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    Midpen's Bond Issue - Can / Should We Help?

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    As a matter of fact, I DO like increased ranger enforcement. I get annoyed by scofflaws bombing down shared trails. Particular targets of my ire are scofflaws who bomb down shared trails, then blame their victims because the victims should have realized that scofflaws ride on that particular trail.
    What? Victims? What victims?

    The only truly dangerous things on trails are horses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SS Hack View Post
    Hope you like increased ranger enforcement, like we just got in Marin.
    I do not care about enforcement. I care about my tax money being wasted with zero benefit to myself.

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    Here's an important part of the bond measure that's worth reading...

    "Proposition AA was passed under the rules of Proposition 39, which directs that the Board of Trustees appoint an Independent Citizens' Oversight Committee (ICOC) to monitor bond expenditures. This Committee is responsible for providing oversight of the District’s use of Proposition AA bond proceeds and reporting to the Board and public on their findings. Specifically, the ICOC will ensure that all funds are used in support of the projects included in the bond measure and not for unspecified projects, general operating expenses, or teacher salaries. The ICOC will also inspect facilities and grounds, review cost-saving measures, and review the annual independent audits that are required of general obligation bond funds."

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    Scofflaws and their blatant disregard for 15 MPH speed limits!!!
    I'm not sure how this works.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sean SVMTB View Post
    Here's an important part of the bond measure that's worth reading...

    "Proposition AA was passed under the rules of Proposition 39, which directs that the Board of Trustees appoint an Independent Citizens' Oversight Committee (ICOC) to monitor bond expenditures. This Committee is responsible for providing oversight of the District’s use of Proposition AA bond proceeds and reporting to the Board and public on their findings. Specifically, the ICOC will ensure that all funds are used in support of the projects included in the bond measure and not for unspecified projects, general operating expenses, or teacher salaries. The ICOC will also inspect facilities and grounds, review cost-saving measures, and review the annual independent audits that are required of general obligation bond funds."
    lqtm. you either quoted a school board measure or mid pen needs to get better at plagiarizing*. either way nice job doing your homework guys...

    *http://www.sduhsd.net/documents/Depa...2004-22-14.pdf

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    So, who's on the ICOC? And...how has "Proposition AA was passed under the rules of Proposition 39, which directs that the Board of Trustees appoint an Independent Citizens' Oversight Committee (ICOC)" when the voting hasn't even happened yet? Also, it just says they have to use the money for the specified projects. It doesn't say every project has to be funded. What happens if they spend all the money to repave Mt. Umunhum road and then say "oh sorry about that, we can't make any mtb trails for you because the money is all gone".

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    What a coincidence! Maybe they hired the same lawyer : ) Either way, it's a part of the Measure AA. The ICOC will hold the board accountable for their actions, which I know was a concern for a lot of people on this thread.

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    What happens when the ICOC consists of equestrians, sierra clubbers, and previous board members? What can we do to ensure that we have at least one MTB proponent on the ICOC?

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    Midpen's Bond Issue - Can / Should We Help?

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    I do not care about enforcement. I care about my tax money being wasted with zero benefit to myself.
    That's almost the definition of government.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beaverbiker View Post
    What happens when the ICOC consists of equestrians, sierra clubbers, and previous board members?
    It will be business as usual. Foothills pony housewives, Marin hysterical pseudo-environmentalists and ex-bureaucrats. And a token IMBA guy summarily ignored and ready to "be part of the process".

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    It will be business as usual. Foothills pony housewives, Marin hysterical pseudo-environmentalists and ex-bureaucrats. And a token IMBA guy summarily ignored and ready to "be part of the process".
    You mean Peninsula hysterical pseudo-environmentalists. They live in even bigger houses, have larger carbon footprints than some counties in rural America, but drive Teslas to show they care.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SS Hack View Post
    but drive Teslas to show they care.
    Only when they're not driving their F650 with horse trailer up to the new skeggs concrete landing zone instead of riding their horse up the mtn thru wunderlich, huddart, or any of the other horse only parks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by squashyo View Post
    Scofflaws and their blatant disregard for 15 MPH speed limits!!!
    "If speeding is outlawed, only scofflaws will speed." ~ J. Biafra

    "Where's the law, Drew?!" ~ B. Reynolds (or anyone on B. Reynolds)
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    The Board appointing the "independent" committee is an oxymoron. What if the hens were allowed to appoint the foxes to watch over them? They'd appoint compliant vegetarians!

    $300m is way too much with a noncommittal "priorities list." They should be funded like a startup: $10m at a time with very specific milestones, or they find a new gig.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CruzSS View Post
    By voting no you would be saying you don't want more trails or more protected areas above (and in) the Valley. What's to be gained by that?

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    Voting "no" is not a binary decision to say "no more trails". If the measure fails, they can go back and propose a more detailed plan and budget, with lower costs for specific milestones and schedules. Operate it like a start-up, not a cushy bureaucracy that's disconnected from the hand that feeds them. Oh, and put a few pennies towards saving the iconic concrete cube!
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    We have met the enemy and he is us...

    I can't help but read this thread and think of this line from the article below

    "While the sport of mountain biking has many awesome supporters both in industry, clubs and individual volunteers, it has just as many naysayers, and obstructionists. In fact I would venture to say there is more energy spent in getting our own community to work for change than our adversaries. In many cases we are our own worst enemies."

    From: Universal Klister: Farewell Francis Maguire! Franks Last day at IMBA.

    And of course I'll be told that his opinion isn't relevant because he works for the enemy - IMBA

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    Assuming AA passes I encourage you to apply to be on the oversight committee. It would be nice to see a flood of applications from riders.
    It would have been nice to see a flood of riders at the Vision meetings, too. If we had just 10-15 more riders at 2 of the meetings I went to we would have had the majority of participants in the room.
    User groups who show up in numbers at the meetings have more say than those who don't. The hikers and equestrians learned this a long time ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CruzSS View Post
    Assuming AA passes I encourage you to apply to be on the oversight committee. It would be nice to see a flood of applications from riders.
    It would have been nice to see a flood of riders at the Vision meetings, too. If we had just 10-15 more riders at 2 of the meetings I went to we would have had the majority of participants in the room.
    User groups who show up in numbers at the meetings have more say than those who don't. The hikers and equestrians learned this a long time ago.
    Yes! Please post the application link, when the time comes. I went to the "(we don't want to) save the Umunhum cube" meeting and got my first taste of MROSD.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CruzSS View Post
    I can't help but read this thread and think of this line from the article below

    "While the sport of mountain biking has many awesome supporters both in industry, clubs and individual volunteers, it has just as many naysayers, and obstructionists. In fact I would venture to say there is more energy spent in getting our own community to work for change than our adversaries. In many cases we are our own worst enemies."

    From: Universal Klister: Farewell Francis Maguire! Franks Last day at IMBA.

    Dude, we aren't against IMBA. We're against throwing valuable dollars at projects that give us no benefit. It's been that way for a long time so until something changes at a higher level don't be surprised when people aren't willing to open their wallets for a government agency.

    And of course I'll be told that his opinion isn't relevant because he works for the enemy - IMBA
    Dude, we aren't against IMBA. We're against throwing valuable dollars at projects that give us no benefit. It's been that way for a long time so until something changes at a higher level don't be surprised when people aren't willing to open their wallets for a government agency.

    I wonder how much money IMBA has received from Bay Area mountain bikers and how many miles of trail they have single handedly built or acquired access to.

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    No benefit - do you really mean that?
    Have you read this? Top 25 Future Open Space Projects
    There will be more trails for bikers, even bike-specific trails at Skeggs. Rather than blanket dismissal of the Measure I'd like to see the mountain bike community attend the meetings and contribute ideas. This will be especially important if the measure passes and the plans move into the detail phase.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CruzSS View Post
    No benefit - do you really mean that?
    Have you read this? Top 25 Future Open Space Projects
    There will be more trails for bikers, even bike-specific trails at Skeggs. Rather than blanket dismissal of the Measure I'd like to see the mountain bike community attend the meetings and contribute ideas. This will be especially important if the measure passes and the plans move into the detail phase.
    Do you really not understand what we're saying? No one is doubting that they came up with a list of Top 25 Future Open Space Projects...but that's all it really is. Where is the proper oversight? They could easily spend all $300mil on Mt Umunhum road and a couple parking lots.

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    Citizens and their lobbying arms are the oversight - it's sort of how democracy works. Sorry I can't guarantee and outcome for you but let me know where that has happened and we'll follow that model with your help.

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    MROSD is not a democracy.

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    The IMBA comment about working to develop support within our own community is on the money. I have been saying this for years and working much harder locally than IMBA ever has. Many local groups have and IMBA has just recently arrived in the Southland to pick up the pieces of ROMP before it simply evaporated entirely due to local apathy.

    While the Marin Bicycle Trails Council disappeared for similar reasons, A4B represents a grassroots vigor and MCBC a more formalized and civically connected energy. The BTCEB is robust as is the Sonoma group and MBoSC. We all share the conundrum of building the community and getting them to represent. The BTCEB, of the aforementioned, predates IMBA, co-founded IMBA, and have a carried on the fight for 27 years.

    We have learned many things but this is critical to understand:

    These processes will go on with or without us.

    The Measure will pass. The pile of money will appear. Getting our influence near it is the solution. That means we have to show up and be heard and do this for the years to come. Having SVMTB at the tables is a start. With continued work there will be another mtb advocate in that group. It won't happen unless someone takes this first step.

    And, no, we will not get the kinds of things we want for years to come. Yet, if we don't work now it will never happen.
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    I looked at the list and have a couple of comments/questions:

    1) the details for every list item seems to be vague. Building trails at Skegg's. Are there actual details for the proposed trails? Are any of them specific to mt biking?

    2) Introduce grazing. Is this supposed to be good? I thought that cattle grazing was a big environment no-no. Especially when compared to the impact from mt biking. Why should the public back increased grazing?

    3) Since it needs a 2/3 vote do we really think it will pass?
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    @justbob,

    Good questions. I attended 3 of the public meetings and don't recall the increased grazing. That said, the damage created by European animal farming won't be made worse. The non native flora has won. No way to get rid of star thistle, etc. Besides, locally produced cheeseburgers is very American :-)

    Yes, the plans are vague but that is good. We can work with the staff on the details. The public vision process was for high level ideation, not details. No use doing the complicated detail planning until enough people support the concepts.

    Will 2/3rds support it? I have no clue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by justbob View Post
    I looked at the list and have a couple of comments/questions:

    1) the details for every list item seems to be vague. Building trails at Skegg's. Are there actual details for the proposed trails? Are any of them specific to mt biking?

    2) Introduce grazing. Is this supposed to be good? I thought that cattle grazing was a big environment no-no. Especially when compared to the impact from mt biking. Why should the public back increased grazing?

    3) Since it needs a 2/3 vote do we really think it will pass?
    RE #1; If you don't cry at the doctor's office you'll get a lollipop.

    RE #2; Over grazing is a no-no; controlled grazing reduces the fire danger. (but cattle hooves sure can tear up a wet trail) Plus in the MROSD's original mandate they were to maintain a "green-belt" around the urban areas; green-belts are typically regarding agriculture which certainly includes grazing, dairy, etc. I sure wouldn't want to be a farmer with a lease from MROSD! (think of the restrictions)

    RE #3; If I were to make a wager; I'd bet it won't pass.
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    So my take on this:
    1) The plan is clearly an overview with some general direction for each of the 25 projects but it is not a detailed plan. In my somewhat similar profession detailed planning costs between 10-20% of the project cost so it is a pretty big chunk of money. I believe this high cost to create detailed plans is the reason MidPen developed what I will call 'conceptual plans' and will wait for Measure AA approval before doing detailed planning. This detailed planning phase is where it is most important for our community to be involved if AA passes.

    2) I didn't realize this until I got involved but MidPen currently leases to a family business Markegard Family Grass-Fed who are raising cattle near the coast in SM County. It is said to be a sustainable model similar to the 'Grass Farming' method described in the book 'Omnivore's Dilemma'. I believe they offer tours occasionally.

    3) No idea if it will pass

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmpreston View Post
    @justbob,

    Good questions. I attended 3 of the public meetings and don't recall the increased grazing. That said, the damage created by European animal farming won't be made worse. The non native flora has won. No way to get rid of star thistle, etc. Besides, locally produced cheeseburgers is very American :-)

    Yes, the plans are vague but that is good. We can work with the staff on the details. The public vision process was for high level ideation, not details. No use doing the complicated detail planning until enough people support the concepts.

    Will 2/3rds support it? I have no clue.

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    The Mercury News editorial board weighs in .

    Though I do use Mid-Pen lands, since I'm in south SJ, I don't get to vote on the bond measure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by San Jose Mercury News Editorial

    Midpeninsula Open Space bond measure is a great deal

    Posted: 05/19/2014 02:49:57 PM PDT

    From Mount Umunhum and the Sierra Azul preserve in Santa Clara County to Half Moon Bay in San Mateo County, the Midpeninsula Regional Open Space District has preserved nearly 62,000 acres of rural land since 1972.

    Now it has a plan for filling gaps in trail systems, conserving more habitat for wildlife and pursuing other projects that residents and taxpayers have set as priorities. But with just the parcel tax voters approved at its founding, it could accomplish the top 25 projects only slowly and at ever-increasing costs.

    So Midpen is floating its first-ever bond measure to get the work done more quickly, with careful oversight and a gradual borrowing plan to keep interest costs down.

    Measure AA's plan to borrow up to $300 million will cost property owners $1 a year per $100,000 of assessed valuation at the start, rising to a maximum of $3.18 and then declining again. Property values in the district average $700,000, so cost per average home will range from $7 to $21 a year.

    To sum it up:

    Best. Deal. Ever.

    In its early years, Midpen focused more on acquiring land than on opening it to the public. But the district now is seriously working on trails and other public-access projects people expect for the land they own.

    As for outreach to learn what residents want -- we've never seen a more thorough exploration.

    The district held many public meetings, gathered ideas and went back out and tested them again. The consensus was not just for access, although completing trail systems rated high. People also care about cleaner air and water and preserving habitat as well as coastal agriculture. Protecting redwood forests was a priority for a whopping 97 percent. (See details at openspace.org/MeasureAA)

    In San Mateo County, among the 25 projects is completing the Purisima Redwoods-to-the-Sea Trail. In Santa Clara County, public access would be assured for Mount Umunhum, the South Bay's Mount Tamalpais or Mount Diablo equivalent with The Cube, a Cold War military tower, sitting on top.

    Bond measures' benefits nearly always go beyond the people who pay the bills. Whether building schools or fixing roads, they are Californians' go-to source for the capital costs of weaving society together and creating better places. Some pretend to be money for nothing, but this one is exceptionally well planned to keep the overall debt level and interest costs down.

    Measure AA requires a two-thirds vote, which never is easy. But for literally a few dollars a year, district taxpayers can increase the desirability of homes in this region and improve the quality of life for residents and visitors for generations to come. Vote yes on June 3.

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    If the Measure AA batteries fail I won't be bummed.

    Just having a radar gun pointed at me by the MROSD on a weekly basis is enough to turn me against the measure. I hate that, and the ideology behind it.

    There's much more worth complaining about too, but I will leave it there for now.

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    The SJMN article is a #Fail! They imply the $300m will save the Umunhum Cube, which is incorrect. The Umunhum Conservancy is trying to raise $1.2m to save it because MidPen won't. I've donated to the Umunhum Conservancy.

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    Murky News has Alzheimers...

    Quote Originally Posted by karld View Post
    The SJMN article is a #Fail! They imply the $300m will save the Umunhum Cube, which is incorrect. The Umunhum Conservancy is trying to raise $1.2m to save it because MidPen won't. I've donated to the Umunhum Conservancy.
    This is what they reported in their April 24th article:

    "The measure would not pay for restoration of the cube, a former radar tower. In 2012, the district's board of directors gave the tower a temporary stay of demolition, giving supporters five years to raise the $1.2 million needed to stabilize the building. The district also pledged about $400,000 for repairs, a project that is in the planning stages, Abbors said."

    If MidPen's is feeding lies to SJMN's editorial board then what might they be feeding us??? Not implying this is happening, just a hypothetical...
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    The Umunhum Conservancy response to the Murky News. I hope it will get printed. (Sam Drake is a friend, who just bought his first MTB at age 50-something!)

    Mt. Umunhum and Measure AA | Umunhum Conservancy

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    Mt. Umunhum and Measure AA

    On Monday the 19th of May the San Jose Mercury News ran an editorial in which they urged a “yes” vote on Measure AA. Measure AA would allow the Mid-Peninsula Regional Open Space District to borrow up to $300 million, paid for by bonds.

    Measure AA funds would be used for a number of projects which are well documented on Mid-Pen’s web site. One listed project is, as the Mercury News wrote,

    “…public access would be assured for Mount Umunhum, the South Bay’s Mt. Tamalpais or Mt. Diablo equivalent with The Cube, a Cold War military tower, sitting on top.”

    It’s certainly true that Mid-Pen says that Measure AA funds would help enable a number of projects in and around Mt. Umunhum. Unfortunately saving the Radar Tower atop Mt. Umunhum is not one of them.

    In 2012 Mid-Pen’s Board decided that if the Tower was to be preserved, it would need to be funded 100% by private contributions. $1.2 million are required, no later than 2017, to spare the wrecking ball. In 2013 the Mid-Pen Board reiterated that position. Their Board has made it quite clear that if private efforts to raise funds for the Tower fall short – even by a small amount – then the Tower will be demolished.

    The Umunhum Conservancy (Umunhum Conservancy | Dedicated to preserving and restoring Mt. Umunhum and its historic Radar Tower) was founded in 2012 to answer that call, and is engaged in fundraising to preserve the Tower. We would welcome a change of heart by the Mid-Pen Board, but as of now it is quite clear that no Measure AA funds will be used to preserve the Tower.

    The Mercury News is correct, Mt. Umunhum is a jewel, and can indeed be a landmark comparable to Mt. Tamalpais or Mt. Diablo. Both of those mountains have iconic structures at their peak. We hope Mt. Umunhum still does as well, once Measure AA’s funds allow the public to visit.

    …Sam Drake, President, Umunhum Conservanc

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    I'm shocked the Bay Area News Group would ever, ever print bad information ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sorcerer View Post
    If the Measure AA batteries fail I won't be bummed.

    Just having a radar gun pointed at me by the MROSD on a weekly basis is enough to turn me against the measure. I hate that, and the ideology behind it.

    There's much more worth complaining about too, but I will leave it there for now.
    It is hard to describe and quantify the amount of ill will that this creates within the cycling community. It is to the point that when I hear the name mentioned, my stomach turns. It shouldn't be that way, and it is unfortunate that they are the entrenched agency that we're pretty much stuck with.

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    I'm shocked the Bay Area News Group would ever, ever print bad information ...
    A bit of a cheap shot there, SS Hack. I can't speak for the entire BANG, which has been expanding as of late, but as far as Merc is concerned, the quality has been pretty good over the last 20 years, especially given the tough environment that their industry has been facing as of late.

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    It is hard to describe and quantify the amount of ill will that this creates within the cycling community. It is to the point that when I hear the name mentioned, my stomach turns. It shouldn't be that way, and it is unfortunate that they are the entrenched agency that we're pretty much stuck with.



    A bit of a cheap shot there, SS Hack. I can't speak for the entire BANG, which has been expanding as of late, but as far as Merc is concerned, the quality has been pretty good over the last 20 years, especially given the tough environment that their industry has been facing as of late.

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    +1 for what's possible

    A quick note on the eve of tomorrow's election.

    Cynicism, frustration, and resentment about Midpen are completely understandable. We don't have as much access as we'd like; it's easy to take an adversarial stand.

    During their recent planning process Midpen reached out to our community for input. SVMTB responded. After a multi-year gap with limited participation from our community, our SVMTB reps are working to develop something positive and fruitful. If you haven't already, check out the posts from 'Sean SVMTB' and 'Cruz SS' in this thread. They are avid mtn bikers. They want what we want. Their comments come from direct experience interacting with Midpen leaders, formally and informally. In the face of cynicism, etc. - consider supporting the measure and seeing what can be built.

    Land managers, including Midpen, know that our user group continues to grow. That in itself gives us negotiating power. The more we can rally behind our representative advocacy group, the better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lkgeo View Post
    A quick note on the eve of tomorrow's election.

    Cynicism, frustration, and resentment about Midpen are completely understandable.
    personally, i would have said i'm pragmatic not cynical, and perhaps dissatisfied but not particularly frustrated or resentful.


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    If you haven't already, check out the posts from 'Sean SVMTB' and 'Cruz SS' in this thread. They are avid mtn bikers. They want what we want. Their comments come from direct experience interacting with Midpen leaders, formally and informally. In the face of cynicism, etc. - consider supporting the measure and seeing what can be built.
    i did. and i think i get the gist. but frankly when a svmtb rep like Alex retorts with a bogus logical fallacy and Sean inputs something about an Independent Citizens' Oversight Committee safeguarding that our money won't be used for teacher salaries it's hard to put much faith in their capacity. sorry guys, not intended as a personal attack, but it's my sincere hope y'all can do better.

    Quote Originally Posted by lkgeo View Post
    Land managers, including Midpen, know that our user group continues to grow. That in itself gives us negotiating power. The more we can rally behind our representative advocacy group, the better.
    as far as gaining negotiating power, i don't think that's typically done by agreeing to increase the tax burden for you, your neighbors, and the next generation of property owners before a binding arraignment is actually made.

    but again, that's just me. maybe i'm just being too sensible and realistic...

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    The Murky News had this in its Monday the 23rd edition; Measure AA seeks $300M in bonds for open space, trails, forests - San Jose Mercury News I was a bit too swamped with an upcoming weekend project at Coe to then make timely comment here.

    I found it to be rather informative, reminded me about how bonds work which is something I had mostly forgotten since HS civics classes.

    Actually let both the pro/con advocates have their say which was a nice balance to the pro-bond editorials they've been running.

    If true, the bond monies will only go to those 25 projects, not MidPen's day-to-day (like radar guns).

    But still very ill-defined; "shovel ready" projects will be the first to be funded.

    Who decides what's "shovel ready"? Oversight Committee?

    I'll betchya that like always the MidPen bureaucracy and the rubber stamp BOD has already stacked the deck. The tail wags the dog...
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    How ironic...

    Have a look a the photo accompanying this Sf Gate article: Supporters need rally for parks funding measure - Tom Stienstra's Outdoors



    Here's my posted comment:
    "Notice the half green grass/half forested hill in the left of the picture accompanying this article; that's Mindego Hill, part of MidPen's lands. Mountain bikes will never be allowed there due to MidPen's junk science. (Hikers and horses come on up!) And MidPen wants MTBer support? Right some old wrongs and then ask us again."

    I could have also mentioned that the biker in the photo is riding to the side of the trail to avoid a rut indicative of a trail not properly designed or maintained; I'll leave that for somebody else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pliebenberg View Post
    If true, the bond monies will only go to those 25 projects.
    $300M + interest? For that? Until they hire another quack with snake protection theories?

    I hope it failed.

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    The projects were worded in such vague, double-speakish terms I'm not sure what I'm supporting. Yeah, I really do want to support open space, and hiking and biking opportunities and trail maintenance, but I don't care about visitors' centers. cattle grazing, "model" farms, etc. It all seems suspiciously skewed toward AG. I don't want midpen parks to be like east bay parks.
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    MidPen held many public meetings to get input on the goals and objectives. They also had online input process. I encouraged everyone to participate quite strongly on the forum here over the last year or so. Some did. I followed this public input and it was fairly translated into the goals that were set before the board, and now the voters.

    Bikers were slightly less than half of the people at the meetings, and thus our input was mitigated. Still, many pro-biking projects were pushed forward. If anything, MidPen used their bias to push more of the biking projects that didn't make the cut.

    The meetings and literature that was handed out make it clear which projects were bike oriented by the Multi Use Trail emblem with a bike on it, as well as some more description in the summary. Most of the new projects had this, but not all. They also gave a two paragraph description with a summary of each project, with a lot more detail on their thinking at the meetings. I suspect they don't want to go into much more as the details are indeed still dependent on planning. I don't think there's any sinister plan to exclude bikes from what I see.

    The Mindigo Hill decision does look to be an overly conservative conclusion by biologists and staff, but not necessarily anti-bike other than that. I have not been able to get MidPen to explain the decision in more detail past a certain point, with them providing evidence of snake destruction by biking in the area by documented reports, and the federal law demanding zero loss for this ultra-protected snake. They proposed some compensating trails for biking, but I haven't got a response from MidPen on when and where that will occur. That may have been a noble desire stated on their memos, but lost in the implementation.

    So yes, it's a mixed bag. But in the sum, we get a lot more access and a lot more biking trails as a result. Right in the first line of the bond measure, it mentions "access" and "biking". The details were presented to the extent anyone wants to read, and were provided as link is the other long threads on this matter.

    MidPen is in charge and will stay that way. Not voting for this will certainly give us less trails and longer time spans for development. One can whine about not getting everything desired, but they indeed followed input at the public meetings, as they should.
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    Midpen's Bond Issue - Can / Should We Help?

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    But in the sum, we get a lot more access and a lot more biking trails.
    In the last twenty years all we had been getting is less access. I see zero evidence that after the theater of "public input" to drum up more taxes, they will all of a sudden change course. They will just have more money for enforcement, more money to hire sellout environmental "experts", more equestrian parking lots. Why would they do anything differently? Out of good will?

    You really defend Mindego hill?

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    Not buying it. More shitty trails for MP rangers to flex their radar gun muscles. Give us a couple MTB only trail with features, built by MTB riders, then I'll be interested. Yeah, no.
    I'm not sure how this works.

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    Are the election results in already?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JL de Jong View Post
    Are the election results in already?
    With only the mail-in results showing it's barely passing with 67.49%
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    http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_258926...how-open-space trailing slightly

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    Midpen's Bond Issue - Can / Should We Help?

    66.76% in today's newspaper. Dang, should have went to vote NO. Would be annoying if IMBA support is what pushed the last hundred votes needed. Just 50k votes overall.

    They spent a million dollars on a campaign and another million on this fake public input project. How much flow trail at Demo costs?

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