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    Mendocino Wild Wood Enduro Race Course

    Mendocino Wild Wood Enduro Race Course - June 17th


    Please hold off coming here for a few weeks. Trails are soaked! Parallel Trail at the Scales is a real mess. Lots of horse damage. We've been gravel grunting again. This next week could have things dried out enough to begin some serious fun trail riding again. check out the stone work tread on Rd 630. Looks like the Roman Hadrian wall path.

    Because of wet conditions, I'll repost this map in a few weeks.
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    Thanks! Looking forward to this race. At least I have a lot of time to get in shape before then.

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    Was just starting to plan a trip up there in mid-May. Do you think it will be dried up enough by then?
    If white is the "new black", then thanks but I'll stick with the old black...

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    Quote Originally Posted by marinrider View Post
    Was just starting to plan a trip up there in mid-May. Do you think it will be dried up enough by then?
    +1. Manley, steam donkey, big tree, boiler, high chutes, nemo, big river and the in between stuff.. in that order.

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    ... we can only hope!

    Quote Originally Posted by marinrider View Post
    Was just starting to plan a trip up there in mid-May. Do you think it will be dried up enough by then?
    We can only hope for a drying trend. This next week is looking promising. I think you'll be safe to have good riding by mid-May. Right now it's wet as hell. Flagging out an Ultra-Marathon today gave me an idea how damp everything still is.

    Check out this event:

    Scot Nicol from Ibis Cycles will be here hosting about a 100 riders for a four day riding extravaganza - Ibis Migration #3 Mendocino - June 11-14th. All rides will be guided with group size of no more than 8 riders doing all day rides in the Jackson. All riders will stay at the Mendocino Woodlands SP Camp 1. Scrumptious meals will be catered by Karina (best on the coast - her food is not to be missed).

    Ibis Demo van bikes available as part of the cost. If interested go here:

    https://www.ibiscycles.com/buytry/ib...ion_mendocino/

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    Quote Originally Posted by tomikazi View Post
    +1. Manley, steam donkey, big tree, boiler, high chutes, nemo, big river and the in between stuff.. in that order.

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    Big River Trail is closed from the bottom of High Chutes to the Woodlands until June 1 2017. The remediation of the area is critical to the Big River Watershed. Hopefully, the area will be dried out enough by June 1 to resume riding. Until then please do not ride in this specific area.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RooHarris View Post
    Big River Trail is closed from the bottom of High Chutes to the Woodlands until June 1 2017. The remediation of the area is critical to the Big River Watershed. Hopefully, the area will be dried out enough by June 1 to resume riding. Until then please do not ride in this specific area.

    Than you,
    Thanks for the heads up, I'll avoid it.

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    Map for Enduro

    Quote Originally Posted by RooHarris View Post
    Mendocino Wild Wood Enduro Race Course - June 17th


    Please hold off coming here for a few weeks. Trails are soaked! Parallel Trail at the Scales is a real mess. Lots of horse damage. We've been gravel grunting again. This next week could have things dried out enough to begin some serious fun trail riding again. check out the stone work tread on Rd 630. Looks like the Roman Hadrian wall path.

    Because of wet conditions, I'll repost this map in a few weeks.


    This week will see significant drying of the trails. Parallel Trail in Caspar should be avoided for another two weeks. Use Rd 500 to get to EZN. Lots of wet areas on PT with tons of equestrian damage.

    Here's the Wild Wood Enduro Race course map Mendocino Wild Wood Enduro Race Course-mapofcourseflat.jpg( Map revised to show elevation gain of 6,915')

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    Hi Roo,

    I noticed you, or someone else added this event to Trailforks. Have you considered uploading the GPX track and highlighting the stages (they do this for all the Enduro World Series Events). What's great about this option, is that you should be able to load the route in the trail forks app, which would allow for people to pre-ride the trails who may not be familiar with them.

    If you have a GPX of the course, I'd be happy to create the route (and time stages) for you. You can check out the 2015 EWS Whistler Trailforks route here.

    https://www.trailforks.com/route/ews...y-specialized/

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    Question: Will the sport category be riding the full course?

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    Tracks for the Enduro

    Quote Originally Posted by RBoardman View Post
    Question: Will the sport category be riding the full course?
    I have the tracks for the Beginners, Sport and Expert classes.

    Beginners will do four races, Sport five races and Expert six races. Unfortunately, the file are too large to load on this MTBR Thread.

    Email me for the specific track you might want.

    rooharris1946@gmail.com

    Here is the Beginner route map for 4 races:

    Mendocino Wild Wood Enduro Race Course-mapofcourse-beginnersflat.jpg

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    Map for the SPORT Class

    Quote Originally Posted by Haus Boss View Post
    Hi Roo,

    I noticed you, or someone else added this event to Trailforks. Have you considered uploading the GPX track and highlighting the stages (they do this for all the Enduro World Series Events). What's great about this option, is that you should be able to load the route in the trail forks app, which would allow for people to pre-ride the trails who may not be familiar with them.

    If you have a GPX of the course, I'd be happy to create the route (and time stages) for you. You can check out the 2015 EWS Whistler Trailforks route here.

    https://www.trailforks.com/route/ews...y-specialized/

    Email me for tracks at:

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    here is the SPORT Class course map:

    Mendocino Wild Wood Enduro Race Course-mapofcourse-5racesflat.jpg

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    Thank you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RBoardman View Post
    Question: Will the sport category be riding the full course?
    See: Posted GPX tracks for the 3 Race Categories on "Updated Race for Wild Wood Adventure Enduro"

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    Hey Roo,

    I mapped out the expert course in Trailforks, does this look right to you? It looks like HTML code is turned off for the MTBR board, so it won't let me embed. Check out the route/page here:

    https://www.trailforks.com/route/ces...expert-course/

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    can that be correct? 39 miles and 9,700ft???

    That is considerable more than an EWS single day race.

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    Quote Originally Posted by macca208 View Post
    can that be correct? 39 miles and 9,700ft???

    That is considerable more than an EWS single day race.
    Exactly why I was asking! But, upon further review, I think the distance is right. If you look at the expert race map that Roo posted, race stages are approx 10 miles, and transfer stages are 30, so right about 40. I'm not sure how accurate the elevation profile is though, but it's still a grind of at least 7k feet it looks like. That's pretty intense for an enduro race, considering a lot of pros were complaining about the 2014 EWS at Whistler that entailed approx 30 miles of riding and 6.5k in elevation gain (no lifts).

    You can read more about that race here:
    https://www.pinkbike.com/news/the-lo...-whistler.html

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    Rode it today. I did it as an "off" day on my 3 day bikepacking trip to the coast. 40 miles nearly exactly and 6300-6500' of climbing. There are some steep climbs so gear accordingly. I don't know where the stages start and stop but I don't think you're going to spin out, but you may walk a lot if you roll something too big. I rode it all in a 32x42 with 90 miles and 9000' in my legs from yesterday. Need to do the same again tomorrow so I wasn't pushing the pace but it took me a solid 5 hours moving. I saw my lowest gear for some parts of the climbs. I didn't ride the second transfer out of Casper Creek, there was a closed sign on it. I took road 640 which I feel matches up pretty close elevation wise.

    My thoughts:
    Bring the lightest bike you have, preferably with at least some platform or lockout.

    Be careful if you run 800mm or wider bars.

    I predict that the transfers might be the most challenging part of your day.

    Great course, most of the best trails in that part of the woods. When they do one big epic cross country race on it I'm in!



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    Looks good!

    Quote Originally Posted by Sean Allan View Post
    Rode it today. I did it as an "off" day on my 3 day bikepacking trip to the coast. 40 miles nearly exactly and 6300-6500' of climbing. There are some steep climbs so gear accordingly. I don't know where the stages start and stop but I don't think you're going to spin out, but you may walk a lot if you roll something too big. I rode it all in a 32x42 with 90 miles and 9000' in my legs from yesterday. Need to do the same again tomorrow so I wasn't pushing the pace but it took me a solid 5 hours moving. I saw my lowest gear for some parts of the climbs. I didn't ride the second transfer out of Casper Creek, there was a closed sign on it. I took road 640 which I feel matches up pretty close elevation wise.

    My thoughts:
    Bring the lightest bike you have, preferably with at least some platform or lockout.

    Be careful if you run 800mm or wider bars.

    I predict that the transfers might be the most challenging part of your day.

    Great course, most of the best trails in that part of the woods. When they do one big epic cross country race on it I'm in!



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    Sean,
    Great assessment of the course. You are the first to ride that loop in its entirety. Thank you for the update. Rd600 was open this weekend temporarily for the Ibis Migration weekend Scot Nicol held here in the Woodlands. The closure was due to a massive hillside slide.

    Sorry to hear you took Rd 640 out. That is a tortuous route.

    You elevation gain is pretty spot on as is the mileage. You are correct regarding transfer stages - they will punish those who don't embrace the uphill experience. Many pros who were here two years ago are not returning. I believe it is due to the fact that this will be a total bikers test. Downhillers who have been spoiled with some uphill assistance are too soft for this portion of the sport. Personally, I think to make an Enduro a "real" sport the transfer sections be timed as well. Any one can go down hill fast. The real race is won in the climb!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Haus Boss View Post
    Exactly why I was asking! But, upon further review, I think the distance is right. If you look at the expert race map that Roo posted, race stages are approx 10 miles, and transfer stages are 30, so right about 40. I'm not sure how accurate the elevation profile is though, but it's still a grind of at least 7k feet it looks like. That's pretty intense for an enduro race, considering a lot of pros were complaining about the 2014 EWS at Whistler that entailed approx 30 miles of riding and 6.5k in elevation gain (no lifts).

    You can read more about that race here:
    https://www.pinkbike.com/news/the-lo...-whistler.html
    Many of the Pros said they were not returning because the course was not gnarly enough. Ha, right!

    Elevation gain for this one is about 6,700'. Your mileage assessment is spot on, the course is 40.2 miles in length. Two transfer of the 7 sections are at least 7+ miles. The course begins and ends at the Scales. After Purple Skirt, all racers must ascend Rd 600 to the finish. This will be a tough over-all race. Unfortunately, many of those who complain about the climbing, are just soft. This is one of the reason we made all of the Woodlands a "No Parking zone" to avoid pre-race shuttling. I feel if you ride a bike you earn the downhills. Living here on the coast, you embrace and love the climbs as much as you enjoy the downhills. Plus the beer tastes better at the end of the day. All in that order!

    Hey, real bikers don't whine. They just go out and do another loop!

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    Quote Originally Posted by RooHarris View Post
    Many of the Pros said they were not returning because the course was not gnarly enough. Ha, right!

    Unfortunately, many of those who complain about the climbing, are just soft. This is one of the reason we made all of the Woodlands a "No Parking zone" to avoid pre-race shuttling. I feel if you ride a bike you earn the downhills. Living here on the coast, you embrace and love the climbs as much as you enjoy the downhills.
    well now that I know how you really feel I think I'll just sell my entry to some other sucker. my reality is that going up hill is easy, you just have to spend enough time going up hills, its going downhill that requires skill. also enduro racing is supposed to be accessible to a wider audience. xc is falling out of favor because of attitudes like this and the time and effort required to maintain super human levels of fitness. plus the whole idea of "you have to earn it" just bothers me as being so elitist that only people who have dedicated hours and hours to riding up hills should be able to enjoy trails. its your event so its up to you to decide what its going to be like but not following the model used by other enduro races is just going to alienate your audience. I cant really see expecting sport cat racers to do 35 miles and 6000ft of climbing AND pin it on the downhills as a model that has a future.
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    ^^^I agree. If I wanted to race an event that was a true test of rider fitness I would have signed up for a cross country event. In my opinion enduros should be more geared towards a test of a riders skill and ability, and not just to see who can pedal the hardest/longest.

    If only I lived in BC....

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    Yea if the pros aren't coming back it means it sucks. They ride all over and if the pedal is worth it they wouldn't care. Nice attitude for an enduro organizer man. No parking signs for pre shuttle so lame

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    Quote Originally Posted by rox View Post
    well now that I know how you really feel I think I'll just sell my entry to some other sucker. my reality is that going up hill is easy, you just have to spend enough time going up hills, its going downhill that requires skill. also enduro racing is supposed to be accessible to a wider audience. xc is falling out of favor because of attitudes like this and the time and effort required to maintain super human levels of fitness. plus the whole idea of "you have to earn it" just bothers me as being so elitist that only people who have dedicated hours and hours to riding up hills should be able to enjoy trails. its your event so its up to you to decide what its going to be like but not following the model used by other enduro races is just going to alienate your audience. I cant really see expecting sport cat racers to do 35 miles and 6000ft of climbing AND pin it on the downhills as a model that has a future.
    I'm only the mapmaker for this race, but it is what it is. So, whine away...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jcin View Post
    Yea if the pros aren't coming back it means it sucks. They ride all over and if the pedal is worth it they wouldn't care. Nice attitude for an enduro organizer man. No parking signs for pre shuttle so lame
    Obviously, you have never ridden here. Sorry to disappoint you, but shuttling is a real issue/problem when it comes to this race. Plus, there is minimal parking in the Mendocino Woodlands and most is designated for the camping/cabin users only.

    We are not a "Downhill" promoting area. The trails are too fragile for such a discipline. The amount of time going into prepping the trails for this race is in the hundreds of hours. The trails will be torn up enough as it is without shuttle runs. This is an overall race for the condition rider incorporating downhill bike handling skills. If it were an XC type race we would be timing the transfer sections as well.

    Unfortunately, Enduro terminology has gotten a bit distorted since its inception.

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    Is Enduro becoming an entitlement event?

    "you have to earn it" just bothers me as being so elitist

    Oh, that hurts...

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    Sorry to start such a shitstorm. I will say this. The trails are great. Does it compare to China Peak or Ashland? No. Does it take a ton of skill and balls to rail a 12" wide trail at Ewok speed? Hell yeah. Any trail is gnarly and dangerous given enough speed. That being said, I'm glad I got up before the race. The trails were damn near perfect and will likely be a little chopped up afterwards.

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    I believe the original spirit of Enduro was "do the whole ride, only get timed on the descents, drink lots of beer after". Unfortunately, that morphed into something else, kind of a "dh lite", complete with shuttles.

    It seems like as long as I've been riding competitively (25 years) people have been looking for the mountain bike discipline that they could be competitive at with pure skill, without putting in the time and sweat. I'm here to tell you, that doesn't exist. Your average dh pro is faster uphill than you, your average xc pro is faster downhill than you. I can't tell you how many kids, talented kids, I've seen wash out of dh because they weren't willing to train. Ride your bike. Lots. This looks like an amazing event.

    Damn, I sound like a curmudgeon.

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    If anyone wants to sell me their entry, I'd be happy to take it off your hands!
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    6k of climbing is a little excessive for sport-level Enduro racers. But for pro's? Par for the course. Look at the EWS's.

    Come to think of it, all 4 dh's in the SDSF Santa Cruz Enduro probably netted similar el gain. Especially the first year they did it, climbing up from Aptos. And.. come to think of it, the good dh's in Mendo are very similar to SDSF, except more like SDSF was before it was popular.
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    The course is Pro/Expert/Open = 6 Stages, Sport/Beginner = 5 Stages. *

    Quote Originally Posted by shredchic View Post
    6k of climbing is a little excessive for sport-level Enduro racers. But for pro's? Par for the course. Look at the EWS's.

    Come to think of it, all 4 dh's in the SDSF Santa Cruz Enduro probably netted similar el gain. Especially the first year they did it, climbing up from Aptos. And.. come to think of it, the good dh's in Mendo are very similar to SDSF, except more like SDSF was before it was popular.
    Amy is in the final stages of being ready for this event. The decision to go with 5 races for beginners has been made.

    So, the course is Pro/Expert/Open = 6 Stages, Sport/Beginner = 5 Stages.

    Map for 6 Races:

    Mendocino Wild Wood Enduro Race Course-mapofcourseflat.jpg


    Map for 5 Races:

    Mendocino Wild Wood Enduro Race Course-mapofcourse-5racesflat.jpg
    *

    We, the behind the scene Steam Donkeys,

    Mendocino Wild Wood Enduro Race Course-donkey13.jpg

    have spent countless hours preparing all the trails for this year's Enduro event. 1100+ hours alone, have gone into our newest trail - Rd 630 - Sweet Pea . This 4.92 mile single track will be part of the 2nd transfer from the bottom of EZN to Rd 408 to the start of Stage 2 at the top of Forest History trail. Here the race will incorporate Manly Gulch for an exciting, screaming fast descent into the Mendocino Woodlands SP.

    By the sounds of some of the complaining here, race tickets could be available. PM "rox" above. It was never our intention to massacre anyone with this race, but to give each racer a real bang for the buck while riding in one of the greatest undiscovered places in western NA.

    My understanding of what the true essence of an Enduro use to be was well explained by TJP above. Thank you for speaking up.

    There will be no podium places for whining, only for those who show what it takes to really ride a bike... Up and down!

    ...and if anyone still have some legs, there will be a guided ride (June 18th) from Gibney Lane to the Comptche Father's Day BBQ. This is a 30+ mile ride through a working forest to one of the sweetest BBQs on the North Coast. If coming, plan on getting yourself a shuttle ride back from the barbeque. The beer along with endless homemade pie is hard to turn down!

    Mendocino Wild Wood Enduro Race Course-2016fathersdayride.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by tjp View Post

    Damn, I sound like a curmudgeon.
    ...more like a pragmatist who likes to ride a bike!

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    NM found the answer myself
    Redding Trail Alliance - www.reddingtrailalliance.org

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    Roo, the race sounds amazing! Massive respect for all the trailwork you guys have put in.

    Rox & Roo both made me start thinking about what elitism in our sport means to different people, and I started thinking about the TDS Enduro. But I figured I'd put it on my own blog, instead. https://shredchicswords.wordpress.co...6/enduro-brah/ . Carry on!
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    [QUOTE=shredchic;13170274]Roo, the race sounds amazing! Massive respect for all the trailwork you guys have put in.QUOTE]

    Thank you!

    Or maybe*we just want to enjoy riding our*bikes outside, stepping away from the*online growling pit, recharging in nature, testing the limits of our fitness and bike skills.*We just*ride bikes, and the mystical physics of bikes and knobby tires crunching on dirt make us happy.

    AMEN!

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    Hard to make everyone happy that's for sure! Seems like an awesome event.

    I wont be making the event but definitely getting out there this summer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rox View Post
    well now that I know how you really feel I think I'll just sell my entry to some other sucker. my reality is that going up hill is easy, you just have to spend enough time going up hills, its going downhill that requires skill. also enduro racing is supposed to be accessible to a wider audience. xc is falling out of favor because of attitudes like this and the time and effort required to maintain super human levels of fitness. plus the whole idea of "you have to earn it" just bothers me as being so elitist that only people who have dedicated hours and hours to riding up hills should be able to enjoy trails. its your event so its up to you to decide what its going to be like but not following the model used by other enduro races is just going to alienate your audience. I cant really see expecting sport cat racers to do 35 miles and 6000ft of climbing AND pin it on the downhills as a model that has a future.
    Try north star or downieville..... you can shuttle all day. There is nothing wrong with respecting this course, its fragile!!!!

    So you call bikers that climb elitist! wow I would call them minimalist!
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    Just an update. After loading the day into Garmin, the elevation gain came out to 7,600'. Not sure if it's a Garmin thing or not, but Strava says pretty much the same. This is for the Pro/Expert course.

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    Gonna be a big day and pretty long if it took you solid 5 hours rolling. Hope there is minimal wait times.

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    2nd transfer

    Quote Originally Posted by bob-o View Post
    Gonna be a big day and pretty long if it took you solid 5 hours rolling. Hope there is minimal wait times.
    The second transfer is 7+ miles mostly uphill. This should open up the field. Manly Gulch is the next race course section. The wait should be minimal.

    While working the first Enduro, wait times at our post at the top of Steam Donkey were approx. 5 to 10 minutes. If unfamiliar with the course, this subsequent race section - Motorcycle is the fastest (speed wise) downhill run in the entire Enduro. Some Pros were hitting 42 MPH between the two redwoods near the bottom.

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