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    New Trails for Graeagle/Portola/Lakes Basin - Take this survey please!

    Hey folks, the Sierra Buttes Trail Stewardship (SBTS) in conjunction with Trails for Recreation And Community (TRAC) are planning some major additions to the area. We need you to take this survey so we can share your input with the USFS and make this dream a reality. We posted this earlier under a somewhat obscure title but only a few of you took the survey as you may have missed it. The hope is to adopt a Master Plan with huge additions to the area, connecting to Mills Peak Trail or elsewhere. It is extremely helpful if you add comments. Post whatever makes your heart sing, but here is the link and these are some Talking Points I used:

    https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/JV2CHHJ

    1. We want long high quality trails

    2. Connecting Graeagle to Portola from Mills Peak Trail to Beckwourth Peak would be a great start. (40 miles+) !!!

    3. We want long trails so we can spend a few days in Plumas County, not just a day visit.

    4. We want a singletrack to reroute us around the fireroad section of Mills Peak Trail.

    Your participation will go a long way towards making this a reality.

    Ronski thanks you!!

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    Done. Great trails up there Ronski! Keep up the good work!!

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    With your input and support, this area will become a destination for riding that will rival anywhere. Let's do this!

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    Done, thanks for posting

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    the map

    Here's the map that has been generated through public meetings, survey results and public outreach. Click here for a full size image of the Mohawk Trail System. This is an ambitious economic development project that will help strengthen our community and rebuild our economy and of course, produce rad trails to ride. Please take a moment to fill out the survey, we'll make it worth your while by building world class singletrack for your enjoyment.
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    Done! I look forward to riding some new trails next time I'm up there.

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    Done - nice work!

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    New Trails for Graeagle/Portola/Lakes Basin - Take this survey please!

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    done, awesome work you guys are doing!

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    Done and shared. Thanks!

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    Howling Dogs, it won't become a reality unless there is a local bike shop that is open during regular business hours. I stopped by twice last summer for new brakes during your hours posted as open and you weren't. That was two long drives wasted. I'm getting the word out that we can't depend on your services.

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    Ronski,

    You need to tell us whether selection 1 is high or low for this survey.

    Last summer I stopped by the visitor center at 70 and 89 to ask where the brewery is and the woman working there very enthusiastically showed me the trails project. This was the first I heard of it.

    As a cross country trials rider I find the plans interesting but not compelling. My wife and I are into the longer rides but we like some gravity like the Downieville Downhill or Cannell Trail and Plunge near Kernville in the Southern Sierra.

    Second to that we like 12 - 15 mile loops with little or no road riding. If we have to ride roads for many miles to return to the trailhead then we'll go elsewhere, like Moab or Fruita.

    We spend $2,500 - $3,000 on our annual Moab trip. It would be much higher if we needed significant vehicle or body repairs. This includes a cabin in an RV park. Camping would save about $300 - $400.

    We're in love with Moab and the trails. There are many loops and shuttle services. Just as important is there is a mountain biking and outdoor recreation culture in the town. It is fun to hang out there. Kernville and Downieville are similar but much smaller. Moab could hold us for months. Kernville and Downieville for several days each.

    I don't see Graeagle or the other towns developing that culture easily. Do the residents really want a large active user group like mountain bikers in their towns? Sure, those towns survived loggers and hunters but most of that was decades ago. They need a field trip to Moab :-)

    I suggest picking one town and making that the MTB base camp. The locals need to really get into MTB and hosting us.

    I started camping in that area in 1953 with my parents and deer hunted there in the 60's and 70's so I know the terrain and towns. I also know that particular dust well :-)

    I would start developing with a base town and multiple diverse 5 to 10 mile loop and flow rides nearby. You need at least 2 fall line plunges. Think ski area design. This will create a destination. It will appeal to a larger market. If every town tries to get a little of the business now then no town will get enough to matter.

    Hope this feedback helps.

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    Done, thanks for getting the interest out there.

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    done, and thanks for the great work on the Mills Peak trail!

    The fire road section of the Mills Peak trail, should be replaced with a similar section of trail as above/below, it's not bad as is if you no-brake the lower half

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    That's pretty sneaky that they want you to rate things from 1-4 but don't explain what the scale means. For example, 1 could mean the lowest rating, or 1 could be highest in terms of priority. Can someone please help me figure out what 1 - 4 means?

    Edit: I see now. It all became clear when I picked one and the auto-fill happened. If you select priority 1 for one thing, the rest get filled in sequentially. I assume 1 means highest then.
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    shredchic,

    The trouble is that if we don't know for sure what the ratings are then the whole survey becomes a mess. They will never know which way people interpreted the rankings so the survey has zero value. At this point it is probably worthless for anything.

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    New Trails for Graeagle/Portola/Lakes Basin - Take this survey please!

    Done, keep up the great work!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmpreston View Post
    shredchic,

    The trouble is that if we don't know for sure what the ratings are then the whole survey becomes a mess. They will never know which way people interpreted the rankings so the survey has zero value. At this point it is probably worthless for anything.

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    ok - at least it seemed to make sense, but I guess you are right- it's still not 100% certain what is high/low unless they explicitly spell that out on the survey itself.
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    shredchic,

    Right. We don't know what the author was thinking. European schools grade 1 - 5 with 5 being the best. Most ratings systems online use 1 - 5 stars with 5 being the best.

    Or was the survey author thinking 1st choice, 2nd choice, ...

    And now we don't know how the guys above interpreted this rating system but they filled it out. So now the whole point of the survey is lost. It is garbage. To bad because it is a good cause.

    It looks to me from this and from talking to people in the Graeagle area that the folks promoting this project are rather ignorant of what to do. They seem to be winging it instead of hiring people with knowledge and experience or at least reading the various research available. If they have any chance of success they will have to up their game substantially. There have been a LOT of expensive failures in history for this topic.

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    Done. Appreciate the work up there!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmpreston View Post
    shredchic,
    It looks to me from this and from talking to people in the Graeagle area that the folks promoting this project are rather ignorant of what to do. They seem to be winging it instead of hiring people with knowledge and experience or at least reading the various research available. If they have any chance of success they will have to up their game substantially. There have been a LOT of expensive failures in history for this topic.

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    These "ignorant folks" are the Sierra Buttes Trail Stewardship, and they are directly responsible for the Mills Peak Trail (3 years old), the Sunrise Trail (7 years old), the North Yuba Trail (5 years old +/-), the new Butcher extension (2 MONTHS old), the Mt. Hough trail network (currently under construction), and the many, many, MANY miles of buff trails, new bridges, and burly trail rockwork that you'll find all throughout the Lakes Basin and the Downieville area. Ironically, this means that you're already a fan of their "ignorant" work on the Downieville Downhill being that they are the ones that maintain it, the ones that have built the new single track up top, and the ones that have been putting on the Downieville Classic for 18 years now. Also, many of them also happen to live in and around Graeagle, thus I'd say they know the subject, and the region, far better than you... The design of the survey aside, perhaps you should turn your well-intentioned, but way off-the-mark comments into some real support for this project and the many others that they undertake by helping them out where you can really make a difference: Become a member

    BTW, if you can't find good fall line trails, good XC loops, and generally epic riding in the Graeagle/Lakes Basin area, you clearly didn't look!

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    Huntermos,

    I clearly said they are ignorant of a specific topic and your way-off flame isn't appropriate for these forums. Trail work doesn't make people qualified to do a hell of a lot of things and a couple are surveys and tourism development.

    You said Graeagle but the plan is for all the communities in the Mohawk Valley to get involved. That is a big red flag and often a source of failure. This is a topic I'm not ignorant about but apparently you are.

    Your list included nothing on the topic.

    I also don't need your lecture about supporting. I've volunteered there and sent a little money. Shove it.

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    Way to ratchet it up there Jim. I rather gently gave back a little of your ignorant attitude and condescension towards the Stewardship, and those that work and volunteer for it -even inviting you to join it, and you tell me to shove it. You can disparage people and call them ignorant online but can't handle a little tongue in cheek chop busting?

    Why don't you all enlighten us about how off base they are, being that they've been more successful than most, if not all, trail advocacy organizations, especially in so short a time. Of course, I know a lot about these plans, I know a lot about how they came about, I know a lot about the expertise among the people at the Stewardship -both paid and volunteer- and I know that they have a far better idea of what they are doing then you give them credit for. The communities in and around the Mohawk Valley are involved, have wanted to be involved, and are -by and large- excited about the prospect of a multi-use trail network that will tie them together and provide an awesome resource that will draw even more people to the region. The fact that you believe that this little survey is the full extant of SBTS's research or knowledge into the demographics, economics, social conditions, and recreational marketing goes to show that you know next to nothing about the organization or those that work hard to make it succeed, which it has in FAR more ways than simply brushing trails.

    Among the many "ignorant" people that work or volunteer for the Stewardship are folks with: decades of marketing research experience; advanced degrees in finance, business, medicine, sociology, environmental and public policy, etc; and many successful business owners to name just a few. It's not just a bunch of locals with a few rakes and mcclouds keeping up dust on the weekends. You don't think that they know what they're doing, then tell me how they've been so successful, how did they get Plumas County, the City of Quincy, the USFS, and all the many stakeholders in the region to work together on the Mt. Hough trails project? Why has the scope and impacts (recreational, economic, social) of their efforts grown every year for the last decade?

    You see a single survey, designed to illicit the opinions of those NOT among the local government or stakeholder organizations that have been in this conversation for months if not years, as evidence of ignorance and naiveté among the Stewardship, when nothing could be further from the truth.

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    I just wanna clarify, I love SBTS! Sunrise and Mills Peak are two of my favorite trails in the world so far. The other day I just wore a hole in my SBTS t-shirt. I totally wore it out. I was so bummed. I would just like them to clarify one little teeny thing on the survey - it would help them (and me) out! Thanks!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by huntermos View Post
    These "ignorant folks" are the [URL="http://www.sierratrails.org"]BTW, if you can't find good fall line trails, good XC loops, and generally epic riding in the Graeagle/Lakes Basin area, you clearly didn't look!
    Most of the routes I've seen in the Lakes Basin / Mt Elwell area are out-and-backs on the same trail, or required an abundance of road and hike-a-bike to make a loop of things. I tend to like rides in the 5 hour / 40 mile range, have no problems with lots of climbing, and love flowy / rocky descents.

    If you can provide me with some tips or recommendations I'm all ears.

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    The selections are rankings so 1 is your favorite.

    As for a fun loop, climb Mills, descend and then climb to Round Lake Trail, climb Round Lake to Oakland Pond Trail, climb Elwell, descend Smith Creek and cross over to Gray Eagle Creek to town. 5 minutes of pavement, or you can ride the dirt frontage back to the car. Epic, fun, and a hike a bike with stellar views near the top of Elwell. Brewing Lair after for cold ones. Might do this one tomorrow in fact, but we are pretty busy adding some sweet trail mileage in Quincy at Southpark.

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    huntermos,

    1) There was nothing tongue-in-cheek about your flame. I only say shove it to flamers / trolls.

    2) I never mentioned SBTS in my post but your rant is about them. There are other people involved in this effort and I spent time with them last July. Also, I've watched that area struggle with developing tourism for a lot of decades and not much has changed. They have failed before with big plans and it appears they are setting up for failure again. This survey is only a minor part of that pattern. Same old pattern I've seen around the world. I really want them to win for a change.

    3) Check the dictionary please. Ignorance does not equal stupid. Your rant is as if I said stupid hicks from the hills. I did not. This makes you a flamer.

    4) I already made my suggestions above so try taking everything in context. I also mentioned that my opinion was informed by being on the ground and talking to people in Graeagle about this. Twice. Not the depth of a local but that's a well-known strength. I've been through this **** in tourism many times both paid and as a volunteer. There is a lot to know that you don't learn by being a local business person and the rest of your long list. They need professional help or a lot of self-study. If there are tourism development professionals involved in this effort it isn't yet obvious.


    I love the SBTS and wish I could contribute more. I offered over a decade ago to build a Website and have a donate button but no one took me up on the offer. Same with the Moab Trails Alliance. Now everyone is on board with that and doing much better :-) Maybe the same thing will happen this time with finding the right professionals to assist with their big plans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmpreston View Post
    I love the SBTS and wish I could contribute more. I offered over a decade ago to build a Website and have a donate button but no one took me up on the offer.
    Jim
    That would most likely be because your ideas/skills/"expertise" aren't all that you think they are... Why don't you trot out your many success stories on trail advocacy and the 100's of miles of trails you've built and show us how much more you know than the folks at the Stewardship -and those in Moab as well. Talking to an employee of the local tourist office, an inability to understand a 1-5 ranking system on a survey, threatening to talk trash about a local shop (which isn't part of SBTS by the way), and spending a few days in the area doesn't give you some great insight into the economics, social conditions, stakeholder wants/needs, and local demographics -or the inner workings of the Stewardship.

    You can't handle being called out for your statements, then you shouldn't make them.

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    Jesus how did a thread about taking a simple survey to help get some killer new trails, go to ****.

    I'll definitely be spending more time in the Graeagle if all this gets built out
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    huntermos,

    This tread isn't about trails advocacy, it is about building tourism, but I have built a large organization in cooperation with the USFS, Coast Guard, state parks, and a bunch of business organizations. I've also been involved with groups promoting tourism in the US and other countries. I've also been a trail worker since the 60's and for a while a trail lead. I have no idea how many miles of trails.

    I've seen lots of failures including the area from Chilcoot to Quincy. They've been struggling since the logging jobs declined in the 60's. This is far from the first discussion that area has had on increasing tourism and they haven't done well with it There are lessons they can learn from others.

    You are condemning my offer to setup Websites with donation buttons years before they finally got around to it?

    You can't seem to read simple English. You jump to conclusions from your confirmation bias. My analysis of the survey is correct because at least I have some knowledge of surveys.

    I am not talking trash about SBTS or the other groups. Stop this ****.

    OK, I'm feeding the trolls. I'm not going to continue this BS.

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    No! Please don't stop the ****, it's just starting to get good. I love mtbr

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    Quote Originally Posted by ronski View Post
    The selections are rankings so 1 is your favorite.

    As for a fun loop, climb Mills, descend and then climb to Round Lake Trail, climb Round Lake to Oakland Pond Trail, climb Elwell, descend Smith Creek and cross over to Gray Eagle Creek to town. 5 minutes of pavement, or you can ride the dirt frontage back to the car. Epic, fun, and a hike a bike with stellar views near the top of Elwell. Brewing Lair after for cold ones. Might do this one tomorrow in fact, but we are pretty busy adding some sweet trail mileage in Quincy at Southpark.

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    Thanks Ron, that'll go on my to-do list for next year. The Packer / Mills shuttle runs start to get repetitive after the third trip, would love to cover some new ground.

    I explored Elwell and the Lakes Basin once, following a course I downloaded from Mark Weir's Strava page. Far too much hike-a-bike for my taste - at least for someone of my ability level.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmpreston View Post
    huntermos,

    This tread isn't about trails advocacy, it is about building tourism, but I have built a large organization in cooperation with the USFS, Coast Guard, state parks, and a bunch of business organizations. I've also been involved with groups promoting tourism in the US and other countries. I've also been a trail worker since the 60's and for a while a trail lead. I have no idea how many miles of trails.

    I've seen lots of failures including the area from Chilcoot to Quincy. They've been struggling since the logging jobs declined in the 60's. This is far from the first discussion that area has had on increasing tourism and they haven't done well with it There are lessons they can learn from others.

    You are condemning my offer to setup Websites with donation buttons years before they finally got around to it?

    You can't seem to read simple English. You jump to conclusions from your confirmation bias. My analysis of the survey is correct because at least I have some knowledge of surveys.

    I am not talking trash about SBTS or the other groups. Stop this ****.

    OK, I'm feeding the trolls. I'm not going to continue this BS.

    Jim
    Zero credibility firmly established. We get it. You're still butthurt because some folks didn't want you making them a crappy website with a *gasp* DONATE button.

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    The survey looked pretty self explanatory to me. Each section is labeled "rank the items in the order they are important to you." I guess I don't get what the issue is. This is pretty much how all of the usage survey's I've filled out are written, in this area and others.
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    Mike,

    The Elwell riding/hike a bike ratio improves if you take the descent all the way to Graeagle. It's singletrack the entire way via Smith and/or Gray Eagle Creek. The hike up Elwell, is something that for me improves the character of the ride. It's not for everybody. Another loop option that is easier and has little to no hike a bike is to climb Mills then descend some combination of Bear Lake Trail, Long Lake Trail, Grassy Lake Trail, Smith Lake Trail and Gray Eagle Creek Trail. Lot's of options to add variation. The key component here is to climb Mills Peak to gain access to the high country. Mills is VERY climbable, and anyone that treats this strictly as a downhill is missing out.

    Here's the link to the survey if anyone wants to contribute their thoughts. Thanks to everyone who has already responded. Here's to long trails and lots of them!

    https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/JV2CHHJ
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    Quote Originally Posted by ronski View Post
    Mike,

    The Elwell riding/hike a bike ratio improves if you take the descent all the way to Graeagle. It's singletrack the entire way via Smith and/or Gray Eagle Creek. The hike up Elwell, is something that for me improves the character of the ride. It's not for everybody. Another loop option that is easier and has little to no hike a bike is to climb Mills then descend some combination of Bear Lake Trail, Long Lake Trail, Grassy Lake Trail, Smith Lake Trail and Gray Eagle Creek Trail. Lot's of options to add variation. The key component here is to climb Mills Peak to gain access to the high country. Mills is VERY climbable, and anyone that treats this strictly as a downhill is missing out.

    Here's the link to the survey if anyone wants to contribute their thoughts. Thanks to everyone who has already responded. Here's to long trails and lots of them!

    https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/JV2CHHJ
    Realizing that too much or a long hike-A-bike on a miss route can kill the ride, they also add to the adventure. Great info ronski.
    Wait whuuut, who did he tell you that!?!?....

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    Uh, the survey seemed pretty simple to figure out. For me.
    Just saying.

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    That view is such a classic, and nothing but sweet singletrack all the way to town, followed by a stop at the Brewing Lair. Thanks for the photo!

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    Completed the survey, pretty straightforward. Love riding in the area, looking forward to next season and some visits to the Brewing Lair as well!

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    Done.

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    Done. Not complicated or confusing. "Order of priority": first=1, second=2.... Not rocket science folks. Props to Ronski for taking some initiative to make killer trails we all can enjoy. Anyone else with poopy pants can suck it.

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    While we're on the subject of building trails, the Sierra Buttes Trail Stewardship, Santa Cruz Bicycles, and Yuba Expeditions just launched another $5 a foot campaign. Buy a foot of new trail for $5 and get a chance to win your choice of any Santa Cruz built just the way you want it and a year's worth of shuttles with Yuba Expeditions.

    I just finished the promo video and now you have until January 5th to help us build some trail and maybe win the best summer of riding in your life! Buy more than a foot and increase your chances!

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    Done.
    and if I wanted drama, I'd ...........please rate your responses 1 to 5:

    ( ) wear a dress
    ( ) have an opinion about Lance Armstrong
    ( ) believe a politician, any politician
    ( ) tell my wife I bought another bike
    ( ) start a MTBR thread
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    Lopaka, my wife has more bikes than me, so I'm going with Starting a Thread on MTBR. Just need to figure out if that makes it a 1 or a 5...

    Meanwhile, riding the Lakes Basin for the 5th day in a row tomorrow. The SBTS Crew has done some amazing work on Gray Eagle Creek, Long Lake and Smith Creek Trails and I can't get enough. Then it's back to Quincy to help add a bunch more mileage to that fine system.

    Thanks everyone for helping us build killer trail.

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    So, I just tried taking this survey on Firefox and also Google Chrome.....but when I click on anything and give it a "1"...it out-fills so that the top item gets the "1" and goes straight down autofilling 2-3-4-....

    What gives?


    And I'll also say that the survey needs to be IDIOT proof and without a second thought to the numbering system. It should state unequivocally that using a "1" designations means that you want it to be you're #1 priority. Period.
    By NOT stating that, it leaves it up to interpretations that could be 180degrees off what the survey designer intended.


    Oh and before I get internetz b!tch slapped.....SBTS ROCKS!!!
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    You enter a number and it auto fills the rest but you can change anything. I haven't heard of any use issues with different browsers. I assume you are still able to adjust them as needed?


    >It should state unequivocally that using a "1" designations means that you want it to be you're #1 priority.<

    For your "#1 priority" I'd suggest using a #1.

    Thanks for your participation! Meanwhile, we've moved on to launching our $5 Bucks a Foot campaign where you can buy a few feet of trail or more and maybe walk away with your choice of a really really sweet Santa Cruz Bike. You can check it out at the SBTS website. $5 Bucks a Foot is back! | Sierra Buttes Trail Stewardship

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    DOH!!! I am an idiot. Right here. Here I am.

    Completely didn't notice that when I marked something with a "1" it MOVED it to the top of the list and shuffled the rest. Then when you pick "2" it shuffles into the #2 slot on the list.....genius!!


    OK...I got to go finish pulling my head out of you know where.....
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    Internal14- thanks for your support! Check out the $5 A Foot link when you get a chance. Let's build some trail!
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    Good job! Done &

    Done. I think this thread is why I left CA.

    Let the record show that riding is more fun then internetz dick size debates, however fun those may be for some.

    ...but seriously folks, increase the goddam peace and lets focus on building great trail and building a great MTB community.

    SBTS has done so much for us, let's keep up the support.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ronski View Post
    Another loop option that is easier and has little to no hike a bike is to climb Mills then descend some combination of Bear Lake Trail, Long Lake Trail, Grassy Lake Trail, Smith Lake Trail and Gray Eagle Creek Trail.
    Reviving this to ask a question about this proposed route: What is the best way to get from the top of Mills Peak over to the Long Lake area? I have the SBTS map, and I don't see a bicycle-oriented trail connecting these areas. Do you just ride gravel/4x4 roads south, then west, from the peak back to Gold Lake Highway? Thanks for any help!

    Edit: OK, I found another thread which referenced the map for the Lost Sierra Endurance Run, and that shoes how to connect over to Long Lake. Pretty much like I thought from the map. In the words of Emily Litella - never mind!
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