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    PCT Realignment in the Sierra Buttes

    Just got an e-mail looks like we will no longer be able to ride the Deer Lake & Tamarack trails soon. We will be able to ride the old PCT alignment to Gold lakes road and share it with motorcycles. Thing is most people who poach the PCT are not going to Gold lakes road and will continue on, and the work they will do to realign sections of the Deer Lake and Tamarack trails will just make them more desirable to ride. So I'll go on record right now and say that this will only increase poaching on the PCT not reduce it. Do they think the people that have ridden these trails for decades will actually stop cause it has a sign saying it's the PCT now, pretty laughable if you ask me.

    Go figure the PCT was suitable for bikes all along
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    The PCT Realignment Project Decision Notice and Finding of No Significant Impact (attached) was signed by Tom Quinn (Tahoe National Forest Supervisor) on July 18, 2013.


    This was in that letter also:
    Based on consistent observations of mountain bike tracks, the Yuba River Ranger District’s estimation is that there is currently more mountain bike use on the PCT between Packer Saddle and Deer Lake than on Deer Lake or Tamarack trails. The District acknowledges that some mountain bike riders use Deer Lake and Tamarack trails, but the District estimates that this use is relatively low. The District understands that the proposed action will not eliminate all mountain bike trespass, but believes that overall it will reduce the amount of trespass on the PCT in the Sierra Buttes/Packer Saddle area. The Forest Service also recognizes that law enforcement efforts along the PCT will need to continue, or increase, to minimize trespass.
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    yah - there was some grumbly hiker (who does good trail work) that saw a few cyclists in that area around the 4th of July.....

    he wants to organize a volunteer group to raise $$ for game cameras to take pics of riders, along with game cameras to match them up with them parking....then move the cameras around a bit on some sort of schedule

    the dude saw 1 cyclist 1 day, and a group of 3 another day...out of 10 freaking days on the trail...

    people are nutty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CHUM View Post
    yah - there was some grumbly hiker (who does good trail work) that saw a few cyclists in that area around the 4th of July.....

    he wants to organize a volunteer group to raise $$ for game cameras to take pics of riders, along with game cameras to match them up with them parking....then move the cameras around a bit on some sort of schedule

    the dude saw 1 cyclist 1 day, and a group of 3 another day...out of 10 freaking days on the trail...

    people are nutty.
    It'll be interesting to see if the PCT signs stay upright in the area.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zorg View Post
    It'll be interesting to see if the PCT signs stay upright in the area.
    Good Question...i'd imagine some of the signs removed for a souvenir...

    Also, this nutty hiker (and a small group) did a fair chunk of trail work. if only they'd be all friendly and nice (including MTBr's on the PCT) they could get more help from us, and still only see a couple cyclists a day...

    people sure are dumb sometimes....
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    More enforcement rather than an honest look at a clearly outdated policy? Sounds like our government!

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    I just hope the old PCT alignment does not go the route of Chimney rock which I stopped riding many years ago cause it got so beat up by the moto's. Hopefully it holds up as the moto's are also gunning for access to the Sunshine trail.

    The new buffed out trails should make for a pretty sweet loop before dropping down to D-Ville, but don't do it cause it's called the PCT now!
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    can you paste the actual letter? I dont really understand whats going on here or how this will change things for people who currently use a segment of the pct to access the deer lake loop.

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    I'll have to see if I can find the link to the original PDF document that out lines what is happening. I did save off a map from the document that I'll post up now.

    But it looks like there going to Obliterate and Eliminate the section of the PCT before it reaches the Deer Lake trail in hopes that it will deter folks from continuing riding on the PCT.
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    Here is the Original Document, the letter I just got says they found no significant impact and they will basically move forward on the project unless some appeal is filed in the next 45 days or so.

    http://a123.g.akamai.net/7/123/11558...T3_1390493.pdf


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    Dear PCT Realignment Project Interested Party:



    The PCT Realignment Project Decision Notice and Finding of No Significant Impact (attached) was signed by Tom Quinn (Tahoe National Forest Supervisor) on July 18, 2013. If you no longer have the PCT Realignment Project Environmental Assessment (EA) and supporting documents and desire a copy, they can be obtained by contacting either Project Leader Joe Chavez (joetchavez@fs.fed.us) or Yuba River Ranger District Environmental Coordinator Dennis Stevens (dwstevens@fs.fed.us). The legal notice of the decision is expected to be published in Grass Valley’s The Union newspaper as soon as July 22, 2013. The date of the legal notice in The Union will establish the timeframe for the 45-day appeal filing period under 36 CFR 215. You will also find attached a letter of notification for the decision, and the Forest Service’s responses to comments made to the EA.



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    631 Coyote Street

    Nevada City, CA 95959

    Phone: 530-478-6158

    FAX: 530-478-6109

    email: joetchavez@fs.fed.us

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    It'll be interesting to see if the hikers stick to the new PCT alignment, or if they'll just stay on the crest, hiking in harmony with other trail users.

    Will the "old" PCT be renamed? I vote for "Perfect Cycling Trail"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Empty_Beer View Post
    It'll be interesting to see if the hikers stick to the new PCT alignment, or if they'll just stay on the crest, hiking in harmony with other trail users.

    Will the "old" PCT be renamed? I vote for "Preferred" Cycling Trail"
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    Jersey anyone?
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    if I read the map right this looks like a good thing. the existing alignment will become multiuse and allow legal singletrack access to the deer lake loop

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    Quote Originally Posted by TahoeBC View Post
    Jersey anyone?
    I would love to see some of these in a black/grey combo with PCT logo using the BMX/DH template with 3/4 sleeves. ($90ish, minimum 6 jerseys)

    I could settle for Men's Club Cut SS Jersey too. ($92-$105 depending upon options, minimum 6 jerseys)

    Anyone else?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rox View Post
    if I read the map right this looks like a good thing. the existing alignment will become multiuse and allow legal singletrack access to the deer lake loop
    They decommission a existing section of the PCT that connects to Deer lake trail, Deer lake trail it's self becomes the PCT.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TahoeBC View Post
    Jersey anyone?
    Nice!

    Move over the emblem up and over to the right side so the zipper doesn't cut it in half.

    Then add the text 'Patrol', 'Security', or 'Safety' underneath (and across the back)......



    actually, that last bit may get someone in hot water
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    If I remember right Empty_Beer was sporting one of those P.C.T. T-shirts at the Coolest 24 last month. Very cool.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by MIKE157 View Post
    If I remember right Empty_Beer was sporting one of those P.C.T. T-shirts at the Coolest 24 last month. Very cool.....
    I wore one of those t shirts into my local REI and hung around the hiking shoe section for awhile. Pretty entertaining

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    ^^ They're all out of stock...

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    Get them redone in time for the Tahoe trail work weekend.
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    PCT Realignment in the Sierra Buttes

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    This is sad news. I really like deer lake trail. It doesn't make sense why pct can't be multi use.
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    Quote Originally Posted by d-bug View Post
    This is sad news. I really like deer lake trail. It doesn't make sense why pct can't be multi use.
    It is quite a great trail.

    I wrote Joe an email asking if motos could have access if they as long as they shut bikes out. Let's see if he responds. ;-)

    Seriously though, hopefully he hears enough from bikers that they consider allowing bikes for Deer Lake trail and continue with what other changes they feel are best.

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