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    Good job! Lemurian registration is open!

    Saturday, April 28th marks the 20th running of the Lemurian, and the third year at Whiskeytown. I could be wrong, but I think that makes Lemurian the longest running mtn bike race in the country. The Lemurian is a tough race from both physical and technical skills standpoints. Like the Downievill Classic, fitness alone won't win this race. Superior bike handling skills are required to negotiate the many rock gardens, chutes and drops.

    If you haven't heard about the Lemurian and are curious, follow the links below for writeups of last year's race.


    Chris from SFist: http://www.sfist.com/archives/2006/0...n_the_pain.php

    Team Motion Based pro rider Olivier Bock's writeup: http://team.motionbased.com/blog/200...5th-place-pro/

    Merlin's race report: Shasta Lemurian Race Report:ouch!

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    Are you limiting ridership?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brezzy
    Are you limiting ridership?
    The terms of our Whiskeytown permit say we have a 400 rider cap, however that's never been an issue. Last year we had just over 300. And we don't have the big corporate expo gig like some races, Lemurian is grass roots mtn bike racing at its best. And the consumption of post race adult beverages is allowed and even encouraged!
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    Here's a good pic of Mark Weir, 6th last year, railing the Ice Box section.
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    Hey Lemurian Guy - I am soooo stoked to do this race again! This will be my 3rd year in a row. The course is awesome, the people & venue are great. Truely a classic. I have only one complaint..... for the last 2 years, the T-Shirts were....uhhhh..... lets just say that after coming home, my wife pulled the T outta my bag, gave me this look, and without a word tossed it right in the rag bin..... and I didn't complain..... Could you just make 'em white or gray or something kinda normal. Or, at least post a pic before we all order 'em in advance. No offense, I LOVE Lemurian!

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    Quote Originally Posted by marinrider
    Hey Lemurian Guy - I am soooo stoked to do this race again! This will be my 3rd year in a row. The course is awesome, the people & venue are great. Truely a classic. I have only one complaint..... for the last 2 years, the T-Shirts were....uhhhh..... lets just say that after coming home, my wife pulled the T outta my bag, gave me this look, and without a word tossed it right in the rag bin..... and I didn't complain..... Could you just make 'em white or gray or something kinda normal. Or, at least post a pic before we all order 'em in advance. No offense, I LOVE Lemurian!
    Sorry about the t-shrts, but I'm glad you like the course. You're the first person I've heard of who (or your wife is) didn't like the past 2 year's shirts. Most people really, really liked the '05 black one with the blue art deco bike logo. And last year's shirt had my current chain ring avatar as the logo, which I thought was cool, with a teal blue shirt (maybe not so cool). I guess that's why they have 31 flavors at B & R.

    My advice to you is not to preorder a shirt this year as we're going for another art deco/modern art type of look. The final design isn't quite finished yet, but I know it will be a teal blue logo on a charcoal shirt. The logo is a mtn biker crossed up while jumping, side view. When the logo is done we'll post it on the website and I'll use it as an avatar. We'll have some shirts available for purchase on race day.

    Do you ride long course? I'm going to Whiskeytown tomorrow to do some "course research" for a potential addition to the long course for 2008. I've got an additional loop in mind immediately after the Couch that's 4-5 miles long, adds maybe 800 ft of elevation gain, and is 100% singletrack. My concern is that adding another climb would make the already difficult long course way too hard. Of course if everyone knew about the added distance beforehand, they could save some energy for the end. I want feedback from riders before I make the decision, so any input is appreciated. Merlin, I'd like to hear your opinion when you get a chance.
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    Long course for sure baby! This year I plan on doin' it on my SS, though that first climb is gonna be a b!tch! Anyway, more singletrack is always more better.... You could add another category, "Longer Course" or "Really Long Course"......

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    Long Course on a SS!

    I can't ride all of the first climb on my SS either, and top of the Couch usually sees me pushing too. I was thinking of naming the extra loop after 2x winner Tim Olson, he doesn't even seem to notice when the trail turns up!
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    Quote Originally Posted by LemurianGuy
    I can't ride all of the first climb on my SS either, and top of the Couch usually sees me pushing too. I was thinking of naming the extra loop after 2x winner Tim Olson, he doesn't even seem to notice when the trail turns up!
    I would love a longer route, folks like Merlin will certainly hand me my arse on a platter no matter how many miles it is so the longer the better Then I've never done the race so what do I know. Not registered yet, discussing with the boss first.

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    Ron Ron Ron. What are we going to do with you.

    Making people going up the Chimney after coming off the couch would be about the most evil thing you could do. Sounds like a perfect thing for the lemurian

    But seriously. I know I would have a hell of a time with it. Last year I suffered from cramps. But I guess that just means I have to train harder. The added downhill is probably the most fun section, so I am sure if people don't die, then they will be thanking you for it after.

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    Ron, you only get credit for what, 4 years, it doesn't count if you take a year off to procreate! You can come on down to the Cool Mountain Bike Race in March, 15 years solid this year, I think we may get the lead as longest continuous!
    Gonna get some 24 hour races out of the way early this year so we can come up and do your race, might even dust off the tandem! The Lemurian is a great race folks, do it!

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    I don't know all the names for the trails, but do you mean after finishing the Couch (Salt Gulch?) then you would head uphill on Rich Gulch and then down Brandy Creek to the finish? I've never ridden it that direction, but it's probably adding another 10-15 minutes to the course at least. We called that trail "Ripping Singletrack Action." A couple of months ago I rode up there with Aren Timmel and Mike Andres and a couple of other guys and we climbed up the trail toward Brandy Creek Falls, then right before the falls we took a left up some switchbacks and down Rich Gulch I think it was. Super fun. Then we made the mistake of riding UP the Couch, then up to Kanaka peak. Lots of steep climbing. Definitely better in the downhill direction! Maybe tomorrow I'll head up there and scout that extra loop to see what I think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Digginit
    I don't know all the names for the trails, but do you mean after finishing the Couch (Salt Gulch?) then you would head uphill on Rich Gulch and then down Brandy Creek to the finish? .
    Yep, that's exactly the proposed new section. I've ridden it in that direction only once, before the new switchback trail was finished. I'll be out there tomorrow afternoon, we're starting around 12:45, maybe we'll run into each other.

    Its too late to change the entry forms, maps, etc for this year, so perhaps in 2008. Just so you know, MIKE SIMPSON strongly suggested this addition. Feel free to heap verbal abuse on him next time you see him. I'd written this idea off a couple of years ago after being convinced the course is hard enough as is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sean Allan
    Ron, you only get credit for what, 4 years, it doesn't count if you take a year off to procreate! You can come on down to the Cool Mountain Bike Race in March, 15 years solid this year, I think we may get the lead as longest continuous!
    Gonna get some 24 hour races out of the way early this year so we can come up and do your race, might even dust off the tandem! The Lemurian is a great race folks, do it!
    Sean I was ready to race at Cool last year, I even spent the night before in Auburn. But I wimped out and headed for home when I saw all that fresh snow. Maybe I'll give a try this year since you're predicting temps in the high 70's!

    Love to see you at Lemurian again, your tandem ride down the old Lemurian Chute is legendary!
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    Quote Originally Posted by 0gre
    I would love a longer route, folks like Merlin will certainly hand me my arse on a platter no matter how many miles it is so the longer the better Then I've never done the race so what do I know. Not registered yet, discussing with the boss first.
    I think you'll find the current version of the course pretty challenging. And it would be a nice intro to Whiskeytown, since I don't think you've ridden there before, right? Maybe Chum, Rensho, and crew would be interested too? The rest of the Redding crew will be here, and maybe Chris too, so it could be an MBO reunion/preview!
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    Can't promise anyone else

    Quote Originally Posted by LemurianGuy
    I think you'll find the current version of the course pretty challenging. And it would be a nice intro to Whiskeytown, since I don't think you've ridden there before, right? Maybe Chum, Rensho, and crew would be interested too? The rest of the Redding crew will be here, and maybe Chris too, so it could be an MBO reunion/preview!
    ... Char and I are going to be there. I don't know about anyone else. Most likely it'll be Air Ogre just like at MBO so if anyone from the East Bay or Sac is interested in catching a ride let me know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki
    Making people going up the Chimney after coming off the couch would be about the most evil thing you could do. Sounds like a perfect thing for the lemurian

    But seriously. I know I would have a hell of a time with it. Last year I suffered from cramps. But I guess that just means I have to train harder. The added downhill is probably the most fun section, so I am sure if people don't die, then they will be thanking you for it after.

    Nate
    I rode the intermediate course plus Chimney backwards yesterday. Here's the scoop: the lower half mile is rideable, but really steep and particuarly heinous after climbing over the Couch. Then its 1.5 mi of fun, rolling uphill, singletrack. It took us 25 minutes to top out at the 2 mile point, so I figure the pros could probably ride in 15 min. So far so good! But the payoff isn't there in that the downhill switchback section is steep enough that you have no choice but to skid your back tire much of the way. Then you ride down the Brandy Cr Falls trail which is a fast, wide open freeway with nothing interesting or fun. So I'm giving that idea the thumbs down

    Nate, how about hanging a left at the bottom of Buck Hollow, just after the last creek and following the creek/trail up and tying into the lower section of Mule Mtn? I haven't been that way for a while, but remember it being pretty rocky and wet. What do you think?
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    Oh...

    Quote Originally Posted by 0gre
    ... Char and I are going to be there. I don't know about anyone else. Most likely it'll be Air Ogre just like at MBO so if anyone from the East Bay or Sac is interested in catching a ride let me know.
    Incidentally I must be fashion blind because I think the Lemurian shirt you gave me at MBO is cool. The Blue is a nice departure from the blah white/ tricolor prints you get at avery other event. Wearing it right now

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    Quote Originally Posted by LemurianGuy
    Do you ride long course? I'm going to Whiskeytown tomorrow to do some "course research" for a potential addition to the long course for 2008. I've got an additional loop in mind immediately after the Couch that's 4-5 miles long, adds maybe 800 ft of elevation gain, and is 100% singletrack. My concern is that adding another climb would make the already difficult long course way too hard. Of course if everyone knew about the added distance beforehand, they could save some energy for the end. I want feedback from riders before I make the decision, so any input is appreciated. Merlin, I'd like to hear your opinion when you get a chance.
    Another 800 ft of climbing
    According to my Polar there was 4200 feet of climbing in last years long course, so that would be 5k. Thats a lot of climbing and much harder climbing then sea otter. Sounds good to me But, if I was putting on the race I would be concerned that it may be getting to hard. This may add another 1/2 hour or so to race times, and it's already the longest race with the exception of Sea Otter. Either way I'll be there
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    5,000 feet?

    The original course (may the flume rest in peace...) was a 7,000 foot day, wasn't it? Longer. Harder. Bigger.

    Great race and great course, no matter how you slice it. The Humboldt contingent is prepared.

    And anything Mike likes is OK with me.

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    Another tough section

    That would add about 450' or so of climbing (all good climbing, no hike-a-bikes), and the downhill is steep, then supper rocky, and your ridding through a stream a good portion of the time. I personally love that section because it offers one of the few good rock gardens around. But I'm not sure how popular it would be to others.

    It's a bummer you can't send people up the chimney, the normal way, then maybe just cut out the upper ice box trail. But that would have long course riders going both ways on a portion of the road.

    But in all honesty, the race is pretty darn brutal as is. But maybe little whiny boy in me that can still remember the pain of last years race.

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    do most people ride a hardtail or full suspension bike for this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by datenschwanz
    do most people ride a hardtail or full suspension bike for this?
    Most people ride the bike they're most comfortable on. Generally I'd say that's a full boinger.
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    how technical are the descents? i've not ridden at whiskeytown before. if you had to compare it to say, tahoe or santa cruz trails can you make any decent comparisons?

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    Quote Originally Posted by datenschwanz
    how technical are the descents? i've not ridden at whiskeytown before. if you had to compare it to say, tahoe or santa cruz trails can you make any decent comparisons?
    The course has everything from buff singletrack to gnarly rock gardens. Its more rugged than say Skeggs, but less rugged than Downieville. Couch is the biggest descent and its very steep and mostly smooth. The Icebox descent is rocky in spots but manageable. Regardless of which bike you ride, you'll want the other at times. Last year I rode the course numerous times without problem on my hardtail 29er. Saturday I rode my full sussy 29er and liked it. I'm pretty sure you're gonna want disc brakes on the Couch, maybe that'll help you decide?

    FWIW last year Merlin rode his Blur rather than his hardtail. We'll be doing some prerides, almost certainly one will be Easter weekend, perhaps you can join us sometime?
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    29er full suspension?

    What kind did you get?

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    I bought a meduim Asylum frame on ebay, added a Reba set at 100mm, XO shifters, avid mech brakes, xt hubs, Salsa X nondisc rims, Exi's with Stans. Haven't weighed it, but am guessing around 28lbs. I love it, it climbs pretty well and totally eats bumps on downhills! And I thought I was done with full boingers!
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    Ron, how brutal is the course. I don't know any of those names, and can't decipher.

    I said I wasn't going to race this yr, but maybe i can go up and ride(with a number).

    When you say steep downhill, am I walking?

    I'll be on my rigid SS Niner. Is that going to be comedic? I don't fit on an Asylum, so I curse you for being taller than me.
    I do have a 1x9 Niner that has a Reba if you feel that would really benefit.

    Any race that Weir places only 6th is an interesting one to me.

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    Ron, do you have a lifetime supply of Exis? Why those tires? Only terrain I've heard they're good for is snow!

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    Quote Originally Posted by rensho
    Ron, how brutal is the course. I don't know any of those names, and can't decipher.

    I said I wasn't going to race this yr, but maybe i can go up and ride(with a number).

    When you say steep downhill, am I walking?

    I'll be on my rigid SS Niner. Is that going to be comedic? I don't fit on an Asylum, so I curse you for being taller than me.
    I do have a 1x9 Niner that has a Reba if you feel that would really benefit.

    Any race that Weir places only 6th is an interesting one to me.
    If I was racing Lemurian I'd do it on my hardtail. The "brutal" part of the course is the climbing. 4200 ft of vertical isn't that much when you're jammin along in the middle ring on a fire road. But when some of it is in granny gear on steep singletrack it tends to take its toll. The "big climb", about 5 miles worth, starts halfway into the race around mile 12 after you've survived tough 1.5 mile and .5 mile grinds and a bunch of rollers. And it gets steeper and tougher towards the top. But there's a big payback for all the climbing! The Couch is steep and narrow in spots, but pretty smooth and fast. If you keep your weight back some and go easy on the front brake its pretty manageable. The guy below is riding the so called "Trench of Terror" section . You can see that as long as you follow the line and stay out of the ditch you're fine. Next comes the Ice Box, which is a fun singletrack that follows Brandy Cr down to the lake. Towards the beginning of Ice Box is particuarly nasty little fire road, maybe only .3 miles, but its steep enough to make you dig deep in order to keep your pace up.

    Thom you'd have no problem on your rigid ss. Loki (Nate) rode a rigid ss and finished well under 3 hrs...amazing!
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    Quote Originally Posted by rensho
    Ron, do you have a lifetime supply of Exis? Why those tires? Only terrain I've heard they're good for is snow!
    Whiskeytown's soil is mostly decomposed granite. I think the Exi's work really well in that type of dirt, wet or dry. I recently learned that Exi's SUCK in sticky mud and would welcome your suggestions. I don't think I can fit anything wider in the rear on the Asylum, but the Voodoo ht has plenty of room.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LemurianGuy
    Whiskeytown's soil is mostly decomposed granite. I think the Exi's work really well in that type of dirt, wet or dry. I recently learned that Exi's SUCK in sticky mud and would welcome your suggestions. I don't think I can fit anything wider in the rear on the Asylum, but the Voodoo ht has plenty of room.
    For the front, you might try the Nevegal. It is soft and sticky, and doesn't let go like the Exi does.

    The rear, the klaw has a great rep for mud. I don't have first hand experience on that one.

    The Exi certainly is the hardest and lasts the longest.

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    World of difference.

    I know you have a stock of exis you need to use. But I'll tell you, if I had 5 brand new exi's, I would trade them all for one Rampage. And I've heard that the nevegal is even a little better (grip wise). They have some nevegals down at Chain Gang. I am running a continental vapor for a rear tire in the mud. The tire is small volume wise, but it seems to hook up in the soupy mud we have had lately, and it sheds it really well.

    As for running a fully rigid single speed. I was in pure pain on the couch descent, I am not sure if that hurt worse, or the cramping I had climbing up that last section of fire road. But I'm going to be back out there again this year with the same set up, so it couldn't have been that bad right??

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    Quote Originally Posted by LemurianGuy

    FWIW last year Merlin rode his Blur rather than his hardtail.
    I like my Blur XC so much that I don't own a Hardtail anymore Except my SS..
    This is a FS course for sure and don;t use super light tires or you may flat. I was happy with Pannaracer Fire XC's last year
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    is the course open to riding now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by datenschwanz
    is the course open to riding now?
    The course is open year round, its 100% within the boundaries of Whiskeytown NRA. Give me a shout if you're coming this way, you'll need some tips with route finding as the maps of the area are inadequate.
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    No prob for you rensho

    Quote Originally Posted by rensho
    Ron, how brutal is the course. I don't know any of those names, and can't decipher.

    I said I wasn't going to race this yr, but maybe i can go up and ride(with a number).

    When you say steep downhill, am I walking?

    I'll be on my rigid SS Niner. Is that going to be comedic? I don't fit on an Asylum, so I curse you for being taller than me.
    I do have a 1x9 Niner that has a Reba if you feel that would really benefit.

    Any race that Weir places only 6th is an interesting one to me.
    I missed out last year, but if my memory serves me well, '05 I got passed by several SS'rs up and down. You'd probably have to use 32/19-20 for this course. There's a road section that you might spin a little on, after the first ascent I think. Other then that the SSNiner will shine.

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    CChhhhaaa-ching

    you can count me in on this one. the Couch of Death, the Trench of Terror, damn, it's gonna hurt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LemurianGuy
    how about hanging a left at the bottom of Buck Hollow, just after the last creek and following the creek/trail up and tying into the lower section of Mule Mtn? I haven't been that way for a while, but remember it being pretty rocky and wet. What do you think?
    Ugh. If it's wet that section would suck. Nothing like stumbling up wet rocks against the current. And I'm sure Whiskeytown would love it if you sent 300 racers up that stream in spring. You might as well set up a sluice just to the right of the trail crossing and see if you get any gold washing downstream.

    Adding the extra Chimney section to the long course would at least make the medium course more medium in comparison!

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    Salt Creek Trail

    I rode that trail yesterday, pretty sure its called Salt Cr. trail. It wasn't too bad, but then it hasn't rained for a month. Its seen a fair amount of horse traffic, so when it rains it not gonna be gold that washs down stream. If it doesn't rain much before race day, its not a bad option even though there are 2 hike-a-bike sections. There's a big payoff in that the single track downhill on the lower Mule Mtn trail is really fun! I'm open to suggestions on how to make the long course a few miles longer, but I can't think of any options that would be fun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LemurianGuy
    I rode that trail yesterday, pretty sure its called Salt Cr. trail. It wasn't too bad, but then it hasn't rained for a month. Its seen a fair amount of horse traffic, so when it rains it not gonna be gold that washs down stream. If it doesn't rain much before race day, its not a bad option even though there are 2 hike-a-bike sections. There's a big payoff in that the single track downhill on the lower Mule Mtn trail is really fun!
    Yeah, the singletrack back down is really good. If it stays dry that could be a nice addition for the long course.

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    ohhhh

    you meant go up salt creek. Yuck on the way up. But fun on the way down.

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    New Bridge at Whiskeytown

    Because we had a well attended race last year, the Lemurian was able to donate $2,500 to Whiskeytown. This money was used to construct a bridge ON THE COURSE at a spot on the Ice Box where a dismount was required last year. Thanks to everyone who rode Lemurian last year. We're hoping to make a similar donation this year to improve the riding at Whiskeytown.
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    Nice bridge LG! I think I remember where that was. Though I remember another dismount through a big creek crossing where a bridge might be nice too. I've only ridden the course twice so I don't know all the trail names so well, but I remember bombing down some sweet singletrack and having to screach to a halt, dismount, cross some big drop down into a creek. Then I think we hit a short steep FR climb where I cramped severely..... Maybe if you get a good turnout again this year, that could be the next bridge....

    I'm all registered and ready to race (well except for the fitness....) Anyway, I'm looking forward to it. I think of this event as one of the highlights of my season

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    Quote Originally Posted by marinrider
    I remember bombing down some sweet singletrack and having to screach to a halt, dismount, cross some big drop down into a creek. Then I think we hit a short steep FR climb where I cramped severely..... Maybe if you get a good turnout again this year, that could be the next bridge....

    I'm all registered and ready to race (well except for the fitness....) Anyway, I'm looking forward to it. I think of this event as one of the highlights of my season
    I think that's a good candidate for the next bridge. The Park Service is very open to suggestions which is amazing for a government agency! Thanks for the kudos Marinrider, hope you have a great race!
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    Lemurian Update

    With the race only 10 days away its time for an update. I rode the course yesterday and can report that its in excellent condition. Well, truthfully yesterday it was a bit drier than I'd like to see. I think Whiskeytown rides best when its has rained the previous day. So the forecast for light rain the next couple of days is very welcome! For next week the long range forecast is calling for partly cloudy with highs in the mid 80's, it looks like the weather may be ideal if a little warm.

    The lines on the Couch are setting up very well. There are even multiple lines developing in the scariest places. I got pushed into the so called Trench of Terror yesterday, which usually requires a dismount, however I rode the rut and exited the bottom with no problem. I tried again to take pics, but even at high noon its too shaded for my meager camera.

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    2007 T-Shirt

    The t-shirts are done and once again I think they're pretty cool. Marinrider your wife will hate this one too , but I think everyone else will be pleased!

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    I just sent in my registration!
    Any suggestions for a nice hotel?
    Anyone want to share a room?
    Ride to eat, Eat to ride.

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