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    Quote Originally Posted by banzaibikes View Post
    Lake Natoma, Folsom area. Quick glimpse as it walked off trail. No, was not a bobcat.
    Where exactly at Lake Natoma was this? Just curious, as I live very near there and have gone there almost every day for the past 5 years. I've only seen bobcats, foxes, coyotes, and deer there, but I know there are cats nearby!

    I've seen two mountain lions in my life and two or three bobcats but never while on a bike. First time, was late 70's and I was very young. We were hiking in Covelo and spotted one with a squirrel in it's mouth. It dropped the squirrel and bolted when it saw us.

    The second time I was deer hunting in the 1980's in Mendocino National Forest west of Corning. I was sitting against a tree with a nice view of a large meadow and a healthy looking lion cruised by without seeing me. It was pretty cool.

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    About 1995, descending Mt. Lemmon backroad, AZ. It was the color of dead pine needles, and flew across the road in one leap, with its long tail trailing...very large cat. I was on one of those 1st gen Trek Carbon ht’s, with the tubes glued to alu lugs? That bike was fast and stealthy, and I had just rounded a switchback at speed. That was the only lion. Lots of bobcats, etc. Even a coatimundi once! I think that was pretty rare. Still looking for a spotted cat...but once The Wall is built, little hope for that.

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    Saw one in Santa Cruz...crazy, making a huge vert jump, about 15 ft...it was underneath my rig, when I stuck the landing he fled.

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    Three times in a lifetime in the woods. First was on Point Reyes seen stalking a deer on the hillside south of the Marshall Beach parking lot. The cat saw us and vanished.

    The second was on the frog pond trail in western yolo county. It was on a ridgelet above the trail and disappeared when it saw us. There were three guys and four dogs; fortunately, the dogs did not see the cat.

    The third was on the Cache Creek Ridge trail about six years ago and was a full fledged confrontation with the cat stalking at me while I yelled and made myself big. It finally ran when I picked up the bike and charged it.

    I've also seen bobcats twice in Rockville hills and didn't have a camera with me. The phone pics were just too far away.

    Now, I have an obnoxious little cowbell on each bike and I carry bear pepper spray in the wilder places. I'm looking for one of those long samurai mountain lion knives for better protection!

    I've also met a bear suddenly on the Mcleod river trail in a confrontation that ended with the bear standing 20 feet away and then running up the hill away from the trail. Thank heavens for the river!

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    I saw a big cat in Annadel this afternoon around 6:00 PM. I had ridden Louis trail from the lake, cut back to the right on North Burma, and had it cross the trail in front of me as I was about to enter a clearing. My thought is that it heard me on Louis and tried to avoid me by going uphill. Then I surprised it when I cut back on North Burma. I saw it leap across the trail about 60 yards or so in front of me, and watched it lope through the field to the tree line. A minute later I passed a couple hikers coming the opposite direction. I told them the story and could tell the lady was freaked out about it.

    I've been riding in Annadel since 1980, and I'm sure I've seen every animal up there (bobcats and coyotes included). Two had always alluded me. Mtn lions and bigfoot. Only one to to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike in SC View Post
    IDK if this is a Bobcat or Mtn Lion - maybe others can tell? I snapped the pic Sep 28, 2017 shortly after sunrise in the Meadow (at the lowest edge of the property) at UCSC. Just by chance I chose to stop and shed a layer and saw it crossing my path. Yep, grainy photos - cat is to the left of the fence post in one shot.

    In that same week, I had a bobcat cross my trail at Wilder and a coyote do the same on Arroyo Seco pathway - always right after sunrise.
    This is totally a Mountain Lion. Good to see photo proof with all these great stories. Not that I don't believe of all of them. It’s just that there are so many false sightings, Bobcats being the main culprit of the false sightings.
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    I've seen four mountain lions in riding in an area from San Francisco to Monterey. Once a buddy and I saw two mountain lions at the same time. They were walking along the trail in front of us. We followed them for a short time then they went off trail. We turned back.

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    saw a juvenile cross the paved road 100 feet in front of me while leaving my local trails. seen lots of cougar poop on the trail...

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    Hard to say from the picture, but I'd say it's a bobcat based on following rules:
    1. If you think it's a bobcat, it's a bobcat.
    2. If you're not sure, then it's a bobcat.
    3. If you think it's a mountain lion, it's probably a bobcat.
    4. If you know it's a mountain lion, it's probably a mountain lion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Little Rocketman View Post
    Hard to say from the picture, but I'd say it's a bobcat based on following rules:
    1. If you think it's a bobcat, it's a bobcat.
    2. If you're not sure, then it's a bobcat.
    3. If you think it's a mountain lion, it's probably a bobcat.
    4. If you know it's a mountain lion, it's probably a mountain lion.
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    I saw 4 in 2015, no photos though. 1 at the bottom of Mt Umunhum Road ran across the road about 100 yards ahead of me. 2 in Quicksilver near the top of Mine Hill trail also running across the trail quickly in front of me. 3 and 4th were likely the same cat as it was at the same location on the Randol trail in Quicksilver. All sightings were in the late afternoon. I did manage to get photo of this bob cat last year, also in Quicksilver.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fc View Post
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    From the enhanced photo and even looking back pre-enhancement again it’s definitely a Bobcat.
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    Security cam in Hillsborough neighborhood spotted mountain lion 6 times in June.

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    I live in Folsom bordering SP and Reclamation land. Coyotes, deer, turkeys, a bobcat, too many rattlesnakes for my comfort...and reportedly a mountain lion.

    I've never seen it, thank goodness. A neighbor told me it crossed his path one evening. Given the location and that he was still living, I'm thinking he was tipsy and doesn't really know what a mt. lion looks like. But another neighbor saw one 15 years ago. So they're not unknown. Dawn and dusk rides make me a bit nervous.

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    I saw a mountain lion just maybe a week ago on the fire road going from pantoll to West Point. It looked a little smaller than I would have thought, so I think maybe it was like an adolescent or something. It ran right away when it saw me, but the scary part was that I had just passed a hiker with a dog off leash.

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    Here is an interesting story from Colorado sad but interesting.

    https://www.steamboattoday.com/news/...eamboat-trail/

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    Quote Originally Posted by teleken View Post
    Here is an interesting story from Colorado sad but interesting.

    https://www.steamboattoday.com/news/...eamboat-trail/
    That is sad and right up the road from me, first I’ve heard of this. Because of the recent tragedy with the two MTB’ers getting attacked, I’m afraid these kind of judgment calls will become more and more in favor of euthanizing rather than taking a chance of another tragedy like that.
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    Only once, right at sundown at the intersection of 680 and a trail named after a twice a year event. I was downwind around 200 yards away, not sure if it didn't notice me but it was just hanging out not reacting to my presence. Looked like a large juvenile but not fully grown.

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    I saw a cougar this weekend! She was wearing low cut spandex top riding full carbon S Works...I let her attack me every which way......roar

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    Pleasanton Ridge

    A couple of years ago I spotted a mtn lion at Pleasanton Ridge on the Cook Canyon Trail, near the intersection with the Cowing Trail. It didn’t seem to be a very large cat so I thought it was a bobcat at first, until I saw the unique long curved tail.
    It was ambling away from me down the trail, so, like an idiot, I thought I’d follow it. From 50 yards away it spotted me and stopped. I stoppped. It moved further down the trail and so did I. This “stop then start” routine went on for a minute until it finally cruised off into brush.
    About this time a lightbulb went off in my head and I realized I should get the F out of there just in case he was going for reinforcements!

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    Man! I 100% believe you but wouldn't have believed that without the added context. I grew up in China Camp area and have always assumed there were no Mt Lions up there any longer. It's a tough place to get to for a big cat. They'd definitely have to cross some major roads.....but they've been known to do that, and clearly you got a good look. That's a crazy story!

    I do know that in the big drought in the late 70's/80's there were a bunch of sightings in the neighborhoods in Peacock and Glenwood as they were supposedly coming down to drink out of pools. My parents actually called the police once when they thought they had one in their backyard but it was never verified. They said there were clear tracks but I've always been skeptical.

    I have spent a many many hours over the last 25 years in the open spaces of Marin and have never seen one. I hope I get the opportunity, but across a valley would be close enough!!
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    I saw one at Fort Ord (Monterey, CA) last year while leaving Creekside parking lot after a ride crossing the road. It was a juvenile and not a lynx.

    More concerning my daughter and friend were on a dusk walk 2 years ago at Wilder (Santa Cruz, CA) walking from Twin Gates to Eucaluptus and saw a large cat laying on the fire road 100 yards away. They didn't know what they were looking at and continued approaching. It got up, and strolled away. Must've been a lynx, I thought. Lots of those around. How big was it? About the size of a large dog. Hmm what color? Yellow. Long tail? Yeah. Not a lynx. Sure glad you weren't walking alone!

    Any truth to the rumor that if you see one, they've checked you out a dozen times before that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dnitake View Post
    I saw one at Fort Ord (Monterey, CA) last year while leaving Creekside parking lot after a ride crossing the road. It was a juvenile and not a lynx.

    More concerning my daughter and friend were on a dusk walk 2 years ago at Wilder (Santa Cruz, CA) walking from Twin Gates to Eucaluptus and saw a large cat laying on the fire road 100 yards away. They didn't know what they were looking at and continued approaching. It got up, and strolled away. Must've been a lynx, I thought. Lots of those around. How big was it? About the size of a large dog. Hmm what color? Yellow. Long tail? Yeah. Not a lynx. Sure glad you weren't walking alone!

    Any truth to the rumor that if you see one, they've checked you out a dozen times before that?
    I’m thinking you are mistaking Bobcat for Lynx. Although there are small populations of Lynx in the Sierras the more common sight anywhere else in California is a Bobcat. So similar in looks but actually quite different to the trained eye. Here is an example of the two in looks and description.

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    No, not a bobcat. I've seen many of those. Remember mountain lions are yellow with a long tail and comparatively large. There are many mountain lions in the Santa Cruz mountains and coastal range.

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    Saw one while riding in Pine Valley, Ca. with my dad and uncle back in the early 90s. We lived in Pine Valley and my dad and uncle would actually seen one, or maybe a few different ones, about once a year up there. At the time, there hadn't really been any issues with mountain lions, so it was more my dad pointing up to rocky cliff way above us and saying "Look! There's one!" I looked up just in time to see it looking down at us, see that we saw it and turn and walk away. We all thought it was cool.

    I think a year later a lady was killed by one while hiking in the nearby mountains and my aunt and her friend were the people who found the lady's body while hiking. Suddenly mountain lions went from something cool to see in the wild to kinda scary. We couldn't get my aunt to got out into the mountains for any reason for several years after that.

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    All this cougar talk got me remembering my “mountain lion” encounter...

    Many years ago, I was in the Japan Alps to do some mountain climbing. It was winter, and I was alone. While I was walking down the road to the trailhead, I turned around and noticed a good-sized animal, light brown in color, about 75-100 yards away. It was slowly walking toward me on all fours.

    I thought, “WTF is a mountain lion doing in Japan?” When it got closer — my eyes ain’t all that good without glasses — I could finally make out enough detail to ID it. A Japanese macaque. Check out the pic at the link and you might understand how I could mistake one of them for a mountain lion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bdamschen View Post
    Saw one while riding in Pine Valley, Ca. with my dad and uncle back in the early 90s. We lived in Pine Valley and my dad and uncle would actually seen one, or maybe a few different ones, about once a year up there. At the time, there hadn't really been any issues with mountain lions, so it was more my dad pointing up to rocky cliff way above us and saying "Look! There's one!" I looked up just in time to see it looking down at us, see that we saw it and turn and walk away. We all thought it was cool.

    I think a year later a lady was killed by one while hiking in the nearby mountains and my aunt and her friend were the people who found the lady's body while hiking. Suddenly mountain lions went from something cool to see in the wild to kinda scary. We couldn't get my aunt to got out into the mountains for any reason for several years after that.

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    My girlfriend and I hiked that same trail “the day before” Iris Kenna, 58, a San Diego high school was attacked and killed. The trail climbs to a peak called Stonewall. We had hiked it several times prior without any weird feeling, yet that day we both commented we felt something or someone was watching us. I can’t help but wonder if we were stalked by that cat.

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    I Haven't read this entire post but wanted to share a sighting that a friend captured on her CDT thru hike. She's vlogging her journey (as she did on the PCT and AT) and luckily captured some of the best in-person footage of a juvenile cat that I have seen. I believe this is in Northern NM. The cat appears at about 3:57 in

    https://youtu.be/VHlcg1axzmQ

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    Quote Originally Posted by Truckee29 View Post
    I Haven't read this entire post but wanted to share a sighting that a friend captured on her CDT thru hike. She's vlogging her journey (as she did on the PCT and AT) and luckily captured some of the best in-person footage of a juvenile cat that I have seen. I believe this is in Northern NM. The cat appears at about 3:57 in

    https://youtu.be/VHlcg1axzmQ


    That's GNARLY and unusual for a cat (healthy) to be out in the day cruisin'. She's lucky he wasn't hungry.


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    So was I. As fast as that singledingle would go!
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    Saw my first puma ever yesterday at Skyline Ridge around 9:30am. Was rounding a corner coming down Sunny Jim and it was right in the middle of the fire road. It all happened very quickly but he/she instantly saw me and bolted straight up the hill. Absolutely amazing display of speed and power. I was definitely a little skittish for the rest of my ride!

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    Saw a Mountain Lion while MTBing in Joaquin Miller park back in December. I was riding with a friend, we were on Sunset trail, about 7pm, it was dark and we had lights on, we were about 40' from the bathrooms. The Mountain Lion ran between us and the bathrooms. Fast and quiet.

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    That was dope. Thanks for sharing!
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    Figure it was bound to happen sooner or later but saw my first cougar today. Was riding alone in SLO at Irish Hills. Planned on taking lower mariposa up to Froom and then over to Wednesday before riding up Froom again and finishing on Mariposa. Hit the trailhead around 9 am on an unusually warm day. About a half mile up lower mariposa I saw what appeared to be a mangy hind quarter of a large dog. Then I got closer and the brush cleared and I clearly was able to see the tail of a large, adult mountain lion. At this point I stopped and it did the same. We stared into each other’s souls for about 20-30 seconda but it felt like 5 minutes. It was kind of a surreal moment and I didn’t feel threatened at any point. We were kind of just checking each other out so I figured I’d try to capture this moment with a picture of course.

    Shortly after I got the picture the lion trotted up the trail into the next wooded section. Needless to say I did not follow. Once I was sure it was gone I hauled down hill back to the trailhead. Then drove over to MDO and got a ride in over there!

    Didn’t expect to see one this close to town and this late in the morning but it was an exciting moment to say the least. Ran into some locals at MDO and they said that area had been shut down for a bit last year after a mom and her cubs were spotted there.

    Pretty cool experience but I’m good with seeing anymore of those for quite some time!
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    ^^!!!! That is an awesome experience and photo! Thanks for posting.

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    Nice story & pic!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5k bike 50cent legs View Post
    ^^!!!! That is an awesome experience and photo! Thanks for posting.
    For sure, lucky you and great shot. Blow it up and frame it for your office. Always a reminder of how inferior we are out there.
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    Saw one a few years ago in the creek next to Alpine Road in Portola Valley. It was late afternoon and I was riding solo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duffman1976 View Post
    Figure it was bound to happen sooner or later but saw my first cougar today. Was riding alone in SLO at Irish Hills. Planned on taking lower mariposa up to Froom and then over to Wednesday before riding up Froom again and finishing on Mariposa. Hit the trailhead around 9 am on an unusually warm day. About a half mile up lower mariposa I saw what appeared to be a mangy hind quarter of a large dog. Then I got closer and the brush cleared and I clearly was able to see the tail of a large, adult mountain lion. At this point I stopped and it did the same. We stared into each other’s souls for about 20-30 seconda but it felt like 5 minutes. It was kind of a surreal moment and I didn’t feel threatened at any point. We were kind of just checking each other out so I figured I’d try to capture this moment with a picture of course.

    Shortly after I got the picture the lion trotted up the trail into the next wooded section. Needless to say I did not follow. Once I was sure it was gone I hauled down hill back to the trailhead. Then drove over to MDO and got a ride in over there!

    Didn’t expect to see one this close to town and this late in the morning but it was an exciting moment to say the least. Ran into some locals at MDO and they said that area had been shut down for a bit last year after a mom and her cubs were spotted there.

    Pretty cool experience but I’m good with seeing anymore of those for quite some time!
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    All this talk has gotten me a bit paranoid since I ride solo mostly these days. Good to be aware though.

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    Not a mountain lion, but my son and one of his friends saw a big ass bobcat at Arastradero today. No photo....

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    A family of cats on a guy's deck in Colorado:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=Zlht31L3ERQ

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    Thiis morning I saw a warning sign that mountain lions had recently been spotted in the park. Not far past the sign I went around a corner to find a medium size bobcat crouched down facing me on the trail, about 8-10ft away. Even in the moment of coming face-to-face with a bobcat, all I felt was relief and laughter that I had found that "mountain lion"

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    Ok, this is TOO CLOSE

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    I've seen three. one on Hick's road at night (I was in my car) two years ago...one in Picchetti ranch just a couple days before that little kid got jumped by that cat about 4 years ago...and in Steven's Canyon about 10 years ago. multiple spottings in and around my neighborhood in Los Gatos...no surprise given the city's name ;-)

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    Holy sh1t! After living in prime mountain lion territory in various places around Santa Cruz for the past 20 years, I finally saw one in person today. The crazy thing is this was in a place probably everyone on this forum has been to, and which sees probably hundreds of people daily (certainly on the weekends) - on the frickin' fire road up through Nisene, about 9:30 AM today! About 1/3 of the way between the top of the incline and sand point. Came around a bend and there he was, running the other way about 50 feet away. DEFINITELY a lion. He ran up the embankment on the other side and disappeared, didn't even have time to pull out my phone and grab a pic.

    A few other less close encounters:

    I live right by the entrance to Nisene, kinda by where everyone parks to ride there, and they're around there too. My neighbor has a wildlife camera that she uses to see what wildlife is going by behind the house (row of town homes that butt up close to the creek). A couple times now she's caught a lion on that camera at night, right there behind the house, like 15 feet from the back door. Right by where I take the dogs out to potty.



    Years ago I lived up on Empire Grade (literally across the street from a certain mailbox that a certain trail may or may not have been named after). One day my neighbor found a mountain lion napping on her front deck. Apparently her cat went missing around the same time...

    Years before that I lived way up above Boulder Creek, across from Little Basin. There was a trail going into Big Basin right from my house. Because I was a dumbass, I used to sometimes hike that trail at night with a headlamp. One afternoon I was out on that trail just a little ways behind the house, and I got this weird feeling like I was being watched. The hair on the back of my neck was crawling. The next day my neighbor said their dog had disappeared, and a few days later they found the poor dog's remains. I'm convinced that day I thought I was being watched, the cat was there stalking me. Stopping hiking that trail at night after that...

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    Oh. My. I know that’s way up out of our territory but that’s got to be more “up close and personal” than anyone in this forum can attest to! I challenge anyone that says otherwise! 😜
    Wait whuuut, who did he tell you that!?!?....

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    Quote Originally Posted by JMac47 View Post
    Oh. My. I know that’s way up out of our territory but that’s got to be more “up close and personal” than anyone in this forum can attest to! I challenge anyone that says otherwise! 😜
    My story has been shared. ^^^ up a ways. Oat Hill Mine Rd. about 2007 at around 7:30 on a Saturday morning. ~15-20' from me. I heard it purr, first. TOOOOOO close.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eldavo View Post
    Saw one a few years ago in the creek next to Alpine Road in Portola Valley. It was late afternoon and I was riding solo.
    I lived in PV for a year and rode Alpine all the time. I was always looking down into the ravine but I never saw a thing. Bummer!

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    Jim- Good one! I was out there yesterday morning. No cats, but I saw my first Nisene coyote--about 10 seconds in from the condo entrance. Did you happen to see the party starter (little bottle of rum and an unrolled joint) on the P___ trail?!
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    Good stuff Jim, thanks for sharing. I live for these stories.
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    I just heard that one was spotted on the backside of China Camp. Yikes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sfgiantsfan View Post
    I just heard that one was spotted on the backside of China Camp. Yikes.
    That is ok!

    They live around us. Dozens and dozens. Just because they're spotted in the hills doesn't mean there's anything out of the ordinary.

    I know it's unnerving but it's very normal. They live there and they don't want anything to do with us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fc View Post
    That is ok!

    They live around us. Dozens and dozens. Just because they're spotted in the hills doesn't mean there's anything out of the ordinary.

    I know it's unnerving but it's very normal. They live there and they don't want anything to do with us.
    I am happy they are there too.
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    This Sucks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckha62 View Post
    Depredation permits are such f****** BS.

    Ranchers just want to let their animals roam around, always encroaching farther into wild animal habitat, with minimal fencing and no guard dogs. Presumably it's cheaper. And then we shoot the predators for simply following their instincts. God that makes me mad. They do it to wolves as well.

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    “The movement was inspired by a furor in 1996 over the proposed use of livestock protection collars — containing poison — on sheep in West Marin. At that time, coyotes were killing hundreds of lambs and ewes every year. The poison killed the coyotes when they attacked.

    Most sheep ranchers in Marin — some two dozen of them— purchased guardian dogs, which naturally bond with sheep and goats, and aggressively protect them. The dogs reduced predation at a fraction of the cost of predator control under the Wildlife Services program, according to county agricultural officials.”

    Wow! Who would have thought! Guard dogs! FFS

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    Quote Originally Posted by griffsterb View Post
    Depredation permits are such f****** BS.

    Ranchers just want to let their animals roam around, always encroaching farther into wild animal habitat, with minimal fencing and no guard dogs. Presumably it's cheaper. And then we shoot the predators for simply following their instincts. God that makes me mad. They do it to wolves as well.
    100% agreed! Pissed me off to read it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by griffsterb View Post
    “The movement was inspired by a furor in 1996 over the proposed use of livestock protection collars — containing poison — on sheep in West Marin. At that time, coyotes were killing hundreds of lambs and ewes every year. The poison killed the coyotes when they attacked.

    Most sheep ranchers in Marin — some two dozen of them— purchased guardian dogs, which naturally bond with sheep and goats, and aggressively protect them. The dogs reduced predation at a fraction of the cost of predator control under the Wildlife Services program, according to county agricultural officials.”

    Wow! Who would have thought! Guard dogs! FFS
    Uh...who would NOT have thought...Dogs RULE...and like it was said, we encroach on their territory. Sad day for humanity.

    Wondering if some motion activated flood lights wouldn't also scare them away! People suck. (bikes rule)

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    Stumbled upon this video and thought of this thread.

    A 12 year old dirt biker gets a thrill of a lifetime.

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    ^^^ That was almost really bad!
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    Quote Originally Posted by DIRTJUNKIE View Post
    Stumbled upon this video and thought of this thread.

    A 12 year old dirt biker gets a thrill of a lifetime.

    Nice find. It's really the only compelling reason to ride with a GoPro.
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    Mountain Lions: Who's seen one?-o5kogx.jpg

    Because this never stops being funny....

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    Death in Oregon attributed to mountain lion.

    https://www.tetongravity.com/story/n...g-oregon-hiker

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    Quote Originally Posted by DIRTJUNKIE View Post
    Stumbled upon this video and thought of this thread.

    A 12 year old dirt biker gets a thrill of a lifetime.

    LOL!! I was watching that a little too close I think. I reacted as if it were me on the bike when the cat appeared!

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