be renamed "Dead Pine Trail" considering.



    Less than a half mile in we came to this fallen pine. The ride was supposed to be a moving ride. I didn't bring any saw, on purpose. But Plymmer and Eric had one each so this tree went.



    The lads were pleased with themselves. However, grins turned sour corners down, for around the next corners and down the grade, we found many more trees down across this road.



    This blurry photo captures some of the wildness.



    I lost count of the number of trees down, but it is close to the number of all my toes and fingers together.



    Most of it could be done in time with an 18" saw and teamwork. Most of it wasn't too big. Yet there were some tangles of great extent.



    Plymmer set to grooming by combing the trail. Eventually he found his way to the Mississippi Queen.



    "Do you know what I mean?"

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    Mississippi Lake is the queen of Coe's scenic jewels.
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    Sorry we missed you guys, Paul and I did a bit of riding there yesterday, parking lot was empty when we got there, did notice Plymmers car there when we got back
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