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    Open letter to the Tamarancho/Flow Trail Pass Nazis

    Thanks for not being out there today!

    Great weather, great new trail and no wannabe hall monitors.

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    No idea what you're trying to accomplish, but if you didn't buy one: stop being cheap and support the trail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chris.george View Post
    No idea what you're trying to accomplish, but if you didn't buy one: stop being cheap and support the trail.
    Quick! Duck! Something just flew over your head!

    (I'm going to assume that you will continue to struggle with this so here's a clue for you: We have a family pass. We're not cheap (unless it's beer in Mexico but that's a different story) and we do support the radness that is the Flow Trail. This thread relates to the annoying hall monitors that were out last week asking folks multiple times if they had a pass. These dweebs are not employed by the BSA they just were flexing their wannabe crossing guard muscles. Funny, yet sad)

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    Am I the only one who finds it a bit sad that a thread was started for this? Someone needs to do some growing up, me thinks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sparkyJay View Post
    Am I the only one who finds it a bit sad that a thread was started for this? Someone needs to do some growing up, me thinks.
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    This thread doesn't deserve a response, but for the small chance that this will help to educate someone:

    Think, really think for a second. What is more likely,

    that the volunteers at Tamarancho who asked (politely, dickishly, or in between) were honestly trying to spread the word that riding without a pass is not OK and to encourage people to pay

    or that they were covertly assuming an authority that they don't have just to give other riders a hard time, because this somehow pleases them?

    Totally serious question. Which do you think was the case? No need to post your answer.

    /never asked anyone for their pass

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snfoilhat View Post
    This thread doesn't deserve a response, but for the small chance that this will help to educate someone:

    Think, really think for a second. What is more likely,

    that the volunteers at Tamarancho who asked (politely, dickishly, or in between) were honestly trying to spread the word that riding without a pass is not OK and to encourage people to pay

    or that they were covertly assuming an authority that they don't have just to give other riders a hard time, because this somehow pleases them?

    Totally serious question. Which do you think was the case? No need to post your answer.

    /never asked anyone for their pass
    Wait one minute there Captain Drama.
    "Doesn't deserve a response?
    "no need to post your answer?"

    It's really simple. The foolish self-absorbed ****tards that were trying to be hall monitors are idiots.

    Reality check: We're just riding bikes on random patches of dirt. There is no need for pass checking freds to insinuate themselves into the process of normal folks enjoying the trails.

    p.s The "volunteers" that you mention have no authority (legal or moral) to ask fellow riders for proof of pass purchase. Those folks are idiots of the first degree.

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    I guess it's just different perceptions, man. The guy who stopped me to ask for my pass explained that asking for my pass was exactly what he was volunteering to do. I took him for his word and didn't get all persecution complex about it. Sorry your feelings were hurt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snfoilhat View Post
    I guess it's just different perceptions, man. The guy who stopped me to ask for my pass explained that asking for my pass was exactly what he was volunteering to do. I took him for his word and didn't get all persecution complex about it. Sorry your feelings were hurt.
    Hey goofball.

    Nobody ever asked me for my pass (reading comprehension is your friend here, have an adult explain this thread to you already)

    My feelings have never been hurt (really, are you that frail?). I am laughing at sheeple like you though, man.

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    I'm so with you. It's like, just the thought that someone might ask you for a pass 'cause you read that it happened to somone else is like such a source of anxiety, and then when it didn't actually happen, but you had worried that it might happen, but then it didn't, you still had to make a thread about how it would have been such a bummer so it was despite it didn't happen but it might have. Total bummer. Who needs that kind of anxiety. I seriously feel you, man.

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    So, SlowHakkaPilot when are you going to open up a flow trail for use by the public? I would love to try it out. When you ask to see my pass, that should be clearly displayed, that shows that I helped contribute monetarily to the trail that you spent many many days building. I will make sure to blow you off as the "wannabe hall monitor" that you must be.

    Look at it from the perspective of the builders and maybe you will see that they very likely only have good intentions for their actions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snfoilhat View Post
    I'm so with you. It's like, just the thought that someone might ask you for a pass 'cause you read that it happened to somone else is like such a source of anxiety, and then when it didn't actually happen, but you had worried that it might happen, but then it didn't, you still had to make a thread about how it would have been such a bummer so it was despite it didn't happen but it might have. Total bummer. Who needs that kind of anxiety. I seriously feel you, man.
    Look here dweeb and you might understand.

    Silly hall monitor dweebs (like you?) were reported to be out there last weekend.

    It was refreshing not to have to encounter these buzz kill dweebs (like you?) out on some really fun trails today.

    No anxiety here sweetheart. Just normal folks laughing at you.

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    Just a heads-up for other reasonable people on the forum. A quick look at someone's other posts on various subjects is a good way to help use an extremely useful tool on this site. There is an ignore list! Keeps the trolls at bay!

    Thank you forum moderator for including this feature.

    I do enjoy thoughtful discussion, and sites like this are a great way to gain perspective. The VAST majority of people I read on this forum have something useful to say, even when I disagree. Sometimes though, the ignore list helps with the quest to find useful discussions. Just saying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SlowHakkaPilot View Post
    Thanks for not being out there today!

    Great weather, great new trail and no wannabe hall monitors.
    What is your favorite brand of flame bait? Trolling ain't easy.


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    Quote Originally Posted by j__h View Post
    So, SlowHakkaPilot when are you going to open up a flow trail for use by the public? I would love to try it out. When you ask to see my pass, that should be clearly displayed, that shows that I helped contribute monetarily to the trail that you spent many many days building. I will make sure to blow you off as the "wannabe hall monitor" that you must be.

    Look at it from the perspective of the builders and maybe you will see that they very likely only have good intentions for their actions.
    More silliness.

    The builders/volunteers have no moral or legal standing to ask folks to show a pass (unless they have been granted that authority or are representatives of the BSA).

    I have looked at it from the perspective of the builders and I understand that their "good intentions" are baseless and simply rooted in the wrong kind of wannabe cop/ranger, etc. BS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dion View Post
    What is your favorite brand of flame bait? Trolling ain't easy.


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    Maybe I should post many vacuous posts about how cool it was "back in the day" trying to ride kiddie BMX bikes around Santa Cruz.

    Yeah, I'm laughing at your posts. All of the time fred.

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    Open letter to the Tamarancho/Flow Trail Pass Nazis

    Quote Originally Posted by SlowHakkaPilot View Post
    Look here dweeb and you might understand.

    Silly hall monitor dweebs (like you?) were reported to be out there last weekend.

    It was refreshing not to have to encounter these buzz kill dweebs (like you?) out on some really fun trails today.

    No anxiety here sweetheart. Just normal folks laughing at you.
    At one of the places I frequent, there's a $3 entrance fee for non-pass holders. $4 for out of state plates. It's done via the honor system- there's nothing stopping someone from skating through, grabbing a day pass, putting it on their windshield, and calling it a day.

    I've paid that entrance fee every single time. Crowded days, empty days, nice days, absolutely freezing days when there were no other cars in the lot or riders on the trail. I could have saved a good deal of money by not paying, but y'know what? It's worth paying for something you value. It pays to keep the park open, pays for trail maintenance, and ultimately, allows for a scarce resource to be enjoyable for all.

    So keep flinging crap at the "hall monitors" because it's the real buzz kill dweebs like you who get trails shut down and give mountain bikers the designation as bad trail users.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SlowHakkaPilot View Post
    More silliness.

    The builders/volunteers have no moral or legal standing to ask folks to show a pass (unless they have been granted that authority or are representatives of the BSA).

    I have looked at it from the perspective of the builders and I understand that their "good intentions" are baseless and simply rooted in the wrong kind of wannabe cop/ranger, etc. BS.
    That is your opinion and judging by the responses here your opinions appear to be quite poor.

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    LOL at you, SlowPakkaPilot. You are a mess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PantslessWithWolves View Post
    So keep flinging crap at the "hall monitors" because it's the real buzz kill dweebs like you who get trails shut down and give mountain bikers the designation as bad trail users.
    Wow. You're really confused.

    Question #1: How do I get trails shut down?

    Question #2: How do I give "mountain bikers the designation as bad trail users?"

    Question # 3: ESL?

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    I'm pretty sure this isn't trolling. It looks like a cry for help, to me. Someone needs to clap this guy on the back next time you run into him. He'll be the guy with the watering device, awesome attitude, big smile for all the riders he doesn't know but believes are fundamentally good guys. Can't miss him.

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    Actually, I have a question.

    I have been to Tamarancho one time and bought a pass and had it displayed on one of my front cables, easily visible. Out of the 20 or so other riders that I saw not one had a pass in plain sight. Are people simply not displaying their passes, not getting passing, or did I just miss them and most people do have them displayed?

    Seems that some oversight is needed.

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    SlowHakkaPilot is right, I mean, especially with the nazi comparison here. I mean, first its innocuous volunteers asking if you bought a pass. But, who knows where this could go. Next, we'll actually have to show the pass, or, wear a band on our arms. Soon we'll be burning large piles of Mountain Bike Action magazine and Dirt Rag. This aggression will not stand, man. Read my lips. We must oppose this tyranny!!!.

    You know, I think it was Thomas Jefferson who said "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of a highspeed washout without knee or elbow pads". Those words were so true, both then and now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ddprocter View Post
    SlowHakkaPilot is right, I mean, especially with the nazi comparison here. I mean, first its innocuous volunteers asking if you bought a pass. But, who knows where this could go.
    To be clear here, there was not a single dweeb out today that asked us if we had a pass. Refreshing.

    Regardless, why do these "innocuous" volunteers think that it is ok for them to accost riders in Tamarancho?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SlowHakkaPilot View Post
    Thanks for not being out there today!

    Great weather, great new trail and no wannabe hall monitors.
    hey Pete,
    speaking of trolling are you still in touch with JD and Gt from Alt-mtb days? Those were some epic flame wars.

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    I have been disingenuous with everybody. I was a witness, but I have remained silent until now. I was there and I saw it when slowhakkapilot wasn't asked for a pass and wasn't accosted. I held back because I am petty. I'm ashamed.

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    Something just reminded me. Did they ever put a tool up there at the top of the flow trail so people could lower their seats?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SlowHakkaPilot View Post
    Maybe I should post many vacuous posts about how cool it was "back in the day" trying to ride kiddie BMX bikes around Santa Cruz.

    Yeah, I'm laughing at your posts. All of the time fred.
    It's okay to laugh. I think it's funny to ride little kids bikes, too.

    But I also ride better than you. Which is funny too. But the funniest is you, because you're a joke.

    Do volunteers asking to a see a pass intimidate you? Serious question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dion View Post
    It's okay to laugh. I think it's funny to ride little kids bikes, too.

    But I also ride better than you. Which is funny too.
    That's a pretty bold claim. Especially considering the source.

    How exactly do you you know that you "ride better than I do" ese?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SlowHakkaPilot View Post
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    It's not airtight, but I'd call that there strong evidence.
    /any number of faults or shortcomings

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    Quote Originally Posted by pauly mac View Post
    hey Pete,
    speaking of trolling are you still in touch with JD and Gt from Alt-mtb days? Those were some epic flame wars.

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    Beat me to it.

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    That's a pretty bold claim. Especially considering the source.

    How exactly do you you know that you "ride better than I do" ese?
    I just do. Because I ride without calling out volunteers and I don't start trolling threads. So even if I end up not being a better rider than you, I am definitely a better person than you.

    EDIT: Christ. Got baited. You win, SlowKakaPilot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dion View Post
    So even if I end up not being a better rider than you, I am definitely a better person than you.
    Nah, you're just another boring tool.

    Proof:


    Tool post #1:
    "But I also ride better than you."

    Tool post #2 after being confronted by his idiocy:
    "So even if I end up not being a better rider than you"

    Bottom line: you are incredibly fragile and your reading comprehension skills suck.

    Try again?

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    Nah, you're just another boring tool.

    Proof:


    Tool post #1:
    "But I also ride better than you."

    Tool post #2 after being confronted by his idiocy:
    "So even if I end up not being a better rider than you"

    Bottom line: you are incredibly fragile and your reading comprehension skills suck.

    Try again?
    I can't try again. You won! Mad respect to you, man. Joined MTBR a couple days ago and already winning threads. That's sweet!
    You're right about being fragile. I need help... seriously how can I get better? Or is it pointless?

    I haven't gone out to Flow Trail yet, is it cool? Or are the volunteers idiots?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dion View Post
    I need help... seriously how can I get better? Or is it pointless?
    I just checked with my Magic 8 Ball it i confirmed my observations.

    You are stuck in mediocrity and it's pointless to try to "get better."

    Polishing a turd and all of that...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stripes View Post
    This smells like Pete.

    Man, I missed him. Welcome back
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    Pete is still the king!
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    To recap for everyone coming in late:

    Guy pays the absolute minimum (greater than zero) by utilizing the family and annual discounts. Nothing wrong with that.

    Enters the park with a gigantic sense of entitlement. Resents the idea of anyone without actual police powers intruding into the privacy of whether or not he's in compliance with the very simple rules the private landholders have set out and asked the community to respect.

    Rides trails that others have poured enormous amounts of time and money--real money, not pass money--into.

    Creates a mtbr account to talk **** about how a thing that might have happened (volunteer asks to see pass) to another rider two weeks ago didn't happen to him, but it would have been totally lame if it had happened.

    Sweet, dude.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SlowHakkaPilot View Post
    I just checked with my Magic 8 Ball it i confirmed my observations.

    You are stuck in mediocrity and it's pointless to try to "get better."

    Polishing a turd and all of that...
    I know. I'm trying to get unstuck. My life sucks, and I'm looking for role models. You seem to have charisma, a badass attitude and a take-no-sh't approach. F those hall monitors dweebs! Completely agree with you, man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snfoilhat View Post
    To recap for everyone coming in late:

    Guy pays the absolute minimum (greater than zero) by utilizing the family and annual discounts. Nothing wrong with that.

    Enters the park with a gigantic sense of entitlement. Resents the idea of anyone without actual police powers intruding into the privacy of whether or not he's in compliance with the very simple rules the private landholders have set out and asked the community to respect.

    Rides trails that others have poured enormous amounts of time and money--real money, not pass money--into.

    Creates a mtbr account to talk **** about how a thing that might have happened (volunteer asks to see pass) to another rider two weeks ago didn't happen to him, but it would have been totally lame if it had happened.

    Sweet, dude.
    Hey, dweeb. SlowHakkaPilot is a good man. His sweat cures cancer and he's a sick guitar player. You obviously haven't seen the truth. I am a loser, stuck in mediocrity and SHP (a God) has inspired me to get better. F the non-believers.

    Flow Trail needs guys like SHP to make sure it stays real and legit, otherwise wannabe hall monitor losers will take it over and ruin it.

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    I feel you SlowHakkaPilot. It's funny how these forum-peeps get all up tight. When I first got on here I was treated the same way. Whatever you say true or false will be seen as wrong or offensive by many. laugh at the name calling because if you rip all sick and shred hard, kicking heads off the trails all day like me...bro..then your just gonna be doing wrong in the minds of most MTBR users. It's the school of hard knocks- for everyone else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Snfoilhat View Post
    To recap for everyone coming in late:

    Guy pays the absolute minimum (greater than zero) by utilizing the family and annual discounts. Nothing wrong with that.

    Enters the park with a gigantic sense of entitlement. Resents the idea of anyone without actual police powers intruding into the privacy of whether or not he's in compliance with the very simple rules the private landholders have set out and asked the community to respect.

    Rides trails that others have poured enormous amounts of time and money--real money, not pass money--into.

    Creates a mtbr account to talk **** about how a thing that might have happened (volunteer asks to see pass) to another rider two weeks ago didn't happen to him, but it would have been totally lame if it had happened.

    Sweet, dude.
    You're really, really confused. On a number of points (I use that term very liberally to describe your whines)

    But that's ok.

    You're making me laugh.

    Which is awesome!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SlowHakkaPilot View Post
    You're really, really confused. On a number of points (I use that term very liberally to describe your whines)

    But that's ok.

    You're making me laugh.

    Which is awesome!
    Imagining you laugh is going to give me sweet dreams tonight. Sending positive vibes your way, man. We should be together.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dion View Post
    Hey, dweeb. SlowHakkaPilot is a good man. His sweat cures cancer and he's a sick guitar player. You obviously haven't seen the truth. I am a loser, stuck in mediocrity and SHP (a God) has inspired me to get better. F the non-believers.

    Flow Trail needs guys like SHP to make sure it stays real and legit, otherwise wannabe hall monitor losers will take it over and ruin it.

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    Keep on trying to recover from that idiocy ese...

    Tool post #1:
    "But I also ride better than you."

    Tool post #2 after being confronted by his idiocy:
    "So even if I end up not being a better rider than you"

    Maybe a trip to the drug store would help you get something to soothe that chapped ass that you seem to have developed?

    To prevent that self-inflicted ass raping in the future, you can just stick to facts as opposed to the fantasies that you concoct to try and make you feel better about yourself.

    Good luck!

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    Keep on trying to recover from that idiocy ese...

    Tool post #1:
    "But I also ride better than you."

    Tool post #2 after being confronted by his idiocy:
    "So even if I end up not being a better rider than you"

    Maybe a trip to the drug store would help you get something to soothe that chapped ass that you seem to have developed?

    To prevent that self-inflicted ass raping in the future, you can just stick to facts as opposed to the fantasies that you concoct to try and make you feel better about yourself.

    Good luck!
    You are right. I am an idiot and I see your point. But as you stated, there is no point to having luck, or trying to feel better about myself. I'm looking to you for answers. I'm on your team, man. I'm being serious, we should hang out and ride... I'd love to see your line choices and techniques. Most important, I need inspiration on how to get better,

    I did try ointment for my chapped ass, and nothing worked. I hate my life, is it worth even living anymore? You've put me down a number of times, and I can deal with that - because you're right on every point.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dion View Post
    ........................... otherwise wannabe hall monitor losers will take it over and ruin it.
    They're Nazis. They need to go away.
    Its all ****s and Giggles until somebody Giggles and ****s

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    Open letter to the Tamarancho/Flow Trail Pass Nazis-stfu1.jpg
    Banned for showing Boobies.

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    Paper or plastic?
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    3G for the win.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stripes View Post
    This smells like Pete.

    Man, I missed him. Welcome back
    This does sound like Pete.

    Never really understood the Pete love... Kind of a d*ck online and really not in a funny way... But whatever... POVs were kind of cool, decent pics.

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    interesting...

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