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    Caution;  Merge;  Workers Ahead! Parts of Shell Ridge are virtually unrideable

    This is what the Briones to Mt. Diablo Trail looked like yesterday (03/11) morning:

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    A 1.5-mile stretch of the trail that transects an area open to cow grazing was in this state virtually without a break. I'd stay away for a few more weeks.
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    Not like it is going to be all that much better once it dries....unless you want some fillings to pop out of your mouth.

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    Shame on the mountainbikers for damaging the trail like that!

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    Quote Originally Posted by erginguney View Post
    This is what the Briones to Mt. Diablo Trail looked like yesterday (03/11) morning:

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    A 1.5-mile stretch of the trail that transects an area open to cow grazing was in this state virtually without a break. I'd stay away for a few more weeks.
    A mile and a half??? How does one even fix that without machinery? That prolly filled with poop too.

    When I first started riding at Mission Peak in Fremont, I ventured out to the traverses to Ed Levin Park in Milpitas. Same cow damage...
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    Not to worry. They will hit it with a bulldozer next month and good to go, just like new.
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    Last year there was a lot of complaints from even the non-cyclist population in the area because apparently the land manager allowed grazing to take place earlier in the year than in the past. The results were massive damage.

    I think this year is a bit different, just because of the sheer amount of rain we've had. The soil out there is crap after even a slight sprinkle.

    That being said. I rode "some stuff" at Shell Ridge that's north of the Briones Mt. Diablo trail this weekend and it was almost all excellente.
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    Can we buy grazing rights and just not put any cattle out there?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RoscoP View Post
    Can we buy grazing rights and just not put any cattle out there?
    The lease he has helps keep it open for you. You want to pay $10 a ride ? The land was granted under a stipulation it remains grazing land as well.
    Deal with it.
    I went to Briones yesterday and it was a shit show wherever the hillside cross drains or in the Valleys. The top is good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chasejj View Post
    The lease he has helps keep it open for you. You want to pay $10 a ride ? The land was granted under a stipulation it remains grazing land as well.
    Deal with it.
    I went to Briones yesterday and it was a shit show wherever the hillside cross drains or in the Valleys. The top is good.
    Did a loop today and that pretty well describes it.


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    Would $10 include shuttle?

    If it was my backyard, I'd probably pay $10-15 a year. Enough people could subsidize moving to small heritage breeds which do less damage.

    In my experience, if the trails look like that then the creeks and low shady spots look ten times worse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RoscoP View Post
    Would $10 include shuttle?

    If it was my backyard, I'd probably pay $10-15 a year. Enough people could subsidize moving to small heritage breeds which do less damage.

    In my experience, if the trails look like that then the creeks and low shady spots look ten times worse.
    Doubtful. Bottom line is the grazing more than likely insures your access. If left up to the crazy Libs around here they would shut it down to MTBers because they scared their dog. The cows keep it rural and wild and like that personally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chasejj View Post
    Doubtful. Bottom line is the grazing more than likely insures your access. If left up to the crazy Libs around here they would shut it down to MTBers because they scared their dog. The cows keep it rural and wild and like that personally.
    Yawn, "crazy libs" is lazy and inaccurate . All kinds of people use the open space, all kinds of people ride bikes. I'd be more inclined to say "crazy conservative horsemen would shut it down to MTBers because they scared their horse", but really, someone's political leanings have nothing at all to do with it, and you just come off looking dumb.

    Cows rural and wild? lmao, It's not rural, it's in the middle of an enormous suburb. Cows aren't wild animals. Coyotes and bobcats and deer are what keeps it wild. Cows do nothing but ruin both the trails and the habitats of the true wild animals there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe_510 View Post
    Yawn, "crazy libs" is lazy and inaccurate . All kinds of people use the open space, all kinds of people ride bikes. I'd be more inclined to say "crazy conservative horsemen would shut it down to MTBers because they scared their horse", but really, someone's political leanings have nothing at all to do with it, and you just come off looking dumb.

    Cows rural and wild? lmao, It's not rural, it's in the middle of an enormous suburb. Cows aren't wild animals. Coyotes and bobcats and deer are what keeps it wild. Cows do nothing but ruin both the trails and the habitats of the true wild animals there.
    You are exactly the crazy lib I was referring to......ironic.

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    Congrats, have fun riding garbage trail ruined by cows, apparently you like it!
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    I actually don't like it. But I don't presume that my desire to ride in a very populated area includes driving a Rancher out of land he historically has used and shared with other users. I like Ranchers and Farmers and MTBers and Dog owners and some hikers (:-)). So just get along. A few more days and some teeth rattling rides in sun and it all goes away. Relax.

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    ^^ We usually get the trails we deserve!

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    You need a posse of fat bikers to hit that trail as it dries out right before the mud sets up. would fix it right up.

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    Standard for the foothills. Someone said top is good, couldn't agree more. Head higher if possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EBrider View Post
    Not to worry. They will hit it with a bulldozer next month and good to go, just like new.
    Once it dries, you can just ride it. It will be just like riding technical chop. Suspension is nice.

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    I Was was so fed up with the cow chop after yesterdays ride, I went to El Molino and got steak tacos
    Thought about taking them to eat in front of the cows just to be extra spiteful.

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    I'll tell you one thing that in 20 years of fighting for trail access in Tahoe and the Bay Area most of the people that want trails closed to Mountain Bikers were not Republican. Remember that when it comes to anything in the liberal agenda they only know one thing... Control and regulation!

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    I unfortunately have to echo some of that liberal sentiment about controlling trails. A lot of people on the left feel entitled to stop people from engaging in activities that they don't understand or engage in. Bikes scare their transgender labordoodles. Therefore, bikes are bad. I'm not a conservative btw.

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    Quote Originally Posted by P51mech View Post
    I'll tell you one thing that in 20 years of fighting for trail access in Tahoe and the Bay Area most of the people that want trails closed to Mountain Bikers were not Republican. Remember that when it comes to anything in the liberal agenda they only know one thing... Control and regulation!
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    Quote Originally Posted by nailtrail View Post
    I unfortunately have to echo some of that liberal sentiment about controlling trails. A lot of people on the left feel entitled to stop people from engaging in activities that they don't understand or engage in. Bikes scare their transgender labordoodles. Therefore, bikes are bad. I'm not a conservative btw.
    the majority of mountain bikers are on the left and that does put them in a sticky wicket. The left continually wants to control, constrict, constrain, regulate anything it doesn't value - or anything it perceives encroaching on its values. In this case, the environment.
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    Is allowing cattle to graze earlier a new practice? I'm curious if they're testing concepts related to high-intensity grazing. I've read a few articles that state that there are benefits to doing this, one of which being greater seed germination due to the moisture being captured and collected in the footprints cattle leave in the soft soil.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JayPee View Post
    Is allowing cattle to graze earlier a new practice? I'm curious if they're testing concepts related to high-intensity grazing. I've read a few articles that state that there are benefits to doing this, one of which being greater seed germination due to the moisture being captured and collected in the footprints cattle leave in the soft soil.
    Been going on for years. I don't know the history of Shell Ridge, but much of the preserved land in Contra Costa was acquired from ranchers to begin with and cattle have continued to use the land as part of the agreement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EBrider View Post
    Been going on for years. I don't know the history of Shell Ridge, but much of the preserved land in Contra Costa was acquired from ranchers to begin with and cattle have continued to use the land as part of the agreement.
    Only 50 years into a 100 year agreement from what I understand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iheartbicycles View Post
    the majority of mountain bikers are on the left
    that explains the ebike haters

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    Quote Originally Posted by P51mech View Post
    Only 50 years into a 100 year agreement from what I understand.
    So, maybe in 50 years they will kick the cattle out. Still better than having a housing subdivision on the land.
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    Quote Originally Posted by syl3 View Post
    that explains the ebike haters
    There is a lot of ebike haters because it's taken 20 years of fighting for what we do have and then along comes the ebike. It's hard enough to get trails open to bikes without a motor, and the folks trying to keep them closed just got a bunch of ammo. They already use speed as the reason we should not be allowed on narrow trails. Let's give them another 5-10 mph to use against our user group. It's a critical time in the bay area and it looks like things are easing up a bit. Ebikes will only set us back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iheartbicycles View Post
    the majority of mountain bikers are on the left and that does put them in a sticky wicket. The left continually wants to control, constrict, constrain, regulate anything it doesn't value - or anything it perceives encroaching on its values. In this case, the environment.
    I disagree. It's only true in the bay area because the population at large is 2/3 Democrat. MTBers are just a regular cross section of the larger population.

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    [QUOTE=iheartbicycles;13188766]the majority of mountain bikers are on the left and that does put them in a sticky wicket. The left continually wants to control, constrict, constrain, regulate anything it doesn't value

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    [QUOTE=zorg;13189276]I disagree. It's only true in the bay area because the population at large is 2/3 Democrat. MTBers are just a regular cross section of the larger population.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EBrider View Post
    So, maybe in 50 years they will kick the cattle out. Still better than having a housing subdivision on the land.
    By then most of us will be worm food and our kids will be riding Drones for fun.

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    [QUOTE=chasejj;13189291]
    Quote Originally Posted by zorg View Post
    I disagree. It's only true in the bay area because the population at large is 2/3 Democrat. MTBers are just a regular cross section of the larger population.

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    I live in the East Bay and have yet to meet the obvious Conservative who rides a bicycle period other than me and a few buddies of mine. . But then again it is the BA . Based on my experience on this site as well as Pinkbike and VitalMTB my guess is it may be higher like 85% Dem. Obviously this is anecdotal based on comments sections where it comes up.
    If you look at which politicians where advocate directly on behalf on mountain bikers - it's always conservatives.

    if you look at which politicians where that seek to close trails and restrict access to MTB'ers - it's always leftists. Compare and contrast GWB and Obama. Tom Mcclintock and Dianne Feistein. Orrin Hatch and pick your favorite leftist. its always the conservative seeking to help with MTB access, the left seeking to restrict it - and yet MTB'ers vote left.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chasejj View Post
    have yet to meet the obvious Conservative who rides a bicycle period other than me and a few buddies of mine.
    WTF is an obvious Conservative???

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    [QUOTE=IAmHolland;13189315]
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    WTF is an obvious Conservative???
    why are quotes being attributed to zorg erroneously?
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    Quote Originally Posted by iheartbicycles View Post
    why are quotes being attributed to zorg erroneously?
    I had 2 "QUOTE" sections but one end quote, so it left the other dangling as pre-text. Cleaned up now. Thanks.

    Edit: and the reply with quote did it again.

    2nd Edit: Your post quotes jj. Same issue...

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    Bay Area trail politics has more to do with peculiar local history than broad left vs. right themes, in my opinion. And given that the political left controls most everything around here, calling them names and attacking their supposed totalitarian impulses is not going to accomplish anything useful. Even in Berkeley where I live there are sensible-minded leftists (we call them moderates); they will not win every election but there is hope for the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by J-Flo View Post
    Bay Area trail politics has more to do with peculiar local history than broad left vs. right themes, in my opinion. And given that the political left controls most everything around here, calling them names and attacking their supposed totalitarian impulses is not going to accomplish anything useful. Even in Berkeley where I live there are sensible-minded leftists (we call them moderates); they will not win every election but there is hope for the future.

    P.S. environmentalists aren't the enemy either, just many of them are misguided.
    the only name calling I can see was a reference to a transsexual labradoodle. Which, maybe the dog is sexually confused. NTTAWT.
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    Okay so I just got off the phone with the Walnut Creek Parks and Open Space Department. They was talking to me about a few things and it looks like public outcry is winning.

    #1 There are a bunch of new electric fences installed as I type in Shell Ridge to prevent this from happening in the future.

    #2 There are a few regulations on the chopping block and one them is lifting the ban on MTB on narrow trails in Walnut Creek Open Spaces. Mind you they are off limits still, but they called the ban obsolete and worth revising. On top of that they asked me if I wanted to join the committee for future trail development. We talked for over an hour and this guy is very pro MTB. We discussed how mountain bike groups all over the U.S. are subsidizing trail maintenance budgets through fundraising and stewardship. He was shocked by the numbers I was giving him.

    #3 Time to put our money where our mouth is folks. If this goes the way I hope it does I can't do it alone. This may be an opportunity to show at least one small group of land managers that we as a user group can and will come help maintain our local trails. I can use my past experience as a trail advocate in Tahoe, but it still takes a dedicated labor force.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtvert View Post
    ^^ Somebody get that man a beer!



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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxuHYVmWlmU

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    Quote Originally Posted by P51mech View Post
    Okay so I just got off the phone with the Walnut Creek Parks and Open Space Department. They was talking to me about a few things and it looks like public outcry is winning.

    #1 There are a bunch of new electric fences installed as I type in Shell Ridge to prevent this from happening in the future.

    #2 There are a few regulations on the chopping block and one them is lifting the ban on MTB on narrow trails in Walnut Creek Open Spaces. Mind you they are off limits still, but they called the ban obsolete and worth revising. On top of that they asked me if I wanted to join the committee for future trail development. We talked for over an hour and this guy is very pro MTB. We discussed how mountain bike groups all over the U.S. are subsidizing trail maintenance budgets through fundraising and stewardship. He was shocked by the numbers I was giving him.

    #3 Time to put our money where our mouth is folks. If this goes the way I hope it does I can't do it alone. This may be an opportunity to show at least one small group of land managers that we as a user group can and will come help maintain our local trails. I can use my past experience as a trail advocate in Tahoe, but it still takes a dedicated labor force.
    I live here in WC and am happy to help - but need more specifics. what's needed re shell ridge?
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    Quote Originally Posted by iheartbicycles View Post
    I live here in WC and am happy to help - but need more specifics. what's needed re shell ridge?
    Shell Ridge is currently being worked on. As for specifics first the ordinance needs to be lifted before we as a user group can do anything. If that happens then we need to form some sort of a club, group, or stewardship. Organize once a month trail days to do maintenance. Find a beer sponsor. That always brings people back to maintenance days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by P51mech View Post
    Shell Ridge is currently being worked on. As for specifics first the ordinance needs to be lifted before we as a user group can do anything. If that happens then we need to form some sort of a club, group, or stewardship. Organize once a month trail days to do maintenance. Find a beer sponsor. That always brings people back to maintenance days.
    that shouldn't be a problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by P51mech View Post
    Perfect video!

    I would definitely be in and my wife is organizing students in Lamorinda for charitable/community projects and her target activity was trail maintenance and park projects.
    Let me know and we may have lots of help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chasejj View Post
    Perfect video!

    I would definitely be in and my wife is organizing students in Lamorinda for charitable/community projects and her target activity was trail maintenance and park projects.
    Let me know and we may have lots of help.
    I would love to have someone like her head up something like this

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    Quote Originally Posted by P51mech View Post
    Okay so I just got off the phone with the Walnut Creek Parks and Open Space Department. They was talking to me about a few things and it looks like public outcry is winning.

    #1 There are a bunch of new electric fences installed as I type in Shell Ridge to prevent this from happening in the future.

    #2 There are a few regulations on the chopping block and one them is lifting the ban on MTB on narrow trails in Walnut Creek Open Spaces. Mind you they are off limits still, but they called the ban obsolete and worth revising. On top of that they asked me if I wanted to join the committee for future trail development. We talked for over an hour and this guy is very pro MTB. We discussed how mountain bike groups all over the U.S. are subsidizing trail maintenance budgets through fundraising and stewardship. He was shocked by the numbers I was giving him.

    #3 Time to put our money where our mouth is folks. If this goes the way I hope it does I can't do it alone. This may be an opportunity to show at least one small group of land managers that we as a user group can and will come help maintain our local trails. I can use my past experience as a trail advocate in Tahoe, but it still takes a dedicated labor force.
    Wow, awesome. PM me, I'd be happy to help in any way I can.
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    I am in lafayette. Rode shell Ridge today, felt like I was using a jack hammer for two hours. Count me in for help, and if they are serious we can raise some money.

    Not that we should abandon EBRPD, but if we can find a land manager in the east bay we can really partner with, I think as a local community we should really go for it. That way we can set up a local model of how the mtn bike users can effectively get things done in cooperation with a land manager, and use that as a model to try to work with others. If it ever gets this far I don't see why we wouldn't try to set up a trail stewardship organization for fund raising, trail work, etc..I know this is getting way ahead of things, but the model does exist and it can work. Very exciting to hear all this...
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    I'll talk to some local shops and see if we can get some sort of awareness when we have more info of when/how/what we need for Shell Ridge.

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    I think we are about six months from getting things going in the right direction. You are all spot on it only takes one land manager to listen. Now we just need to show them. The one thing that is going to rub people the wrong way is that during my conversation the subject of unsanctioned trails came up and that is one major issue they want dealt with ASAP. As in other areas once we are allowed in an area that activity either slows down or goes away all together, but we are going to have to make sure we police ourselves on that matter to make sure we keep our access.

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    You guys should get in touch with Team diablo. They are affiliated with encina bicycle center walnut creek. I know a lot of guys live close by and ride there. They are pretty well organized.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chasejj View Post

    I live in the East Bay and have yet to meet the obvious Conservative who rides a bicycle period other than me and a few buddies of mine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by P51mech View Post
    I think we are about six months from getting things going in the right direction. You are all spot on it only takes one land manager to listen. Now we just need to show them. The one thing that is going to rub people the wrong way is that during my conversation the subject of unsanctioned trails came up and that is one major issue they want dealt with ASAP. As in other areas once we are allowed in an area that activity either slows down or goes away all together, but we are going to have to make sure we police ourselves on that matter to make sure we keep our access.
    What they need to do is legitimize some of the popular social trails.. they aren't just used by bikes.
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